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park and the harbor. check it out. mass fallen theehe roes.com. i got to run. have a nice weekend. the spin stops here because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, donald trump and yours truly, an exclusive right here. good evening. welcome to the kelly file. i'm megyn kelly. tonight an in-depth look as we bring you the rest of our interview with donald trump. he made up the rules as he went along. against all odds he is the last man standing. he took down 17 rivals and even went off certain members of the press some of whom you know very well. how did he get here and how far can he go? we put those questions to fur of the most accomplished men in politics today. men who have their finger on the pulse of presidential politics and have for the last 40 years.
we showed them the key parts of our sitdown with trump and tonight we'll show you that as well, including new footage and get reaction from our panel. but first, a look at trump's rise, including the reasons his sitdown with yours truly got so much attention. ♪ america has never seen anything like the political juggernaut called donald trump. a businessman and reality tv star with no political experience bursts on to the scene and elect fies voters with big threats. >> we're going to knock the hell out of isis. >> and big promises. >> we're going to win in every aspect of our lives. >> while explaining the art of the deal he perfected the art of the insults. >> it's rubio! >> against rifles. >> little marco. lyin' ted. >> detrack ters. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. >> and the press. >> i would never kill them but i
do hate them. >> including yours truly we again with the very first republican debate. >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter. you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> mr. trump did not like the question. at all. for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes, i'm sure it was. >> does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect plt? >> what i say is what i say. honestly megyn if you don't like it i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you although i could be maybe not be based on the way you've treated me but i would not do that. >> and he sent out a tweet that night. >> megyn kelly really bombed to night. >> then he made this remark. >> she gets out and starts asking me all sorts of
ridiculous questions and you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out out of her wherever. >> and he explained it this way. >> i was going to say nose and or ears. that's a very common statement. it's a statement showing anger. >> that set off a firearm storm. >> this is a candidate who's had a hisself is triof misogynistic statements. >> the pundits said his attacks were political suicide. >> more fallout from the latest republican debate. >> i don't know how he thinks he's going to win an election. >> this weekend surely signals the end of trump's campaign. >> the pundits were wrong. >> nbc news survey poll shows trump with 28%. >> donald trump is surging. >> the more trump speaks, the more he spikes. >> it doesn't matter what he said or how he said. >> dump is calling for a total
shutdown of muslims entering the united states. when mexico sends it people, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists. >> voters were angry and they liked that he was angry too. in january he skipped the next fox news debate. >> megyn kalely is really biassed against me. do you think she can be fair at a debate. >> 80,000 tweets directed toward megyn kelly. broke undown to see what the most popular words. >> crazy overrated. >> bimbo. >> hooker. >> days later he lost the iowa caucuses. but trump went on to win and win some more. >> a huge win for donald trump. >> and then a new debate. >> nice to be with you megyn. >> great to have you here. >> you're looking well. >> as you. >> a call to boycott the kelly file. >> can't watch crazy megyn
anymore. >> finally in april, a meeting at trump tower. the meeting was at my request and mr. trump was glashs enough to agree to it. >> donald trump and megyn kelly are making peace. >> their feud apparently disfused. >> you met with megyn kelly today. how did that go? >> 17 candidates down and trump is the last man standing. the presumptive republican nominee. >> have you made any mistakes in this campaign? you said publicly that you thought the retweet about heidi cruz was a mistake. >> i could have done without it. >> you said a mistake. are you taking that back? >> i'm not walking it back but i actually didn't say it that way. i could have done without it. >> you shouldn't have done that, right? >> although you know, i guess you could say she's fair game because she's very much involved with the campaign.
i have millions of followers. i have millions of followers. the thing that gets me in trouble is the retweets. the retweeters is more of a killer than the tweets. >> that's one the heidi cruz thing. let me give you a list of a couple and tell me if you have any requests on it. the comment about john mccain you prefer people that weren't captured, the comment about carly fiorina's face. do you regret any of those comments? >> yes, i guess so. but you make a mistake, you go forward and you can correct the mistake. but to look back and say gee whiz i wish i didn't do this or that. i don't think that's good. in a certain way, that's not healthy. >> one of your advisers recently told republican party leaders down in florida that you have been playing a part and that we're going to see a different donald trump. so which is the real you? you know the sort of brash tell it like it is guy we've seen on
the campaign trail or the more humble possibly boring presidential you? >> i think it's both, i'll be honest. but, i mean, i change for different settings. if i'm in a boardroom, i'm not going to be shouting and ranting and raving, doing it the same way u would do if i'm speaking to 12 people than if i'm speaking to 25,000 people in a may jr. arena some place. actually i'm probably two or three different personalities. >> let me ask you about that. most american parents try to raise their kids to not bully not name call, not tease and taunt. how can they effectively bring that message when the front runner for the republican nomination does all of those things in. >> well i do it really, you know, i've been saying during the campaign i'm a counter puncher. i'm responding. no. u then respond times ten. i don't know.
i mean i respond pretty strongly. but in just about all cases i've been responding to what they did to me. it's not a one-way street. >> let's talk about us. >> okay. >> we were always friendly. >> right. good relationship. >> right? and then came the august 6,2015 debate and i asked you a tough question about women using only the words that you had used. i thought it was a fair question. why didn't you? >> i thought it was unfair. first of all i didn't think it was really a question. i thought it was more of a statement. >> afterwards you said that you didn't feel that the moderators had been nice. do you think it's the journalist's role to be nice to presidential candidates at a debate? >> fair. i don't care if they're nice. >> you used the word nice. >> no i don't think so. i might have said they weren't nice but that doesn't mean they have to be nice. >> it's not a cocktail party. >> in a certain way what you did might have been a favor. because i felt so good about having gotten through -- i said
if i can get through this debate with those questions, you can get through anything. >> you're no longer donald trump businessman or donald trump host of "celebrity apprentice." now you're steps away from the presidency. have you given any thought in this position to the power that your messaging has on the lives of the people you target and on the millions of people who take their cue from you? >> i have. i have. and i see suffering. i mean i see tremendous suffering. and i understand. i have a very big heart. a lot of people don't understand that. people that know me do. and we have to take care of our country. and i do feel america first. i mean, america has been fourth and fifth and ninth. >> but you know what i'm saying. when donald trump targets somebody and says this person is bad, that person is bad it creates a firestorm in those people's lives. and many of these people are so-called civilians who haven't
put themselves out there as public figures. >> but it's in response to something they did. >> but they're listening to you. and they're taking their cue from you. so that's the question is whether now so close to the oval office, whether you will take that responsibility seriously and change your tone to try to be more unifying and less divisive. >> i do take it very seriously. and i understand what's going on. when i see 25,000 people that have seats and not one person during an hour speech will sit down. i say sit down, everybody, sit down. they won't sit down. they refuse to sit down. that's a great compliment. but i do understand the power of the message. there's in question about it. >> i want to talk for a minute about the tweeting. you'll pick up your iphone and tweet yourself? >> usually about 7:00 or 8:00 at night i'll tweet myself. during the day i have a number of people i'll call a tweet to. when you and i were having a
difficulty, you probably had some pretty nasty tweets sent your way. i don't want that to happen. fans, they really love -- we have an unbelievable bond. >> you retweet some of those not just the fans. >> not the more nasty ones. you would be amazed at the ones don't retweet. that was a retweet. did i say that? >> many times. >> excuse me. >> what do you think -- >> not the most horrible thing. again politically but not the most -- over your life you've been called a lot worse, wouldn't you say? you've had a life that's not been easy. >> it's not about me. it's the messaging to young girls and to women. >> it's a certain amount of fighting back. it's a modern day form of fighting back. >> so let's talk about what we just saw with trump and basically the theme of that interview was temperament and
his anger, his ability to control himself. he calls it counter punching. you know in my push to him was query whether that's true when you're talking about members of the media or so-called civilians that have a disagreement with you. which will happen as president. something will come after you. >> this was a good piece for him. he was very deliberate. very calm. reassuring. none of the anger or the angst was there. and i was saying after seeing it that, you know, this is the temperament you want to show the public. we haven't seen that up to this point. >> was that intentional on his part? >> obviously his wife and daughter told him be cool in this interview. it's a very important interview and you've got to do it well. >> mark? >> i definitely saw some evolution there. you know there's always those competing factions particularly with trump when you say advisers who say you got here by letting
trump be trump. don't change a thing. but in order to be president you've got to change a lot. george w. bush did, ronald regularen did. the stress and the pressure of the white house, you can't just be a counter puncher all of the time. >> or you can't punch it off. >> you're right. >> annoying people in the media say things about you that may or may not be true. but you can't come after them for a year in every case. >> that's right. but i think a lot of people will have seen that interview and be somewhat reassured that there was a less combative donald trump there a step more presidential. >> what kid you think in. >> the highlight to me was an extraordinary moment where he did apologize. i mean he said these things about you, about others. he should have -- 99 out of 100 people would have said, look this spun out of control. i didn't want it to be like this. you set it up by saying this is your first question.
he could have said aye learned from this. which is another thing you didn't hear. i've learned from this and i'm sorry. this shouldn't have happened. he will never do that. and i think it's a -- it's very problematic as a candidate and i think he's even more problematic as a president. one thing about presidents they all make mistakes and it's your ability to admit it's a mistake and learn from it that often stops you from making a greater mistake. >> he wouldn't admit that the heidi cruz retweet was a mistake. >> i know. >> the president has to be very hum ling. >> one of george w. bush's mistakes is when asked about his regrets couldn't name one at a particular juncture in his presidency. people want to hear that you're human, you make mistakes you're verne rabble. that's authenticity. >> it shows leadership. >> mea culpa is never going to come out of this man's mouth. >> is that disconcerting to
voters? >> not to his voters. one of the great thing is he's the destigs maker. he can go in there and straighten things out in washington. >> we looked at this very closely in presidential elections and the interesting thing is that voters don't really vote on issues in presidential elections, they vote on attributes. most important are strength, trust and values. and you know, when we were running against al gore were losing on every issue but beating him by 20% on the perception of strength. that's where a lot of the support for donald trump is coming from. >> do you think that democrats or left leaning independents are going to feel the same? >> look i think it's -- we now know he knows how to turn the volume done. that's what the interview showed. he can turn the volume down. but the same concerns that democrats and left leaning independents have were only
amplified i thought. he doesn't know how to apologize. he doesn't know how to be less devisive. he doesn't know how to e night people and bring them together. every time you gave him an opportunity to do so he actually pushed away. he doesn't know how to tell the truth. and those aren't things that are going to help him moving forward with those people that weren't already with him. >> let's talk about the telling the truth issue. do you believe he was sincere when she suggested that he didn't know whether he had retweet the bimbo tweets? >> no. >> do any of you believe he didn't remember that in. >> of course not. >> do you guys believe that in. >> i think he has an amazing ability to racialtionalize. >> i think that's exactly right. for a guy who claims to follow the media as closely as he does, for him to not remember or even read the conch about all of the times he's done it.
>> or rationalizes that it was a retweet. >> i wasn't going to get into this in the interview because i wasn't going to make it about me. but there was so many. there was sick, boycott, liar. i mean it went on and on. i could have gone down the list. i didn't want to make it that kind of exchange. i tried to take myself out of it rather than put myself in it. i was trying to get to temperament and accountability for things he has been mocked for, skewed for. >> i think americans something ed said to me years ago, americans are very forgiving. but i think that you have to acknowledge that you want forgiveness for mistakes. you have to go through this process. and that's, i think, the stumbling block that he's going to have is 30% or less favorables now. to build to somewhere closer to 50 you're going to have to try
to present a different person to a group of people who are not new to you. they've seen you a lot, they've seen these patterns. and you're going to have to be able to say look, this was a mistake, i can change. but you have to go through this. i mean, it's like -- >> he took a step in that direction. he said there were some things he would have done differently. he wasn't specific about it. >> what's your sense of the man who responded to you at the debate, the man you had the meeting with and then the man you did the interview with? is it the same guy? >> yes, all three of those guys are the same guy. on the stage there was a vealed threat, i've been very nice to you maybe i wouldn't be, but i wouldn't do that. then of course he did. but he wasn't nasty, wasn't openly nasty on the debate stage. and certainly in our meeting he was kind and i thought in this setting we were very amicable.
we got along very well. but the truth is behind closed doors and when he's angry trump is legitimately angry. i don't know about his anger management skills. it's not fake. he gets really angry. and he holds a grudge. and i don't -- you tell me whether that is a problem in a president or -- >> yes. having worked for three different presidents and having spent a substantial period of my time, nobody goes in and argues with the president. they present things and basically let him make the decision. i can promise you you want to have a reality check. you want someone on your staff that will come in and tell the truth but usually that person pays a price. it's why most members of congress have a tough time dealing with the president. >> is this to trump's benefit because he would say i'm a businessman, a leader i make e decisions every day? >> i don't doubt that he's going to make tough decisions. i've studied presidents i don't
have any doubt that he basically -- i don't worry about the temperament. i worry about -- one of the things i see as the most important quality a president can have is be a secure president. if you're insecure, you have all of the resources in the world to try to compensate for that. up next our panel has an interesting take on what is driving trump's prun for the white house. and we'll ask the candidate about the people he targets. the real question about trump is whether he wants this. barack obama made a joke at the white house correspondents' dinner here is a guy who was looking to improve his real estate holdings and now we're wondering whether cleveland will survive july right? and there are -- a lot of people have questions about trump and whether he really wants this or he's doing this as a vanity project. thoughts on that?
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>> many times. >> okay. excuse me. >> what do you think -- >> not the most horrible thing -- over your life, megyn you've been called a lot worse. has he effectively neutralized the women issue by raising the way hillary treated the women whoof assault or the women who had affairs with bill. that's where he's going to go, that she assisted him in his allege aid buice of women. >> unlike donald trump i'm not going to pretend to speak for women. however i don't think. what is so jarring about that ad is it's his voice. it's his words. i'm a dad. i got a little girl at home. if anyone talked about my little girl the way he talks about women, i mean i would lose my cool. >> you know what they say. their linen equal
opportunity offender. that he makes fun of the men too. he used derogatory terms for everyone. >> why -- if you were teaching a class and you had a kid who said that, you would say no, that's not how you act. you treat people with expect you don't want to be an equal opportunity offender, you want to be an equal opportunity respecter. >> i said how are american parents supposed to teach their children not to name call when the republican nominee -- his answer is i'm a count are puncher. >> that's fine if you're running casinos, putting together real estate deals in atlantic city that's fine if you're out there selling steaks. as a quality of the president of the united states, you have a unique role model of the world. >> that's the role he's making, a victim that's hitting back.
i don't want a president walking around thinking they're a victim. >> the women don't necessarily vote on women's issues. the democrats play that up. and the republican women save i'm not defined by my ovaries. but this is a little different. >> 53% of the country are women. you can't say that the women's vote -- anybody that basically tries to generalize usually fails miserably. obviously the margin here if you get above 10%, if we lose the gender gap by 10% you can't put it together. >> just between that what do you think? >> if you're getting 55% of the men's vote and you're getting less than 45% of the women's vote, the likelihood is you're not going to win. >> if i just said right now mitt romney a gender gap it would be true. mitt romney won white women by 14 points. he won younger voters under 30 by 7 points if you were white.
it's not gender or sex that's dividing. it's ethnicity. >> and it's single women. >> we do less well with single women. >> married women prefer the republicans. >> donald trump has surprised and shocked the political world. but the concept of donald trump shouldn't have surprised us. i went back in 1992, you ran a guy named ross perot. and i look at those fundamentals fundamentals. they're fave times worse today. there was an opening for an outsider businessman in 19278, there's a giant opening for a guy like trump. but i thought it would come through an independent candidacy candidacy. >> when we went down to run husband campaign, he was at 39% in the polls. >> two months. >> for two months. then what happened is he self destructed. the difference between him and basically donald trump, the
moment the media started treating him like a presidential candidate, he got in a fetal position, krould under his bed and wouldn't come out. >> it's like it gives him more power. >> the whole idea he's a counter puncher -- i was a fighter 50 years ago. i know how to counter purge. he doesn't just knock you down, he kicks you. is that a good persona? the piece that you did with him, that's the persona i want if i'm involved in this campaign. that's what i want the country to see. over time that would erase some of the perception. >> but you've got to ramp up his supporters. >> here's the question. there's no question that he'll loves to win. the real question about trump is whether he wants there. barack obama made a joke at the white house correspondents' dinner that here's a guy looking to improve his real estate holdings and now we're wondering
whether cleveland will survive july, right? and there are a lot of people with questions about trump open whether he really wants this or he's doing this as a vanity project. thoughts on that in. >> well it's a tough vanity project. at the end of the day he either wins and he gets all of the vanity that he wants or he gets a very bad defeat and that's not good for your vanity. and how important it is that you go through the process. we've been candidates that have loss. it's tedious process. up next for the first time you will see donald trump answer our questions about hillary clinton and the general election. and our panel has some thoughts on that matchup. let's talk about hillary clinton. most of the polls have her beating you in a head-to-head matchup and you say you haven't started on hillary clinton. >> i have not started. >> but she has 99% name recognition. she's been around a long time. what could you possibly tell us about her that we don't already know?
let's talk about hillary clinton. most of the polls have her beating you in a head-to-head matchup. and you say you haven't even started on hillary. >> i have not started yet. >> but she has 99% name recognition. she's been around a long time. what could you possibly tell us about her that we don't know? >> look, she has had a very corrupt system going. i mean if you look at her career, whether it's white water or the e-mails or so many other things. and -- >> she's beating you by 30
points in new york. >> you have to understand no other republican would come to new york to campaign. but i think i'm going to win michigan, i think i'm going to win pennsylvania. don't forget, the process is just now starting. >> who is more likely to go to war, you or hillary clinton? >> i think she would be much more likely to go to war. i think that i will be known as a tougher person than her. but i think that people aren't going to mess with me. and i think she would be more likely to be forced perhaps to go to war. i think our country will be much more respected with me as president than with hillary clinton as president. and if you look at her votes she voted very strongly in favor of the iraq war, bernie sanders said some horrible things about her for that decision and others, that she doesn't have good judgment. bernie sanders said -- >> you are on record as having supported that in a radio interview. >> support whad? >> the war in iraq. >> just the opposite. >> you said that on the radio.
>> i was speaking to howard stern oz hi show and he asked me a question and i said i don't. maybe, maybe maybe. that was before the war started. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yes i guess so. i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> and then they have me later on saying shortly thereafter that we shouldn't go in. >> what's going to happen in the general election? >> that question is very important. there were 16 candidates running against him and some very significant people. >> much better field. >> very strong field. >> he knocked these guys out left and right. >> but that's in part because no one else in the field understood the moment we were in. and you do have to give him credit that he understood the moment that we're in what the electorate is looking for. he understood that.
even republican primary voters don't like etiology. does that not terrify hillary clinton? he can read the country better than anybody. >> there is and there isn't. you mentioned the word populous. he was running as a populous candidate. his supporters hate wall street as much as bernie sanders supporters do. >> just to finish the point, what donald trump is out there saying is i don't care about etiology within i'm going to try to level the playing field for you. the rest of the republican field let him run with that. they gave him a wide open field on that np no one challenged him on that point. marco rubio tried once had a agreement moment in that debate. talking about trump you and how you're out there trying to screw the little guy. trump started to crumble. if that's the democrat attack on him in the fall, i will be very curious to see how he handles
it. and it ties these things together. it ties the message and the temperament together. >> my point about the eatideology is this. in 1999 george w. bush and others started articulating a message that attracted conservative democrats and independents to me to become republicans. and h was proactive on immigration, education reform, things that really got my interest and millions of other to cross the bridge and support george w. bush. whatever trump's ideology is going to be formulated in this campaign and at the convention speech. a lot of things are getting attention. he's do-to-the left of republicans on trade. >> how about him saying that hillary is more likely to take us to war than he is. >> left of hillary on trade left of hillary on foreign intervention. he's going to be the head of the republican party. >> there's two arguments you can make. you can make the intellectual argument which you've done
beautifully. and i could make the argument. and there's the emotional argument. he's like the kid playing football or basketball. give me the ball, coach i'm going to score. and that's what he's done since the beginning of this campaign. give me the presidency. i'll fix it. i'm a fixer. there's a whole bunch of people out there saying, elected a republican congress, thal failed, we elected a republican senator, he veiled. reelected obama. >> trump understands the power of story telling. he gets this. you did it amazingly with regularen. the bear many the woods ad was one of the greatest ads ever done >> there's a bear in the woods. for some people the bear is easy to see. others don't see it at all. some people say the bear is tame. others say it's vicious and dangerous. since no one can really be sure who is right isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear?
if there is a bear? >> establish a threat and opportunity, a victim, a villain villain a resolution and a hero. this time it's not the bear in the woods. >> i had to fight jim baker for three weeks to put the bear in the woods and baker didn't get it. >> translate that to this election, it's not bears in the woods it's immigrants at the border. >> one of the clips was on iraq and he wants to claim -- he's going to claim against hillary that he was against the war and she was for it. i asked him you were for it. he said that on howard stern. he's already softening on the muslim policy. we don't know what we're going to get. he's softened his immigration policy as well. >> donald trump is a different kind of candidate. i think the voters are different kind of voters today. that's a surprise that somebody could evolve and change their position and not pay a
consequence. people are saying it's not a politician. >> he's not being political by changing his position. >> you have to remember 30% of the country like him. historically high unfavorables. and hillary clinton is a perfect opportunity for the republicans to win. but even though running against someone who is historically high, he's managed to come in. 37% of the country think hillary clinton is trustworthy. normally you would think, that's unbelievable. can't win. but only 27% think that of donald trump. >> he's got her beat on strength, if that's the number one criteria. >> i think it's going to -- what -- for donald trump to win donald trump is going to have to truly grow. and most good candidates do grow. and they learn. they're self teachers.
that point -- no, they do themselves. >> i mean this is obviously the biggest question is okay, we've analyzed trump. but the question is how does he do against this opponent and how does she do against him. he's maintained all along he's going to flip states that traditionally go democrat red this go round. new york, she's beating him in 30 points. >> and we've lost it by votes from the last two elections. >> michigan, pennsylvania he believes he can turn red. you believe that in. >> possibly. >> her camp is saying she inging he's going to turn utah maybe oregon. >> i don't think so. >> everyone who is hispanic today is probably going to be hispanic on election day and everyone that's african american and everyone that's white. there seems to be two groups of voters. men and women. rond regularen in 1980 got 50% of the white vote and won a
sweeping landslide. mitt romney in 2012 got 59% of the white vote and won 29 states. it's a different -- the fact is that -- >> can't win with just whites. >> political mandate for the republican party to do better with nonwhite voters. >> when george w. bush ran we had a target -- we said in order to win this election we have to get 40% of the hispanic vote. we got 41. romney got 27? >> i think that there's a political imperative that's undeniable. republicans have to do better with nonwhite voters. to govern the country, a country that is changing and the essence of our country is always this melting pot we have to do
better. >> what is it about hillary that makes you say that. >> she's terrible. you don't have to ask me. ask me democrat. >> let's get to specifics. what is it? >> she's inconsistent in her message. she has an integrity issue. people don't believe her. my sense is no one looks at her and says other than the fact that we want to have the first woman president, many of us do a desirable goal many now are saying, but not her. we're tired of her. >> the famous memo that the obama campaign wrote as they entered the primary against clinton, if you read that, it's all still true. this is someone who is easily moved by situation to evolve into a different complete political position. >> that sounds familiar. we were just making that criticism about trump >> that is the great danger to me of republicans, that if you have two people who are
transactional running representative of parties, i think that that is a lost opportunity for republicans to say that we stand for these principles. and these are how these principles govern and this is why it's good for you. the great problem republicans is not translating it into convincing people that it's good for them on this level. >> you have to bring a different kind of voter out, you have to take voters away from her. obviously democrats begin with an almost upstage to begin with to put it away. but i think this is an unpredictable election. i think there's an angry electorate out there. regularen was regularen was a changes election. ross perot against daddy bush. if perot might have been a different candidate. that was a change election. this may be a change election.
we've got two terms of a president that basically most republicans don't like and equally as important as a lot of americans who don't think he's been a good president and they don't want a third term. >> there was an interesting moment that we caught of bill clinton where he says this election is going to come down to who's the best change agent. >> that's the truth. >> wow. >> that's not good for her. if they want change and the voters have said they want that more than they want electability in their candidate could you think of a worse person to run than hillary clinton many. >> let me just describe two things. i try to describe in words. if i say to you at this table donald trump is a decision maker been a decision maker all of his life, he's a tough guy who survived the toughest industry? new york. survived on the top. hillary is a staffer, could do the good policy but you could
see her at the chairman of the congressional committee or a stafferer in a committee. could you see her as the commander in chief? >> i think the thing i'm most worried about is the unpredictability unpredictability. he doesn't play bay the same rule book that all of us have played by all of these years. i studied international relations in college. one of the few things i remember is that international da ploiplomacy, everybody move you make is base odden the fact that your opponent is going to act rationally. then you come to north korea, they don't act rational and you have no idea what they're going to do. he's like the north korea. our panel weighs on what they call one of the most telling moments in the whole interview while donald trump talks strategy. >> i've gotten, they say if i
believe fox which i do, they say that i've had $2 billion worth of free air time. >> the free air time comes in some part because of the controversy that you've generated. >> perhaps. >> is that why you did it? i'm always looking for new things to explore in the world. seeing all the possibilities. the world is taking a totally different direction. you have companies across the globe who are growing at the most rapid pace ever. investing is all about ideas. whether it is in trends or companies, doesn't matter. these ideas are not available in the front lobby of a building they are not available in a research report. it's really digging deeper. it's identifying long term issues that the world faces. optimism gives you the ability to look to the long term and seize the opportunities that are only found by
taking intelligent risks. because in this ever-evolving world you have two choices you can follow the herd, or you can lead it. i am krishna memani and that's the right way to invest. i want to bring it back to you. >> okay. go ahead? you were born a rich man's son and you grew to become even richer. what if you hadn't been born rich. what do you think you would have been? >> i was in real estate -- i didn't want to do real estate. i wanted to make movies. i wanted to go and make movies and i wanted to be a professional baseball player. i wanted to be you know lots of different things. but ultimately i decided that i just did well with real estate. >> what do you think is the difference between being a
businessman and being president? >> well there is a difference. there's a big difference. you to really have more heart, in my opinion, as president. the decisions are so much bigger. when you're going to send somebody into war where you know potentially thousands of people are going to be killed, on both sides, not just our side, on both sides these are massive decisions. these are unbelievable decisions. and i would say the president needs heart. >> now, you seem almost unable to let things go when people come after you. you call it counter punching. but as president -- >> how can you possibly say that? >> but as president you're going to have to let some things go. why should the voters believe you can do it? >> well i think i can do it. but at the same time i'm going to be very loyal to the voters. i will fight hard for the voters like i fight for myself. >> including when it comes to members of the press? >> if you get treated dishonestly by the tresz -- i'm
not referring to you. >> even if that's true. taye they're corrupt. can't we go through seven years of a president that was way too thin skinned when it came to his media coverage? >> i have great respect for good writers and not all of media is dishonest at all. but much of it is. i've gotten -- they say, if i believe fox which i do they say i've had $2 billion worth of free air time. >> right. >> or whatever they happened to call it. i've had actually an amazing number. didn't realize it was this bad. 55,000 negative ads have been against me. despite that, here i am. >> the free air time comes in part because of the controversy that you gentleman rated. >> perhaps. >> is that why you did it? >> it might be for a little bit.
for some reason i get rating. i don't know what that is. you'll have to explain that to me. >> did melania or evan ka tell you to stop with the tweets? >> in some part. but i've taken down in respect, i've beaten many people that are smart. i think melania would like to hey see me be a little more presidential. let me say this. i don't think -- if i wanted to act -- i could act that very easily. that's an act. >> to be presidential? >> i think it is to a certain extent. i think if i used that demeanor just the demeanor, i probably wouldn't be talking to you about this successful race. >> if you don't become president, will this all have been for nothing? or will you have changed america? >> i will say this. if i don't go all the way and if i don't win, i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy and money.
>> during the same interview he wanted to produce movies which is so interesting, isn't it? he wanted to be in a limelight and he found a way to be in the limelight his whole life. >> my sense is he started off with a notion, entertaining fun thing to do biggest spotlight in the world, i'll do this, have some fun and if it doesn't work out i'll go back to doing other things that have made me successful. but as this is happening, i can do this. it's not that big of a deal. >> i'm very old-fashioned about this. i think there is a respect for the presidency that you have to bring to the process. and part of that is the acquisition of knowledge and learning more about the world and learning what you don't know. >> that's very old-fashioned. >> but i think that that is essential in a president. and i think to have someone who doesn't know what the nuclear
triad is, a subject taught in the 10th grade ant doesn't seem regretful that he doesn't know is very troubling. >> he can learn. >> there's no indication that he has. >> one of the most -- >> to say that south korea we'll give them nuclear weapons. whatever. japan we'll give them nuclear weapons. there is funny at the dinner table provocative. it's funny if you call a talk radio show, saying this is john, i'm calling you, we ought to give those guys nukes. that's fine. but the level of seriousness people actually listen to this. and i think that words have consequences. >> one of the best thing of this country is we have a checks and balances system. not one of -- >> what about when it comes to being commander in chief? >> you're going to have great advisers probably the best military advisers in the world are on our military. they will give him the options and try to advise him in the correct direction. once you see all of the options,
the scariest thing in the world is when they hand you that little card and tell you that you now control the nukes. i remember president regularen saying how much time do i have? soviets have nine submarines off the coast. you have ten minutes before they blow up the oval office. you learn a lot more about the world. and you can't learn it until you get there in some cases. no matter how much you want to read the books and all of the rest of it. some are more sophisticated than others. but until ronald reagan went through a nuclear game and saw that the u.s. could be blown up in five minutes we ended up winning the war but the president was killed and basically 425,000 were fired off and nothing was rubble left in the world. he walked away a changed man. >> the inability to stop yourself from tweeting something you shouldn't tweet, is not like a good test that you should have the little card with
the nuclear codes. >> or the tweeter. >> it's you know, when you're asking like well is someone going to stop you from tweeting. that's like i think we better like maybe take the keys away. it's just, listen, there is something -- we talk about the gravitas of being president. what does that mean? it means one you can trugs to make the hardest decisions imaginable on this planet with consequences that go far beyond you. and that to me is why presidents age the way they age when you see them why they're always tired. and i think why very few presidents criticize other presidents. >> i was going say, look, we're all campaign guys. we're all won races, lost races and we all play to win. and you should.
but maybe one of the most disappointing things i took away from the interview is he said if i lose i would have considered this a tremendous waste of time. >> and money. >> that tells me that it is all about him. in his mind. it is a vanity project. >> that's interesting. >> if you lose -- i hate losing. i've lost races and i hate the feeling. but i don't feel bad for having fought the fight or pushed the agenda. maybe we didn't win that time but we moved the ball down a field a little bit. you've gotten people energized and excited and you go back out there the next time. it's not a waste of time. it's democracy. that really bothered me. >> if you don't stand for anything but election, you don't stand for anything. and so a lot of conservatives, this is very troubling about donald trump and i think this probably has been articulated
well by paul ryan. >> i want to ask you before you go show of hands. how many people at this table think donald trump is going to win the presidency? >> i think he can. >> but if you have to bet. you're at the vegas table. you to choose. red or black. >> tough. >> no prediction? >> i think it's possible. i just don't think it's probable. >> and you guys? >> it's very hard -- >> hillary? i know you don't want her. >> hard for a republican to win nationally now. so you have to do something -- take the votes that were in the last election and grow. politics is about addition. and it's very, very difficult. and i don't see the formulation of that coming together to be able to add new people, keep the ones that we had to win the white house.
>> give you the last word. >> if the democrats win the right race, hillary clinton will be the president and win it easily, handily. if democrats run the wrong race, donald trump could eke it out. i don't think there's an inbetween. i think he wins it narrowly or she wins in a landside. but we can lose it. democrats with clues this if we don't take this seriously. >> thank you all so much. great discussion. >> thank you. carry on regardless. >> amen. every big tv event has a back story and you'll see ours next.
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hi. we're here. thanks for watching everyone. share your thoughts with us on facebook.com/kelly file. i am megyn kelly. this is the kelly file. good night everybody. and welcome to hannity. tonight donald trump clenches the republican nomination. i'm filling in for shawn. the magic number of delegates need hadded to secure the republican nomination and donald trump has 1,023 9. mr. trump talked about clefrming the nomination tonight. >> we had a big day today. today was the day where we hit the 1,237.