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i am bill o'reilly, and always please remember this. that the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight it has been less than four days since the murder of five police officers in dallas, and still, protests, violence and threats against law enforcement continue to build in a handful of american communities. tonight we have gathered a special group together to try to find out why. welcome to a special "kelly file" everyone. we're less than 24 hours away from an incredible tribute to the officers murdered in dallas and two presidents preparing to speak to the nation in one of their few joint addresses. but tomorrow's tribute comes after a weekend of angry clashes that resulted in the arrests of
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more than 300 protestors. police in baton rouge, louisiana where a black subject was shot and killed by police last week are today expecting more unrest after a weekend in which activists shut down roadways and marched on both the state capitol and the police department. in st. paul, another black man was shot and killed by police last week, authorities say protestors attacked police with rocks, bricks bottles and chunks of concrete, one fractured a police officer's spine. so what happens next? in just a moment we'll put that moment to a panel of activists from all sides of the debate and with protests in atlanta flaring up just moments ago complete with arrests this debate is clearly far from over. we're watching that breaking news for you now. trace ghallager is live with the latest on the protests tonight. trace? >> reporter: in atlanta, 3 to
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500 protestors have been marching and chanting quote, whose streets, our streets. so far, they've blocked off intersections as well as an interest to a mall. they're hoping to get attention with those quote with money. there have been arrests but nobody hurt. this weekend, several st. paul police officers were injured after being pelted with bricks and bottles. st. paul is where philando castile was shot and killed by police, philando castile's girlfriend admits he had a concealed carry permit and shot while reaching for his wallet. in baton rouge, where alton sterling was shot and killed, 200 protestors were arrested including the out spoken black lives matter activist mckeson
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who live streamed his arrest. and the chief says, quoting, my officers are human, they're tired and they are scared. police chief david o'brown revealed during two hours of negotiations the killer laughed, sang, and asked how many officers he killed. the chief says the shooter was planning a larger attack because inside of his home, police found bomb-making material that had potential to quote have devastating affects throughout dallas and north texas. they also found ballistic vests, rifles and a journal of combat tactics, including a method to keep moving to confuse the enemy. police believe the shooter fast tracked his plan in order to kill those police officers. the killer's father spoke out. >> i didn't see it coming.
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i love my son with all my heart. i hate what he did. >> reporter: before the killer was blown up by a police robot he apparently used blood to write the letters rb on the walls of the parking garage. >> trace, thank you. we wanted to speak with people at the heart of the issue. two panelists could not be here because they were arrested this past weekend. duray mckeson and jammar green. his attorney is here to speak on his behalf. it's a difficult issue and i ask you, all of you, to whoever wants to volunteer, why you think this time we haven't already gotten to a place are let's lower the temperature. what we're seeing in the wake of last week is an escalation of
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sorts after what we saw in dallas and what we saw in louisiana and minnesota, things seem to be getting worse and more inflamed. anyone want to take that? darren? >> one of the first things we have to take into consideration this is not one incident. police are -- police protect us as a society. we need to respect police because this is what they have to do. if not we're going to have the movie "the purge". we have to take into consideration these two incidents in minnesota and louisiana are not aparations. i do not agree with the execution. calmer heads need to prevail and divide the strategy. >> how does the black community make a concerned -- >> go ahead, sir.
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>> this problem has been going on for, i mean, i can't -- there is no time to list names. you see the videos. put them on top of more than 500 people this year killed by the police. we have seen people killed doin. >> the vast majority involved are people shooting at police or hat guns pointed at police. >> that is incorrect. >> i'm not saying all of them. not saying all of them. >> disproportionately, black people are killed. >> let carl make a point. >> police officers -- [ talking over one another ]. >> that is the problem. look. bottle necking in the leader of the revolution has said the role of the police is not to protect and serve the people but the system that rules over the people. that is exactly what it has come down to. >> someone say they're out there and they're afraid.
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the police are afraid. what are you telling me? police officers taking an oath to protect us from criminal activity. if you're telling me you are scared? >> they just got shot in the head while trying to protect the community. >> you're there to protect me, what does it make me? they're running through the streets. >> they got gunned down like they were prey. >> they're members of the black community and they're shooting us viciously because they're scared. >> rocco, behind lisa. >> more to the point. the reason why this is escalating is because of our leaders. the leaders -- social media. here is what happens. someone posts something on facebook. it goes into the news and it's only a part of what happened. and everyone goes crazy, right away it's the cops, it's the cops. you know what? these cops go out there and they're taking their lives in their hands every day.
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they're scare and they're careful. they're careful. >> back row. >> that is why --. [ talking over one another ]. >> in today's today, cops are walking on eggshells because they don't want to show up on the next cell phone video and be -- before facts are even -- >> renata down in front. >> you take down --. [ talking over one another ]. >> standly here on the left. renata, go ahead. >> this is why we can't come up with a solution. no one wants to listen to one another, we should be outraged over dallas, over minnesota, should be outraged for what happened in baton rouge. no one should have lost their lives. this continues and it continues to go on. we are not going to get better until we agree on what the
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problem is. then, we can come up with a solution. >> in baltimore we've had acquittals or hung jury in all of the cases. >> i'm a young pastor in baltimore, i'm afraid to come out of my church. let's be honest. police are not trained properly. the police are not even from the community in which they're policing. >> but what is -- can i ask you what is specifically involved? we have had acquittals of the officers. they've had their day in court and acquitted by an african american judge. >> well -- >> let him answer. let him answer. >> remember, the system is designed to protect the victims not the citizens. >> is the judge racist? >> i would say again, the system is set. however we want to take that. the system is set and designed to protect the system. >> one question. political leaders that are
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saying this is race-based. two shootings other than the fact the victims were black and the officers white, where is the due process? where is there proof as of yet this was a racist-based shooting? >> go ahead. right now. this is -- sorry. lauren, lauren. then over here to you guys. >> the point is a right one that you made. right? it's not about in many cases it's not about the statistics. i think as we as white americans have to empathize with the black community in this country. whether they're right or wrong feel a grief. you don't have to agree. you don't have to understand that experience. newt gingrich said it beautifully this week. we may not personally relate. the question is as americans do we feel a sense of compassion? and understanding? >> what about that? what about that? there is a different experience we saw dating back to o.j. simpson case, right?
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whites have had different experience was law enforcement than blacks have. kevin, go ahead. kevin jackson in the front. >> colorizing, the gentleman in the back says the right thing. why are we talking about this is a black white issue. cops right or wrong, they did something. the other thing the pastor said talking about systematic stuff. a baltimore black mayor, a baltimore black state attorney. cops, police chief who is black. let me just finish. everybody in that system was pretty much black. cops involved were black. we're talking about is this some kkk guy that set this things up? the government that we're talking about here, the government we're talking about here -- >> people are saying -- >> the government we're talking about here as a government that is controlled by a president who is black, attorney general who is black, and before him, was black.
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we continue to colorize this. the problem is because we aren't having discussions. we're saying the black community is complicit. the cops are complicit. >> we heard from this, this is become an ideological issue. you've got people looking at this in terms of abusing the issue of people dying, several people in fact and now, five dead in dallas. and you've got people that are seeing this from a very ideological perspective. that is the problem with black lives matter issues. the people now controlling are directing it have a very ideological direction here. >> in the open minded you're say something. >> what is the shouting back and forth about? >> passions run deep when, as you know, many in the black community feel they're more likely to get shot in the face
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if they get pulled over and cops are just trying to protect pret yosters -- protestors and they get shot in the head. we have many things to get to. tonight we're also watching a somber service in dallas city hall plaza. candles are lit in memory of the fi five officers that gave their lives. and angry remarks. >> when you say black lives matter, that is inherently racist. >> well, i think -- >> black lives matter, white lives matter, asian lives matter. hispanic lives matter. that is anti-american and it's racist. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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breaking tonight, angry new fallout after the man who has been called america's mayor touches off a fierce debate by saying black lives matter is racist. here's former new york city mayor rudy giuliani followed by black lives matter leader deray mckesson. >> when you say black lives matter, that's inherently racist. >> well, i think their argument -- >> black lives matter. white lives matter. asian lives matter. hispanic lives matter.
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that's anti-american, and it's racist. so if you want to deal with this on the black side, you've got to teach your children to be respectful to the police. >> his statements remind that he is both a disgrace to the country and an embarrassment. he is deflecting so that we are not engaged in a conversation about the abuses of the police inflict on communities of color time and time again. >> i want to bring back our panel, a special group tonight. let me just start because i think sergeant ed mullens. rudy giuliani has gotten a lot of push back on this already. he's made similar comments in the past. was he out of line with that comment? >> i think rudy is highlighting an issue that we see from law enforcement and we can look at chicago. we can look at the city of baltimore when we see the riots and burning down your own community. from the perspective of all lives matter. as law enforcement, all lives do matter. and rudy is saying that.
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and, you know, we're going to talk about, you know, black lives matter, we should be talking about how everyone's life matters. clip you play in the very beginning of shooter in dallas, his dad, if you have children, whether we agree with what he did or not, there's a father who is heartbroken right now for what his son did. and you can take that man and translate him into the families of the police officers, the families of the individuals that were shot in louisiana and minnesota, or anyone who has had a child that was murdered. you know, we've had dozens and dozens of children in the city of chicago under the age of 12 years old that were murdered, and we're not talking about that. >> mayor giuliani was saying black lives matter only cares when the black life that's taken is taken by a white police officer. that was his point. go ahead. okay. in the back, go ahead, pastor mark burns. >> first of all, i said that, and i know it's extremely
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controversial. but the fact of the matter is it seems like black lives don't really matter until a black life is killed by a white cop because the fact of the matter is, it's not so much what white cops do to the black community, but what do us as black people do to our own community. that's a fact. giuliani brought in -- >> sorry. in the front. >> with all due respect to the pastor, i'm a pastor myself. i will say you have to be involved in the black lives matter movement to understand. it is not a moment, but it's a movement. here it is. check this out. we are talking about the black community is rebuilding itself, loving itself, not just against white people, but they're dealing with issues within themselves. so let's not just talk about just black lives matter as it -- >> let me ask you. one of the things that got some people alienated against black lives matter was the chanting that we saw after -- right around the time the two new york
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city cops got executed. >> pigs -- >> before that, it was what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them? now. we haven't seen that at every black lives -- at all. go ahead, lisa. >> everyone wants to deflect when we're getting blown in the head with bullets -- hold on. >> let her finish. >> by saying -- excuse me. by saying that -- >> let her finish. >> hold on. >> let her finish. >> everybody always says when we get shot in the head and we're killed in the streets, but blacks are killing each other. number one, oh, you want to kill us too? number two, let's be real clear. racism and murder in your community is interracial. interracial. 87% of all the white murders happen in the white community perpetrated by whites. it's no different than our
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community, but you just see us on tv doing it. all communities murder each other. it's interracial, so don't -- >> go ahead, in the back. >> don't try to deflect. >> the fact radical, evil organization. they are worse than the kkk. >> let him have his say. >> they are worse than the kkk. and black america, who are suffering, are not suffering because of racism. they are suffering because they are growing up without fathers and mothers in their homes, and these kids have first been made angry in the home about that. and rather than deal with that anger -- >> let him finish. go ahead. >> rather than dealing with that anger, they go out into the community, and they have people like jesse jackson and the naacp, barack obama, and others telling them it's the white man. and when you're already angry, it's hard to believe the truth. >> we're going to talk about barack obama in a minute. right there, yeah.
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go ahead. >> i'm trying to go back to giuliani, and i think what he says reflects a fundamental problem white america has with understanding racism in america. they see a black president, and they say, like a broken arm, it's healed. unfortunately, racism is like alcoholism. it is there under the surface [ applause ] it is only there. we need to be vigilant to watch out for it. and the black lives matter movement is not asking you to choose between black and white lives. it's asking you to acknowledge this racism that exists in america. >> part of the problem is this has been going on for decades and decades and decades. in chicago, especially, you have a history of the police department, a panel appointed by rahm emanuel found there is inherent racism. there's also lack of accountability. you have for years and years and years, not just shootings but planted drugs, false stops. verbal and physical abuse of people that are pulled over. you have false traffic stops without probable cause. this has been hidden and covered up for years and years and
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years. it is only when there is a shooting that we hear about this. i have hundreds of cases where this has happened, and it's gone on and on and on. then when this happens, so we need better training of police officers. we need psychological training so they can deal with mentally ill people. recently a person was shot swinging a bat -- >> okay. and then we'll talk about whether anything needs to happen, you know, with the constituents, with the crime rate, with the fatherless families, whether that plays any role as we just that right aft commercial break. we've got to pay the bills. >> we're also hearing some sharp new questions tonight about president obama and how he's handled this issue. brit hume has some strong words for president obama tonight. that's next. >> he has made his sympathy for the black lives matter movement obvious, and never mind that the whole premise of that movement "why are you checking your credit score?" "you don't want to live with mom and dad forever, do you?" "i'm making smoothies!"
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in dallas tuesday, president obama will be trying to calm racial tensions that his own behave has done much to aggravate. from his denunciation of the cambridge, massachusetts, police has acting, quote, stupidly in the arift of black harvard law professor henry lewis gates to his assertions that the motivations of the dallas cop
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killer are unclear. they aren't. he has consistently chosen to see things through the eyes of an aggrieved black activist rather than as a president of all the people. he has not failed to speak out whenever a black is killed by a white police officer but has said next to nothing about the continuing slaughter of blacks by other blacks in the streets of chicago, baltimore, and other cities. he has made his sympathy for the black lives matter movement obvious, and never mind that the whole premise of that movement seems to be fallacious. >> that was fox news senior political analyst brit hume leveling some strong criticism against president obama for his handling of this issue. back now with our panel as we're also keeping an eye on some tense protests in atlanta tonight, where you can just see the tensions have not calmed down. they have not calmed down in the wake of what we saw in those cities last week. two black men killed by police and then dallas, texas, five police officers murdered. anthony, you got your hand up in the back. >> i couldn't agree with brit hume more. since obama has been elected, i've been calling him our
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divider in chief. he's been fanning these flames that have grown to this point. and he only listens to people like al sharpton -- excuse me, al shar la tan. he only listens to these people on this side, and he's done more to hurt this cause and create this situation we're in rather than embracing law enforcement and all of us together as americans. he's created this racial divide that i don't see but the media and the press at large see. >> eric, has the president stirred racial tensions? >> the president has not stirred racial tensions. a lot of people are very unhappy that there's an african-american president at their helm. there's many white americans who don't even want a black boss. but now you tell them, hey, i have -- you have a president of the united states who is african-american, that's one issue. but the second issue, back to policing, back to black lives matter as well as policing, there are two major issues, megyn. i echo the lawyer from chicago. number one, there are hiring problems. the police officers need to be psychologically screened before hiring. some of these people who go on and get a badge, they should not
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have any type of job involving a gun or any type of security. secondly -- no, let me finish, kevin. the second issue are quotas. the second issue are quotas involving african-americans and poor people who are stopped and harassed by police because police are put on a quota system that they have to write a number of tickets. and also make arrests. >> go ahead. >> let me say this. obama continues to be the community activist that he is. instead of being a leader for our country. he weighed in from poland on what happened in dallas, didn't have all of the details. and when it came down to the individual being a black racist, obama changes the narrative to blame guns for what happens because being a black racist doesn't fit his narrative to say that black americans are victims. >> gail in the front. go ahead. >> that's right because all americans should let president obama know that this example of
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what happens last week should not be another excuse to advance his ideological goal to eliminate guns in the united states. because communities like chicago that are run by democrats -- >> we'll get to guns, but the question is as president obama alleges, that the president -- as brit hume alleges, the president highlighted cases for example in ferguson, missouri, which we now know was built on a lie. they did find racism within that police department, but what we were told about hands up, don't shoot, was a lie. and it is one of the mantras of the movement, which is what upsets -- go ahead, richard. is one of the reasons along with what do we want, dead cops, when do we want them, now. >> i think there's a misperception about the black lives matter movement because it goes beyond the killing of black people by police officers. it goes to what happened in flint, michigan, where the white governor put in his -- and poisoned the poor black people in that city. detroit public school systems is
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another e i both know the main way in which people know b.l.m. is the protest over police officers' behavior. >> listen, everybody keeps throwing around the word racism. let's be very clear on what racism is. racism is when a predominant group has power uses that power to deg regate or discriminate against another group. >> go ahead, joe hicks in the front. >> so the same thing -- i would call isis racist, and i would call what happened -- >> we're going to do joe and then -- >> here's the gentleman trading in conspiracy theories that a governor in flint, michigan, conspired to kill its black citizens. by the way, it's not just black people in flint, michigan, so he's going to kill a whole lot of white folks. the guy behind me that played the ultimate strawman theory, he said that everybody said because obama was put in the presidency, then racism is taken care of. who said that? who said that? >> nobody said that. >> do you think people are that
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stupid that they aren't sophisticated? as soon as the issue of black people killing black people, this woman went completely ballistic. last week -- last week -- wait a minute. you were running your mouth. wait a minute. last week, last week, three people were running -- people are familiar with san bernardino because that's where the massacre took place. two black men and a 9-year-old boy walking out of a liquor store mowed down by a black suspect. where was black lives matter? did you guys mobilize in san bernardino? >> go ahead. >> we can argue about this all day. conservatives and liberals agree that we need criminal justice reform immediately. >> absolutely. >> this is not a partisan issue. this is an issue based on facts. you've got the koch brothers. you've got rand paul working with cory booker because -- because there are systematic issues in our criminal justice
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system that if we do not deal with them, set aside whether or not we agree on who is racist or whose not. the facts and the numbers speak for themselves. which is why you have ultra-conservative groups -- >> but as brit hume pointed out, there was just a harvard study that concluded the police are more likely to shoot whites than blacks, and the man behind the study, an african-american man at harvard, called the study the most surprising result of his career. that you are more likely to get shot a police officer if you are white, they concluded. [ overlapping voices ] >> actually, we haven't heard from carl in a while. go ahead, carl. >> white people are shot by police than any other group. that's true. but disproportionately black people, native people, and latinos are -- the percentages of them shot by police are greater. >> this was factored in. this was factored in.
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that exact existed before the study. >> we're not solving anything by saying they shoot white people too. i'm saying the role of the police is not to protect the people, but to protect the system that rules over them. [ over lapping voices ] >> we're going to come back. don't worry. plenty more to go through. it's only 9:36. 9 night is young. while we keep an eye on these protests in atlanta, we're hearing a couple of folks suggest that the shooter over in dallas was a, quote, martyr. we'll put that to the panel when we come back. [beekeeper] from bees to business expenses,
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welcome back, everybody, we're watching the crowds grow in dallas. we saw provocative headlines asking whether the dallas shooter is quote, a hero or
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villain. hero? unbelievable. first, correct me if i'm wrong but the first african american miss alabama won in 83 today, 93 and said i see this guy as a martyr. i see the shooter in dallas, texas as a martyr. a martyr? go ahead. >> they're getting exactly what they wanted. they wanted us to kill cops. and guess what? that is what they're doing. they're killing cops. >> jess yica in the front. >> black lives matter never called for violence against anyone. period. what i've been hearing here, this is why our young people is to get these adults are not listening to our young people. they talk about black on black
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crime in chicago. i'm have chicago. my organizing has been on interal community violence. we need to abolish the police. period. >> abolish the police? >> what we're seeing with these cases what we're seeing, we can, can we agree a loss of a life is tragic? can we agree on that? can we all agree? on that? >> i've been peaceful but i need speak so we can agree the loss of a life is tragic. we can agree that extra judicial killing by law enforcement needs to be stopped. people -- >> who is going to protect the community? >> community -- police in this
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country began as slave patrol. >> any of that, like -- want to take that? anybody? >> kevin, since you're right there. >> the guy is villain. it doesn't matter what color he was. doesn't matter who got killed. he killed people. >> is there anyone here who sees that guy as a martyr? >> if he's a martyr, then dylan roof, killing in that church is a martyr, do you understand what i'm saying? >> the answer is no. no. the answer is no. >> no. no. >> all right. hold on. hold on, hold on. it's crossing over. we don't want to be springer-esque right?
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we want to be kelly file-esque. >> we need to invest in our police like critical infrastructure. if we don't, our bridges fall, our pipelines blow up. >> what do you do about the cops who are racist? you have a happy trigger finger? >> we need to invest in a culture of compliance, and constitutional policing. and we don't do it on a shoe string budget where there are too few cops going from 911 call to 911 call where you can't have officer friendly on the street making friends and influencing people because he's in a patrol car flying by to the next call. we have to invest. >> for any cops here, what do you think would happen if we abolish the police force? >> first of all, we're not going to abolish. let's get back into reality here. second of all, the shooter in dallas, as well as the shooter in the church are both psychotic
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mutants. third, we live in the racist, sexist, homophobic society. the police are a subculture within our culture, i'll always advocate for investing in police and through training until we root out the cancer of racism in our country as well as sexism and homophobia, we're doomed as a nation. we're divided instead of united, period. >> right now, there is a $2,200 billion on law enforcement protection. i see that the person that they're adversely and greatly impacting the minority communities. so what i see is instead of putting $80 billion in a system why don't we shift those into drug treatment programs. i see as an american, we have mandatory minimum sentencing.
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>> there are republicans and democrats working on that now. >> because we're all listening to what we -- we're listening to ourselves. no one is listening to each other. do you what works? him and i are as polar opposite. you and i are talking. we're going out for a beer. he's a nice guy. wq don't have to agree along. we have to listen to what the other person has to say. >> i've had drink was bill many times. i don't recommend it. >> go ahead, leslie. go. go. >> i must say this. we're talking about solutions. i love what he said. it's time for the police to go on the basis of relationship and not authority. >> we're seeing more community policing. we're seeing it in dallas. in dallas. >> from baltimore, on the ground, on the ground. i only see that happen, togetherness, relationship only when the camera is around.
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what about when cnn has gone away? fox has gone away. what happens? >> even in dallas they were doing that before they were tied down. >> reacting on police, how about we divest from the police and take that money and put it to youth programs and talking about crimes in our community. >> i don't know. >> police spend $4 million a day. $4 million in a day. chicago police department takes up 40% of the city's budget. >> i got to go. i got to go. >> here is a question. who can unify americans when we've seen, on this panel, the division over this issue. it goes crazy but shows you how deeply the chasms run. hillary clinton's answer versus donald trump's, right after the break.
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breaking tonight, new reaction to how presumptive major party nominees are balancing praise for police officers while recognizing that many people of color feel unfairly targeted. we're already seeing how donald trump and hillary clinton plan to address the divide, raising the question who will be better at unifying our nation. take a look. >> i will bring law enforcement
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and communities together to develop national guidelines on the use of force by police officers. [ applause ] we will make it clear for everyone to see when deadly force is warranted and when it is not. >> we must maintain law and order at the highest levels, or we will cease to have a country. 100%, we will cease to have a country. i am the law and order candidate. [ applause ] >> we're back now with our panel. tom, your thoughts. >> my thoughts are there's too much crime in the black community, too much unemployment in the black community. what we need is major tax reform, and that's what mr. trump is talking about. hillary clinton wants to raise
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energy taxes, energy prices, through regulations. that is a racist policy because blacks have the lowest average income and higher energy -- >> that's the craziest thing i've heard all night. moving on -- >> no, it's wrong. >> moving on. >> you're wrong. you're wrong. no, no. i'm not going to let you sit here and lie. >> richard fowler, go ahead. the microphone is yours. richard. >> he probably thinks i was going to be aggressive first, but hey, whatever. here's the thing. what donald trump will do, this week the bahamas issued a travel warning against the united states telling their citizens that if they come here, they're likely to get mowed down by police officers. if that doesn't tell you that we have a problem in this country, then what will? what will? his reaction is part of the problem. >> my reaction? >> yes, your reaction. [ overlapping voices ]
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>> okay. in the back. thank you, maggie gallagher. go for it. >> you know, this is a very discouraging conversation to me because what i see is that five cops in dallas were deliberately targeted. that was an attack on each and every one of us. but a shop was caught in missouri, in georgia, in tennessee. tonight i see in michigan, somebody grabbed a gun from a deputy and shot two bailiffs. the reality here is that what is new and what we have spent no time talking about is that we seem to have created a climate in which it is open season on cops. there is no right to resist arrest. >> how about -- because i'll tell you maggie's comments have been reflected on twitter where people are saying if folks would be more compliant when placed under arrest, even if they were innocent, they would not find themselves the target of police. go ahead, renata.
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>> i think we all know if philando castile was white and he was with his white child and white girlfriend or white wife, he would be alive today. i think it is open season -- excuse me. excuse me. it is open season on black men because they are seen as objects of fear. no, that is -- we need to address that. >> rocco, let him respond. rocco. >> it's part of the problem. here's what needs to happen. starting from the top down, starting from the president, starting from sharpton, jesse jackson, the other so-called leaders, dr. dre, all the professional people and professional black men need to start getting into the communities. take off the thousand dollar suits. get into the community and say, hey, guys, here's what needs to happen. we need to start getting an education. we need to start looking at the books. >> i got a heartbreak in five seconds. we'll be right back. with my moderate to severe crohn's disease,...
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i was just saying to the panel here that one of the frustrations with cable news is we rarely solve anything, but we do get to shine a light. hopefully we did some of that tonight. kelly file with your thoughts. thank you, panel, and it you all. good night. welcome to "hannity." the war on america's law enforcement is now intensifying. coming up in just a few minutes we'll check in with newt gingrich, also retired lieutenant general michael flynn, also laura ingraham tonight. earlier today at a courthouse in michigan, an inmate shot and kills two bailiffs and injured a sheriff's deputy after stealing the deputy's gun. over the weekend, get this, 21 police officers were hurt. that was in st. paul, minnesota, after being heart with rocks and bricks and bottles and chunks of concrete. cops were also shot at in chicago and san antonio police headquarters. multiple shots fired there. in the face of this