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measured, you know, you want cream and sugar with that? that's pretty cool. donald trump is moving along. see you tomorrow. hello, i'm eric bolling along with jed deya biela. donald trump and hillary clinton are now closing in on the magic numbers to clinch their nominations. both are less than 100 delegates away. more election news in a minute including breaking trump news today. and breaking sanders news. sanders just agreed to do a fox news debate. but will hillary clinton follow suit? we'll be here for another 59 minutes in case she wants to call in. we challenge her, will you come to that debate. first out to silicon valley where mark zuckerberg is holding the damage control meeting with conservatives about a half-hour
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from now. at facebook, for alleged political bias following accusation it suppresses conservative stories in its trending news feed. our very own dana perino will be at that meeting. and she joins us now from outside facebook's headquarters in menlo park, california. dana, are you ready for the big smackdown? are you going to take him? shake him and say mark, conservatives matter, too! conservative lives matter, too! >> i was thinking of a hash tag i could work on like perino atomic elbow or something like that. i have one. believe it or not. i wish you guys were here. because it is really interesting to get out of you know our new york bubble. our washington, d.c. bubble and to come out here to a different bubble. really. and to have, have a chance to be at this meeting. i'll be back in new york tomorrow. i'll report all about it i'll be on the kelly file later tonight. people are gathering, we're going to go there in just about 25 minutes. and so i go in with an open mind.
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i'm pretty curious about a couple of things. one certainly about how the technology works and how the, how the algorithm gets put together so you have the news trend feed. the other thing i've learned in the interaction we've had about the story, is there's some frustration about facebook, not necessarily about news trends. and the conservatives have some sort of natural anxiety about being suppressed in terms of thought or news. and that social media, which was a great boon to conservatives, you could speak direct to people. when facebook decided to get into the news business, it opened itself to this kind of criticism. so i think that this meeting is at least their attempt to get in front of it in some way. >> dana, we're going to bring it around the table. one quick question. some of the criticism that's been levied as to, to the group that zuckerberg brought is that it tends to, it looked like it tended to be an anti-trump crowd are there, is the full spectrum of conservatism represented there today?
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>> well, i think that even if when, i think they have 12 people coming. even within those 12, i don't know if they would encompass all the different types of conservatism. conservatism right now is a pretty big tent. when it comes to donald trump, you know, barry bennett who had been on the ben carson campaign and done well for ben carson then joined the trump campaign and he is here and he was quoted in a "new york times" this morning saying he was looking forward to the meeting. he thought they had been very responsive. and so he'll be here as well as i saw arthur brooks and i know s.e. cupp will be here and i'll report all that i can tomorrow. but i think leading into it. i have to go into it with an open mind. i don't have high expectations or low expectations. i just have a lot of curiosity. both about the policy and the content and then just bigger picture moving forward. if facebook's mission is to be inexclusive. now it's such a huge company with so much power. the choice is facebook's, how do
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you use that inclusivity. if we're going to continue to do more on the news side of things, we have to be aware that conservatives have a natural suspicion when it comes to suppression of their ideas or story lines, et cetera. >> we'll bring it around. jedadia. >> when the story broke there seemed to be swift action on the part of facebook. >> can i hear you? >> do we have you? all right. then. >> we'll get her back. >> let's talk about what is going on with what dana just said. go ahead, maggie, you want to weigh? >> i read a poll that said 68% of republicans now have an unfavorable view. 68% drop of facebook. and when you have a pr disaster like this, which i think at this point you can call it a pr disaster. they're not calling in dana perino if it isn't. how do you possibly regain that trust? i don't like mark zuckerberg.
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i don't like facebook. i haven't trusted them since 2008 the rnc when they. how -- >> don't you think by doing exactly what he's doing, bringing dana perino in, s.e. cupp, megan makes a good point, how do you, the facebook regain your trust? what would you need to hear? >> you're asking me, right? >> yes. >> now i can hear you. so a couple of things, first of all facebook says that this is not their policy. and it doesn't make sense for it to be their policy. because it doesn't make business sense to cut off sort of half the country from trusting you. the second thing is, they have people here that are going to show us the algorithm. how it's put together. eric you brought up a good point. talking about what is the difference between algorithms when it comes to different soesh media platforms, twitter and facebook. different audiences, what is the difference when it comes to the
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news trends? and here's the other thing. i'm a big proponent of getting face to face with people to have a conversation. if you have a concern or a controversy. it makes communication a lot easier. so that's really kind of the first step to building and keeping trust. is actually having a relationship with people. i don't make it out to silicon valley very often. i've never met mark zuckerberg, he might not even know who i am. but having a meeting like this along with all the other people assembled here and maybe they'll have more in the future with other people. that's the first step to building trust that trust builds up over years, but it takes only a minute or two to destroy it. >> zuckerberg himself has been very politically outspoken. climate change, immigration. numerous issues he's been very outspoken on. do you think that was a mistake now? do you think he regrets that looking back? and maybe that's part of when people look at facebook and what's going on. they may look at the story through that lens? >> so i think that there is a separation that you can do in
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your mind in terms of politics and business. your personal philosophy and your business. the problem i think for him is that he's been so public. but he does have to understand that that could bleed over, into a story like this. when conservatives are concerned there's been suppression of their viewpoints or their news storiesth and they've seen the speeches that he's given and the donations and such like that of other people around facebook. it does make you wonder what's happening. so this could be a lesson for them as well. that if you're going to have a ceo that's this powerful and this public. that you don't run a risk that your personal viewpoints are going to bleed over into the business. >> juan? >> dana, one of the things that strikes me in terms of the politics is the joe kaplan, a well known republican who clerked for justice scalia, works for mark zuckerberg and facebook in d.c. do you know mr. kaplan? and do you trust him?
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to help repair this damage? because part of his work in d.c. is to lobby conservatives to get them involved with facebook. i think rick scott, ben carson have all used facebook to their advantage in terms of their conservative campaigns. >> well, and not only that. but he has a responsibility of dealing with the federal government. when it comes to law enforcement or c.i.a. intelligence issues, we've talked about that on the show before and how does silicon valley strike that balance and work appropriately with law enforcement when it needs to. i also think that a lot of those campaigns like ben carson's campaign for example, really was fuelled by its ability to utilize facebook. share content with voters or potential voters. and remember all of those donations, he ran successful campaigns, interestingly, barry bennett. who is going to be here at this meeting for donald trump's team, he was on.
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>> i think that this concern about suppression of news stories when it comes to conservatives, ran the risk of upsetting some of those good partnerships. i will also leave with you this one. two weeks ago facebook was pressured to withdraw from the republican convention by leftist groups and facebook said no. we are dentally going to go to the republican convention. and the democratic convention, but they weren't intimidated to leaving the cleveland party that they're going to be throwing. and the partnerships, the technology that they do. >> tom shaloub. >> i don't understand the thing with the algorithm. but about the culture of facebook. i want to read awe quote from a spokesman for facebook. they said when they hired joel kaplan, who was in the bush administration. they said i thought it was important to have a senior republican in the office to bring a conservative perspective to the table. what does that tell you that the culture of facebook that they had to go out and look for a conservative. >> well, sometimes if you're in
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silicon valley you might not be able to find one, right? the conservative population here in silicon valley for the day. joel kaplan andry very good friends, we worked together at the bush white house. i think it's an excellent choice. he had known sheryl sandberg when they were in college. he's been able to do a lot of good work there. here's the thing i'm going to try to bring up. silicon valley does a good job of being the champion of diversity. but when they think of diversity, i think they mostly think of gender and race. and that diversity of thought is also very valuable when it comes to growing a big company or to avoiding situations like the one that they're in now. so it's a first step and i will be back tomorrow to tell you all about it. >> all right. i cut you off. are you good? >> i hope this isn't a pr stunt on mark zuckerberg's part to stop the bleeding of the pr disaster. i look forward to hearing what
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dana has to say tomorrow. >> i don't know a lot about technology, but i'll see what i can find out. all i know i buttons and things happen. now i have a chance to learn a little more about what happens behind that. >> dana, thanks very much. you guys quadrupled the conservative population in menlo park, california. breaking trump news, a major announcement from the presumptive gop nominee today. that's coming up next on "the five." nothing unleashes power... quite like the human foot. introducing the 241 horsepower lexus is 200 turbo.
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big news from the trump campaign. the presumptive nominee listing 11 potential nominees for the supreme court if he wins the white house. they include conservative federal and state judges. trump says the list quote representative of the kind of constitutional principles i value. end quote. sean hannity got the first interview with the candidate on the supreme court list and here's a clip. >> you are a constitutionalist? >> correct, correct. and i'm also, i want high intellect. i want great intellect. these people are all very high intellect. they're pro life. >> and so that's my list.
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and we're going to choose from most likely from this list. but at a minimum we will keep people within this general realm. there are a lot of people that are conservative that really like me, love everything i stand for. they would like to know my view, because perhaps outside of the defense of our country, perhaps the single most important thing the next president is going to have to to do is pick supreme court justices. >> the full interview airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. let me start with you, jedediah. it looks to me like most of these judges are anti-abortion. is that, was that the test? is that what he's trying to convey here? >> i think he wants constitutionalists. i think conservatives when they look at a presidential election, a chief concern is the supreme court. so many issues wind up hitting the court and many conservatives feel like constitutional principles aren't upheld so this is his moment to insure conservatives that look i've got
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your back, not only on a pro life issue. but on all matters of the constitution. it looks like he's going to pick someone who abides by the constitution, which would be a welcome change. >> this is interesting to me, clearly you know when i look at it i think he doesn't back justice john roberts, the chief justice on the obamacare mandate. he has trouble with justice roberts, but justice roberts is a conservative. the people he's named like pryor. >> conservative john roberts. did you air quote that in. >> i think he kind of showed his true colors with the obamacare -- >> i don't even know what to say. >> you look surprised. >> i am surprised. i don't think there's any doubt that john roberts is a conservative. >> i mean he -- >> even i have my issues with john roberts. >> conservative in name only. but was it -- anyway, so this should assuage the concern of many conservative who said
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donald trump is not a true conservative because of where he is on the bathroom issue. because of where he is on different issues eerks note hard-line right conservative. but the 11 people he picked for the supreme court certainly are. six federal court of appeals judges. five state supreme court judges, all of whom are on record with opinion being very, very conservative. this is all good news. the heritage foundation said donald trump a couple of weeks ago, maybe, a couple of months ago perhaps and said here's a list that we think would be good. donald trump they gave him eight. donald trump put five of those eight on his list so heritage, a very conservative group says we'd like this list as well. these are all very good things. this is great timing. all the people who are concerned with donald trump can now realize that if you don't necessarily ascribe to everything he believes in, know that he's going to surround himself with very, very smart people. >> i think also the concern is in the this election obviously if hillary clinton were to win, the type of people she would put on the supreme court.
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even if you have your issues with donald trump, the idea that there would not be a pro life person taking over for scalia, is the issue that keeps me up at night. those of us that are still hesitant about trump, this shows he's making an attempt. he's showing that he will put real conservatives on the supreme court. he's taking it seriously, getting a lot of play on the internet, justice don willett, one of the people put on the list, he's been trolling trump on twitter for a long time. so you know, just prwise, i would love for them to put out a list of things and let this guy know -- >> a question before i go on. america merritt garland is viewed as centrist. but now the republicans majority in the senate is saying we won't even consider him. would you put these nominees in the same category as merritt garland? >> yeah, merritt garland is super anti-amendment and he's
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pro choice. >> that's it? guns and abortion? >> that's pretty important issues. those are pretty key issues. >> it's the cornerstone of my beliefs. >> i'm interested that there are litmus tests for conservatives. soy guess justice roberts who are others that are conservatives on court might not fit right now. tom, am i wrong? >> i want to know what you think of trump's proposal you have to take all 11 at once what do you think of that? >> fdr wanted to do something like this. >> they're very conservative. conservatives often say there's no litmus test. but apparently there is with trump. he said they're pro life. >> especially for the supreme court. >> that's a big one. >> i think this is a, this is trumpa at his most conservative. i think conservatives are going to be happy with this one. >> the other interesting thing one of the pushbacks on trump is his sister is a judge. and she's pro choice.
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and so they said uh-oh, trump might put his sister on the supreme court. put her up for a nomination on the supreme court. notice trump's sister is not on the list. and also not on the list, mike lee, senator who is rumored hey maybe he would be on this list. he's not, but his brother is on the list. and ted cruz, a lot of people say maybe ted cruz, a constitutional conservative, i thought he -- >> i can just see it now. lyin' justice. >> you can call him what you want but he still is a constitutional conservative. >> here's what i noticed, i noticed that all of the judges are in support of more strict voter i.d. law, abortion -- to me i'm just wondering, that's what it's all about, jedediah? >> this is a guy who for many has been on both sides of many issues. that's the struggle people have. they're trying to figure out what would donald trump actually do if he were elected president? here, what he's saying to people is let me offer you some
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security. regardless of what i've said in the past what i want to do is abide by the constitution. you're talking about guns, like it's the second amendment. so that of course that's important to him. he's going to take a look at the constitution, he's going to hire also the question is who would he hire? who would he surround himself with. he's telling you right now, these are the people you would prioritize. you can look at tapes from 15 years ago, he's trying to offer conservatives some security as to what he would provide. and i think this is a good start. >> i'm surprised at you, even liberals know enough not to go anti-second amendment when they're up for election. even liberals know that. you have justices here, i thought the idea was we want conservatives. abortion, i agree that tends to be a biggie. but beyond that you just want people who have experience, who have proven -- and i would think with merritt garland sitting there as a point of comparison, more centrist. anyway,'t don go away, up next, you're not going to believe what trump again, what he said about
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president obama. this time to sean hannity. plus trump's big interview with megyn kelly last night. the highlights when "the five" returns.
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more now from sean hannity's upcoming interview with donald trump tonight. president obama has had plenty of things to say about the presumptive gop nominee this campaign season. tonight trump fires back. take a look at a sneak peek. >> fair trade, you're not a protectionist. you want better deals? >> i want fair trade. the problem with fair trade, the people we have now are inkpedant. our president is you know, he used a word the other day, not a nice word. but he's an ignorant president. he's an ignorant president. he doesn't know what's going on, in my opinion, okay? and the opinion of plenty of other people. >> uh-oh. fighting words, juan. you want to defend your president against that?
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>> i think the press suggested that trump's lack of knowledge equalled ignorance of foreign affairs, et cetera and i think this is trump paying that back. in the megyn kelly interview, trump said whenever he feels injured, he, he doesn't do anything, he doesn't seek peace, wants to fight back to uninjure himself, which is how he put it. i thought that was really revealing. >> he doesn't make these attacks out of the blue. he's on defense. a lot of times somebody says something about him and he retaliates. how do you think that plays in the media when he says those things about president obama? >> it plays well with the base. i think he's setting it up if hillary wants to run on obama's legacy, she wants to be four more years of obama, he can set up the line. think it's a waste of time for him. he could have fluffed it off like he's a lame duck, he's out of here, anyway. that would have felt a little presidential to me like i got this from you. i'll take this over, you can get
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out. let me start measuring the curtains on 1600 pennsylvania avenue. but donald trump never backs down from a comment or a fight. >> want to shift over to the megyn kelly interview. i thought she did an amazing job. trump gave some interesting answers to questions. i want to get your comments after this. >> if you don't become president, will this all have been for nothing? or will you have changed america? >> i will say this. if i don't go all the way and if i don't win i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy and money. >> see, tom, i see you laughing. i actually disagree with him. think he has completely changed the culture, the scene, he's proven that you don't have to have any love from the establishment and you can still win. i think he's done a lot. what's your take? >> it doesn't matter. i love that answer and it's so refreshing. people say that is the least politician-type answer anyone would ever say.
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that people always say we're meeting wonderful people. we're making changes and everything like that. he says no, if i don't win, it's a waste. and i think he said it's a waste of time, energy and my in it's a waste. if you don't win, it's nothing. i think people feel that way. remember when mitt romney lost? people were just crushed and then you know, mitt romney says well you know he came out and he -- i never loved that speech that people give and say, we worked so hard and the president is going to do a good job. i wish the candidate could come out and say, what are you people dumb? you didn't elect me? what's wrong with you. >> i think with all due respect. you've never been on the campaign trail for two years, my father lost spectacularly, i wouldn't take back one minute. the most liberating experience of my life. i know he agrees. running for president is a privilege. that's the one answer i didn't like last night. >> didn't you want to say are you people stupid for not electing my dad? >> no. i think that's highly
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disrespectful, actually. i think you have to listen to the will of the american people in the same way that the republican party has to listen to donald trump supporters right now. america wants america wants. i think the moment that i liked "the interview" view last night was him copping to, maybe not regretting, but saying he couldn't live without the heidi cruz tweets. that was one of the things above all else i had such a problem with and i think many women did and recognizing that it may have been a mistake, is a bold move for donald trump at this point. >> i think megyn struck a really great tone. >> but i think it brought out some humility in the guy. i think when you look at donald trump oftentimes, you see someone who isn't going to say things like i had regrets or who isn't going to take things back or potentially say, there was a softer side to him that i think would appeal to a lot of people who just look at his twitter feed and see the bombpast.
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>> i thought this isn't the donald trump i'm used to watching. i frankly like the one not that one. i like the one where he does go at you and you -- >> he said that in fact if he wasn't the kind of bombastic, aggressive character, if he's talking policy and position, he thinks he -- >> 28,000 people in mississippi if he's talking policy. >> i agree with you. i don't even think, i'm not sure that donald trump realizes how much change he's created. in the american political spectrum right now. >> he broke the republican party. >> right. >> i have more respect -- i have more respect for the republican party than you do. >> donald trump created a hostile takeover of the republican party. but again, in business you know this, you can't just take a company unless they're ripe for the taking. if they're not performing well,
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they can fight off a hostile takeover. the republican gop establishment couldn't find it off because it was broken. >> the question is, as you said you didn't respond to that interview. i did a little more. is he pivoting. it will be interesting if he continues that tone going forward to try to reach out to a different audience. >> i think he's got your vote, eric, he's worried about us. catch the big interview tonight at 10:00 p.m. up next, another win for bernie sanders means another loss for hillary clinton. the democratic race developments when "the five" returns. we asked a group of young people when they thought they should start saving for retirement. then we asked some older people when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement. just start as early as you can. it's going to pay off in the future. if we all start saving a little more today,
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it was another big night for bernie sanders. he won oregon's primary and nearly defeated hillary clinton in kentucky. clinton is claiming victory and now just 92 delegates shy of climplging the nomination.
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bernie vowing to stay until the end. >> there are a lot of people out there. many of the pundits and politicians they say, bernie sanders should drop out. let me be as clear as i can be -- i agree with you, we are in to the last ballot is cast. >> the democratic party is going to have to make a very, very profound and important decision. it can do the right thing. and open its doors and welcome in to the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. >> sanders has even just agreed to do a fox news debate out in california. putting the onus now on hillary clinton to accept the invitation as well. i think there's no chance she'll ever do it. what do you think, jedediah? >> bernie sanders isn't afraid of tough questions, i think that's because he actually stands for something and he doesn't actually have to be
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worried about. hillary clinton is another question, i don't think she'll ever do it i reached out to sanders supporter, i said if you're a sanders supporter and you could never vote for hillary, tell me why. the words i got back were, she's corrupt, she's dishonest, she's a liar, she's a crook, she's a one-woman war on woman. one tweet was amazing, it defined what i thought, but it came from liberals she not a democrat, not a republican, a socialist, she's a clintonite, all about her profit and power. i don't think that the voters that love him are automatically going to go to her. if i were on a left i would want a champion of what i stood for and i think he's the guy. she stands for nothing. i think she's just a corrupt politician. >> can i have your segment and ask you a question. why do you and why does jedediah say that hillary clinton won't do this debate? >> because i think she just wants to get become the nominee and debate donald trump and i think she wants to put it behind. but she's becoming a weaker candidate day by day. bernie sanders supporters, if you think they aren't crazy?
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go listen to the voice mails they left on the nevada chairs. don't say anything about trump supporters, listen to bernie sanders supporters, i agree there's so many millennial women who are going to go to trump because they're so angry at hillary clinton right now. >> i think you're being wishful. >>ky give you an alternative or give you a reason? bottom of the ninth, two outs, you're up by seven, why are you playing games? just throw the ball, finish the game. there's no reason to take a chance on a debate. >> you're saying the throw the ball is no debate? >> she wins in in proek, she doesn't have to wait until california, she wins in puerto rico. >> obviously i am out, we haven't heard from you, do you agree with these people? >> i agree with eric completely. there's no upside for hillary, she can just hide. >> okay. okay. so here's the outlier point of view. which is -- just because of what you said, what's been going on in nevada, the fact that democratic establishment haas
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has been saying to bernie sanders, be a man, stand up, you cannot have people threatening the nevada democratic chair calling names, throwing tables and all the rest. there is a need for hillary clinton to speak to bernie sanders supporters and to treat bernie sanders with respect. that's why she needs to do this fox debate. in addition to which she will reach an audience she has not reached before. often an audience of independents women. >> let me jump on that, also. hey, hillary, you want to be president of the united states, you know who would not back down from a debate like this? donald trump wouldn't back down from a debate like this. why don't you show them and america what you got. go debate bernie sanders, what you got to lose? >> that's what i'm saying. >> the problem is she's still her. i don't know if you've paid any attention to her, but she's terrible at this. >> she's beat bernie sanders in every debate and gotten, i think three million more votes than bernie sanders. >> this guy, he's hold? he's a walking cartoon and he's
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giving her a run for her money here. >> also she's beating him fair and square. i'm so sick of this roswell landing conspiracy that bernie sanders is hijacking everything, she has like 3.6 million more votes than he does. they're not going to put it past her. right now he's running to be socialist folk hero of america. as much as i would love to see them come out and debate. he's no longer doing this because he wants to be the nominee. he wants to continue making this political statement and doing god knows what. >> you're hurting eric's feelings, i want you to know, it's not nice. eric is a big bernie sanders supporter. because anything that's not hillary, he likes. >> it would be behoove her to show up to a debate. >> i think so. we agree. >> especially if the challenge says, we can do this. >> and show enough respect, but show that you know you're not afraid of this. i think it's in your interest, mrs. clinton, john podesta, it's in your campaign's interest, going forward against trump to have the sanders people say she treated us with respect until
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the very end. >> a good sales pitch. >> i think she should do it but she know that bret baier ain't rachel maddow. just saying. >> i think she is tough, too. and i think that it would be making, for the people that really support her and really believe in her. this will be a great opportunity for her to kind of, it would be. but i want you, i don't have quite the confidence in her that you do, juan, sorry to say. next -- that whisper revealed more than 20 years later. what o.j. simpson told his lawyer, robert shapiro right after a jury cleared him.
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it was the whisper seen around the world. when o.j. simpson was acquitted of dou 1995, he leaned over to one of his lawyers, robert shapiro, to tell him something in private. it's remained secret for more than two decades until last night when shapiro revealed o.j.'s words on megyn kelly presents. >> moments after the verdict, o.j. simpson leaned over and whispered something in your ear. what did he say?
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>> he told me this would be the result from the beginning. you were right. >> the glove that didn't fit is what may have led to the acquittal. here's what shapiro told megyn about that. >> i tried the glove on, it was a little wide in my palm and a little long if in my fingers. o.j. simpson has enormous hands, i knew that that glove would not fit him. >> really? >> wouldn't even be close. here's what i told o.j. simpson. i want you to walk as close to the jury as you can. hold up your hand like you're holding the olympic torch and pull and tug on that glove. because it will not fit. and clearly, it didn't. >> wow. first of all, eric, was shapiro paid $1 million for his services? you got that? >> he looks like dr. evil. >> you know, i want to ask you, eric, are we still talking about
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gloves and hand size a lot this year, aren't we? >> what a fail on the prosecution's part. chris darden was one of the prosecutors. marcia clark. they didn't know o.j. has massive hands? he tried the glove on before you rest your whole case on the one glove and by the way, when you have a rubber glove on underneath. it adds to the difficulty of putting on the glove. everyone knew, i remember this case, you remember this? everyone knew that wasn't going to fit. can you imagine they let it all hang on the glove? >> jedediah and i are too young to remember this case. the thing that stunned me that shapiro said to megyn kelly, he believes that the prosecution failed to understand the evidence and it's likely there were two people involved. but he never says well so who killed nicole brown simpson and her friend? i don't know, to me, is this guy in denial? what's he up to? >> well he said, it was his job to get him off. he didn't say he was innocent, right? >> he apparently thinks there
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were two people or o.j. and another person did it? >> jedediah, do you remember this case? did your kindergarten teacher stop the class so you could watch the verdict? >> i remember watching the chase, we were huddled in my parents' bedroom. i remember it was a moment i was never going to forget. i look at it now and it makes me want to star in a courtroom drama. do something like this. but it's so fascinating to me the way these cases sort of overtake the culture. the way you never forget them. >> it sort of paved the way, my mom is very into this stuff. she's probably watching at home right now and can name 500 of them. jon benet ramsey. and casey anthony. >> it mesmerizes us. we sort of forget sometime that it's real life. you get captivated by it and you forget that these are real lives at stake. it's an interesting phenomenon. >> the fx show was huge about o.j. simpson that came out a few months ago. everyone i know was watching it
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i think honestly part of it is because of the kardashians are so popular. that's current reference to an old reference. it's the trial that changed everything. because like you said, court tv came and every trial since, nancy grace makes a living and people are still endlessly fascinated. >> do we have a shot of him putting the gloves on? they're that that small, are they? i mean -- you can still kill someone with gloves like that, you cannot? >> he's guilty he killed her. you know, it's just right now it's amazing that they're able to get him off. >> that's a great point, though. like because the glove didn't fit perfectly, he wasn't able to commit a crime? i see what you're saying, if you use common sense, you can have an ill-fitting glove and still commit a crime. >> it didn't have to be his gloves. when you go and murder somebody you grab any gloves, don't you? >> well played. >> they needed you in the courtroom. >> i want to visit shalu, when they take him to jail.
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>> megan said it was the kardashians and the spectacle of the trial. wasn't it about race? wasn't race the issue? >> remember after the trial he said he would not rest until he found nicole's killer. >> you say to yourself, 25 years later, he still -- >> how many golf courses did he search? one more thing is up next.
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time for one more thing. juan? >> well i have a story of modern love, but sadly, it ends in divorce. after a wedding, a husband and wife returned to their hotel room, but the wife will not get off her cell phone. she's texting with friends, and the groom becomes frustrated and says, who is more important to you? your friends and that texting or me? she said i'm going to finish my texting, he got hot, and pretty soon they were arguing. and minutes after the wedding, he filed for divorce. >> i love it. >> divorce, you like this story? >> that's me, i'm italian. we get excited. >> she likes her friends more than him? >> the texting, eric, you would put up with this? >> i wouldn't have married her in the first place. >> that was beautifully said. you should be a narrator. >> especially a guy spending so much time in weddings recently.
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>> i hope that nobody in my family would do that. yes. so something really crazy happened today. i'm blown away about this. i wrote a book "wake up america" it comes out june 28th. barnes & noble on their top 100 bestsellers, today, it ended up number nine. not even out yet. it's number nine of all bestsellers, if you go to the politics books, it's number one in politics, hasn't even gone on sale yet. i'm blown away, say thank you, you can order the book down there at barnes & and just so fantastic. so proud of that. >> i didn't get my copy yet. it's not out yet. >> i like to get the advance preedit. >> j.k. rowling is number one. i want to see if we can get close to her. >> tom, you're up. >> red eye has the best fans.
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a resident artist draws red eye every night live and yesterday drew "the five." can you see me with the -- look at jedediah. >> am i the dark one in the back? >> yeah, that's you. >> look -- >> look at your cheekbones. >> they're always there. it's always two cheekbones. >> eric, you look angry. >> i look scary. >> you're up. jedediah. >> this story combines my two favorite things in the world, pets and firemen. so houston fire department rescued two pets, there was a big fire. listen to this, there was a little dog hiding inside of a wall and they found a cat that had gone inside of a mattress and hidden. they washed them off, carried the dog, they gave the dog oxygen. they gave the cat oxygen. this is why i love them. because it's not only that they save people. but they save pets and everyone knows if i could, i would have a
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giant farm. this is a feel-good story for everybody at home. >> you love firemen, don't you? >> i do. >> megan? >> my one more thing, yesterday was my parents 36th wedding anniversary. >> look at that. >> i just, i love my parents obviously, thanks for falling in love and having me and you know, showing me what a great marriage is through a lot of crazy things in their life, so i'm very happy. i want to give them a shout-out on "the five." mccains, congratulations. >> you look just like your mom. >> my mom is so hot and she was like when she was younger, she got married when my mom was 24 and my dad was 58. not really, like 40. and i'm, my mom was really hot. >> how long have you guys been married? >> 38 years on july 1st. >> 13, 13 years. >> 18 years for me. >> and then there's me.
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so -- >> jedediah. >> set your dvrs to never miss an episode. "special report" is coming up now. >>. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier. donald trump has not only closed the gap, he's for the first time leading hillary clinton in a national poll. it's the latest fox news poll released this hour. this as trump is taking big steps to look more presidential, meeting with a legendary diplomat and releasing his supreme court wish list today. first the numbers. trump has taken a 45-42 lead over clinton in our brand new poll. that is a 10-point swing from just last month when clinton was up seven points. but trump still trails bernie sanders. the vermont senator has a


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