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that should be interesting. no b.s. on this, okay. thanks for watching us tonight. please always remember. the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, just hours after the end of the memorial day holiday, america's veterans in a political fight over millions in donations and the race for the white house. good evening, everyone, welcome to the kelly file. i'm meg ayn kelly. an epic news conference. mr. trump trying to put to rest lingering controversy over millions dollars in donations, raised for the men and women in america's armed forces. outside trump tower, a dozen veterans staged a protest against the billionaire republican front-runner. they are accusing him of using them as political props. but inside, standing on the stage behind mr. trump, were his own veteran supporters. >> i would never, ever in a
million years put my name on a candidate that did not from his heart look me in the eye and tell me he's concerned about veterans. that's donald trump. i think the liberal media, and i've been dealing with you a long time, need to get your head out of your butt, focus on the real issues. what donald trump doesn't understand is he cannot buy the votes of veterans in this country. no matter how much he done aipts, he still is not standing for the values that veterans stand for. >> hillary clinton's team making in no secret they're trying to push this controversy to the voters. the campaign unleashing surrogates to highlight what they say are donald trump's past disparaging remarkings about veterans. in moments, we'll be joined by two of the veterans there today. one of whom spoke at the trump event. they have two very different takes on trump. first, we begin with political chief correspondent, carl. >> thanks, a very combative news conference today.
this all goes back really to february when donald trump chose to skip a fox news debate and set up a time that he would instead hold a rally to raise money for veterans. he said it would be nice to raise about $1 million. back then, he said they would look for a number charities to be donating to. as the dollars started rolling in, it was much more than $1 million. ultimately, it got up to several campaign staffers and sometimes mr. trump himself said it was anywhere between 4, 5, 6 or maybe even more millions of dollars. and over time, reporters began to ask which charities got the money, how much, how were those charities selected, were they vetted or not, might be possibility of getting scammed by a bogus veterans organization. and the trump campaign was not forthcoming with very many answers. he blamed the media and said he'd been treated totally unfairly. $5.6 million he's collected. he said there was probably some more coming in. from the original list of about
20 beneficiaries, it went up to more than 40 today. and campaign aides say in the last couple of weeks another million was all doled out. it's over. the money's been given often to charities. donald trump is now blaming the media and essentially saying what they were doing is unfair. the truth of the matter is the clinton campaign has been protesting and driving the matter in the press, saying it was unfair and trump has been stove piping the money and not making it available. the trump campaign argues they were vetting it and needed to make sure it goes to the right people at the right time and now that's been done. both campaigns use vets. notwithstanding their service and patriotic efforts for the country there are plenty of liberal service vets, plenty of conservative vets and they're picking up sides right now. >> carl, thank you. a retired u.s. marine corps first sergeant, republican, new hampshire state representative and veteran adviser to the trump campaign.
raymond curtis is a decorated disabled combat iraq war veteran and part of the vets versus hate movement. thank you guys, for your service and for being here. >> thank you for your service, by the way. >> thank you very much. >> let me start with you, representative. you were there on behalf of trump today. speak to the reporting by the "washington post" and the ap that said trump it not cut those checks, at least half of them, until the past week, after "the washington post" started pressing for where the money had gone. >> right, first, i want to clarify something. i was there on behalf of veterans, okay, who were in need, and donald trump has to be one who supports those veterans. i want to clarify that. as far as the money being sent in today, you know, it takes time to vet. in new hampshire, we have attorney general who is constantly going after veteran groups that are raising money to help veterans. 20 cents of the dollar goes to the veterans. there's so many scams going on there. so it takes time when you're dealing with that.
>> are you suggesting then all these veterans groups, nearly half of them were just cleared coincidentally in the past week since "the washington post" submitted its report? >> what we're doing, we're nitty-gritty, we're picking and choosing. >> it speaks to honesty -- >> we have one of the organizations that trump claims to have fully vetted and donated money to. you can check yourself right now, google, the ratings. >> they have an "f" rating. but apparently that was because they were harassing people to donate and they said that was just our telemarketers and we replaced that telemarketer. >> also 75% of donations goes to something other than veterans. so the 20 cents a dollar you're trying to avoid -- >> he was going to give the money. he was going to give some portion of millions, some millions of dollars to these vets. it does take some time to, you know, vet them. >> absolutely. i think the main point here, for all of us on the grassroots
organization to make a statement and bring light to something not organized by anyone except for alex mccoy, the main point is not about the money. we don't care. you can write us a check for $30 million and give it to a bunch of veterans. that is very wonderful. i am very happy my fellow brothers and sisters who served in the armed forces is going to get that. however, now the issue is transparency. now the issue is honesty. now the issue is integrity. selfless service. a lot of these things are core values of the military that he is not representing. >> trump and his campaign said they had raised $6 million after they had this event and then they don't even have that now. >> i brought in a list. you know, i've done many fund-raisers back then. >> i can tell you about the money -- >> can you take a break there, young man? thank you. >> go ahead. >> i've been to many places where the money -- until the checks clear or the money comes in that people donated on the
phone, that's it. >> right -- >> let me -- >> -- pure coincidence that half of it came in in the past week after "the washington post" did its report, isn't that stretching it a bit? >> we're trying to grab on to things here. this is what they're talking about with hillary clinton -- >> he was out there today -- >> absolutely. >> and you say he's affiliated with hillary. >> yes. >> and her campaign admitted they tried to promote this protest. >> yes. >> are you affiliated with her? did you reach out to the campaign? >> there were many campaigns reached out to by the organizers to get information. >> were they using you as props? >> absolutely not. we started this and we organized this and i worked with perry and alex and so i have this all internalized. all you have to do is simply look very shortly into this and you will quickly see these allegations are untrue and what -- >> but you're a democrat, you're a republican. okay, but what is it about trump that you object to? because, you know, he is whatever you can query the
reasons it took him so long, bub he is getting this money to veterans. >> what is it about trump donating? or what is it about trump in general? >> was there a moment that -- >> absolutely. for a very long time, i tried to stay out of any discussions about this. i don't like to influence other people and how they vote. i like for them to be able to find their own ways and it's just something i fundamentally disagree with. when trump made his statement that he would target the families of terrorist cells, innocent civilians, it gave me pause. i thought, wait, though, let's give them a chance to rescind that. he stood by it. he stood by it in the debate. i went from i'm not going to engage to i must engage. >> quick word. >> he took a personal issue, used veterans as political pawns, instead of talking about the veterans funds that are getting out there. >> -- for speaking out -- >> in the trenches that veterans
need, one dollar is one dollar more that go to veterans issues. thank god we got somebody like trump. >> great to see you both, appreciate it. the republican front-runner was dealing with more today. he was defending his attack on a federal judge. u.s. district court judge gonzalo is presiding over the lawsuit against trump university. a now defunct real estate seminar set up by the candidate about a decade ago. during a campaign speech friday, trump spent more than ten minutes hammering this judge. here is a bit of those remarks. >> have a judge who is a hater of donald trump, a hater. he's a hater. his name is gonzolo cerial. and he is not doing the right thing. i figured what the hell, why not talk about it for two minutes. the judge was appointed by barack obama, federal judge.
frankly, he should recuse himself. the judge who happens to be we believe mexican, which is great, i think that is fine. they ought to look into this judge because it is a total disgrace, okay. but we'll come back in november -- wouldn't that be wild if i'm president, that i come back to do a civil case? >> trace gallagher has more. trace. >> the 381 pages documents related to trump university that were unsealed and made public by a san diego federal judge are essentially playbooks that detail how trump university was run. everything from convincing prospective students to pay up to $35,000 to enroll to teaching them how to use tax breaks and financial shelters to maximize profits. the school's real estate training was said to be blessed by donald trump himself. in fact, trump claims he personally chose the instructors but later in a deposition admitted he didn't pick them, in
fact, didn't even know their names. trump and the school are being sued by a number of students who claim they were defrauded. as you heard in the tirade, trump believes the judge is giving him a raw deal it and the trump campaign is now actively supporting the claim of judicial bias. watch. >> i think what's really interesting about this particular judge, as mr. trump refers to him as a trump hater, he even mentions on his judicial questionnaire he was a larosa lawyers associate member. an organization that has been out there organizing these anti-trump protesters with the mexican flag. they are pushing it -- >> the judge has not responded to mr. trump's tirade but did release a statement saying the defense had not met the bar to keep the documents out of the public eye, saying, quoting, the defendant became the front-runner for the nomination in the 2016 presidential race and has placed the integrity of these court proceedings at issue. the trial date is scheduled for
november 28th. and trump's lawyers say the gop nominee will testify. of course, by then, he could be the president-elect, megyn. >> all right, trace, thank you. an important clarification on what you just heard there about katrina piercing's allegations about this judge. joining me, trump supporter and attorney david wool and ben shapiro, editor in chief at daily wire.com. good to see you both. that allegation by katrina pierson is wrong and i want to correct the record. larosa lawyers association is completely different from the group that's organizing the anti-trump protests, which is national council on larosa. they're not affiliated and they're not the same. that was an error by katrina. having said that, i'll ask you, ben, about the appropriateness of going after a sitting federal court judge and mentioning the fact that, quote, he is mexican, also wrong, he is american, he is not mexican.
>> no, he was born in indiana, but typical trump. it's not a surprise trump is going after people he feels victimized him. this is what he does. to go after the judge on the base of his ethnicity is bizarre. given the fact, again, his ethnicity has nothing to do with the case and demonstrates for trump who has plenty of grounds to go after this judge, he's an obama appointee, the fact he has relationings with groups that trump finds unpleasant, all those are fine, but to go after his ethnicity that demonstrates that for trump there's some bizarre question between the ethnicity of the person and the ideology the person holds. i don't know why him being mexican would be relevant. especially when he's not from mexico. >> david, why would it be? >> i think it's a non sequitur. >> why does he keep mentioning it? over and over on this judge? >> yep, i think his ethnicity is hispanic, he's from indiana. non sequitur. the issue of going after this judge, though, i got to say, how
is this any different than barack obama in 2010 at the state of the union when he ripped supreme court justice sitting right in front of him -- >> also totally out of line. out of line. >> -- he bullied them right in front of them. you know what -- >> so are you justifying that behavior by pointing to other bad behavior? >> i'm just saying -- bill burton, obama's press secretary at the time, you got to listen to this, he said, i'm quoting, one of the great things about our democracy is powerful members of government at high levels can disagree in public and in private and this is one of those instances. this is all it is, he's got the first amendment right. >> really, really? >> it's frustrating him because i reviewed this case -- >> i reviewed this case too. >> it should have been dismissed a long time ago on summary judgment motion no question about it. >> ben is not a lawyer. david and i are lawyers. i disagree with you on that. >> actually, i am a lawyer. >> i'm sorry, ben, i didn't know
that. the court of appeals upheld this. it wasn't all this judge. trump will get his day in court. but to go after the judge as a, quote, mexican, and hater, takes it to a different level, ben. >> well, absolutely and the fact that trump defenders have to rely on barack obama was a bad guy, therefore, if our guy does the exact same thing, it's just doubly as awesome -- >> no, that's not why. >> -- trump campaign, okay so you tell me, david, why is it better that trump did it now that barack obama did? i thought we were running against obama? >> the point is, he said immediately after, i love the mexican people, i've got millions of mexican supporters. he clarified it. don't take it out of context. the majority -- >> i mention it because i want to take this opportunity to express my love for the mexicans. come on. >> you know what, sometimes you have a slip of the tongue and i submit to you -- >> he does it repeatedly! that's the thing that's so crazy about it. don't know why he's doing this.
listen, nobody gives trump a hard time. he says, i don't like this judge. i'm going to win this case. great, fine. what we're debating here is taking it a step further, personalizing, going after the guy's ethnicity and he does it every time. >> you know something, he is a member -- maybe he misconstrued that membership in the larosa lawyers association. i don't know. a lot of speech gone after him because of his border policy. i don't know if he felt this judge should recuse himself because of those issues. >> he doesn't need to recuse himself. >> he demand s the person be removed -- >> no, no, no, right after mr. trump complained last week about the judge, the judge releases the document also metly there after. i submit to you, does that create an appearance of impropriety? it may be up to trumpance
lawyers to file a motion for recusal -- >> all right, so basically you insult the judge and then when the judge does something he's perfectly allowed to do under the law and there's a motion before the court in order to release these documents. so you create the issue and then -- >> hold on, let ben finish. >> okay, so you create the issue and then the only solution is for trump to get what he wants? there's a whole slip of the tongue nonsense. when you tongue keeps slipping in the same direction, there's a little bit of intentionality to it. >> okay, i leave you at home with that mental image. great debate. with trump now having enough delegates to be the republican nominee, there are new questions about what that means for other republican races and whether this man will still be the majority leader, senator mcconnell join us next. plus, one of america's best-loved journalists is being
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republican-controlled senate mitch mcconnell of kentucky. he has a new book out called "the long game" and it's fascinating. great to see you, thank you for being here. so your take on that, disastrous predictions down ballot if trump, when trump is the nominee in november? >> i don't think so. regardless of what happens at the top of the ticket. two nominees here who we know for sure are very unpopular. i think neither one of them can count on a kind of barack obama '08 landslide in which your party sweeps the house and the senate. and they're saying, not only are you president, you can do anything you want to. >> nobody's get a mandate? >> i don't think so. we do have a lot of exposure, 24 members up. but they're very popular incumbents. people like kelly ayotte and toomey and others. >> the number one thing you hear people talk about when they say they support donald trump but they don't really like donald
trump. supreme court vacancies. with the scalia seat. you've said you're not even going to give merit garland a look if it's clear, you know, leading up to november, hillary is, you know, prevailing over trump or she's already won, you're not going to give marric garland a look? >> no vacancy on the supreme court occurring in the middle of an election year has been filled in 80 years. you had to go back to 1888 -- >> you could have gone back to -- >> no, no, this is the principle. does barack obama get to fill the seat, tipping the court to the left, for the next generation? >> what if she's the president-elect? >> let me finish, on the way out the door, a lame duck? no. let the american people speak. let them decide who they want to make this appointment. there's no chance that if
hillary clinton's elected she'll pick anybody to the right of garland. he's not a moderate. barack obama declaring someone a moderate doesn't make him a moderate. you're going to get a liberal security nominee if hillary clinton wins. that's what we got about barack obama. >> so you're ready for that? >> if trump wins, he's already put out a list of people i think are outstanding, currently serving in the federal judiciary. that reason alone is -- determines support. >> let's talk about the book, "the long game," it's a mememoi talking about your childhood battle with polio. and how roger ayles, our boss here at fox news, was really responsible for your entire political career. >> the most competitive guy i've ever known and you see that here at fox. without his creativity, he was doing the commercials in my first long shot race. here's the situation. it was july. the election was in november. i was 30 points behind. we had a strategy meeting and i
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prudential. bring your challenges. breaking tonight, new reaction to donald trump's combative news conference at trump tower today. mr. trump defensed his handling of the donations to veterans. but then he turned his fire on the media and did not hold back. calling out reporters who were sitting just feet away from him. listen. >> you know my opinion of the media is very low. i think the media is, frankly, made up of people that in many cases, not in all cases, are not good people. i didn't want the credit for it, but it was very unfair that the
press treated us so badly. i like scrutiny but you know what when i raised money -- excuse me, excuse me, i've watched you on television, you're a real beauty. what i don't want is to have raised millions of dollars, have people say, like this sleazy guy right over here from abc, he's a sleaze in my book. you're a sleaze because you know the facts and you know the facts well -- >> is this what it is going to be like -- >> yeah, it is. >> brit hume. you know, did trump basically say this is who i am, get used to it? >> well, the one who will have to get used to is trump himself if he gets elected because this scrutiny of the donations he claimed on the very night of the event, back in january, remember, he said on that night that he had already raised $6 million. and then later on, he said it again. and he said it as kind of an applaud line at that event. so for him to say, as he did
today, that, we, he wasn't taking credit for it, he certainly took credit for it on that first night. >> we have that. now today he says he never wanted credit for raising this money. listen. >> if the press writes false stories like they did where i wanted to keep a low profile. i didn't want the credit for raising all this money for the vets. i wasn't looking for the credit. by the way, more money is coming in. wasn't looking for the credit. but i had no choice but to do this. because the press was saying i didn't raise any money for them. we held something in lieu of the debate. i said, let's have a rally for the veterans. we raised in one hour $6 million. is that good? we raised in one hour, listen to this, $6 million. okay. >> just one thing on the vets, during the last debate, i raised $6 million for the vets. i will tell you something -- >> well, there you go. he took credit in that last
sound bite. he said "i raised." so he certainly did take credit for it. and then of course it didn't appear for a time that anybody could account for that, including the trump campaign, which had difficulty saying where the money was, how much had been raised. now today we got a full accounting of how much money there was. it might become that large a number. and he said set forth all the directions in which the money had been sent, which all appears so far to be on the up and up. why he would be so angry about people raising questions about a claim that he made, is strikes me this is what journalists do. this is what we do. we ask questions about the claims politicians make, calling
them names in a way i've never seen a presidential candidate do in my memory. we know that behind the scenes the presidents and presidential candidates fume about media coverage. they all do it and they always have. you rarely seen it in this way, by someone who takes it all so personally. if he has that frame of mind as president, he will have a terribly hard time. >> you say professional skeptics. i say cynical mofos. six one way, hatlf a dozen the other. speaking of the press, katie couric, her documentary "under the gun," has been found to have had some selective editing in it. she came out and said she regrets it now, that it was misleading and she didn't raise her concerns more vigorously. >> she waited so long. when you see what the documentary showed, which was a question posed by her to a group of the people she was doing this
about, and they -- the gun rights advocates. and they sit there as far as the documentary showed in stoney silence. apparently stumped by her question. that didn't happen. this wasn't a matter of something being edited out. what was editing, edited in was the media silence. the documentary, that piece of the documentary was a falsehood. at first, she defended it. why or how she could defend it, i don't understand that. i've known her a long time. abc news, a million years ago. i can't understand it. but what that did was it fed the controversy, which then dragged on for days. until now, finally, she properly apologized for what happened, which was pretty blatant piece of editing. or insertion, i should say. >> now they're admitting it was inserted after the fact. big news today, a possible
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story tomorrow night right here on "the kelly file." so it is known for statement making documentaries. his latest project is no exception. in "hillary's america," he sets out to expose motives by examining what he says is the history of her progressive politics. watch. >> who are these democrats? ♪ >> it is my judgment -- >> -- sentenced on tuesday to spend eight months in a confinement center -- >> it all began when the obama administration tried to shut me up. what did i learn? all crime is about stealing.
the big criminals are still at large. the system doesn't go after them. because they run the system. it's time to go behind the curtain and discover the soul of the democratic party. >> 50 lashes. [ woman screaming ] >> the democrat supports slaves. this civil rights act will allow colored men to sit at the same table beside the white guests. >> ku klux klan. >> to the democratic party -- >> why has this been swept under the rug? >> to cover the tracks of the
democratic party. >> we're not even talking about ancient history. >> the racism went well into the 20th century. >> as long as the black man continues to ravage our white women, we will continue to lynch him. >> you got to give them a little something. >> plantation politics. >> the democrats went from slavery to enslavement. >> corrupt big city bosses. that's how you get corruption unions. what's progressive actually mean? social engineering and social control. >> a large family -- >> -- is to kill it. >> in the opening video, the government is the one thing we all belong to. government belongs to us. we don't belong to it. >> what are these democrats signing? >> this is about buying and selling influence by foreign oligarchs and foreign governments. when you follow the money, there
are very few coincidents. >> what if the goal of the democratic party is to steal the most valuable thing the world has ever produced? what if their plan is to steal america? ♪ who will stop them now? >> so he's a fan of hillary's and joining me now to discuss it is the film's creator and executive producer dinesh d'souza. she might get your vote? >> in my obama film four years ago, i focused just on obama because he was an unknown guy. no one knew much about him. in this fill, we focus on hillary to be sure but we also focus on the whole history of
progressivism and the democratic party. so we're telling an unknown story of american politics. and it's going to roil up this race, i'll tell you that. >> this is a point we hear made fairly often about the democrat's history when it comes to race issues in particular. one that doesn't get that much of a spotlight. if you listen to folks today, it's the republicans, the republicans are the racist part against blacks and the democrats are the opposite. >> yeah, and i think this is going to be the attack on trump. he's a racist, he's a sexist, he hates immigrants, et cetera. i think it's important to know the democratic party historically has been the party of segregation, of jim crow, of lynching, of the ku klux klan, forced sterilization, the interment of the japanese after world war ii. it's an unbelievably sordid history. it's all been covered up and the blame has switched to the very
party, republicans, who fought to end slavery, who proposed anti-lynching laws throughout the 20th century. there's an unbelievable inversion that's gone on. >> in today's america where republicans don't tend to support affirmative action and don't want, you know, certain civil rights laws to be extended, that's, you know, that's what the other side uses to tar them with the, you know, racist accusation among other things. >> yeah, you know, megan, as late as the civil rights movement of the '60s, the civil rights movement never would have gone through without republican support. more republicans voted for the civil rights act of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965, and the fair housing bill of 1968, the democrats. the main opposition to civil rights came from democrats. and this, too, has been part of the history that most americans don't know. >> fascinating. we talked the last time you were here about your suggest they tried to shut you up and the big
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a holiday weekend incident at the cincinnati zoo is raising serious questions about responsibility. these parents had to look on helplessly when their 4-year-old son fell into the gorilla exhibit. a rare gorilla dragged the child around for nearly ten minutes. worried the boy's life was in danger, a zoo keeper shot and killed the gorilla and touched off a national debate. mike eiglarsh, former criminal defense attorney. they're with me now. they're confirming, the prosecutor, that the incident is under investigation. ma they are considering is whether the parents and the family of the child should face any criminal charges. mark, should they? >> absolutely not.
listen, this was a tragedy, and unless there's evidence of them hoisting their child over the protective wall saying, go have fun, mama wants you to go play with the gorilla, you don't bring criminal charges. civil responsibility, maybe. not criminal charges. >> arthur? >> there's something called the thing speaks for itself. so if a 3-year-old is able to get into the gorilla area, obviously there was some negligence there. obviously it wasn't good enough. i mean, if the kid could do it -- >> negligence on whose part, arthur? >> on the zoo. >> on the zoo or the parents? >> if a 3-year-old could get in there unassisted by an adult, obviously somebody did something wrong. i'm not saying the parents should sue the zoo. i don't think anybody should sue anybody. how about that? how about the law doesn't have to get involved with all these issues. an investigation needs to be done so it doesn't happen again. >> change.org petition calling for the boy's parents to be held accountable for their actions of not supervising him, has over
100,000 signatures, mark. >> megyn, what parent hasn't gone through the horror of temporarily losing their child for a second or two? i talked to my mother tonight, she said she lost my kids at disney world. i learned that for the first time. it happens, megyn. >> yeah. >> it does. it doesn't mean you're a bad parent or should be stripped of your liberty like arthur's suggesting. >> people upset this gorilla was shot, this 17-year-old gorilla, endangered species was shot. he didn't do anything wrong. they don't think they had to use a fatal shot on him. >> they don't know what they're talking about. >> unless the kid was injured, if that gorilla would take less than one second to kill that child, even unintentionally. you had no choice in those circumstances. it stinks. it's thoshorrible. >> go ahead, mark. >> it would have taken ten minutes for the tranquillizer to work. it doesn't work like you see on television. if that was anyone's child, they would have wanted that gorilla gone. >> people are pointed to an incident in 1986, jersey zoo, a 5-year-old boy fell into the
gorilla enclosure, fractured his arm, but the gorilla stroked his back until -- >> who's willing to take that chance with their child? what human being who's a parent of a 3-year-old is going to say, let's give it a shot and see what happens. i'm sorry. as a parent, you're going to want to do whatever you got to do to save your own kid. >> of course. >> do you think, mark, this family will sue the zoo? you know some lawyer is going to call them up and tell them they should. >> absolutely not. then the zoo then will counter sue saying, listen, had you not watched your child -- they're going to learn their lesson and raise their level of awareness. >> i think mark's right. you know how much money the zoo is going to lose by not having the attraction? the gorilla was a big attraction. 17-year-old. beautiful, beautiful animal. that was a main viewing point for people at the zoo. >> so sad. >> horrible. >> you got to watch them every moment. guys, good to see you both. we'll be right back.
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from ucla then went to harvard and graduated cum laude from harvard law school. summa cum laude, cum laude. the radio laude. name that movie. tonight -- >> on behalf of the vets the press should be ashamed of themselves. >> donald trump fires back against liberal media attacks. >> they're call me and they're furious. plus national polls show trump in a dead heat with hillary clinton. his presumptive republican nominee is here tonight with reaction. then bill kristol tries to launch a third-party candidate to stop donald trump. >> bill kristol is a -- >> would an independent candidate help secure the election for hillary clinton? laura ingraham, herman cain, they'll weigh in. and the debate rages on. did zookeepers do the right thing by killing the gorilla at the cincinnati zoo? "hannity" starts right