i just want to thank megyn for letting me sit in for her tonight and i want to thank all of you for watching. megyn will be back monday and i'll be o the fox business report hosting. i hope to see you there. "hannity" is next. we begin tonight with a fox news alert. officials are ftrying to determine what caused egyptair flight 8 04 to crash into the mediterranean sea thursday morning. i'm tucker carlson hitting in for sean. cr we're learning tonight according to the aviation herald, there may have been a fire on board the aircraft. spoke alar joining us from our london bureau is kitty logan. kitty? >> the aviation herald website has published a statement,
transmitted -- this data indicates a smoke alerlt in toilet and in the avionics compartment. an aviation specialist told fox news this could mean there was a fire on board which could have caused the plane's controls to completely fail. now until the aircraft is recovered, investigators won't be able to learn exactly what happened. several countries including france have joined in the search and rescue operation and today the first items of wreckage were discovered. the egyptian navy says its ships recovered personal items with what is parts of the plane such as seats, they found human remains, too, a sad confirmation that none of the 66 passengers and crew is likely to have survived the crash. the debris was discovered 180 miles north of egypt's coast not far from where the last signal from the flight was. picked up. the next step is to locate the main body of the aircraft, something this u.s. navy plane
is assisting with and as always, it will be crucial to recover the black boxes. so far, these have not been located and any data which can be recovered from them obviously will be vital to the investigation, but search efforts in these deep waters is going to take some time. and if this new data indicating a fire on board proves to be accurate, it will be a big leap forward in that investigation, but then the next question, if it was a fire that caused the crash, then what caused the fire? tucker? >> thanks a lot. joining us with reaction from commercial pilot and aerospace journalist kathleen bangs, aviation expert sal lagonia and national security staffer gillian turner. c kathleen, as a former commercial pilot, many assume it was a bomb because the aircraft dropped rell aretively quickly from altitude into the sea. could have fire have caused the mishap to unfold as quickly as that? >> yes. tucker, in fact, i've been very suspicious from the beginning about this, perhaps not being a
bomb, and i'm glad to see we're looking at other factors. this acars report, what is it is there's a digital recording system that comes from the airplane separate from anything that the pilots enter and it goes via satellite up and back to the company. what that's showing is we had a cascade of problems that happened on that airplane over a two to three-minute period. if this was a bomb, highly unlikely that these events would happen over two to three minute period. it's not impossible for a very, very small bomb, but it does not appear that there's any breach of the fuselage, that there was a depressurization. so what it looks like is perhaps a fire near the cockpit, perhaps under the cockpit in what's called the avionics bay or ene compartment that spread rapidly into the cockpit and the forward lavatory. >> boy, so fast though, sal. no distress call from the aircraft. a lot of smoke in cockpits and planes land safely. why could this have unfolded -- >> that's what's still bothering me about this.
this happened very, very quickly. whatever this was, it was very, very quickly. all we know from the acars report so far is there w heat o and smoke in the cockpit and in the cabin. >> so the acars report, there was heat. >> right. you can tell the heat against the window of the co-pilot. and that's exactly what it told us. doesn't tell us how it gets there. of course we still need to know that. i'm still a bit suspicious about anything natural happening on this aircraft. you had something that was very quick that was so fast that the pilots apparently weren't able to don their supplemental oxygen and make a may day call which is number four on their checklist. the fourth item on the checklist is may day may day. they didn't do that. >> the two aren't mutually inclusive. it could have been an incendiary device. >> the race is on from a counterterrorism perspective, there's a tremendous amount of urgency. any clues that can be gleaned
here can be used to help thwart and prevent future terrorist attacks if it's determined it is an attack now. what's going to happen is law enforcement intelligence community officials are going to converge around this area and start rifling through this. immediate questions that need to be asked are what organization perpetrated this, what individuals and are those people still operational? that's where the time crunch really comes in here. >> kathleen, i don't think there's anything scarier than the idea of a fire on board an aircraft at 37,000 feet. the airline says there's no -- >> nothing. >> -- known hazardous cargo in the hold of this plane. would they know that? >> yes. tucker, that means nothing. you know what was also suspicious to me is as soon as this happened two nights ago, within minutes egyptair announced there was no hazardous cargo on board that airplane. airlines frequent ly do not kno what the cargo is they're carrying. look at what passengers bring on board. so we don't know what could have been on board if it was in the front cargo hold, but beyond it being cargo, very easily it could have been a scenario that
something overheated in that ene compartment. does not necessarily mean it was an incendiary device or bomb. you're right. it's a pilot's worst nightmare. personally i'd rather chance a midair collision than i would an uncontained fire at full altitude. the pilots can be overcome by toxic fumes within a minute or two. val value jet 1997 in the u.s. >> wound up in the everglade. of course, short of miami airport. there are fire suppression programs in the airport, right, sal? >> there are. you can decompress cargo holds you can take the oxygen out of the cargo holds. . row have time if it's a natural fire. when i say natural fire, something that was caused by the aircraft itself. if that was in the ene compartment, the fire normally will not spread very quickly. it would be -- there is fuming co coming out of if when the pilot reacts to that, immediately they
don supplemental oxygen and start through a checklist of items to try to isolate the fire. remember, now, we also have moments later this airplane going out of control. that means it cut through those communications systems and the control systems very, very fast. >> physically cut through them. something burned through them. >> something bad happened. >> you hate to speculate, we're not going to speculate, but if this were a terror attack using an incendiary device, is there any precedence of that, have we ever seen that before? >> that's a great question. i'd have to go back -- >> nothing -- >> nothing jumping out at me, no, i'd have to double back on that. the big picture here is aviation security is now a global security issue, right? >> yes. >> you saw with this flight, started on one continent, ended u up on a different one. passenger manifests, people from ten different countries. one country's vulnerabilities are one weak link for the entire world. we're going to share the consequences. it's important to start thinking
about this as a rather than a middle east, africa issue or one region problem. everybody's problems here are shared. >> kathleen, obviously air travel is key to global commerce. nobody wants to shut that down or slow it. that would be a disaster in itself. the idea pilots and airlines don't have an idea what's on their own airplanes is troubling and weird. should that change. >> a lot of things aviation organizations have been trying to change is the fact there's huge pallets sometimes of nicad batteries and cell phone batteries and those sort of things shipped around the world and, you know, pilots don't even know what's going into their own cargo hold sometime. so one of the most dangerous things is just the cell phone batteries that you see, laptop batteries. those things can start a cascade fire where one overheated. a flight last month to hawaii a woman's iphone started on fire inside an airplane. imagine if that was in the cargo hold. >> you really can't imagine that.
sal, you -- >> you can, though. >> you can. >> you can imagine it as developing very slowly. slowly enough for the procedures on board the aircraft -- i'm thinking something very quick happened here and something very bad happened in this airplane. i don't think it was something that slow type of a mistake or of an accident within an electronic device on the airplane. >> quickly, gillian, do you tha think we're going to have to wait until the black boxes are analyzed? >> i think so. there's no other shortcut here. >> this plane is in very deep water. it could be a while. >> it could be in one of those -- we were talking about earlier, one of the caverns beneath the floor of the surface. coming up next right here on the "hannity" program. >> i mean, she is so ill equipped to be the ft. >> do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no. i do not. >> just hours after that egyptair flight went down, donald trump and hillary clinton
began weighing in on it then trading jabs about who would be the better commander in chief. mercedes schlapp and juan williams here next with their reactions. then later -- >> the only way to save our 2nd amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named donald trump. >> donald trump endorsed by the nra earlier today. we'll play the highlights of the speech. all that and more as the "hannity" show continues. stay tuned. it's ti take prilosec otc each g for my frequent heartburn because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
man 1: what isn't? man 2: we've been attacked. man 1: the network? man 2: shhhh. man 1: when did this happen? man 2: over the last six months. man 1: how did we miss it? man 2: we caught it, just not in time. man 1: who? how? man 2: not sure, probably off-shore, foreign, pros. man 1: what did they get? man 2: what didn't they get. man 1: i need to call mike... man 2: don't use your phone. it's not just security, it's defense. bae systems. he says a lot of things that are provocative that actually make the important task of building this coalition, bringing everybody to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> is that the dumbest thing you've ever heard?
to me it's one of the dumber statements i've heard. she's so ill equipped to be the president. >> why is it dumb? >> i just think it's absolutely dumb. >> do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no, i do not. >> she came up and she said that donald trump talked about radical islamic terrorism which she doesn't want to use. she used a different term. she opportunity want to use that term. >> well, following the crash of egyptair flight 804 within hours of it, hillary clinton and donald trump weighed in and then began sparring over who'd make a better president. trump went on twitter last night saying this, "look where the world is today. a total mess. isis is still running around wild. i can fix it fast. hillary has no chance." he tweeted this, "crooked hillary clinton looks presidential? i don't think so. four more years of obama and country will never come back. isis laughs." joining me, mercedes schlapp as well as author of the brand new
book "we the people" and co-host of "the five" juan williams. great to see you both. juan, first to you, so hillary clinton has said in essence donald trump is a shoot from the hip kind of guy, he doesn't know anything and he's not suited to be president, in fact, not qualified to be president. but she was secretary of state during a period when the region from which isis grew became much less stable and more chaotic in large part due to the policy she espoused. she should have take responsibility for that. >> that's what the debate should be about, tucker. i'm glad you put in that way. i'd embrace that kind of strong, serious debate. i will point out obviously you had the arab spring during that time, you've had lots of issues including syria and we all have discussed what happened in libya and benghazi. then you go back before that and you know isis and obviously al qaeda have deep roots in terms of what happened, in terms of
the iraq war. but the point that you make is let's have a substantive debate. i think what you're seeing from trump right now is, hey, i just want to demean hillary clinton and shoot off my mouth and get on social media and i don't think that calls into question whether or not he has the temperament to be the president. >> so mercedes, i agree substantively with the trump critique of the hillary years. on the other hand, without knowing what happened to this plane, trump said it was blown out of the sky. he doesn't know that. nobody knows that. he may well be right. that was my first instinct. >> if i were donald trump, i would not have said it. i think donald trump sometimes goes with his gut and it's his first reaction and that's what he tweets out. you know, chances are he's probably right. when it comes to foreign policy issues, especially when you're dealing with terrorists acts,
there is a moment when you need to pause as a leader and say, wait a second here, we got to see what the evidence is, got to see what's happening. i do think he jumped the gun on it. he's probably right. again, i think he really feels that his gut is usually in the right area. but i think it would have been wiser for him to hold back, wait to see what the investigation shows. and, again, but when you look at the case of hillary clinton, she's the one that's also, tucker, being demeaning toward donald trump saying he's not qualified to be president. goodness gracious, if we look at her background, alone, as secretary of state, there was so many factors where that behind the mishandling of the arab spring, behind the issue of libya where there were so many repercussions and the failures that happened there which have allowed isis to come and grow in that area, so i think that we have to take a look at the fact that when trump is going after hillary clinton, he's got it right in a sense that do we really want to trust her with
making sure that america's in a stronger position? i don't think it is after obama has been president for so long. >> i don't think anyone could argue otherwise. one, you say that you want a substantive debate and i believe that's true. hillary says she wants a sta substantive debate yet dismiss trump with the back of her hand and says he's not qualified rather than engaging with what he actually says, oh hoo, he's racist for putting a ban on muslim immigration, never addressing modern europe as a result of their immigration policies. she's being every bit as shallow as she accuses trump of being, isn isn't she? >> hold on a second. you talked about the ban on muslim immigrants. he walked it back a little bit and said it might just be temporary because there was such a negative response and the negative response wasn't just from hillary clinton, it came from other republicans. >> hold on. >> conservatives said that's not in keeping -- >> okay. i don't want to get sidetracked.
when we get off the air, google the polling on that question. 65% of people support it in wisconsin. actually the "new yorker" editorial writers don't like it but people think that might not be crazy. sorry. >> what i'm saying to you, tucker, if you want to have -- you were saying this, if you want to have a debate about what's going on in the middle l east, let's have that debate. you can't say all of a sudden this is going to be solved by a ban on muslims coming into the united states. we can have it, we can say it's an impulsive emotional response. >> as you know -- look at this vulgar creep, you know, he's a racist, really? tell me what your immigration policy -- how are we going to prevent america from becoming, say, sweden or germany? what's your plan? >> you don't prevent it by alienating our middle eastern allies -- >> how do you prevent it? okay. that's fine. how do you prevent it? >> you prevent it by engaging in
an aggressive and strong war against islamic terror in the world. >> mercedes, mr. trump has said that he will beat isis quickly. how's he going to do that? >> you know, this is a very complicated situation with not a simple solution. and i think for trump he's made some interesting comments which is he doesn't want to be dealing with a regime change in syria while at the same time fighting isis. it seems in his mind that he's going to focus on isis, take military action there, and figure out a way to destroy it. he's talked about taking out some oil fields where we know a lot of the primary income that goes into the hands of isis come from those oil fields, oil field production. so i think for donald trump as it is for any of these -- any of the presidents, is that it's a very difficult task. >> right. >> this is not just a short-term war, tucker. we're dealing with a long-term bloody war that is not going to
take just several years to just take down. and that's the reality that we're living in. >> mercedes, we're at a disadvanta disadvantage, tucker, because trump doesn't spell out who he's going to do. >> look, that's not true. sorry, juan. >> he says, you know, we are better than they are, they are wrong, we are right. seems like a good start. >> that's fine but what's his policy? >> america first. >> we'll have to wait for another show to get into that. we're out of time on this segment. i want to thank you both for coming on. donald trump continues to unleash blistering attacks. today he's questioning on whether hillary wants bill to be in the white house with her so she can keep an eye on him. leslie marshall and tammy bruce to react on that. if that wasn't enough, wait for this. >> the only way to saveur 2nd amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named donald trump. >> trump was endorsed by the nra today. he vowed to protect your 2nd amendment rights if elected
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welcome back to "hannity." donald trump is not letting up in his critiques of the clintons. bill and hillary. earlier today he offered one reason why hillary is saying she wants to have her husband run the economy. if she makes it to the white house. watch this. >> don't you think she's saying i'm going to put him in charge of that because people like him more than they like her? >> well, maybe she's saying that or maybe she just wants him around the white house so she can keep her eye on him. >> has for hillary clinton, here's how she's responding to trump bringing up her husband's history of marital misconduct. >> do you ever feel compelled to defend your honor, the honor of your husband? >> no. >> with statements that he's making that go to the core of the relationship? >> no.
not at all. i know that that's exactly what he is fishing for and, you know, i'm not going to be responding. >> here with reaction, fox news contributors leslie marshall and tammy bruise. leslie, first to you. what a setup question that was from cnn. no one is asking whether hillary should defend her husband. the question is did she attack the women who accused her husband of crimes? and she did. and so why is that defensible? why should a woman who builds herself as a defender of all women get away with attacking specific women when they credibly allege crimes committed by her husband? why is she a friend of women? >> well, first of all, i don't feel voters in this country that are female regardless of their ideology are looking at what hillary said or didn't say with regard to women that made accusations about her husband. i'm married. if somebody made an accusation about my husband because i love him, at first i certainly wouldn't believe it and i might not say something very positive about that individual.
the voters are looking at legislation. >> wait, i'm sorry. >> how she's done, what can she do with regard to women's rights. >> if it went to court and a lot of witnesses came forward and it was basically established, like the o.j. trial, beyond a shadow of a doubt that your husband abused a woman, why would you continue to attack that woman if you claim to be a feminist who is protecting all women? like, you can't sdon't see the there? or no? >> first of all, it's 2016. bill clinton is not running. these are not the actions of hillary clinton. she and nobody in the clinton campaign are calling donald trump's first wife or second enablers. i feel this is not presidential. it is not professional. it's honestly not what the voters want. i think she's right, this is exactly what donald trump wants. >> i want go to go tammy. >> donald trump wants her to address this. >> i don't want to talk about other people's marriages. they're mysterious to me. i don't think many americans want to talk about it. hillary clinton started out calling the guy a sexist. seems to me if you attack women
your husband abused, the one thing you can't call other people is sex ist, no? >> right now in this age, people run his team. it's no longer the first lady who's going to be sitting back. when we think about marriages in the case of the american presidency, it matters. as a team, they make a determination about the future. character matters. and the nature of that woman and that man and how they work together matters. while we might want to not talk about each other's marriage, when they put themselves into the arena, then all's fair game. now, look, she says she's not going to defend her honor because she has none and neither does her husband. it's an understandable reason she says she's not going to defend it. at the same time, here's other brilliant thing trump has done. we're having this conversation, aren't we? that he's done it with humor. with ridicule. people say this is going to be the ugliest campaign ever in the history of america. maybe it's going to be the funniest. maybe we're going to have an exciting campaign, suddenly we're going to see hillary who i
almost feel sorry for, but not quite, is going to face an approach she's never seen before. >> that's a good point. i thought it's been hilarious from the beginning. one of the funniest things, leslie, is to watch a self-proclaimed feminist blazing a trail for women worldwide run on her husband's economic record. what is that? >> i don't think she's running on her -- >> yeah, she is. she's saying i'm running on my husband's economic record. >> i think that she -- i think in sense she was being a bit tongue in cheek. i want to point out the sexism, though, if we can. donald trump just saying that she wans her husband in the white house to keep an eye on him, to me, is a sexist statement. >> why is that sexist? >> with regard to honor -- >> i'm going to have to -- wait. hold on. whoa, whoa. i'm going to have to ask you to define the term if you're going to use it. how specifically is is sexist? why is that an attack on all women by saying that? >> well, you know -- >> oh, it's not. >> i did not say that. i did not say that. as a woman, when you were attacking an individual's gender
or their husband, or their marriage, look, i want attacks on the issues. both from trump to clinton. >> of course she does because we're dealing with the clintons. >> that's what the american people want and that's what the american people will vote on in november. >> we'll find out. is it sexist, though, to critique someone's behavior? is an attack on hillary an attack on all women? >> no. this is where we've got to be able to decide. if you are going to be a woman in power and dealing with saying that you can do whatever a man does, which i truly believe that women are capable of everything, then you don't fall back on whining about the fact that -- of your gender or that something might be sexist. the fact of the matter is, she has created this buffet for people of her life and her own behavior. but for me, when she says that she's going to put bill in charge of the economy, it means she's bad at math. i mean, it's effectively what she's saying. it means she's going to give the heavy lifting to a man. that's the sexism. immediately with the world that she's got, that she's going to say to women across the board,
well, there's things i can't do. i'm going to have to have a man -- >> her argument by claiming sexism, the thing about hillary, she's actually pretty tough. when she claims sexism, she's saying i'm weak and the victim. >> we don't really know. she's had a lot of jobs but never really accomplished anything. she's never really run a campaign that won something. the rick lazio campaign for senate was really nothing. the 2008 campaign clearly she lost. this is a woman who's been everywhere and nowhere. she's the ultimate example -- she's almost a kardashian. there's no real, anything there but she's famous, anyway. this is why the campaign's important. it's going to be about the issues and that's where trump will win. >> leslie, if you can boil down -- we don't have much time, but very quickly boil down her record to one signature achievement she should be running on. here's the thing i did that ought to cause you to vote for me for president. what would it be? >> i honestly think she's done a
lot for women and children throughout her career as an attorney, first lady. >> sure. name one -- here's the thing. >> as a secretary of state. you said one thing. i don't think that should be the platform. >> i'm just asking. >> i don't think she's giving the heavy lifting to her husband. i think what she's doing is exha capitalizing on his popularity, more popular than her and more popular than donald trump and economically he's very popular even with republicans. >> he used to be. >> if he were to run in november, he'd win. >> thanks for joining us. tha thank you. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. coming up next right here on "hannity" -- >> hillary clinton wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. just remember that. we're not talking about changing, she wants to abolish the 2 pdnd amendment. we're not going to let that that. >> mr. donald j. trump slamming
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welcome back to "hannity." it's official. donald trump just picked up a big endorsement today from the nra. the national rifle association. trump accepted it at the nra convention where he gave a rousing speech on behalf of the 2nd amendment touting his pro-gun credentials and slamming his democratic rival hillary clinton. here's part of what he said. >> to get the endorsement, believe me, is a fantastic honor. i will not let you down. remember that.
i will not let you down. hillary clinton wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. just remember that. we're not talks about changing. she wants to abolish the 2nd amendment. so we're not going to let that happen. hillary clinton will release e violent criminals from jail more so than obama. she has a more open policy than obama if that's possible, and put innocent americans at risk. i'm going to put criminals behind bars and guarantee that law-abiding americans have the right to self-defense. 100%. the only way to save our 2nd amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named donald trump. >> how big a deal is this endorsement? what role will the gun debate play in the coming election? joining us with their informed reaction, fox news correcto con our friend bo dietl and brian
benjami benjamin. i want to get to policy, to hillary clinton's position to fix the murder epidemic in this country rising every year, that we need to allow people to sue gun manufacturers. if a guy walks into a bar and opens fire, why would suing the maker o st faf the firearm make anybody safer? it won't save a single life. >> you're aware the gun -- >> no. the gun manufacturer, not the gun dealers, the gun manufacture manufacturers, remington, ruger. why is suing them save a life? >> the point is immunity -- >> you're not answering my question. >> i am. >> no, no, this is their position. you should be able to sue gun manufacturers for gun crimes. why would that save -- >> depends on the situation. >> name a situation where they would save a single life or be justified. name one. >> well, it just depends. >> you can't. because it's insane. >> it's not -- first of all, it's not insane. >> go ahead and defend it. tell me why that's a good idea. >> look, here's my position. i'm talking about the dealers
and manufacture evrmanufacturer >> i know i'm being mean. >> you want to be very narrow -- >> it's indefensible. >> i'm going to give you a time-out to think. >> can't you feel the wave? the trump wave is here. all i can say is guns don't people. people kill people. >> with guns. >> excuse me, brian. starting to feel the trump wave. i've known trump 40 years. i've been on the trump bandwagon from the beginning. >> oh, my god. >> you say what he did with the nra. now we got all the cruz people, we got all people, democrats, republicans. people that love the right to carry weapons and now all of a sudden they wave is coming. and president trump is coming and what happened today is going to revolve around this country for one thing, we should have our rights. we should have our freedoms. and trump stands up for it. you have a very clear choice out there. you got hillary, the liar, or you have trump that's going to try to make this country straightened out a little bit. >> can i ask you a question? >> trump is a liar.
trump is -- five minutes ago he was against assault weapons. now all of a sudden -- >> yep. he's changed -- >> he's thought about it. >> i want to acknowledge the truth of what you just said. trump has changed his views on a lot of things. so has hillary. i have. let's address his positions today. >> let's do it. >> hillary clinton makes the case that universal background checks are the key. if i give my son a gun for christmas and i have. >> right. >> should i have to undergo a background check? she say s yes. will that make america safer? no. answer my question. >> it will make america safer. >> for me to undergo a background check to give my son a shotgun for christmas -- >> you're taking a very narrow. >> it's not narrow. it's a point. >> should terrorists have to -- should they be allowed to buy guns? >> what are you talking about? >> if you're on the terrorist watch list, you should not be allowed to buy guns. >> if you're mentally ill -- >> if you're on the terrorist
watch list -- should you be in jail? if you're a terrorist, shouldn't you be in prison? >> hold on. brian, brian -- >> we're studying them, trying to figure out stuff. >> let me tune you in a little bit. in chicago, 130 young african-american kids killed. every one by an illegal gun. these aren't registered guns. if we should be doing anything, we should have the firearm, tobacco -- we should have the task force in chicago -- >> we should -- you guys are advocating for less. >> he's saying let kids carry guns in school. >> gun control in america, the highest murder rate. >> wait. okay. >> chicago has one of the highest murder rates in country, has the strictest gun control. notice a connection there? >> your point, it's an assumption that if chicago has more lenient gun control laws, that there will be less crime. >> i'm looking for an evidence thf based argument from you.
i'm just trying. >> context. the context, chicago is a tougher city than -- >> tucker, brian is very difficult with this thing. >> no. >> he knows -- he knows -- he just is an anti-trump guy. >> i'm not anti-trump. trump is a liar. trump is a liar. >> now -- >> is trump a liar? >> is trump a liar? >> is donald trump a liar or not? tell the truth. >> we're going to take a break. >> tucker, please. is he a liar? is trump a liar? >> please stay tuned. coming up next on "hannity," watch this. >> you get into the general election if you're the nominee for your party. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. >> did you see that? hillary clinton put the tiara on. she's crowned herself the democratic nominee. the sanders campaign is saying, no, take it off, you haven't won yet. is hillary getting ahead of herself? that and a whole lot more. keep watching this show. why are you deleting these photos?
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so you get into the general election if you're the nominee for your party. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. >> well that's hillary clinton crowning herself the democratic nominee. and yet, the party's nomination process is still in progress.
bernie sanders is reminding america of that. he issued this stinging rebuttal to her comments. he said, "in the past three weeks, voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disagreed with secretary clinton. we expect voters in the remaining nine contests will also disagree. and with almost every national and state poll showing senator sanders doing much, much better than secretary clinton against donald trump, it is clear that millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign." joining us with reaction, fox news contributors sirius xm patriot host, david webb and pollster lee carter. it's great to see you both. first to you, the sanders campaign makes a really solid point. >> a really solid point. this is not over. if it were, hillary clinton wouldn't be losing state after state. the democratic contests as you know are not winner take all. >> that's right. >> they're everybody gets a participation trophy. they're proportional. >> and they're redistributed. >> they are redistributed. it doesn't mean that voters aren't expressing a preference and the preference is for bernie
sanders. >> it's absolutely true. this week he made a good point he said we got to have a new day in the democratic party. we dial tested that. it was off the charts. people are saying enough is enough. this isn't a coronation process. the voice of the people want to be heard. it's happening on the right and happening on the left. >> okay. he's basically the american hugo chavez economically. i disagree with everything bernie sanders has ever said prescriptively. he's running on something he believes. he's running a very sincere campaign. she's running on her ambition. doesn't he deserve a voice? >> even if you disagree with him, he deserves a voice in the american system. theroblem is the democrat nomination system is not a representative structure. they created the superdelegates so the party has control and bernie -- >> wait, wait. i'm sorry to interrupt you, david. this is the democratic part? it doesn't sound very democratic. >> day have a less democratic process than the republicans as arcane as the republicans are but bernie sanders should get used to redistribution because proportional, they get votes.
he gets delegates. she gets delegates. in the end the party commands the superdelegates are, clinton. it is over, bernie, but he is a leader of a movement. he will lead it to elizabeth warren and others that will take the party further left and democrats are saying they don't recognize their party anymore. >> it is interestingly -- i think david is right and she is right. she is likely to be the nominee. she is likely to win the contest but he won the argument long ago. there is nothing that democrats are talking about that he didn't interject into the conversation. he is in charge. >> he is totally in charge and she might be right but it doesn't matter that she is right. she needs to acknowledge that this movement is real. people feel this way. by ignoring it, it makes them seem tone deaf to those who are supporting bernie sanders. a third say they would rather vote for donald trump than hillary clinton. she doesn't listen to them. she doesn't say enough of this already. she has to say look, i understand people are frustrated and here is what i'll do about
it. you can't turn them away and dismiss them. >> it is so simple. why did trump win, why is sanders, despite his many limitations. why is he doing so well? because he is running on an economic message, crazy as it might be, aimed at the middle class. why doesn't she realize that is the key to winning? >> she is what the bernie supporters tell me, she is stale, she is the establishment. i ask them for one word answers. she is the 30-year-old rust bucket in car terms that has been in the democratic party for so long and sanders and trump went to the american people. the billionaire that resonates with the blue-collar and socialist that recognizes with the budding young socialists who will never want to live through his policies but this is what works and people are disaffected in america. think about it. think about how you and i talked about smaller government and federalism over our many discussions. people say you failed, both
sides have failed and we're disaffected. >> how lame is her campaign? and i'm saying that as objectively as i can be, that she can't pivot sufficient to put this guy away when the lesson is so clear. speak to people's economic anxieties and yet, she is still talking about global warming and transgender bathrooms and things that people don't care about because why would she? >> it is also policy. when she says stand with me. what does that mean? >> what do you want her to say? you do this for a living. you're a pollster. >> when she talks about opportunities and possibilities. she tells her own story about how much she has over come, how she went to law school, what it was like and how she wants to create possibilities for how she is going do it, that is a different situation. i'm fighting for you, i'm with you. what does this mean, it seems absolutely impossible. it doesn't seem credible or authentic coming from her.
>> she hasn't driven a dmar 30 years. talk about out of touch. she is the most famous woman on planet earth. >> for doing basically nothing but getting elected. let's assess the totality of the clinton campaign. she has no consistent core messaging, unable to leave bernie sanders because she is a bad candidate. she is unable to walk away from him and begin to pivot to the center where both candidates need to come to get independent, white males, white females and other groups to win the election. she is simply not going to be that person ever and sanders is going to sink his teeth in because he is thinking long-term. how do i move socialism forward. >> it does look that way. what is he going to ask for at the convention? >> i don't know -- >> i don't either. >> it is going to be bigger. it will be bigger than rewriting the platform. that is silly. he will want something big. >> i have no idea what --
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