tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News June 7, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm PDT
this is a fox news alert, i'm bret baier. coming to you live from san diego, behind me is the "uss af. we're here for the california primary. the crown jewel of the final big night of the 2016 presidential primary season. democrats are voting in six states tonight. but it's here, in the golden state with its jackpot of 475 delegates that will be a measuring stick of hillary clinton's ability to unite her party after a divisive primary battle with bernie sanders. media reports say clinton has clinched the nomination, but sanders says not so fast. we have fox team coverage.
jennifer griffin is in brooklyn as clinton prepares to make history as the first woman to secure the top spot on a major party ticket. james rosen is at the white house with how the obama factor mau play into the campaign but we begin with carl cameron in new york, as the presumptive gop nominee, donald trump, continues to get almost universal criticism for comments about hispanic judge and now he's pushing back. good evening, carl. >> hi, brett. donald trump has a teleprompter ready for tonight's victory speech. in which he hopes to pivot and begin seriously focusing on beating hillary clinton, the presumptive democratic nominee. in order to do that, he first has to deal with some major problems among fellow republicans. on the last day of primary voting, the gop presumptive nominee's remarks have him under fire. >> claiming someone can't do
their job because of a race is sort of the textbook definition of a racist comment. it's absolutely unacceptable. >> it's time to stop attacking people you're competing with or various minority groups in the country and get on message. >> governor chris christie went to the polls in new jersey today. and was one of the few republicans trying to defend him albeit kurtly. >> donald trump is not a racist. the allegations that he is are contrary to every experience i've had with him over the past 14 years. so we're going to end it there. >> trump bested his gop rivals early and the white house is relishing the chaos his candidacy is causing the gop now. >> republicans, on the other hand, wrapped up their nomination process early. but apparently it wasn't early enough to allow the republican speaker of the house to basically call the republican presidential nominee racist. >> mouse house and senate
republicans, including supporters, are denousing trump's claims that the federal judge yoe seeing a lawsuit against trump university is biased because he's hispanic and trump wants to build a wall. reince priebus spoke with trump yesterday. a trump political adviser made it sound like winning the fraud case is part of the presidential contest. >> we're not afraud of this case, mr. trump is not afraid to take it on and we're ready to have our day in court when it comes. >> former rival south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> mark kirk citing trump's comments about the judge. trump issued a statement defending his criticism of the judge. but then while this lawsuit should have been dismissed, it's scheduled for trial in november. i do not intend to comment on this matter any further. arizona senator jeff blake said let's face it meet the old trump just like the new trump and
suggested while there are had been no talk of a trump challenge, this may cause one anew. >> on a night where donald trump had hoped to focus exclusively on hillary clinton, he had to deal with fierce that trump's candidacy might cost the gop winning the white house and brett? >> carl, thank you. let's discuss this situation now with one of the top republicans, who has supported donald trump. senator bob corker of tennessee has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential pick. he joins me from washington. is this the pivot, senator, that you were calling for this morning? >> yes, obviously comments were made that cannot be condoned in any quarter. that's been heard, i do think that look, trump has such an opportunity, he is the only person in this race that can
change the trajectory of our country, and there's a lot riding on this. those kind of comments need to be in the rear-view mirror. it's time to, this is an inflection point. especially today, and it's time to move ahead. i mean secretary clinton, is going to be more of the same. as aatter of fact in many ways doubling down on policies that have been negative for our country. trump has the opportunity to reverse the fiscal issues that we have that are so damaging to our country. to do those things, that cause the economy to grow and to reverse some of the negative foreign policy decisions that have been made. if you think about secretary clinton, and decisions this she made back in 2011, relative to libya and the precipitous leaving of iraq and encouraging modern opposition in syria and not following through she in essence made a homemade a home for isis and so we have
tremendous opportunities to change the trajectory of our country, it's up to trump to do that and i think we're all hoping he'll move beyond these personality-based comments to a campaign that really embraces the issues and shows people that he's the only person that can change the trajectory that we're now on which i believe to be negative. >> senator, i don't want to relitigate the statements, in his statement, donald trump said that his original statement and statements asked about this. weighs misconstrued. how was he misconstrued, do you think? >> i don't know. i saw the statement. i've been in hearings all day. i think it was a step forward in trying to put this behind him. obviously comments about people's ability to do something based on ethnicity, they have no place in u.s. politics. and i think he's recognized that was a mistake. i haven't had conversations with
him about it. but it looks like he's attempting to move beyond this, not to talk about it more in the future. i know this campaign in many ways -- >> let me interrupt you. you have colleagues like mark kirk and jeff flake who say they have real problems and it's affecting their ability to get behind donald trump. you have jeff bush who tweeted donald trump should retract his comments, not defend them. there's no place for racism in the gop. or in the country. how do you respond to those statements? >> i agree that there's no place for those comments, i was one of the first to say that i don't condone them. i think that he's moved through a primary process, he now, it's time to move to the general election and begin really to focus on policy. obviously, brett, some of his positions are not as well formed as secretary clinton's might be. she's been in the public arena for years and years. he's got an army of people that
are willing to help on everything from treasury functions to commerce functions to foreign policy functions. i think people are urging him again to pivot to take advantage of this incredible opportunity that he has earned. the incredible opportunity that americans are holding he will take advantage of to change the trajectory. to move beyond this. i'm sure there will be other references to what has been said. it was totally improper, there's no place for it. but i think what you're seeing is an attempt to pivot, i hope that is the case. because so many of us fear additional four years in the direction that we're going down, doubling down on that, is going to be damage that will be difficult for this country to sustain. >> senator, i want to ask you about foreign policy and specifically about iran, one of the things that hillary clinton talked about the other night was essentially backing up the iran deal. of president obama. you had been criticized from some conservatives, the
"national review" wrote this, this spring republican leadership colluded with the white house and congressional democrats to enact a law, the corker/cardin iran nuclear review act that guaranteed that obama would be authorized to lift sanctions against iran. the rigged law was written authorizing obama to lift sanctions as long as republicans could not pass a resolution of disapproval. the process meant that they would be able to complain about the deal and vote to disapprove it thereby creating the impression that they were staunchly against the lifting of sanctions that they had already authorized. how do you respond to that? >> that's one of the most misguided statements i've ever heard. the fact is that the president unfortunately was given what is called a national security waiver. through a series of putting these sanctions in place. no one ever envisioned this took place over a series of of years. no one ever envisioned that the president would use a national security waiver to in essence waive them for eight years.
but he did it. what he did was go directly to the u.n. security council, and have this implemented and what was caused a nonbinding political agreement. so what we did, because everyone understood this was not what he was supposed to use this waiver for. we put in a process to try to stop it in the way that we did that's one of the most misguided, purposeful misstatements, i've never understood how people can come up with -- >> you disregard all of this republicans folded thing? >> it's absolutely untrue. we had a 99-1 vote on this. people were searching for some way to unwind this deal. it was unfortunate that he went to the security council. and now what we're doing is insuring that in the future we don't give national security waivers, which presidents need. there are circumstances that arise. that will allow a president to do what he did. it was something that created tremendous mistrust. we were able to get democrats to join us because of the way it
was utilized. >> but that is just malarkey. and it's unbelievable to me that people would purposely put out that type of malarkey, when they knew that the president had the ability to do what he did directly with the u.n. security council which was unfortunate and not the way these kind of agreements should be put in place. i was the number one opponent to the agreement. >> thank you, senator corker for your time. we look forward to having you back. the "associated press" says hillary clinton already has enough delegates, as we mentioned to clinch the democratic nomination. but she's not celebrating yet. at least not in public. fox news correspondent jennifer griffin is with the clinton campaign in brooklyn. good evening, jennifer. >> good evening, bret. it's the job that hillary clinton has dreamed about having since she was a little girl. just a few hours ago, aides say she will make history. becoming the first woman of a major political party to be the presumptive nominee for
president. hillary clinton not wanting to look too presumptuous heading into today's voting. >> according to the news, we're on the brink of an historic, historic, unprecedented moment. but we still have work to do don't we? >> as she prepares to break through what she has called the ultimate glass ceiling, a bit of irony that on june 7th, exactly eight years ago today, as she conceded to then-senator barack obama, she foreshadowed she may get another shot. >> if we can
blast 50 women into space, we will someday launch a woman into the white house. although we weren't able to shatter that hard as glass ceiling this time thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> standing in the way of what could be the first female
president. >> is that a serious question? >> yes. >> anyone running for president, anyone who opposes the, your question implies that any person, any woman running for president is by definition, the best candidate. >> her opponent still refuses to yield. >> there's nothing to concede. >> the clinton camp is trying to project unity for the sake of the democratic party. and hoping to enlist the help of president obama, who reached out to bernie sanders on sunday. >> our campaigns are certainly talking and i will be reaching after tomorrow night because i obviously want to unify the party. as i just said, we have so much more in common. >> president obama will be in new york fundraising tomorrow, no indication yet when he plans his endorsement. clinton will begin campaigning in ohio and pennsylvania, as early as next week. those are key battleground states of course. bret? >> jennifer griffin live in
brooklyn. even as she
clinches or gets ready to clinch her party's nomination, hillary clinton has some troubles, we talked about them before. there seems to be another emerging gap between hillary clinton's version of her state department email history and what the record shows. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has that story tonight. >> today the state department said clinton's use of private email was not widely known, further undercutting claims she made as recently as sunday to abc news. >> everybody in the department knew that i was emailing from a personal address. hundreds of people knew it. people around the government knew it. >> really no one among the senior staff had a full and comprehensive knowledge of how much she was using her personal email. if they had, they probably would have done it differently. >> the state department was responding to questions about the definition of aide steven mull in a lault. he said he couldn't remember when he first learned about her
private email or why he suggested she get a government email account instead. the state department was also pressed 0en a recent court filing where its lawyers told the rnc it would take 75 years to process requests for clinton and her closest aides. including then-chief of staff sheryl mills, policy adviser jake sullivan and senior state department manager patrick kennedy. quote it would take 16 2/3 years to complete the review of the mills documents, 33 1/3 years to complete the review of the sullivan documents. >> a broad range of people over four years, it's not an outlandish estimation, believe it or not. >> the rnc was asked tothe scop request as the fbi asked to file a second secret declaration in a lawsuit by vice news about the status of its ongoing criminal
investigation of the clinton emails. bret? >> thank you. >> president obama is said to be iching to put his mark on the democratic campaign for successor. what will that mark be. chief washington correspondent james rosen explores the possibilities. >> by all knts, president obama is raring to go for the fall election, eager to help the democratic party take on presumptive republican nominee, donald trump but a spokesman stopped short of describing the president's involvement as essential to a democratic victory. >> the president is an important validator. the president is someone who has been doing this job for the last seven and a half years. think it will be relevant to the decision-making of many lawmakers. not just democrats, but some independents and some republicans. >> the wlous has held off an an endorsement citing today's balloting in california and new jersey. aides indicate that the president will endorse in the next few days, before the district of columbia weighs in.
>> the president should expect and encourage the democrats in district of columbia to participate and make their voice heard. someone somebody has definitively demonstrated they've got a majority of delegates, who will be voting in the convention that person will have a strong case to make as the presumptive democratic nominee. >> senator bernie sanders of vermont vowing to contest the party's convention next month has discounted intimations of favoritism on the part of the president. >> i know there was discussion about a political interview, he was tipping the scale toward second clinton, i don't believe that. >> while barack obama is widely regarded as a gifted campaigner. analysts split on whether his involvement this fall will help the democratic ticket. >> i think obama will be a tremendous asset for hillary clinton. he remains very popular among women, minorities and young people and those are exactly the constituencies that hillary clinton needs to win in november. >> if we find out that the job
reports numbers from this past friday have had a negative impact on those numbers, you'll see his participation going down accordingly. >> at one point josh earnest described president obama as the democratic super delegate who lives in the oval office. >> james rosen live. thank you. when we return to san diego, a six-month jail sentence for a kikted sexual predator. could his special connection to the judge have anything to do with it? as "special report" continues live from san diego, california.
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welcome back to gorgeous san diego, california. we'll head into the midwest now, the state of illinois. owes the fbi $3 million for processing fingerprints and conducting background checks. that's aordering to the "associated press." the problem is ill sill about to begin its second year without a budget and the fbi tab is just part of the $7 billion the state of illinois owes. the bureau may have to resort to using the treasury department to
collect. the dow briefly eclipsed the 18,000 mark to finish ahead 18. the s&p 500 gained three. the nasdaq lost 7. meantime a california judge could face recall after handing out what many people here in the states and around the nation consider an incredibly lenient sentence against a man who sexually assaulted an unconscious woman. that man is a star athlete at the judge's alma mater. national correspondent william la jeunesse has the story from los angeles tonight. >> we disagree with the judge's ruling in this case. we believe that brock turner should have been cents to prison. >> so do tens of thousands of other who is have signed online petitions to recall this judge who sentenced a rapist to six months behind bars. >> the punishment does not fit the crime this predatory offender failed to take responsibility. failed to show remorse. >> a jury found 20-year-old
brock turner guilty of three felony accounts for attacking a 23-year-old woman behind a dumpster. he faced up to 14 years in prison. the prosecutor wanted six. but the judge, a also a stanford grad gave him six months in jail. saying turner was less accountable because he was drunk. >> what sends a message, go drink and can you sexually assault a woman and use alcohol as a defense to lessen your sentence. >> turner's father claimed his son had already been punished enough. quote his life will never be the one he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. that is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action. referring to rape as 20 minutes of action ignited a firestorm of criticism online. where millions also read the victim's impact statement. quote the probation officer's recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft time-out. a mockery of the seriousness of
his assaults, an insult to me and all women. >> if my daughter was a victim of this, i'd be livid, i'd be furious. >> a stanford law professor has begun a formal petition drive that needs 81,000 signatureses from registered voters in st. clair counsanta clara county to trigger such a vote. a rush hour bomb killed 11 people innist isn istanbul turk. u.s. defense officials tell "reuters" a chinese jet conducted an unsafe intercept of an american reconnaissance plane in the east china sea it reportedly approached the american plane at a high rate of speed at the same altitude. the incident comes as secretary of state john kerry meets with his chinese counterpart in
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welcome back to san diego, we are here for coverage of the final big night of the presidential primaries, including the top prize here in california. and its 475 democratic delegates, while voters continue to cast ballots here, back in brooklyn hillary clinton is getting ready to host a campaign event at the navy yard. the "associated press" says clinton has already wrapped up enough delegates to win the democratic nomination. she of course has held off celebrating at least in public until tonight's results come in we told butt criticism that donald trump is getting over his charge of bias against a hispanic judge in the trump university case.
tonight a look at the man of the moment. federal judge gonzalo curiel. shannon bream has our report. judge curiel is really an american success story. >> federal judge gonzalo curiel was born and raised in the u.s. after his parents emigrated to america. >> my parents came here from mexico with a dream providing their children opportunities and they've been able to do that. with the opportunities that this country has to offer. >> the indiana native once worked as a prosecutor. taking such a hard line on mexican drug cartels that he was under death threats and was provided round-the-clock security. curiel was first nominated to the state bench of california by then-governor arnold schwarzenegger, before president obama nominated him to serve as a federal judge. >> his family worked hard to get him an education and the fact that he's a federal judge is something we should be celebrating as an american
success story. no the deriding. >> but not everyone thinks so. >> to have a judge that's a hater of donald trump. a hater. he's a hater. his name is -- gonzalo curiel. >> curiel is overseeing two lawsuits against trump in connection with trump university. trump claims curiel has made unfair and mistaken rulings and that it is fair to question the judge's ability to be impartial. given that he has an inherent conflict of interest. >> this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall, okay? i'm building a wall. >> curiel's potential links to a group called la razza, the group is accused of lobbying for open borders and amnesty. the president of the san diego la razza association says there's no affiliation with the local counsel. trump's legal team can file a motion to disqualify curiel. but when asked in may about
whether he plans to do so, the head of trump's legal team, attorney denial petrocelli said quote, the judge is doing his job and we're not seeking to recuse the judge. the law does not recognize the judge's race or ethnicity as grounds for disqualification. if trump's lawyers did file a motion to block curiel on that basis, there's a strong likelihood they could face sanctions. bret? >> shannon, quickly. that's a key point here. the fact that his lawyers have not filed for any recusal based on what donald trump has been talking about or answering questions about for the last few days. >> it could be very telling and the fact is, under the federal rules of civil procedure, any attorney who would go in and file a motion that the court found to be frif lougs is putting themselves in danger of sanctions. you have to think that's got to be part of their consideration. >> shannon, as always, thank you. when we come back. the panel joins me to discuss today's primaries in california
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we thought we could win the case, i don't care if the judge is mexican or not. i'm going to do great with the mexican people but we're being treated very unfairly, bill, very unfairly. >> i disavow those comments, i regret those comments that he made. i don't think, claiming a person can't do the job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment. i think it should be be a shrewd slooutdy li disavowed. it's absolutely unacceptable. >> it's time to stop attacking various people who you compete with or various minority groups in the country and get on message. >> you hear donald trump and some republicans reacting to the dust-up about what he said about the judge in the trump university case. trump putting out a statement
today in part saying this, it's unfortunate that my comments have been misconstrued as a categorical attack as people of mexican heritage. all judges should be healed to that standard. i do not feel that one's heritage makes them incapable of being impartial. the focus is on the democratic race but this focus has been in the media for the past several days. steve hayes, senior writer for the "weekly standard," kirsten powers, "u.s.a. today." gina, we hear from all of these folks all the time. so welcome what do you think, what do you make of this statement? does this turn the corner? does this as senator corker said, is this the pivot that
trump needs? >> i like the statement. i think it's fine. i think a lot of people are watching this feeling like he'll probably tee this up like he did the veterans situation. it seems like there are two groups particularly obsessed with race and it's the left and the media the center, the right, not so obsessed with race. think it was a good way to make the statement to kind of reiterate what he meant in the first place and i think it will resonate well with voters. >> dana, does this turn the page? >> it might turn the page in terms of the media page. but i think it will have a lasting impact. one of the things you just saw in the clips opening up this panel is you have paul ryan today trying to announce his big push to alleviate poverty. he did it in d.c. there he is trying to make the statement and the questions are about donald trump and whether he's racist. okay? that happens to mitch mcconnell, it happened to every republican that is out there. that will happen between now and november. not just on this issue, but on all the ones going forward. i understand that donald trump
is trying to turn the page on this one. it might work for republicans, maybe but it's not going to work for the left. >> steve, a couple of things, one he said his statements were misconstrued. i think people looking at the original statements and a couple times, wonder how we misconstrued what he was saying. but for republicans like paul ryan who say i have a real problem this is the definition of racism, but i'm still endorsing him. mark kirk is the only person who said i'm not endorsing him. >> i think it's a huge problem for paul ryan, a huge problem for mitch mcconnell. a huge problems for republicans more broadly. there's obvious tension between the fact that you're calling out the top republican's in the country's comments as racist. but at the same time saying he has to be the next president of the united states. i was rereading the past controversies about donald trump and race and ethnicity, his comments about the same judge back in february where he made similar allusions to the judge's
ethnic heritage. his refusal to condemn the kkk and david duke. which led paul ryan and mitch mcconnell at that time to say i really hope that we, that the republican party doesn't become the party that stands for bigotry or trades in bigotry and they condemned those comments unequivocally. the only difference between what they said then and what they are saying now is they're saying we condemn the bigotry. but the person we're accusing of this bigotry has to be the next president of the united states. >> here's what chris christie said after he voted in new jersey today about the whole dust-up. >> i know donald trump, i've november him for 14 years and donald trump is not a racist. >> if you have this many microphones and cameras in front of you on a regular basis and you're not a preprogrammed robotic politician, you're going to make some statements at times thaw wish you could take back. i've done it he's done it and anybody who is honest in this business has done it. >> to gina's point, is this something that kind of just makes people mad?
that there's this much focus? is that statement enough to move on to issues he wants to talk about? >> i think one of the problems of saying it's the left or media that are consumed with this is you saw all of these high-profile republicans come out and condemn it. so obviously republicans are concerned about it as well. it's not just the left who is offended about it in fact if seems to be more republicans that are upset about it i think that chris christie also saying that well the preprogrammed politicians, but trump really dug in on this, it wasn't as though he just said it and later on said i'm sorry, i misspoke. we have the reporting about the call he had with supporters basically telling them go and attack the journalists. he wasn't really backing down. it may be true what christie is saying, he's not a racist. but when he says things that people think are racist, that's the problem. i don't think it's about what his heart is saying, it's about what he continues to say that people find offensive. >> do you hear from trump supporters in your show about
concern over donald trump kind of doubling, tripling down on something they wish he would back off on. or do you think this doesn't factor from what you're hearing? >> american people understand that he's not a politician and that the establishment on both sides has been attacking him all the way along. that's what happened today. that's what people expect to happen the next time. think what people really appreciate about him is that he's willing to stand up for what he believes, even when he does it clumsily, even when the whole country seems to be attacking him for it he'll continue to stand. i think that's the leadership and the sort of outsider perspective that people have been looking for for a long time. so i don't see this issue doing damage to him. i could see him coming back, like he did on the veterans issues. he did refer to plaintiffs attorneys that gave $650,000 to the clinton foundation. >> shannon breen did the whole difference between the attorneys group and the national coins of
la razza. let's move on to the democrats and bernie sanders, who said today, today, after the "associated press" said hillary clinton has already got this nomination in the bag is that he's not relenting new york city matter what happens in california. >> apparently tlis a big split amongst sanders supporters. one saying that look, we have come so far, we should take what we can, get a good spot at the convention, to push the nominee, hillary clinton to the left as far as we can. another says fight on, bernie, you can't disappoint all of these voters across the country. it's remarkable what bernie sanders has been able to do he does not have the ability to become the nominee and i think president obama will put some strong pressure on him and try to unite this party so she can win. >> i think that's right and the white house has indicated there's an imminent endorsement coming from president obama of hillary clinton. but the thing to remember about
bernie sanders is he's not really a democrat and he's not invested in the democratic party. so you don't have the normal issues at play here. i think he's more invested in his agenda and wanting to get certain issues on the table at the convention. and people who are supporters of his said they want to see a fight on israel. israel and palestine. they don't like hillary's position and they want to make sure they get the vp that they want. he doesn't have a lot of incentive to get out. >> hillary clinton meantime i get the sense that she would like to take advantage of what are disenfranchised republicans and reach out that way and yet still has to reach to the progressive side of her own party to unify after bernie sanders is doing what he's doing. you. >> you also know that hillary clinton would like to be celebrating fact that she's the first female of a nominating party of the united states and that's kind of being taken away from her by what bernie sanders is doing.
i think the risk for democrats, is that bernie sanders has run a campaign based on the argument that the system is rigged. it's not really rigged. it's a bad system, the superdelegates stink. all of those things are true. but she also beat him. she's going to win. she's going to win fair and square by the rules as they were set forth and the longer he keeps making that argument, the more he feeds that perception among his supporters and the less likely they'll ultimately rally. the thing about breaking the glass ceiling for a nomination . for your listeners, is the anti pathy for hillary clinton just overwhelming they don't celebrate that in. >> i think that is the truth. i think hillary is not a very likable candidate. bernie came in at just the right time. think that his supporters are going to feel like this election was taken from them. regardless of anything else.
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although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time. thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. [cheers and applause] >> i am absolutely thrilled to behis primary. we have worked hard up and down this great, great state. and i need your help tomorrow. >> she is playing the woman's card so much and so loud and, frankly, i think it's her only chance of getting elected. you know what? listen, she is going to get hit for it because it's not appropriate. >> welcome back to san diego. let's bring in the different panel on this primary election day. joining me from los angeles susan et thrij from the university of southern california and in washington syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer, a regular for us. susan, first to you, you heard those sound bites, hillary clinton in 2008 and as she gets ready to wrap up officially tonight, your thoughts on this from a
democratic point of view and what it means really from a woman's point of view as well this moment. >> you know, it's funny, bret, i got exactly one email today from a woman friend of mine saying, wow, hillary! she then said she voted for bernie sanders. i didn't understand it at all. but, it was hardly like that moment in 1984 when there seemed to be for excitement about geraldine ferraro's selection. maybe because we have known hillary is the nominee all along. on maybe because the mood among democrats i will say and charles can disagree, but i think a lot of democrats are very nervous. trump is not your usual candidate and the question everybody asks me is not can hillary win but can trump win? >> the rcp average, charles, is just two points now the latest poll separating hillary clinton and drurch.
and you look at that gender gap which we have talked about many times on the panel with women and men and the two candidates how they identify with both of those in the polls. what do you look at as this race starts to firm up? >> well, i do think that the historic factor is very much minimized and muted. it will probably last for an hour or two tonight. but, after all, she has essentially been running for 16 years. she has expected to be the nominee in 2008. she was going to be coronated this time around. so it's actually delayed feeling. and considering that we had the first african-american, which i think was a far more improbable proposition eight years ago, this is less of a reverbiating event. and the fact is i think as susan said, democrats are worried and should be worried simply because you can't use the usual playbook against donald trump. democrats know how to run against conservatives. they don't know how to run
against the populist who is unexpected, unpredictable and can do anything. and that's why i think that they have this nervousness, particularly given her liabilities and she has been unable to shake, you know, 74-year-old socialist who i should add honey a mooned in the soviet union. >> as you look towards the general election, you say there is concern on the democratic party. but in the last few days, what has happened and transpired, has it changed? >> well, i think has he happened is that, you know, everyone, even the people who failed math has done the arithmetic and come to the conclusion that this nomination race is over. now, whether bernie sanders agrees or not remains to be seen as somebody pointed out. he is not even a democrat. he doesn't have the same stake here.
so i think what you're gonna see is you are going to see obama and other establishment democrats come in and call for the party to come together. >> susan and charles, thank you very much. some final thoughts from here in san diego. we won't mention the bernie sanders honeymooned in the soviet union even though charles says that all the time.
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six states voting in the goldible state. donald trump schedule to do speak at 9:00. that's it for us, fair, balanced and unafraid. here comes greta "on the record" from new jersey. >> this is "on the record" coming to you live from the absolutely beautiful jersey shore. right here in this state the polls close in under an hour. new jersey is the most densely populated state in the entire country. and it's one of six states where today people are voting and drama in the democratic race right next door in new york secretary clinton is expect to do tell her supporters tonight that she is the presumptive nominee: senator sanders says well not so fast. is he out west where people are voting in california. sanders insists he will take coffee -- california tonight. karl rove on the chaos right now that's brewing in the democratic race. carl karl,