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a fox news alert as we begin hour three on this saturday. nice to be with you at home. nice to be with you here. thanks for staying with us. >> welcome to america's election headquarters from washington. >> we now know the names of the five dallas law enforcement officers who were killed in the line of duty thursday night. we know more about them, their families, and how they died. we're learning more also about the lone gunman who targeted them for the color of their skin and the badge they wore. casey steagal was there as the shots rang out in dallas thursday night. and joins us live from the scene. hi. >> hi, leland. agents with the atf, bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, are working on the ground here
and they have the job of going through and processing this very elaborate and wide spread crime scene. the fbi is the lead agency here but about 30 agents with atf are assisting and going through the crime scene right now. those agents local agents from the dallas-based office of atf. they're using canines and other equipment to help recover all of those shell casings. and those are extremely important pieces of evidence. police say this process could last until wednesday. meaning this large portion of downtown would remain sealed off to the public. now, this is worth reiterating because it was really unpre unprecedented but the gunman was ultimately taken down by a controlled detonation. in other words, they blew him up.
listen. >> the same automated robot equipment to detonate and diffuse bombs was used to place c-4 in place and to detonate that. this was a man that we gave plenty of options to, to give himself up peacefully and we spent a lot of time talking. he had a choice to come out and we would not harm him or stay in and we would. he picked the latter. >> meantime the other major area of focus with this investigation, the gunman's home. he lived with relatives in the dfw suburb of mesquite, about 12 miles from here. officials tell me the home belongs to his mother though it's not clear who all lives there. at that house officials say they have found more ammunition, more guns, bullet proof vests, and
also bomb making materials. they also uncovered a journal of sorts. authorities say it detailed, quote, combat slant. detectives are still analyzing that and all the information contained within and also a former dallas police department deputy chief told our own shepard smith on the ground not long ago that drugs were also roved from that home, specifically meth, or methamphetami methamphetamine. leland? >> casey steagal live in dallas. back to you as news warrants. thank you, casey. it could be easy to forget that moments be before the shocking events in dallas there was a peaceful protest going on. participants raising their voices against what they perceive as police brutality against african-americans overnight there were more protests and will karr joins us now with that side of the story. hi, will. >> elizabeth, and you have to keep in mind these protests erupted after the police
shooting videos came out from louisiana and minnesota last week. and after the attacks in dallas the black lives matter group issued a statement which in part says, black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation to it. they went on to say the shooting in dallas was a tragedy for victims and democracy but it didn't de-escalate intense situations in new york where 74 protesters were arrested for disorderly conduct. police say officers were surrounded by the protesters. some were throwing rocks. two journalists ended up in handcuffs as well, later released in the chaos. nobody was hurt. in arizona, protesters shut down freeway ramps. police had to use pepper spray and tear gas. three people ended up being arrested. six injured. in atlanta, almost 10,000 protesters flooded the streets blocking traffic but there were no arrests. they remained peaceful. in los angeles rapper snoop dogg
and the gang asked for improved regulationses between law enforcement and communities. >> so if you love your lives and your love your families as much as i love mine, try to thing about mine as much as i think about yours and let's try to save each other's lives before the world ends right before our eyes. >> more protests this weekend. elizabeth, we'll certainly be keeping an eye on how they play out. >> all right, will carr reporting live. will, thank you so much. the black lives matter movement came out after a number of deaths of african-american men at the hands of police. the court of public opinion very quickly delivered one verdict. later the courts and department of justice often found another verdict. seth barrenswyg is the founder of the department and following the doj probes. joins us in a minute. >> he was a new york police officer and a secret service agent. he is now an international security consultant.
so, dan, before we get to seth i do want to get your reaction. what can we learn from it going forward and obviously your reaction to the protests that we're seeing over the weekend. >> yeah, i mean, just because you can protest in a country as great as the united states where we respect and value that right and it's protected by the constitution, doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. this is a completely inappropriate time to be focusing on police conduct. we have bodies that haven't even been buried yet. we can have that conversation, you know, if they want to have that conversation, they should, but having it now, again, because they can do it doesn't mean they should. terribly inappropriate. >> okay. we talked a little bit about -- and, in fact, we mentioned this in the 1:00 p.m. hour of the demilitarizing police. they were pushed, perhaps intimidating the protesters there. now we're seeing perhaps the men in uniform weren't necessarily prepared for the attack that took place on thursday night.
how do you walk that very fine line going forward? >> right. and having conservative roots, i'm concerned, as well. the rules of engagement with that equipment. it's clear given isis and al qaeda and their new focus on soft target terrorists assault, using military grade weapons in some cases, that the police are going to have to defend themselves. they're going to have to have access to this equipment. i think what we have to do to understandably put the public at ease here and not me terize the police force is make sure the rules of engagement in use on that equipment is open and trans important for the public to see. >> the shooter obviously made references to the black lives matter movement. not necessarily singling out specific incidents. i want to talk to you a little bit about the timing. a crime of premeditation or seizing an opportunity, seizing a location and how it
transpired. >> sure. well, when you're talking about what's going on in the justice department right now and as you all are talking about, accurately so in this segment, there has been an immediate leap forward in washington to put a microscope over the police officers in all of these functions and in all of these reviews. i think one of the reasons why there's such a divide in the united states is that there's a misperception of the plumbing legally that goes into that kind of a process. the federal statute as well as supreme court precedent behind this supports the discretion of the police department to be able to reasonably exercise their duties. as we can talk about unless there is a federal hate crime of something that was sparked by emimus it would warrant a referral by the prosecution as opposed to the horrible crime in dallas where you see evident of racial intent by this person who has sense deceased. >> when you think about though the arguments of the black lives matter movement within hours
really of any time a police officer kills someone in anything other than the most obvious lf circumstances you see these false narratives come out. we saw it in ferguson, hands up, don't shoot. michael brown never had his hands up. freddie gray was healthy and doing nothing wrong. great guy, pillar of society, turned out to be false. all of these kinds of situations. are politicians doing a disservice and like you talk about loretta lynch when she was up there yesterday saying that this shouldn't discourage the protesters and all these kinds of things? are politicians doing protesters a disservice and police officers a disservice throwing them under the bus? >> sure. i think there needs to be a voice of calm in washington but there also needs to be a voice of unity in washington. one of the thingses that amazing about this and it is related to the black lives matter element that you mentioned a second ago. there is also a fundamental division here in washington between lawmakers and even the united states supreme court of exactly how this relates to race and as it relates to the authority of the police.
just about three weeks ago the united states supreme court issued a decision through justice thomas supporting the authority of the police to use after acquired evidence in a stop that initially been illegal but supported by a review of outstanding arrest warrant. so that was supporting the police. in a deeply divided voter justice sotomayor issued a dissent where she was basically saying literally that we are now living in a society where people of color are going to have to be told by their parents that they have to be careful while they're walking down the street and she used a phrase all lives and all voices matter. well, that's something that's reminiscent of what we're talking about and what it shows is that we're living through a historical divide right now not only in the united states but the core of government here in washington. >> yeah, where do we go from here though? when you look at it. you just mentioned what happened. how do we change the rhetoric and change the course of history? >> i think really there are times where the lawyers need to step in and have these things flowed through the court and there are times when the legal people need to step out and let
the communications flow throughout more ground sport level and grass roots commissions. there needs to be less lawyering and more communication. but there also needs to be an increased understanding by the public about the federal statutes that flow into these things. the police are not going to be pinatas to just try to allay concerns and rhetoric publicly. there are federal statutes directly in play that have been around for a long time and the more the justice department can more accurately let us know about the legal plumb that goes in i think there would be a better a preesh shags and the justice department would help bring the temperature down in the room than increase it. >> which is what we need. >> you bet. >> dan, thank you so much for joining us. interesting insight. >> very welcome. we have of course the policy issues and then we have the people issue. how does the dallas police department move forward in the wake of what is unquestionably a horrific attack? rod wheeler former dc homicide detective, fox news contributor, joining him, michael mada,
patrol sergeant that monitors the area in downtown dallas where the shooting took place. appreciate you guys being with us. rod, unfortunately you and i have talked way too many times when police officers were in harm's way and were often killed. this for some reason feels very, very different. would you agree? >> absolutely, leland. i can tell you that just being here in the city of dallas when i arrived here yesterday, you know you can actually feel the somberness in the air. and i had the opportunity, leland, to speak with a couple of dallas police officers at the airport. and you know what they told me and it was so disheartening to me as an officer myself, they said, you know, rod, we're literally hurting right now. and i could understand their sentiment. i could feel them. and then just to add to that, today at the dallas morning newspaper the headlines was "we're hurting," so i can tell you, leland, first being here with the police and right here at the scene where this incident
occurred, across the city there's an eerie feeling of somberness. >> michael, i'm taking it that you would agree that your department not only is in grief for those you've lost but you're trying to go on as well and do your jobs and protect the public that you have so well-done over the past few years as crime rate there has gone down. >> absolutely. the officers here in the dallas area, especially in the dallas police department, these officers are amazing. we have for the last 12 years been able to reduce crime with the less officers on the streets. we've had officers who had to do so much more with so much less. and last -- what happened the other night, thursday night on these streets is very hard to handle because it's not the normal way that we would accept the possibility that officers would be killed in a line of duty. we know and we accept when we knock on those doors and when we go to those family violence calls or disturbance calls that there's a chance we could be killed.
we understand that. but in the event that happened here the other day, it was such a peaceful protest where here in dallas we haven't had these type of shootings that were in louisiana and minnesota. we have had been able to maintain an excellent communication line between the citizens, the department, the administration of the dallas police department, the dallas police association and the community. we've done a really good job continuing our conversations. so for it to happen like it did was very, very disheartening. >> rod? >> yes. >> i know you had some questions for michael and i think you can probably give it a little bit more of the law enforcement perspective a little bit better. >> absolutely. mike and i have been talking as women. and i spoke with other officers p you know, i think, mike, when you respond to situations like the officers did, why don't you share with the viewers as i well know and you well know what goes through your mind when you know you're walking literally into hell. >> well, i think all officers
have trained constantly, you know, we constantly go through training as all departments. we have budgetary constraints and we wish we had more training. but when it comes down to it so many of these instances you cannot train for. we don't control what happens. the suspect or the person we're attempting to arrest, they're the ones who are in control of where we go, when we arrest, or even how we arrest. if they're going to go willingly or if we're going to have to confront them in some type of aggressive manner. when we say training will fix everything, training may be able to prepare your mindset but it can never actually prepare you for every single incident you're going into. >> absolutely. what about the fact that you actually was with the -- one of the slain police officers wives earlier today. can you share with the viewers and with leland what that felt like when you had to literally present his badge to the decedent's wife, the officer's wife. >> you know, she's a wonderful woman. i've known her for just as long
if not longer than i've known him. >> you guys used to ride together, right, in the same scout car, police car. >> lauren, yes. you know, she made a really good point and it didn't strike me until she said it and it's specifically, it's lauren, she said, this is not the way that he wanted to go if he had to go. you know, he was ambushed. he was sniped. he never even got to put up a fight. and to fight for himself or his family, to go home. and it was a travesty. it was a travesty. she has a little bit different perspective being a police officer herself and understanding of it. so it was devastating being over there earlier. >> you know, one of the questions that i'm so unasked, mike, by younger people is what is it that makes a police officer all across the country, not just here in dallas, washington, d.c., los angeles, what is it that makes us get up each day and go to work knowing we're literally going into danger not knowing if we're going to come home at night? now you know better than i, as
much as i, it's not the pay. because you know cops don't make a lot of money. what is it that drives police officers to protect this nation like we so often do? >> you know, it's a saying that you hear all the time when officers are trying to get hired or, you know, when they're going through the application process and people think it's just a phrase that you say. but it's not. it's almost what we live by. and they come in and they say the same thing. i want this job to help people. it doesn't make a difference if you've been on six months or myself 22 years, or you've gone on 35 years, you still show up every day to do just that, to help people. the average officer answers 20 to 25 calls a day and every time they step out of the car the number one concern is to do it safely and to help people. >> and to protect this nation, leland. >> we all know a lot of dallas officers did that and protected folks protesting them on thursday night as we learned at great personal sacrifice. mike, thoughts and prayers are with you and the members of your department.
rod, thanks so much. >> sure, thank you, leland. >> take care, guys. coming up, tensions remain lie in louisiana following another police shooting of a black man. >> protesters in baton rouge demand justice for alton sterling, point blank shooting death was all caught on tape. and protests, demonstrations continue in minnesota as well over the shooting of philando cass steel. that's where we find our own matt fin. >> good afternoon. police tell us they're beefing up their security into the night for the protests here in twin cities and we just spoke to the officer's attorney moments ago. much more new information coming up. (vo) stank face.
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christi. >> all right. i do want to move forward an obviously our thoughts and prayers with his with family. but you know, you're obviously a leader in the community. you've been serving the community for quite a long time. moving forward, how do you work to improve race relations and also how do you do it here in washington? do you have any plans to meet with fbi director james comey? >> i think that what we need to focus on is best practices. you look at what chief brown has done here in dallas, where he's
actually reduced complaints by over 60% because of transparency and other police tactics and community relations that he's brought into the dallas police force. and then i think we also need to look at how we can have more programs and delve more into what president obama is doing. i think those sorts of programs do a lot to help erase a lot of divisiveness and bring the community and law enforcement together. >> we've seen a lot of lawmakers come forward after the shooting and they've been push for gun control and, in fact, we heard the president mention it when he just held his press conference in poland. but i want to ask you respectfully, also what else are you urging? we've heard the gun control argument over and over again. even dating back to newtown and before that. but are you also looking at other options, creating economic opportunities, educational
improvements, other options at the same time? >> as you know, elizabeth, every community has its challenges around the country. and economic improvement, job outlook, those are two things that we must continue to look at. also, mental health. i would -- i've heard stories already about how the gunman in dallas had some issues when he came back from afghanistan. of course we saw a similar issue in lothian where a gunman took out chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield. he also had issues and had served overseas. we need to really pay attention and focus on how we can help our troops get the treatment that they need when they come back from overseas. so a tragedy like we've seen in the last couple of years and of course just a couple of days ago in dallas won't ever happen again. >> we've talked a lot about, especially last hour, community policing in dallas and how that particular community has been leading by example.
in fact, there's been a reduction of complaints of hostile encounters with police. are you seeing the same efforts in ft. worth and also are you starting to see that trend across the country and, if not, are you pushing for it? >> i am definitely seeing great improvements in ft. worth. the community and the ft. worth police department has always had really great relations. and ft. worth is one of six cities that was selected as part of a pilot program by the department of justice to work on this new community police and initiative that they have. and so i'm very hopeful. i know we can do this. i know that we can bring the community and the police together and that we can have better outcomes than what we've seen in the last year or so here. >> all right, representative, thank you so much for joining us today and, like i said, our thoughts and prayers are with dallas and of course the ft. worth area. thank you so much. >> thank you, elizabeth. the protests in dallas and other cities around the country center on the deaths of two
african-americans. one of them in baton rouge where still today angry protesters want on outside investigation into a deadly shooting of 37-year-old alton sterling allege idly that took place at point blank range in baton rouge. the service department has opened a probe into the case. joining us now from the convenience store where it all unfolded. jonathan, so far are things peaceful? >> hi, leland. yes, so far they are peaceful here outside the convenience store. as you can see behind me a rally is unfolding. it's being led by the new black panther party that came in here rallying a growing crowd for the past hour or so. this very spot had been the focus of non-stop rallies and vigils ever since tuesday's police-involved shooting that claimed the life of alton sterling. but then that changed on friday. protest organizers were
frustrated at the lack of police presence here. police were keeping their distance but many of the protesters wanted to have face-to-face contact with the police that they were protesting. and so they decided to move their demonstration right in front of police headquarters. at times they were blocking traffic on the major thoroughfare going by the police department, airline highway. at that point police officers in riot gear came and pushed them back on to the curb and warned the protesters that any who ventured back on the highway would be arrested and they made good on that promise, rounding up a handful of protesters. but by and large, the demonstrations have remained peaceful. it seems the focus has once again moved back to the convenience store and more rallies are scheduled throughout the weekend. lela leland, back to you. >> the new black panther movement rallies behind him. thanks, jonathan.
liz? we're just now hearing from the attorney for the police officer in minnesota who killed a black motorist who allegedly said he was reaching for his gun permit. police officer geronimoian mess was reacting to the prensence o the gun and desplay of the gun when he opened fire. he said, that's coming from his attorney, thomas kelly. matt finn has the latest joining us now from st. paul, minnesota. hi, matt. >> good afternoon, elizabeth. much more information coming out this afternoon in this case. we're starting to hear much more about the officer's side of the story. by and large up to this point we had only heard the girlfriend's account, mostly due to that facebook video that many of us have seen over and over again. a short while ago i spoke to the officer's attorney tom kelly. he says that not only did the officer react to the presence of a gun, he tells us that kelly -- castile that day failed to
comply with a do not move order. officer yanez ultimately told a still do not move and that he failed to comply with that order and that there was apparently a visible gun. we've also went back and looked at the face book video and there are certain freeze frames that mighting indicate a gun on castile's lap. i spoke to the attorney of the officer and said it would not be far fetched to assume that might well be the gun in his lap because the client, the aucheof responded to the presence of a gun. we heard police scanner audio that we cannot confirm as authentic but law enforcement officials sounds and looks authentic. that audio appears to indicate the officer was telling dispatch the day he pulled that car over that he was pulling the car over because castile fit the description of a wanted suspect in an armed robbery just a few days prior. we are working to confirm that information but his attorney says this would be a valid
investigatory stop. the officer went as far as to describe a castile before he got out of the car fitting the description of that wanted suspect. the attorney says yanez is complying the police. he was with the department for five years and had no disciplinary action. also, on a side note, the officer yanez is mexican, according to his attorney. not asian as the woman reynolds has described up to this point. back to you, elizabeth. >> matt finn reporting live. great job, matt. thank you so much. still ahead on this show, showing solidarity with the fallen in dallas memorial in dallas. we'll take you around the country as folks reneflect on t anger aimed at police. look at all these purchases you made with your airline credit card. hold on...you only got double miles on stuff you bought from that airline? let me show you something better. the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles
the first shots rang out, six officers and one civilian remain hospitalized. we are joined now from baylor university. hi, rich. >> good afternoon, leland. we're hear with pastor omar of the urban specialist. you work with the community and you work with folks to try to foster a better relationship within the community between the police officers and the community. what's it been like this last day and a half for you guys and what do you see in the community and what are you doing to try to help address some soft tensions we've seen? >> well, it's been -- it's been high tension because most of the young people who are out as activists, they were trying to figure out how to feel through this pain and then these tragedy that happens and it causes us to have dual pain without a lot of solutions. so what we've been doing, these guys and myself, have been trying to manage the ideas because those ideas can shape an inferno or it can shape a dialogue, depends on how you do it. we've been really trying to get everyone to talk and see things
from a different level. not just the death because the death is tragic. we are in pain because of the death of those officers, the injury to those officers and the death of those two men that caused this idea of police brutality to refester. >> you've worked with the police chief here. you've worked with house speaker paul ryan in the past. what's your work been like with them and has it been productive with government and the community? >> yeah, the police chief is with us. we have a commitment from yesterday, we talked in his office and he said, omar, we're with you. so the police chief, we have a unique relationship that says, you can have an agreement but we don't have to be disagreeable and we can find a way to communicate in a productive way and house speaker ryan, we cannot say enough about his love for community solutions. he actually called myself and anton personally and said let me pray for you, what can we do? and what we've been doing together is finding grass root solutions to these complicated problems. these are not easy problems.
so talking heads and people who just come in and folks who just want camera time, they are not equipped to handle this type of volatile situation. >> how do you do it? give me example of how you go in the community and do it. >> one, you have to find those who are qualified through some scars. you see, you've got to find people who we call urban specialists. urban specialists are people who can get close enough to the victims to identify the problem and then you've got to have the kind of commitment that's not short term. you've got to have a long term dialogue going on. the main thing is this. you've got to give people the platform and then give them the resolution as they state their issues. you just can't let the issues come up without having a solution. we have solutions. >> pastor omar, thank you for joining us. thanks for your work you do here in dallas. leland, here from dallas that's what they're trying to do on the community level and foster that conversation and better relationship to avoid what we saw happen just a couple nights ago. >> we heard president obama praise what has happened in
dallas for a model for things across the country as the crime rate there has fallen. outside one of the hospital where's the wounded are being treated. haven an update on the wounded themselves. you might remember there were 12 people shot in all, 12 officers, 5 dead, and then 7 were injured. we just got an update from the dallas area rapid transit police. they say that three of their injured officers of those two have been released. pretty difficult to get updates on the officers' conditions but good news of the three dallas area transit police officers shot, two have been released. liz? after the break, in the wake of all three shootings, the question of where justice department efforts to ease tensions between police and the communities they protect looms large.
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let's get in our political news. in nine days republican leaders are descend on cleveland an donald trump presumably will accept the party's nomination. but in top gop officials and lawmakers are saying pass on attending the convention this year. and the question remains, who will be donald trump's running mate? so here to weigh in emily of young americans foundation and talk radio host ethan beerman. thank you for joining me. emily, i want to start with you. i want to take a short look back and recap the week that donald trump had, specifically his meeting with some lawmakers on the hill. and then ask you what do you expect nine days from now at the convention. >> yes. so the convention is going to be really interesting. i think it's from this vantage point right now we really don't know what's going to happen. i think this is the hurdle that we need to clear because for the past year there's been so much uncertainty in this race and now that donald trump is a
presumptive nominee there's still a question, there's still the never trump movement is clinging to the shred of hope that's left and as soon as you can clear that hurdle at the convention and you can put on the show that donald trump is planning and we're seeing more and more information come out of it, he's going to come out of it and emerge the solid nominee and start to move on to the next phase of the campaign, which is where things will really begin to clarify, the trajectory of the race will begin to clarify, he will put his strategy, clarify against secretary clinton. the convention is the last hurd to getting into the last leg of the race and that's coming up really quickly. >> ethan, i want to get your reaction because i heard emily say the shred of hope for the never trump movement and full disclosure, please correct me if i'm wrong. i believe you're a never trumper. >> i am a never trumper. and it's interesting, she's right though. if he's able to pull it together at the convention and come out as the nominee, the question of who is going to be his vice president is really an interesting one because to your point, everybody is kind of
falling to the side. not even going to the convention. and anybody who has political aspirations, i look at mike pence on that short list and why would he want to be the vice president anyway? and he needs to do something. donald trump needs to do something. and if he's running a full wild card campaign up to this point, why doesn't he continue with that, you know, i would love to see a condoleezza rice who is not even in the running, go full wild car and choose someone like omarosa. >> you also supported him choosing his daughter. >> well, look, ivanka is fascinating candidate if if she were run for president -- >> how is that play in, saying maybe he needs someone with executive experience, run estate and knows how to work a government agency? >> well, the issue there, like i side, condi rice, mike pence. i liked joni ernst but she dropped out.
we have good candidates but nobody wants to be in his sha w shadow. while his daughter while fascinati fascinating to me and seems very intelligent we have the nepotism that you run into there but that's where, like i said, you might even joke or think it's a joke when i throw omarosa as a wild card candidate. she worked in the clinton white house. she helped write the telecommunications, has a ph.d. and she's a loyal supporter of his and you know she will work for him. like i said, i would love to see condi rice. she's not in the mix. why not go full wild card omarosa. >> emily, the last word here. ethan says no one wants to be in his shadow. perhaps we heard some lawmakers who do. governor chris christie, newt gingrich. >> i think we're missing three really interesting candidates and likely candidates. one undercard that is fascinating to me and that is the choice of going with congressman marsha blackburn. i think that would be a really interesting choice. she's a woman. strategic move going up
potentially the first female president and she does have the executive experience. ingmar shah blackburn would be an interesting choice. speaker newt gingrich, rally the conservative base that he needs to drive turnup up on election day. i think this is breaking right now but he's looking at general michael flynn and that is said that trump is push that vetting process along himself. those are three candidates very interesting choices and we'll have to watch how it plays out at the convention. very much going to be interesting. >> all right. thank you so much for joining me, both of you. i appreciate it. we've had so much breaking news. we have to remember that nine days from now it's going to be all convention all the time. so thank you so much. >> thanks, elizabeth. >> thank you. still to come, as we look at crime scene investigators in dallas, the political fallout of president obama's comments on the shooting in dallas as that city still tries to come to grips with five dead police officers. >> shocked and disblelief and a
calling police pigs and others reportedly chant, we should shoot you, to police in a violent protest in phoenix. ron, president of the law enforcement defense fund, former assistant directser of the fbi joins us. put aside for a moment what's happened on social media. president obama wrapped up a press conference a little more than an hour ago. in that he talked about the death of two african-americans at the hands of police. one in louisiana, one in minnesota, people have said those are under questionable circumstances. he talked about them, talked about their names. he did not mention or honor the names of those five dallas police officers. what message do you think that sends? >> it sends the wrong message, that has been where this president has been consistently wrong in his entire term of office. he has two often been the divider in chief. he has too often lept to
conclusions about questionable police shootings where questions are logical and responsible and reasonable and should be asked and answered. but he has somehow managed to get to the conclusion before any finding of fact. >> court of public opinion rather than a court of justice, in ferguson and baltimore so far has cleared a number of police officers. i was struck also by attorney general lynch yesterday. less than 24 hours after the shootings in dallas and she says to the protesters, which clearly some of them at least inspired this shooter or so says the dallas police chief, she says to the protesters, don't be discouraged. >> right. so, look, i'm entirely for the first amendment and responsible pro tests and the question and answers that should occur following a police incident of this nature or incidents of this nature, two of them. and so was the dallas police department. they were protecting this protest. they were guarding it. and they were ultimately victimized by their location in
it. for the most part i support the attorney general's comments yesterday because they were, by and large, uniting. they reflected, reflected i thiy of the situation and i want to you know, pull my comments towards the middle, too, but we have too many people on the outside, too many people who are throwing flames. and unfortunately, in america, too many people who have been motivated or inspired by those comments. >> important no note president was asked point-blank a comment on the shooter's motivation. and we know from the dallas police chief who said he was upset because the black lives matter movement and recent shootings wabting to kill white people, especially officers. the president, a troubled man. is that troubling for law
enforcement as they try to prevent attacks like this in the future, to sofrt hear that whitewashing by the president. >> absolutely, where the president given any opportunity against a police, he opines against the police. he doesn't wait for the facts to come out. despite being atrained attorney, he disregards the facts. disregards the process and he moves to the conclusion, race. >> ron, former assistant director of the fbi now with the law enforcement defense fund. appreciate your time, sir. thanks so much. >> long three hours here in washington. back for two more tomorrow at 1:00. constipated?
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we continue our coverage in the aftermath in the deadly mas enforcement leaving five dead and seven wounded. we have new information now about police sniper and army veteran, micah johnson, who was reportedly obsessed with heavy duty weapons and had been training for his ambush. meanwhile, we are seeing more vigils honoring the officers who died trying to protect the lives of dallas citizens. officers who ran directly into the line of fire, whose courage is garnering nationwide attention. we are learning much