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i'm king of the world. ♪ >> continuing coverage of muhammad ali's death here on fox news channel. log on to "fox & friends."com for the after the show, show. good-bye, everyone. you know how good i am. i don't have to tell you about my strategy. my trainer can tell you. tell them. what are we going to do? >> float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. rumble, young man, rumble. ha. >> a lot of us grew up with sound bites like that. saying good-bye to a legend this morning. muhammad ali. fighting his entire life, first from inside the ring as a heavyweight champion and then outside the ring as he entered a battle against parkinson's for more than 30 years. the man who famously proclaimed himself the greatest of all time is now at rest. dead at the age of 74. he was an inspiration to the likes of so many, including
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evander holyfield who will be here in a moment. good morning, everyone. i am david asman in for neil cavuto and this is a special edition of "cost of freedom." the flags are about to be lowered in his hometown of louisville, kentucky. that's where muhammad ali was born. we begin with matt fin who is outside the hospital where he was being treated for a respiratory condition. go ahead. >> good morning, david. a somber sunrise here in arizona. we've seen people coming and going, leaving behind candles and gifts. boxing gloves. there was a strong presence of security throughout the night. at one point there was a dozen security and police officers in front of the main entrance. the security presence has now diminished. a short while ago we talked to a friend of muhammad ali. a friend of 35 years who was with him in his final hours and listen to what he told us.
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>> reporter: he said that -- unfortunately muhammad ali was able to speak up until his final hours. many people did not realize that he said in the -- as he woke up in the morning, before he took his medication, muhammad ali was able to talk, that he was watching news and he was talking about current events and that the family, while they dealt with his illness for decades, did not see this coming. they thought he would have been able to fight this respiratory illness that he apparently died from. here in phoenix the boxing legend helped found the muhammad ali parkinson's center at a neurological hospital nearby which aims to help those who are also stricken with parkinson's disease. we expect to hear for information from the family at a media availability in phoenix in a few hours. we should get more information on the burial process. as you mentioned he'll be buried in louisville, kentucky, his home town.
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we haven't heard directly from the family since the death. on thursday just before muhammad ali died, his daughter posted to facebook saying that they feel the love and they appreciate everyone's well wishes. back to you, david. >> matt finn, thank you very much. speaking of his daughter. before his passing his daughter spent many times sitting down with other own neil cavuto. we'll play a tape of that. first. let's go back to louisville as they lower the flag for muhammad ali. >> the greatest of all time, muhammad ali. as you all know, he was much more than a boxer. he was much more than a sportsman. he was a great humanitarian. he was a great ambassador for the city of louisville and for the world. today, for many of us, is a sad day. but it's also a day to celebrate the life of a great human being. i agree.
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that's right. so in that regard, i'm going to turn the podium over to our great mayor, greg fisher, the mayor of louisville, kentucky. thank you. [ applause ] >> honor guard, present the colors.
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>> color guard. present. >> muhammad ali. lived a life so big and bold, it's hard to believe that any one man could do everything he
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did. to do all the things he became in the course of just one lifetime. this man, this champion, this louisvilleian ended his 74 years yesterday as a united nations messenger of peace, a humanitarian and champion athlete, who earned amnesty international's lifetime achievement award. the presidential medal of freedom. sports illustrated's sportsman of the century. he was co-founder with his beloved wife lonnie of the muhammad ali center which promotes respect, hope and understanding here in his hometown of louisville and around the world. a man of action and principle. he was a conscientious objector to the vietnam war and willingly paid the price, taking a stand that forced him out of the ring for over three years during the
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prime time of his career. a devout muslim, an inner-faith pioneer. he took the name muhammad ali in 1964 and advocated for understanding and peace among people of different faiths. he was, of course, three-time heavyweight champion of the world. a young, handsome fighter with swagger, like the world had never seen. he intimidated opponents outside the ring and dominated them inside the ring. like when he predicted he would beat sonny liston in 1964. made it happen and shouted "i shook up the world." winner of the olympic gold medal in rome, 1960. a graduate of louisville's
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central high school, class of 1960. he was a 12-year-old boy whose red bicycle was stolen in front of a gym about a mile down fourth street and who told police officer joe martin that he wanted to whoop whoever took it. and martin said, you better learn to box first. muhammad ali was a boy who grew up at 3302 grand avenue, about three miles that way. he liked to eat hot dogs and play "clue" with his brother rudy in a house that's now a museum. and before that, he was a newborn baby. cassius marcellus clay jr. born january 17th, 1942 to cassius senior and odessa grady clay. imagine that day. that little boy.
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eyes wide open, looking around the room at the old louisville general hospital. not knowing the life that awaited him. the life he would make. the world he would shake up, and the people he would inspire. and like you, i am absolutely one of those people. muhammad ali belongs to the world, but he only has one hometown. [ applause ] the louisville lip spoke to everyone. but we heard him in a way no one else could. as our brother, our uncle, and our inspiration. and i am so grateful that i had the chance to know him and see how he leveraged his fame to share his message of love, peace
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and compassion. what the champ would want us to do right now is to spread that same message, follow his example, and live by the same six core principles that he lived by. confidence, conviction, dedication, giving, respect, and spirituality. i would like to close with muhammad's words which carried just as much grace and power as his fists ever did. this comes from his book "the soul of a butterfly, reflections on life's journey." quote, it doesn't matter whether you're a muslim, a christian, or a jew. when you believe in god, you should believe that all people are part of one family. if you love god, you can't love only some of his children. he believed passionately in the need for us all to keep our eyes, our minds, and our hearts
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open so we can keep learning from each other. as he said, my soul has grown over the years, and some of my views have changed. as long as i am alive, i will continue to try to understand more because the work of the heart is never done. we all remember that incredible moment in 1996 when the champ held that burning torch in his trembling hands and lit the olympic flame in atlanta. and now, he has passed that torch to us. while there can only be one muhammad ali, his journey from grand avenue to global icon serves as a reminder that there are young people with the potential for greatness in the houses and neighborhoods all over our city, our nation, and our world. there is no limit to what our
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kids can do if we help them realize their full human potential. [ applause ] and there is no excuse for us to do anything less than our best to help them find that greatness in themselves. that's how we become champions. muhammad ali has shown us the way. today we, his fellow louisvillens join the billions whose lives he touched worldwide in mourning his passing, celebrating his legacy and saying, thank you, muhammad, for everything you've given to your hometown, your country, and your world. to close our ceremony and honor the life of muhammad ali, the louisville metro police will now present the colors of the united
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states of america and will lower the flags in tribute to muhammad ali. thank you, everyone. [ applause ] . just before you were listening to louisville, connecticut, mayor greg fisher. i think he brought together a
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lot of important points from the life of muhammad ali, who was, of course, born, raised and graduated from high school in louisville and learned to fight in louisville, kentucky. his wife as inextricably connected to that town and, of course, none were more proud of his accomplishments than the people of louisville. they're about to lower the flag to half-mast. it's a great honor for the boxer. but of course, no honor would be too great from the people of louisville, who took such pride in this man, who had such extraordinary accomplishments. all began in early '60s when he was at the olympics. many people forget he did have a brief career as an amateur athlete before he became a professional athlete. but it was really 1964 when he beat sonny liston that he appeared on the stage. it was two years before that that my next guest was actually born. evander holyfield who is the
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only five-time heavyweight champion of the world. owes a lot to what he learned from watching muhammad ali virtually his entire life. he joins us now on the phone. evander, tell us what you learned from muhammad ali. >> well, the big thing is it started when i was 8 years old. when i was 8 years old i was told that i could be like ali. i would say in black history week they talk about ali and jackie robinson. he told me i could be like ali. he asked me what do i think. i tell them i have to ask my mom. i asked my mom and my mom said, well, yeah. they going to hit you. like this. my mother told me, the golden rule. listen. do not quit. my mother said it was all right to be like somebody who have -- who has set goals and -- and all
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of a sudden i found that ali went to the olympics. and i made the olympics just like ali. you know. he was the heavyweight champion of the world three times. i did it five. but the most important thing was -- it was 1996 when i carried the torch into the olympics. i was wondering who would be this person who everybody thought was better. and it was ali. and when i found that all the things he did not only in the ring, outside the ring, it was -- that's what life was really about. >> the extraordinary thing about muhammad ali in reading up about his life is how much of what he did out of the spotlight. he wasn't one of those guys who liked to pat himself on the back for being a great philanthropist.
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he did a lot outside of the spotlight for private charities and a whole lot of stuff. >> that's -- that's -- it was amazing to realize that one man could accomplish all these things. and a lot of times we -- i looked at him as a fighter. i find out that he was more than a fighter. 1996 when they let the whole world know what you let this man who lit the torch. and i realized, i got a lot of work to do. life is about, you know, people who before you and what do they do and how do you take what they have done and take it to another level. >> evander, did you actually look at his -- at videos of his fights, study them and try to m
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emulate them somehow? >> what my coach told me -- he said ali's heart was the biggest thing. that here is a man that believed in what he was doing. and of course, in the point of doing it, you practice. my coach was telling me, it worked for him, but this may not work for you because you ain't in his time. in his time he had to do that. he came in the era where that this is how it was. so the era of change in life, and people changing. ain't no sense in trying to, you know -- you can hope that you -- you the first person to do something when somebody already done it. you take from that and take it to another level. so i understood that all of these things that he stood up for that before him, didn't nobody stand up. ali was the person who stood up for a lot of the things that other people didn't have confidence to do. >> you just mentioned the one
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word, which is confidence. nobody had the confidence of muhammad ali. that was something that he seemed to have even before his fights. even before he proved himself in the ring. his confidence stood out and was absolute. >> well, yep. people don't know, to want -- to be the center of attention and -- and the exposure that you get. but can you handle the exposure. he handled it real well. >> did you learn from that? i know everybody is different. everybody has their own experiences and their own style. but the way he handled winning. sometimes fighters don't handle it well. as you said, he did. could you learn from that? >> of course. of course you did. from every situation you -- there are some points that you look at and say, well, what -- what could i have done to have made this better.
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but at that time, this is -- this is the way the world was at the time. the world is always changing because that's what growth is. change. >> yeah. >> growth is change. and can people get acust ocustoo change. how many times does one have to change, like this. but love is changing. >> he had to change. so many times he had to change, from changing from being the heavyweight champion of the world to losing his title, to getting back in ring. of course, then his fight with parkinson's, evander holyfield. five-time heavyweight champion of the world. we thank him so much for joining us. >> thank you. before ali's passing his daughter, rasheda spent many times sitting down with neil cavuto talking about her father's battle. >> a lot of people, neil, they try to work as long as they can
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with this debilitating condition and try not to tell people because it interrupts their source of income. even my dad was a little shy when he was diagnosed. parkinson's symptoms are very subjective but one of his symptoms was slurred speech. here he was so famous for his big mouth. that's what he was known for. all of a sudden he is getting, you know, a little bit quieter and quieter. it's hard. >> you were nonstop helping him. i think you even acknowledged one time, it might be too late to address things for my dad. i don't want to see -- how did you put it? i didn't want to see others have to deal with this. >> my dad is so famous. he uses his name to help causes like this. i take advantage of my last name because i want to help. a lot of people out there who have ms and parkinson's and als, they don't have a voice. they are not so fortunate. i am their voice. i want to help them.
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because -- i thank you, neil, for having me on to talk about this. >> you have been around as his disease as progressed and everything. he must get frustrated or is he now sort of resigned to this and the progression of this? >> my dad has -- number one, i have never personally seen or heard him complain about anything. i don't know how he does it. i am around a lot of parkinson's patients because i what i do. he never complains. at least i have never heard him complain. i think he has always said he doesn't really have regrets. even when it comes to parkinson's. so i kind of -- i am inspired by that. a lot of people have regrets, but he doesn't. i think he thinks there is a reason why he was diagnosed with this, and maybe he thought he could help millions of people all over the world. >> muhammad ali's daughter rashida. she tweeted, the greatest man that ever lived, daddy, my best friend and my hero. you're no longer suffering, and now you're in a better place. we have with us now ben
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carson, who was not from the field of boxing but i am sure has thoughts of his own about the passing of muhammad ali. what did he mean for you as you were growing up, dr. carson? >> well, as a kid growing up in detroit, i along with everybody else was enthralled by, you know, the way that he spoke. he was very articulate. and at a time, you know, when the civil rights movement was in full swing and people had all kinds of different impressions of what blacks were like, you know, he made it clear that he wasn't taking a back seat to anybody. and i think a lot of people took pride in that. and he used his fame, you know, later on, you know, for good causes. so even though, you know, as a neurosurgeon i probably would not be a great advocate of doing things to injure the brain, he used it in a positive way. >> he sure did.
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of course, it's most likely that his parkinson's was caused by the traumatic brain injury of being in the ring for so long, so many brutal fights. but what about his political views? and he was -- he was sort of standing in contrast to the more moderate civil rights leaders like dr. king even though he did work with dr. king a short time before dr. king was assassinated. did you take sides in that issue at all? >> well, you know, he had -- he had the right instincts in terms of trying to create a situation of equality for everybody. you know, he perhaps sometimes aligned himself with more radical elements, but i think his motives were correct. and over the course of time, as he matured, i think he began to modify those views in a very positive way. >> yeah. he did indeed and in fact became a moderating voice in the whole nation, the worldwide nation of
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islam and condemned both al qaeda and isis absolutely. there was no -- no hesitation in his condemnation of violence in islam. >> there is probably a lot that some others could take from that in the muslim community. there are a lot of wonderful people in the muslim community. i grew up in detroit. and you know, someone is going to have to really begin to take a stand, a strong stand, and i think that will encourage others. but, as you probably know right now, if you take a stand in that community, there can be some really significant ramifications for you. >> indeed there can. let's talk about violence and the way it's kind of bled into the political sphere, particularly in the last couple of days and in particular in san jose where a number of trump supporters were attacked by these protesters. i don't even want to use the word "protesters" because clearly they were looking for a fight. the san jose mayor, as you might
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know, has blamed donald trump for the fact that some of these protesters have attacked trump supporters. what do you make of that? >> i think they're looking in the wrong place to place the blame. many of these agitators have been seen at several different sites, which means that they are probably being sponsored by somebody. and if that is the case, that's where the investigation should go. and if we can find out that there is a group behind them who is sponsoring this kind of activity, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> who should be prosecuting? of course, the mayor of san jose is not going to do it. he is actually blaming donald trump for what happened to trump's supporters. who should be involved in that? the justice department? >> the justice department should be. you know, if in fact, you know, they can relinquish any political ties and start
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thinking that they are working for the people and for the good of the people -- and of course, that's been a problem over the last several years. and it may have to wait until there is a new justice department. >> all right. well, switching gears a little bit. there is a new controversy that i am sure you're aware of about trump-speak, if you will. donald trump talking about an african-american in the crowd. i think we have the sound bite from that, which is creating a flurry of activity on twitter and all of the social media sites. let's play the tape. >> we had a case where we had an african-american guy who was a fan of mine, great fan, great guy! in fact, i want to find out what's going on with him. you know what i'm -- look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? do you know what i'm talking about? okay. >> all right. now, i put that down as kind of the trump speech. that's the way he says things, does things. a lot of people say "my
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african-american" was a slur to all african-americans. you say what? >> i say much to-do about nothing. we've spent so much time, you know, analyzing everything that everybody says and trying to ascribe some nefarious notion to it that we don't listen. and we don't solve our problems. if we continue along this line, what is going to happen to us as a society? everybody has to screen so carefully everything they say because somebody is going to be phenomenon offended. now it's to the point where if you don't say something, what did you mean if you didn't say something. we have to move beyond this. it's going to require some type of leadership that allows us to focus on the big picture so we're not always nitpicking everything. >> is donald trump winning that war, the battle of the political correctness? >> it's a tough battle.
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let me tell you. you have to understand what political correctness is all about. it's about imposing a blanket of silence on the society while you change it from beneath the cover, from beneath the blanket. if you get nobody protesting and nobody complaining about it, you can move very rapidly to change it. just think about it the fact that, 30 years ago if someone had tried to describe america today to you, you wouldn't have believed them. you would say, get out of here. that's not america. that's how quickly it is changing. it will continue to change that quickly if we allow the veil of political correctness to prevail. >> dr. ben carson, of course, was a presidential candidate. is now rooting for donald trump. dr. carson, wonderful to see you again. thank you very much for coming in. we appreciate it. now on the phone with us, george foreman, former heavyweight boxer who had an incredible fight with muhammad ali. i'm sure has a lot to say about
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muhammad ali's passing. george, great to talk to you again. in general your thoughts about the passing of "the greatest"? >> no better words to describe muhammad ali, "the greatest." you got into the ring with him, and you expected to beat up a guy, beat up a fighter, of which i had beaten everybody. this time i had gotten into the ring with this phenomenon. there was no way he was going to lose. that's the way he felt about life. no way he was going to lose. bigger than any cliche. he was the greatest. >> it was 1974. it was called the rumble in the jungle. it was in africa, in what was then called zaire. i understand you hit him with everything you had, and you were a big guy. your punches knocked out a lot of folks. were you surprised that he was able to keep standing up? >> shocked is a better word. i was shocked. i hit him with everything. about the sixth round, he -- a little earlier he started
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whispering in my ear, is that all you got, george? is that all you got? >> did that scare you? did that intimidate you? >> yeah. that was a horrible situation because that was all i had at that time. i tell you, i had never been into the ring with known tougher in my life. to say he was the best fighter would be a put-down to muhammad ali. he was bigger than boxing. he was bigger than boxing. i mean, for us to talk about him as a boxer is a put-down. the man was something special. in china, africa, japan, europe, everywhere. the name was ali, ali. i got so tired of that, but after a while i realized, they loved him. the whole world loved this man. and it wasn't about boxing. they didn't care if he won or lost. they loved him. >> he was -- he was the most famous person in the world. i don't think there is anybody in the world who has ever been more famous, at least in my
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lifetime. back to his technique. he has been given a lot of credit for his dancing in the ring. he was so light on his feet. like a lightweight, not a heavyweight. you said he had a hell of a punch as well and his punch was often discounted and shouldn't have been. >> ha! of all the people to testify about his punching power, that right hand that he was not supposed to have, i got hit with it and so quick i was on the canvas listening to the referee count, one, two, three. i had never expected to be hit so hard and so quickly, more than anything. the man was a giant in the ring, but even bigger outside the ring. >> yeah. talk a little bit about that. because i know you went through a major transformation, sort of a personality transformation as you came into a deeper understanding of god and your life and so forth. and you were a tough guy back then. you were kind of hard emotionally. did he play any role in
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softening you up there? >> well, he didn't help it by knocking me down and beating -- i couldn't beat the count in zaire, africa. that had a lot to do with my being humble. i never kept photographs in my home of boxing. after ten years. the one photograph of being knocked out by muhammad ali was the highlight of my house. people thought, why are you putting that out? why would you display that? i said first of all this is one of the greatest men i had ever been in the ring with. secondly. it keeps me humble. >> that's extraordinary. you actually applauded the fact that he knocked you down and put the picture up as a testament to that honor. >> i became a minister and i would preach on the street corners, 315 pounds. i cut my hair off. my beloved mustache was gone. nobody knew me. when i started talking, yes, i
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mat fought muhammad ali. yes, he knocked me down. people started listening to me. so he became a better part of my life and made great contributions in my life beyond my boxing days. he helped my ministry. >> how did he actually help your ministry, that would come as a shock to some people. a christian helped by a muslim. >> nobody recognized me because i had gotten so big. i cut my afro. i had a zero. i cut my mustache. they didn't know me. whenever i brought up that story, people would stop. even if they were getting ready to get on the bus, they would stop and listen to me on the street corners. that was an aid to my ministry. that most famous name really helped me. >> george foreman, what a pleasure talking to you again. you're always welcome to our network and our shows. again, our thoughts go with you and all those who had personal contact -- of course nobody had as directly personal contact with muhammad ali as you did.
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george foreman. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. most he know the kinship between muhammad ali and malcolm x. he also shared a bond with martin luther king jr., together fighting for civil rights. joining us is the niece of martin luther king and daughter of a.d. king. dr. king, good to talk to you again. how are you? >> great, david. hello viewers, it's wonderful to say hello to everyone. >> we've talked before, in the past half hour, about this kind of dichotomy in the 1960s civil rights movement between the work your uncle did and the work of more radical folks like malcolm x and the nation of islam, to which muhammad ali was a member. there did come a time when muhammad ali and your uncle and dr. king came together. i think it was in louisville itself where muhammad ali grew up, right? >> well, actually that's true. i met muhammad ali as cassius clay through my father refer
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rend a.d. king, the pastor of zion baptist church. a.d. king and m.l., martin luther king, as brothers they ministered together and were civil rights leaders together. that's the time when cassius clay began to follow and listen to what dr. martin luther king jr. was saying as well. it was a wonderful time. he was also a contemporary with elvis presley. i agree with mr. foreman. he was a good boxer and very modest. he then came into america's kitchens with a great way to cook too. the reason we're not sad. we can remember him saying "i'm the greatest" certainly he was a great boxer. but a man of character. he loved families and children. he was an amazing man. so during the time i was a teenager, about to get married, several months after my uncle was killed, as a matter of fact. but meeting muhammad ali.
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his character, his strength. even today his legacy. i believe his daughter is a boxer. i saw her on a cooking show recently as well. so i tell you, but he was a man of faith. he believed in god, actually. he had a christian mother. so his relationship certainly we know with malcolm x. but with martin luther king jr., a baptist preacher. a.d. king, a baptist preacher. so he was a man, muhammad ali, of strength, integrity and character. i was young so we were all, ooh, ali. this and that. it was wonderful during those days. i followed him throughout his whole life. >> tell me how it was that he shifted from the more radical views of the nation of islam who after all consider white people devils and were the opposite of the integrationists of your uncle and your father. how did he switch from the radical separatist to a more
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integrationist view? >> well, what you have to remember, he was really a friend of malcolm x along with martin luther king jr. and my dad, a.d. malcolm x himself, after he went to mecca and he came back, he said, i can't hate people because of the color of their skin, when they believe what i believe. so ali following and understanding and listening to malcolm x, that's how some of that transformation occurred. i believe also, within my heart deeply, that the christian message we learned from martin luther king jr. also was impacting him. he was a complex man, a brilliant man in his craft. but a very dedicated and devoted man. he was actually a loving man. he was fierce in that ring as mr. foreman said. >> oh, yes. >> however, i believe he loved humanity. i really do. >> he sure did. there were so many things, again, in the spotlight and outside of the spotlight that
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prove that. dr. king, always a pleeasure to talk to you. thank you for coming in. it's a difficult transition to go from muhammad ali to what's happening in our political sphere. muhammad ali did get involved somewhat in it. we'll talk to the founder and director of university of virginia center of politics. larry. muhammad ali actually did get into -- a little bit into the political fray in december of 2015. shortly after donald trump mentioned his ban on muslims, or at least a temporary ban on some of the muslims coming here from the middle east. muhammad ali saying that was a terrible idea. never mentioned donald trump by name but he did venture a little bit into the field of politics. >> david, he actually got involved at various points in politics. he would do it for candidates he really believed in. i know here as a virginiian, i
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remember he was very involved in the history-making campaign of douglas wilder who became the very first elected african-american governor in all of american history in 1989. >> let me stop you there. it kind of relates to what i was talking to dr. king about, which is how interesting a shift in the life of muhammad ali it was from a separatist nation of islam view to one which was very inclusive. governor wilder was one of the most moderate governors i think virginia has ever seen. he was absolutely the epitome of moderation. >> absolutely. doug wilder might say maybe he helped with that transition. maybe it's age, david. it happens to us all. as we get older we listen to other points of view and we tend to moderate or at least shave down the rough edges that we all have when we're young. >> the rough edges are still showing themselves pretty clearly in the current battle.
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of course, we were -- we were talking to others in this half hour about how that showed itself in the -- what turned into just short of a riot in san jose. do you think that gets any worse, the sharp edges, or are incidents like what happened in san jose sort of a lesson that will force democrats to lean on the more violent protesters and maybe force the trump supporters to do the same? >> david rn i am worried about . i have been for months. i think the elements are there to produce a lot of disruption, demonstration, rioting. i hope and pray that that doesn't happen. i think the two conventions will give us a hint of what the summer is going to be like. i remember growing up in the '60s in the long, hot summers we used to call them. i don't think it will be anything like that. it won't be nearly as severe. but i do think we're going to have to get used to disruptions
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at public rallies probably for both sides all the way to november. i regret that, but it's reality. >> now, we're looking again at this picture of the woman who was egged. there was actually some violence much worse than that where people were tackled. grandparents essentially were shoved around. one person was punched. who are these protesters? some of them carried "bernie" signs. that's not to put the blame on bernie central. are they -- are they just anarchists out for a fight, or are they a fringe movement of the democratic party that the democratic party should be leaning on more? >> well, i think democrats have to condemn them, and most of the democrats i saw, the senior democrats, did exactly that and said that, in fact, they were hurting the democratic cause, not helping it. that's always true. you know, these demonstrators, at least the ones who have any sense, really ought to talk to their parents and grandparents
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and have a little protest 101 lesson. because protests can help your cause if you clearly identify why you are concerned and what you think ought to be done about it. your protests can also damage your cause if you do silly, stupid things like we see many of these protesters do. so here is where, as i say, people who have been through the '60s can actually help some of these people, if they care to listen. i suspect some don't care to listen. >> we have to go, but 1968. the chicago demonstration. a lot of people say the violence in the streets of chicago led to richard nixon becoming president. would you agree, quickly? >> absolutely. look, hubert humphrey left the democratic convention 23 points behind richard nixon. he lost by one point. you had better believe it made a difference. >> larry sabato. great to see you.
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of a later transcript even though it was clear. when they were asked about it, the white house says, no, it's because they couldn't understand what josh is saying. we played a videotape of it earlier on fox news, and you could clearly hear. it was one lie on top of another. it's beginning to pile up. >> it is beginning to pile up. even though the mainstream media is ignoring it, the whole web world is alive with it because, after all, that ben rhodes, when he told the "new york times" that they had been spinning this thing from the beginning, they knew how to spoon-feed organizations and reporters, to take the party line on it, so this is part of a larger script. i think, when people look back -- i don't think you even have to wait for history. i think this november it's going to hurt her if she is the nominee. hillary clinton is the nominee. it will do her enormous harm. it's all a part about you can't trust anything these people say. >> you know, we're told as kids that, if you lie about a lie, it creates another lie and then you
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have to add another lie on top of that to cover -- i mean, that's what's beginning to happen. there is only one person who has been trying to cut through the lies, as far as i can tell from the administration, and that's the current state department spokespers spokesperson, admiral john kirby. he was the one who actually found out that the tape had been edited on purpose. there is admiral kirby. he seems to have the backbone to say, what we did was wrong. we shouldn't have done it. does he have the backbone to pursue this and find out who called for the edit. >> the question is does he have the power to do it. he can make an inquiry. the state department has already made it very clear, david, one, they say rules weren't violated as if lying was a good thing. two, they made it very clear they're not going to look hard to see who did the thing. they have no interest in it. so they're going to hope the thing fades away. i don't think it will fade away any more than hillary clinton's
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emails are going to fade away. >> admiral kirby says he won't let it fade away, that he's going to stick to it and find out who did it. we take him at his word. he may have to resign if in fact this thing doesn't turn out that way. steve, we have to leave it at that. thank you very much for being here. appreciate it. will setting our flag on fire only backfire on the anti-trump protesters involved. governor mike huckabee is here with more on that. . . . .
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in san jose, we had an amazing packed crowd and it was a love fest inside. no problems whatsoever. walk out and they get accosted by a bunch of thugs, burning the american flag.
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burning the american flag. and you know what they are, they're thugs. >> it's hard to disagree with him on that. donald trump calling protesters thugs for attacking his supporters this week and it's not the first time we've seen it. now governor huckabee saying that trend could backfire, actually helping elect the very guy they are protesting. good to see you. do you think that the democratic party has any influence over these thugs at all or perhaps are there elements within the democratic party supporting them? >> one thing we know is that they haven't been as quick to condemn. and as exclusive in condemning the protesters. the san jose mayor -- >> john podesta was quick to condemn them and hillary took
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her time. go ahead. zpl i think bernie later said something, but it was kind of the equivocation almost like well, let's tell the the israelis to calm down as well as the palestinians. even though one side started it. i think it's a little ridiculous to blame donald trump for this. these are anarchists. when trump said they were thugs, that's the most polite thing you can say when people burn the american flag and wave a mexican flag. i don't know where you know, how that will work in san joerks but i'm going to tell you something, where i come from, you go around burning the american flag and waving the mexican flag and everybody wants to know who were those people and who are they for because i'm against him. >> is it going to follow democrats, is it going to follow democrat, these violent protests, to philadelphia, where they have their convention? we remember in 1968, the democratic convention.
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they came and essentially led the richard nixon's election. >> well, you know, it comes back to who parented these people. my mother used to say, were you raised by wolves? i want to say to these people, were you raised by wolves? for gosh sake, protesting is an american sport, but throwing things at people and beating up cops and pelting women and scaring the daylights out of them. that's not america. that's not what we're about. we're about protecting the rights of people for free speech. not seeing if we can squelch free speech. these are not people who are exhibiting best of america. they're exhibiting something that is anti america and i think we need to call it that. this is anti americanism. >> i think a lot of americans would agree. wonderful to see you again. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> well, here's a question, why
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and i'm still the fastest, the prettiest, the most classic, the most scientific, the greatest fighter of all time. >> and i don't think anybody would disagree. muhammad ali, who died last night in scottsdale, arizona. at the age of 74 and the whole world is mourning his passing. on the phone, jane killroy, ali's former personal business manager. mr. killroy, thank you very much. very sad for your loss and tell us exactly what it was about muhammad ali that dif wrennuated him from the world. >> i've been the blessed man to be able to travel with this guy.
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i've been a white man by the nation of islam, been accepted by ali's family, his parents, his children and i'm the honored man, but he was such a, when you see him on shell tel vision and he's promoting the fights, he was a shy, humble guy. i remember telling joe frazier, joe, you don't have to say nothing. just promote the fight. but i had the privilege to introduce him into many people. the kennedys, hank stram and i introduceded him to carl malone, one of the greatest basketball players that ever lived and carl was shy around ali. they sat there and discussed the current events and what can we do to help the world be a better place. when we left, i asked carl, what did you think about ali? he said, how could a man be so great and so humble, but i was blessed to be around him. i was a pallbearer for his mom
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his dad. was in his wedding. i was the blessed one. >> gene, as you say, you're a white guy. muhammad ali was at first associated with the nation of islam, that calls white people devils and the kind of a segregationist organization, but there are other white people, very close. angela dundee, his trainer, worked closely every day that muhammad was in the ring. did you ever see a racist bone or indication at all from muhammad ali that he had any racism whatsoever? >> that is a very good question. i had the opportunity of sitting down with the -- this. he said, there's a a greater power than muhammad ali and i. he said alla has you with us. man can judge man's action, but alla judges man's heart.
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but this is something, he said, elijah mohammed said the devils he spoke about were the devils that persecuted the black man, hunt ed the black man. he said we don't look at you as the devil. >> i think it's fair to say you never saw a racist bone in his body. >> not at all. you know, we went to home in new york city, a jewish home and there was no money. he gave them a check. give them 200,000 now and told them you can take this check tomorrow morning to the bank and then we're going to write another check and hold off on four days until i get some money. in that account. so, when we went outside, we were in a cab and he told me, he said, kindness to others is the only rent we pay for our room on earth. this is nothing -- >> god bless him on that. >> he said nothing to me.
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i could make this an issue, but by me giving those people the money, maybe someone else will step up and that never -- i don't know how it didn't leak out, but it leaked some some way. >> now, it's out for the world to hear. as kind and fill anthropic as he was as human being, he was tough in going after his opponents and he was no tougher than when he went after joe frazier, called him all kinds of names. names for him and so forth, got under his skin. did they ever bury the hatchet? >> muhammad ali and frazier? >> i used to tell him, some day, we're going to be in the park, me, you and joe frazier, then i would tell joe that. joe said i don't want to be around them. we put them together and they made up. i went to the funeral, joe frazier, and it was such a moving time.
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came back and hugged ali and kissed him. had no hatred in his heart for anybody. we went to hospitals. to visit young kids. young, crippled kids. kids wasn't going to make it. he said the only reason i'll go is if there's no crameras there and this is unbelievable. just the opposite of what you see from most celebrities these days. >> got to leave it at that. >> david, i want to tell you another story. >> quickly, yeah. zpl we were in kuala lumpur, an old woman came up to me in the lobby. she said, are you with muhammad ali? i said, yes. do you mind if i meet him. if you come tomorrow, doing road work at 4:00, be in the lobby. so, i said, where is your son? we went down, she said he's a leper. we went to --
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>> wow. >> and they put the food out to them a walk away. here was ali and my sitting there right with the lepers talking to them, muhammad ali hugging them and kissing them, saying i'm going to pray for you. i went back and took about ten showers. ali, are you nervous? no, god's going to always take care of me, but this was the type of person he was. >> i can't tell you how thankful i am you stopped me from cutting you off. that was a wonderful, wonderful story. thank you so much for being on. muhammad ali's business manager and thank you very much. well, no one knows the battle ali went through with parken son's morn his own family. they stayed with him through the whole ordeal. more with neil and his daughter. >> he gives me strength. he's my rock. i spoke to him today and i just so happy when i talk to him. >> how is his speech. >> difficult, some days. some days, he can ramble on.
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i wish he could stay like this, some days, then i see him fa face-to-face, it's so much better because you know, his eye contact, i know what he's saying, we talked earlier. i can kind of read him and i know what he's going to say. >> how does your dad react to in? actually, they're hearing and sensing everything. >> you met my dad. >> yes, i have. >> so, you know when you ask him questions, he's there. but he can't -- >> no, no, that was real. actually, he's all there, but sometimes, it may be difficult as with other disorders to be able to communicate what you want to say. very tough on loved ones. >> how does he feel about you championing the cause? here he was multiple heavyweight champion. fighting the battle. >> well, i always look at it, my
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dad's my big hero and i hope to be his hero because i'm also taking caldron when he lit it in 1996. taking that caldron and fighting because if my dad could speak the way i am right now, he would be doing the same thing. >> a good daughter. we'll turn to the other big story. hollywood superstar, dick van dyke, throwing his name behind bernie. not hillary. he's coming up to tell us why. good luck with the meeting today. thank you. as our business is growing, and you're on the road all day long, it's exhausting. holiday inn has been a part of the team. you're on the fourth floor. it makes life on the road much easier. book your next journey at holidayinn.com
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that man, dick van dyke, the legendary, the 90 years old and still as spry at least as somebody who's 50, 60, maybe even near 40s, doing a dance for
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of all people, bernie sanders. a lot of celebrities have come out for hillary, but he's come out for bernie sanders. first of all, you look pretty good on your feet there. you still got it. >> i till got it, yeah. can't get a job, but -- >> i got to tell you, first of all, i remember as a kid growing up an watching you, i'd lie down with my dad. he's exactly your age, 90 years old. he would be smoking his kent cigarettes, which you used to advertise, so i'm wondering maybe they aren't that bad afteral. >> did that commercial once. >> but the point is, that you are a legend. and what you say mattered to a whole generation of americans, so why is it you're for bernie sanders right now? >> yes. when i first heard his speech, i
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said he is saying exactly what i've been watching happen for the last four decades. everything he said was the truth because i saw it happen. it was a tenuous balance between capitalism and democracy. they're really kind of oil and water and sometimes, if it gets out of balance, things get sticky and right after the 50s and 60s, good democratic year, regulators were in place and for the first time, hit the streets and pass the civil rights act and the government wouldn't do it. it was a great time. but there was a kind of a reaction to that. corporate world didn't take that well. but you're familiar with the lewis powell memorandum? >> no. i'm not. >> a gentleman who ended up on the supreme court, he wrote a
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big memorandum to the national chambers of commerce and said we have to break up the sol didari, which is manifesting itself among the american people. break it up in our own defense and he said, we have to set them one against the other. they've done a pretty good job. >> i got to tell you, i remember the '60s. i'm old enough to remember the '60s and jfk, who i'm sure you supported as a good democratic, was taking policies that were sort of at odds with what bernie sanders wants to do. he wants to raise taxes very high. jfk brought taxes down. jfk was also involved in a number of deregulation, not regulation, so i'm just wondering, bernie certainly sees some things that are not dpood about america. he saw the financial bailout, he didn't like it. i didn't like it either. but his solutions, i'm wondering if his solutions are what would
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really be good for america right now. >> well, as far as i'm concerneded, during the reagan administration, is when they loosened up the regular la regulations an banks and wall street went bananas and the bubble burst and millions of americans lost everything they had. nobody went to prison. they're richer now than they were. he's talking about that 1%. i hear ol gark ki. the voice is like silence. my grand kids are going to be living a flat out totalitarian ol gar ki. >> some worry about liveing in n all out social democracy. after all, your show and a lot of other things capitalism supports probably wouldn't exist had it not been for capitalism.
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hasn't it been good for america? >> that balance has to be kept. bernie is not talking about robbing anybody. it's very familiar with -- >> some people would say a 90% tax rate is robbing people. >> he has never mentioned that. i think the last time he even mentioned the number was 52. an absolute top. i think that's, that worked out pretty good. >> yeah. he was harkening back to the day days of the 1950s when we had a top grade, which of course nobody paid because everybody who was at the top rate was rich enough to avoid it. i have to ask you though about one person who's big in the news today. sort of taken all the headlines. that's muhammad ali. your wonderful show was taking place right in the midst of muhammad ali's climb to fame as a boxer. what are your memories of that
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extraordinary period? >> well, i can remember when he was cashus. a lot of people were put off by his arrogance and ego and everything and finally dawned on us all that he was putting us on. the whole time. he made himself famous. and he turned out to be a wonderful human being. great humanitarian. what he hit the torch in '96 at the olympics, i think everybody in the world teared up. such a beautiful sight, wasn't it? >> it certainly was. nobody united all the people in the world better than muhammad ali. he brought the entire world together. >> louis armstrong. >> louis armstrong as well. good pair son. >> great to see you. thank you very much for coming in. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> thanks. we'll see protesters accusing d
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burns, is a trump supporter and says thr absolutely wrong about this. he joins us from south carolina. why do you say he's not a racist? >> first of all, i just want to give condolences first to the ali, muhammad ali's family and the millions of people that ali touched. i did want the to say that publicly. concerning the protesters at the trump rally, first of all, donald trump is not a racist. why would i as a black man from the south be supporting and be is surrogate for trump. why would he allow me to be a surrogate, why would he allow a darryl scott to speak on his behalf and so many others that are speaking openly in support for donald trump. and he be a racist. i'm from the south. i'm married to a beautiful white
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woman, ta mamara burris. we have six beautiful brown mixed babies. i know what real racism is and it's truly fot donald trump. >> why is it though, is it just that these people are, i don't know, anarchists and socialists looking for an excuse to go after thim hymn and they think because he doesn't talk in a political correct speak, that therefore, it's easy to label him a racist or what? >> i think what's taking place, the balance protests take iing place which i think first of all, those protesters should have learned from gandhi and dr. martin luther king. civil protests, peaceful protests, you would discover valid protests never ends well for those protesting. never ends well. never ends good. this is not just a protest against donald trump. i think it is turned into really a hatred for america because you the burning of the american flag. the raising of the flag.
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i don't have anything, anyone who wants to promotive where they're from, i'm proud to be a black man here in america and you should be proud to be a mexican american, but when you start desecrating the american flag, it is shameful of the thousands, the millions of men and women who have died to protect the freedom of this country, there's a rule, our country and yet they have desecrated the flag. it is in the just a protest against donald trump. it has turned to the hatred and frustration for this great country of the united states of america. that's the problem. >> i don't think any true american ever gets used to seeing the american flag burned by somebody. thank you very much for being here. appreciate you coming in. may be six states voting for democrats on tuesday, but as bernie sanders says, it is california that's the big enchillada. >> we've highlighted on our map here, the states you're talking
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about with new jersey in the east, the two dakotas, montana. but you're right, california is the big argument. the only argument he has left as we go into tuesday night, but before we highlight how he might get it done, let's be realistic. at this point f o the race, hillary clinton is almost there. she's a 2313 when it come to delegates. she only needs when you count both pledged and superdelegates, 70 more to clinch the nomination and with votinging this weekend, today and tomorrow, by the time we get to tuesday night, she may very well clinch things on the east coast in new jersey. that said, the sanders argument is centered in the state of california. now, how does he get it done in it's going to be difficult. the polls, the last few, very have been close. what we can do here, it might be helpful to draw a little line on the map, is take the coast away. and what i mean by that is if
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you come up here in california and forget about everything on the coast, even san francisco and los angeles, the large population centers, if you look to the right of this red line, more inland counties, the sanders effect there, the ability of sanders to do well in counties that are not always associated in the state of california, with traditional democratic candidates, let's watch these counties as they come in on tuesday night. counties that maybe we don't often hear in the news that are closer to the eastern border of california. as those results come in on tuesday night, fresno and other places, let's see how sanders is doing there. to be clear about this, david, new jersey, when it comes in earlier because of the time difference, that may be the one to go back to the numbers where hillary clinton is able to clinch in. sanders will argue that if he can win california, even though she's crossed the threshold on the democratic side is 2,383 delegates, that he could somehow convince the superdelegates after a victory in california
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with all the momentum he says he's been hild bilding, to come to his side. >> all right, putting it all in a nutshell. thank you very much. one of muhammad ali's closest family friends saying forget the boxer, remember the man. he'll be here, next. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab.
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former president george w. bush commenting on the passing of muhammad ali. he wrote, laura and i are saddened by the death of muhammad ali. the greatest of all time. i gave ali the presidential medal of freedom in 2005 and wondered aloud how he stayed so pretty throughout so many fights. probably had to do with his beautiful soul. he was a fierce fighter and he is a man of peace, just like odessa and cashus clay sr. believed their son could be. the world saying good-bye and celebrating the life of muhammad
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ali today. on the phone is bob, who promoted 26 of ali's fights. bob, a pleasure to talk to you again. the one fight that you did not promote, i want to start with though and that was the big first fight with joe frazier. 1971. you were planning to promote the fight in las vegas, you didn't get it. what happened? >> well, it was really a early in '71. remember, it was three i can't have and a half years that ali couldn't fight because he couldn't get a license from a boxing commission. because of his conviction of failing to go into the service. they took his passport. so, the three and a half years, he couldn't practice his craft. during that period, probably early in 1970, i got a call that from jim my the great, telling e
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that come to las vegas. governor at the time, became senator, will give ali a license to fight. i immediately got ali and joe frazier signed to a contract. to fight each other in las vegas. got on the plane with my p man and we haed the mistake of stay ng the desert inn hotel, which had been owned by a gangster named mo, who had sold the place to howard you. when we walked in to have breakfast before the meeting, dale had spotted us, asked what we were doing. we told him we were bringing this great fight to las vegas. he said, ali is a draft dodge, i don't want a draft dodger. this guy who allegedly murdered 30 or 40 people was suddenly on a moral -- he promised not to
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say anything. we went to the meeting. governor came in, shook my hand. all the commissioners came in, shook my hand. the meeting started. a call came into the lobby of the hotel and it was from robert, the who was the chief fak factotem and he said to the governor, he doesn't want ali to fight in las vegas. >> then of course, the fight went to new york. it was a big success. >> no, no, the fight again, again, let's not jump the story. because what happened -- >> i only have another half hour, bob. >> ali fought in georgia and then judge mansfield, the
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district court judge, federal district court judge in the southern district said that ali couldn't be denied a license to fight in new york. and ali then fought oscar, which led to the fight against joe frazier. >> got you. and then we got to skip ahead and we don't have much time, but the thrill in manila, the third frazier fight. october '75, a lot of people say that fight was the best fight ever to have been fought. you awe agree? >> as a fight esh it was the best fought to be brought as the consequence of that fight, wasn't so great. because i think a lot of the medical, physical problems that ali subsequently had were because of the beats he took in that fight and also joe frazier, but what a fight. first, ali was dominant.
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and then frazier came on and looked like frazier was going to knock ali out and suddenly from nowhere, like along about the 12th round, ali recovered and started pounding frazier, pounded him in the 13th round. almost knocked him out in the 4 14th round. and both of frazier's eyes were closed and he couldn't come out for the 15th round. it was the most unbelievable fight, 1975. >> there is a rumor that had it gone into another round, that dundee would have thrown in the towel for ali. is that true? >> no, that was really not true. ali was exhausted. there was no question he could have got up. joe frazier was blind. at that point. and he said ali could have just stood there and frazier would
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never have -- >> bob, i wish we could go on. we could for another several hours at the very least. a fight promoter, a legend in its own mind, self and person and his reputation, we thank you very much for joining us here. we want to go to davis miller. muhammad ali was a long time friend of his. he joins us now on the phone. we're actually switching over right now. davis miller had been approaching ali. thank you for joining us. >> certainly, david. i'm more than honored to be here. let me -- one thing. that thriller in manila, ali, if one goes back and looks at old clips of him, '76 forward, pretty much anything after the october '75 fight in manila,
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he's not the same guy. his speech is -- just slowed. he's not as, even his walking down the street, he's a little, his walk is a little -- and yes, i think he had parkenson's from every moment after that. >> did the doctors ever confirm that particular fight was really what triggered it? >> well, it wasn't really just that fight. but that fight, this guy fougt more rounds than anyone in heavyweight boxing history and he loved to box. and when he wasn't -- exhibitions all around the world all time. he boxed me. he's boxed your great grandma ma and a 3-year-old. that was ali. >> he kept coming back. he had a title three times. he kept coming back from a lot
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of different things. what was ali most proud of? >> oh, what he was most proud of is his so many different things. i think the biggest thing was his own personal kindness. as a man. never been a more generous human being on the planet. i don't think i'm overstating when i say this. he treated almost everyone that he ran into day-to-day as if they were family. if you walked up to his door, even two months ago, if he happened to be feeling good on that day and you wanted to meet him, he'd invite you in. he'd feed you lunch or dinner. he might ask you to spend a night and he was that way with everyone. a singular man. no one else will ever be like this guy again. >> davis miller, we got to leave it at that. davis, by the way, we're looking at the picture of you with the great muhammad ali, approaching ali is the title of davis miller's book and we thank him
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the economy just barely able to crank out 38,000 jobs in june. this is the weakest showing of job growth in nearly six years. andy, ceo of cke restaurants. a lot of people. even some of the people who didn't think the economy was doing so well, thought we'd be well over 100,000 jobs. what's causing the slowdown sm. >> you can't create a lot of jobs if your gdp growth is 1.4% in third quarter and .8 squirtinging recessionary levels in the first quarter. president obama and hillary clinton want to continue this, want to raise taxes, increase regula regulations. do all of the things to
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discourage the private sector. and at the same time, critical businesses for not creating those jobs. i think their policies are what's dragging the economy down and you know, if you look at the jobs numbers, not only did we create very few jobs, but 59,000 fewer people were working full time. so -- >> a lot of people just pulling out of the job force entire ly, but what about this push to double the minimum wage that's going on around the country? a lot of the people pushing it perhaps are well intentioned, maybe not, but the fact is is, that's got to hurt the bottom line. a lot of small businesses who decide what the heck, i can't afford to hire people at this poemt amount. >> increasing the minimum wage to particularly 12 or $15 an hour, really hurts the very people that it's intended to protect. it hurts low skilled workers because you eliminate those jobs. businesses will reduce the jobs as much they can. they'll try and hire more experienced people with the higher levels of income and to the extent they can automate
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jobs, they'll automate jobs because when you drive the cost of something up substantially, businesses will do everything they can to reduce that cost to stay in business and continue to create or keep the jobs they have. so, these efforts like the minimum wage are, that's part of what's causing this problem. these attempts by government to mandate, to mandate how businesses operate in the united states. it's not positive. >> you're a big time ceo, coming out with books, et scetera. but a lot of these folks who handle franchises are not so rich. their profit margin is small. probably save every penny they earn and put it back into their franchise. these are precisely the people being asked to double the wanls for their workforce. that could wipe out their profit margin, wipe out their business. >> absolutely. small businesses own the restaurants in our system and in most systems. burger king is almost 100% franchised. mcdonald's going to 90%. we're about 94%. the people getting hit with this
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are the, these mom and pops who run one or two restaurants or even larger franchises who have to pay the minimum wage. i think what people don't understand is that the big companies they're trying to attack like mcdonald's really don't pay those wages. they get paid by small businesses and america looks to small businesses to generate jobs and you can't generate a job if you can't keep the doors open or pay your employees. >> the man who wrote the book about job creation and the ceo of cke restaurants. thank you very much for coming in. >> thanks, david. glad to do it. trump on the attack, but not just against hillary and bernie. against the media as well. will that help him with all voter, republicans and democrats?
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i think the political press is among the most dishonest people that i've ever met. the press should be ashamed of themselves. the press is so dishonest and so unfair. you're a sleaze because you know the facts and you know the facts well. callinging out reporters right to their faces and gina says -- back with us, so gina -- >> because it's what they've always wanted to say to the media, david. this is their moment. where through the mouthpiece of donald trump, they get the yell at the media that has done a disservice to this country. for decades now. >> jessica, connell will back me up. every time we do one of these things about how trump the bash ing the media, our ratings go up. it's clear people love this stuff. >> yeah, it's really entertaining to watch.
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it doesn't mean it's factually correct. it's actually in this instance when trump is calling out jim acosta, a very good looking man, or calling someone a sleaze, they were just doing their job. asking him about these donations and the whole thing was really sloppy. going back to february when t"te weekly standard" contacted corey, he said where the is money going, oh, you find out yourself. that's what they're doing. well the weekly standard with donald trump. >> oh, come on. >> there are other owe. >> hold on a second. the history is that the weekly standard is run by bill crystal. bill crystal is a never trump guys. that's why there was antagonism between the standard and trump. >> understood. he's trying to get a third party candidate to run against mr. trump. it's difficult to provide any a nall is sis in an objective way. i was here at the studio, didn't get a name thrown at me. it's possible, david, that both
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sides are right and both sides are essentially winners in this. trump wins every time he attacks the media. again, i've been every time he turns around and says these are the most dishonest people. the crowd yells and everything else. at the same time, to the early point, the reporters' questions were fair, right? i mean, it was okay at the time to say, hey, mr. trump, you said you were going to give money to the veterans. where is that money? now we come back to the present day and trump can say i've given the money out and you people were unfair. he wins with regular people watching at home. i really think he does. >> gina, the abc reporter he was singling out for being, quote, sleazy in his mind on thursday night when the riots were happening in san jose against the -- by the pro terseter against the trump supporters, he's one of the most adamant saying that these people are monsters, they've got to be stopped. this thing is terrible.
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despite being chastised by trump the day before, that night he was with trump. >> you mean when the george thorough -- rioters at the trump event. yeah. i'm glad that the media is held accountable. we look at katie couric flipping her story and saying whoops, maybe that was a pretty bad edit and maybe i should take responsibility for that. the media is in a different place. this is the cool thing for everybody, for all people. all consumers of political news. democrat or republican, independent, socialist or otherwise. that is that, donald trump has single-handedly changed the way that media operates and with his presence in the media, he has taken to task the establishment republicans, the establishment democrats and the establishment media. it's exciting times. >> ladies and gentlemen, quick last comment. very quick. >> it's also using the media as a foil as opposed to holding us in the media accountable.
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he knows what he's doing and knows how disliked the media is and can use it. >> jessica, i promise i'll start with you next time. >> i'll hold you to it. >> trump should be held responsible for violent protests at his rallies. that's what some people are saying. a democrat in particular is saying it and hillary supporter responding to it. that's coming next. [ bleep ] my experience with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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. last night in san jose. then there's democrat mayor gets up and says whoa, i think it was donald trump. i don't each -- you know what i say now? when we have a protester inside, which isn't even very often, i say be very gentle, please don't hurt him. take care of him. if he wants to shout. if he punches you in the face, smile. >> well, he was right about the
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mayor of san jose. sam la car dough is a hillary clinton supporter, blames donald trump for the violence this week. does this hillary clinton supporter agree with us. california congresswoman judy chew. congresswoman, was trump responsible for what the thugs did to the trump supporters? >> well, violence should not be condoned in any rally. and anybody should have the ability to go to a rally without the fear of getting punched. but i do think that donald trump has set the tone from the very beginning where violence has become an acceptable thing. it started way back at his rallies. he encouraged it. he did not stop it. now there's a domino effect and it's affecting both sides. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. are you saying that these thugs who were as we just saw pictures of, actually swinging heavy items, knocking people in the head, causing bleeding, going after -- were it not for donald
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trump, they would be nice peaceful citizens? >> well, like i said, violence should not be condoned in any rally. this was not right in terms of what they did. but look at the tone of this campaign. have you ever seen a presidential campaign where a presidential candidate actually encourages insults, race-baiting, jean phobic behavior. >> that's like blaming the woman who is raped for leading on the rapist. you got to blame the person who is doing the violence. >> they should be held responsible for their behavior. but let's look at the whole tone of this presidential campaign. where does this ugly tone come from? how could you have a situation for instance, where a judge renders an opinion? >> wouldn't you agree, congresswoman? >> like i said, the violence should not be condoned. but i certainly think that donald trump bears responsibility for setting the
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tone. >> but who bears responsibility for the violence? again, you look at the violence that took place in san jose. it was clear where it was coming from. it wasn't coming from donald trump. it was coming from these thugs in the street. >> well, i'm asking when will the tone of this campaign change? when will trump start blaming race-baiting, when will he start using responsible rhetoric instead of hateful rhetoric? >> congresswoman, chu, thank you very much. of course, those flames are licking at the political fabric of the napgs. we have to stop those flames. we have more on muhammad ali coming up. meanwhile, fbn on tuesday night, primary coverage. lou dobbs begins that coverage live at 7:00 p.m. eastern on fox business network. and election coverage continues
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at 9:00 p.m. with special guest jan brewer, mike huckabee, scott mcneely and john paul did he juror yoe. please tune in. we'll continue with our coverage of muhammad ali. the world mourns the death of an american icon. muhammad ali, dead at 74. >> i am the greatest fighter of all-time. when i hit you with a hard right hand, you will fall. >> plus, california dreaming. the 2016 candidates fight for the biggest jackpot of delegates. we're live on the ground in the golden state with all the last-minutes campaigning. tragedy in texas. rescuers recover more bodies near ft. hood after an arming training mission went wrong. meanwhile, evacuations continue around that state. could there

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