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>> hours later tanks were seen rolling in toward a government palace in ankara. explosions and gunfire reported. at least 09 people killed during the chaos and 1100 others wounded. >> it's unclear what turkey will look like when the dust settles. but erdogan says that they will pay a heavy price for treason to turkey. for more insight on this we bring in amy kellogg and she is live in nice, france. what is the latest? >> as you were saying it appears that the coup attempt overnight has failed with president erdogan saying that he is fully in control of the situation, blaming rebel factions of his
military and a reclusive imam who lives in the poconos of all places, someone who erdogan has been blaming over some time now, maybe even years for trying to undermine him. they were close allies at one point. he has a series of charter schools in the united states. but he issued a statement saying he had nothing to do with any of these. in the meantime, the situation is not entirely calm in turkey. there have been reports of sporadic gunfire and explosion. it is still a very fluid situation. dozens of military personnel have surrendered quite dramatically, leaving their tanks, putting their hands in the air crossing bridges. 1500 have been arrested and at least 60 people have been killed in the violence overnight. erdogan returned in recent hours
to istanbul to show he was in control. the plotters took advantage of his absence. he warned the coup plotters they would pay a heavy price for their, quote, treason, saying again he is in control and encouraging people to come out to the streets across turkey and show their support for him. again, this coup attempt was allegedly to, quote, reinstall order, democracy, human rights, and freedom. erdogan is, in fact, the democratic elected president of turkey but in recent years there had been complaints about his increasing saw her authoritaria and he had warned of elements who wanted to overthrow him in the military. there is a tradition in turkey of the military taking over when
they feel the secular values of the country are in some sort of danger. he, erdogan, is an islamist and as much as he is very open about his islam but he has always very open. but he has always been viewed or at least traditionally by his nato allies as being a moderate force for civility in the rae john, again, some of that being thrown into question with his policies in syria and his lack of control up until recently of the borders and the flow of foreign fighters. so it's a very complex situation, and then there's the kurdish question too, patricia, which has become more acute recently as a certain cease-fire with the kurds has deteriorated under erdogan's second term or third term of power. so anyway, a fluid situation in turkey. the coup apparently has failed,
and yet, much more remains to be seen. >> you're reporting from the promenade where thursday's deadly attack in nice happened. what is the latest on that? the. >> reporter: i didn't hear all of that, i think you're asking me for an update on nice, which is where i am right now. there have been raids this morning. there have been raids this morning in nice. three people arrested. the main question this morning is who was this truck driver. mohammad bouhlel, a tunisian who had lived in france legally for some years. he has not been proven to have any links to islamist groups. he is said by neighbors to have been a very volatile and unmess
the person wi ant person. he wasn't a regular mosque goer, he did not wear rm on his sleeve. he was not known to have radicalized. his documents and computers are being searched. but there's no suggestion that i has connections abroad. he was known to have visited tunisia quite often. and of course tunisia has supplied many forabeign fighter to eiraq. it begs many questions, patricia, because people have been quick to say this was a terrorist attack. and no one here has backed off that, but the mystery is, to what extent was he self-motivated, and what was his ideology? it's possible that he just followed the exhortations of
certain imams and isis supporters about using a vehicle to mow down people. but, again, his links to the bigger community are still very unclear. and that puts people here on edge, wondering if there were accomplices, wondering what this is all about. this as the morning continues with floral tributes across this city. the death toll remains at 84. but there are a good 52 people who are still in a very serious condition between life and death. it is a beautiful day. this is a fantastic rae soesort there is a very somber mood, because what happened here two nights ago is something that really rocked this region and the world. the number of victims come from all different countries. there were muslims, asians, americans, this was a very indiscriminate attack that came out of the blue.
on a night when people were just celebrating france's national holiday, bastille day. >> amy kellogg live from nice, france, thank you so much for those updates. and just in to fox news, turkey's acting chief of staff says 104 plotters have been killed. let's bring back mike baker, who is a former cia officer. thank you for sticking with us, we had to go to a break there. but i wanted to ask you this question here. when ataturk first established this state of turkey after the ottoman empire had been defeated after world war i, he had put the military in a very unique position of having this duty to defend this new constitution of the civil and political rights of this secular state, if this is the case, and they were doing what they thought that they
were, had the right to do and the duty to do, how does president erdogan sell this as a wrong thing to the turkish people? >> caller: well, i mean, to the more conservative, and to the islamist population, you know, those are the folks who came out on the streets to show their support for him, so he doesn't have to sell it to them. in the past, you're absolutely right. in four past coups, the military has demonstrated that it takes very seriously this idea that they are the keepers of the tradition of a secular tradition. the protectors of the constitution, and so i would, you know, i don't think frankly that erdogan really cares about the idea of selling this in a democratic way or in a, how we would view a democratic process.
to be you know, sort of blunt again, he's not acting in our interests. and i know that sounds selfish. something hilike this happens, what's in the best interest of the u.s. that's how every country thinks. we act apologetic about it. but he has not been acting in a way that's in our best interests. we talk about turkey as a nay know toe ally. think if he's successful in moving it toward an islamic state. we think of it as a democratic partner and member of nato. it doesn't add up. it doesn't marry up. so i would argue that if he is able to maintain control, look, a couple hours ago they were talking about punishing or
having about 750 military members under arrest now. you can count on that just continuing to increase. as, you know, everyone and anyone that he views in an on r opportune fashion, we'll see it again in a more organized fashion. >> and i would really love to be able to get a handle on what percentage of the turkish population wants things to stay the way that they have in this secular sense and not go forward with president erdogan's plans. >> caller: right, well, i think you know, a large element of the population has been concerned over the past year, couple years in particular as, you know, he's moved to rewrite the constitution unilaterally to give himself far greater executive powers as, you know,
governme government. they have been out arresting individuals who they view as not being conservative enough or not, not recognizing ramadan sufficiently. so you know, i think that you asked the question, here in the u.s., the white house, they have to go through certain steps. again, it's a bit of a kabuki theater. but if you pull people out of the state department and survey the organization and elsewhere, and they're honest, you know, they're going to say that erdogan's problematic. and you know, yes, of course we have to say fine, we'll support whatever actions there in terms of democratic government, but nobody really believes that. >> all right, well, mike baker, former cia, thank you so much for sticking with us this morning. >> thank you.
we just got word that the turkish prime minister will be holding a news conference sometime very shortly, and skynews, our sister network in europe is going to be providing the translation or interpretation in english, so we're going to be bringing that to you as soon as it begins, again, prime minister different than president erdogan, but certainly an ally there. so we're going to be taking that live any moment now. and joining us is a former u.s. army intelligence officer andrew peek. peek was a former adviser to the united states and nato commanders in afghanistan. and thank you so much for being with us so early this morning. what's your reaction to the events? i apologize. we have not, we have lost mr. peek and we'll get to major
general bob scales in a moment as well. i want to update -- all right, let's go to major gjor general scales. and thank you very much for being with us. you've been following this over the last several hours as it's been untolding hefolding here, surprised by this attempted coup and howell this w well this was? >> caller: actually, i'm not. even though they're a member of nato and appear to be a western army, they carry with themselves this sort of sacred inheritance from kamau ataturk going back decades where they consider themselves a guarantor of the constitution. even in their military academy
and military schools, they actually teach that. they teach their officers to understand that they will always have this option in the army. if it looks as if the government is drifting away from secularism, that they can intervene. as a tradition, they don't intervene for political reasons, which is very curious. they intervene to prevent turkey from falling back into the old sort of ottoman trough, where they become a religiously driven islamist government. and so what i think we saw here today was a ham-handed, amateur attempt by the military to seize power and completely ignoring what happened in egypt. inability to control social media. and of course erdogan came back into power, not by recapturing
the state media, but by simply tweeting. and the result was that this military coup fell apart very quickly. >> erdogan said that he is committed to secularism, do his actions belie that? >> caller: no, no. i guess, greg, if you had to, if you had to weigh this, as far as the united states is concerned, and that's kind of what i think about, a couple thins fgs for o viewers to understand. first of all, there is no offensive against isis without turkey. the turkish military is really the strongest in southern nay kno toe. the center of gravity of isis is literally 50 miles away from turkey. they are managing nearly 4
billion refugees that they manage with an iron hand. there's a u.s. military command, a three-star army gem stationge stationed. and an air base and search and rescue. so turkey is absolutely key to defeating isis. so if you view whether the coup should have been successful or grateful that it failed. the bottom line what we want to have is erdogan and his military slowly but surely turning themselves around to support nato, support the united states to turn their military might against isis.
so i guess if i had to conclude, greg, where all this is going, politically it's neutral. i'm not sure the turkish people will benefit from it, but i do think, i do think this coup attempt will bring mr. erdogan back to reality and make him understand that stability in turkey is in its best interest, and perhaps it's time to take care of the problems on his border before he tries to grab power and become a dictator. >> and so the fact that he has used his military to crackdown on anyone who opposes him, protests out on the street, dissidents, civil libertarians, he's put journalists on trial and shut down media organizations. and has been i have heavy-handed. domestically. >> yeah. >> that could take a back seat, because the primary focus should be defeating isis, and we desperately need turkey's assistance. >> caller: i think the key for
erdogan is he has to control his borders. he's picked a fight with the kurds. he has, he is turning on the syrian regime. he's very, i have slowly coming around to an american view of the military response against isis. i think now, i hope now he turns around and realizes that it's in his best political interest, that he's best able to maintain and grow his power if he focuses not just on crushing domestic opposition but on turning to his southern border. what's also interesting, you'll note, that in spite of all this media accounts of generals and colonels and seems that the senior military weren't involved in this. and in past successful military
coups, it has always been senior turkish military who sought to, you know, reassert the power of the constitution as they say. so this is, this appears to be pretty much amateur hour when it comes to turkish coups, and i think mr. erdogan needs to pay attention to that. because of what just happened last night he sets, in my opinion, uneasy. >> major general bob scale, thank you very much for putting this in perspective for us. >> caller: thank you, greg. as we mentioned a moment ago, we're awaiting a news conference, not from president erdogan, but the prime minister who is going to be speaking before television cameras and microphones. we will have interpretation via skynews out of europe. so as soon as that begins we'll bring it to you live. in the meantime, this morning, at least 90 people are dead in this military coup attempt in
more than 90 people, at least 90 people have been killed during the attempted coup in turkey, and 1500 members of the military, according to the state-run media in istanbul has reportedly been detained. the president insists he's in charge and that the coup will not in the end succeed. it appears to be mostly over, but we cannot confirm that. joining u chus, chuck nash, a retired member of the navy. we were talking earlier, captain nash, with major general bob scales. he referred to this as a rather amateurish attempt at overthrowing the government, would you agree? >> caller: i would have to agree. however, it appears as if there were enough people involved that they had aircraft involved.
they had some artillery, not artillery, but some armor. and a fair amount of troops. so it does not appear that it was a top-down thing. it does appear something that was a matter of speculation early on, that it was colonel level. so in that regard, i would take his point that this was not something that was deep-seeded and destined for success. i think it was something done in the hope that it would, it would bring other people out to their satisfaction and be a spark to start the fire. >> and indeed just the opposite appears to have happened. we've been talking all morning long with global radio network reporter tom stevenson who said one of the more remarkable things about all of this, and
kit erdogan despises media and social media in general and took to social media and appeared to ask and beg his supporters to rise up against these military leaders who were seeking to overthrow him, and they did precisely that. you can see some of the pictures on our screen there. at some point in time people actually laid down in front of tanks, reminisce the of tiananmen square. are you surprised by that? was that sort of the x factor that very few people would have anticipated? >> caller: well, it is rather ironic, isn't it, that it was social media that he used, because he shut social media down in turkey several times when it was stirring against him and he didn't like it. so he shut it down. you know, he has won multiple elections. from the time that he was the
mayor of istanbul, he was a different erdogan. he was extremely popular as the mayor of istanbul. he took over when the city was in deep debt and actually got the city out of debt, was quite successful, received national prominence, of course, and went on, you know, absent some time spent in jail because of his involvement with his current party. so he has quite a following. he's won multiple national elections. so, for him to get on social media and call people to come out to his defense, i think there were a lot of people who did because a, they supported him, but that were probably people who came forward not because they supported him but because they didn't support the concept of a military coup in their country.
>> cap tatain nash, some of our viewers are taking to social media asking where and how were 1500 military folks arrested? and what will they do with them now? >> caller: well, i think a lot of times it might just come down to, are you willing to pull the trigger and fire on your own people. >> yeah. >> caller: you know, you could be all, maybe in the barracks all fired up. we're going to take the country, and we're going to depose this guy because of what he's doing to our country, blah, blah, but in the end, if you're armed and there's sit renzi -- citizenry, are you going to point your weapon, and kill civilians. that takes a whole different thought than just being angry.
>> captain chuck nash, thank you very much for being with us so early this morning. we appreciate it. >> you bet, greg. >> we will continue our coverage of the attempted military coup in turkey. >> the president is doing what he can to let his country know that he is still in charm. stay with us. [plumber] i need to be where the pipes are. so i use quickbooks and run my entire business from the cloud. i keep an eye on sales and expenses from anywhere. even down here in the dark i can still see we're having a great month. and celebrate accordingly. i run on quickbooks.that's how i own it.
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isis and the man who was at the, driver of this truck yesterday. there is no reportable evidence of a connection to isis by french authorities. but now isis claiming responsibilitlility nevertheles. the turkish government appears to have crushed an attempted coup in turkey. let's go to tom stevenson coming to us live via skype. you've been with us throughout the morning. we appreciate the time coming back. any new updates since we last spoke? >> well, yes there are, in fact. the acting chief of staff, the reason he's the act chief of staff is that the chief of staff of the army was essentially kidnapped in the attempted coup last night. and he was held without any contact with anybody, which is
sort of a coup tactic. he was the only sort of high- w high-profile politician they were able to detain. he was missing for several hours and has apparently been released, but there has been no word from him. so there is another military gem who's play -- general who's playing the role. there have been more than 100 from the coup forces, and killed, and the number of arrests have gone up. the number they're claiming is exceeding 1500 military personnel, which is very
substantial. that's a great number of people to be involved in a coup. >> and many of our viewers on social media have been tweeting and chatting about, how do they round up these 1500 soldiers, and where do they detain them? and what will be their fate? >> yes, those are all very good questions. as to how they rounded them up, many surrendered and they were captured. they, i assume, used force. but a great deal surrendered. you look at the number of detention. so that's, i think that's relatively clear, as to where they're taken, they're generally taken to police stations. holding cells. they're taken in some places, held in barracks, rather than being jailed at this point. i'm sure they'll be treated very roughly. there's no getting around that. they're going to be, i mean,
turkey is banana republic. there is a legal system in place. and they'll be dealt with according to that. nonetheless, anyone tried with treason could well face capital punishment, not impossible. i don't think we're going to see in excess of 1500 death sentences. don't get me wrong. i'm sure we'll see long jail sentences and quite possibly some executions. president erdogan has come out with a written statement fen in which he really has doubled down saying he thinks this is the work of gulen, living in pennsylvania. they say they condemn it and so on.
. . . s the military coup in turkey appears to have failed but at considerable cost. the loss of life. at least 90 people have been killed in this failed coup attempt. and hundreds have been injured. more than 1,000, actually, and 1500 members of the military and others reportedly in custody. joinings now with insight, fox
new the military analyst, general jack keen, and your reaction to these events? >> caller: i can certainly understand the frustration the military feels. they've watched their country move from a democracy to an authoritarian dictatorship, with parties and moving to a secular government to an islamic government, and certainly erdogan's dealing with isis has been very frustrating to us. while he's given us the military bases, he facilitated the trafficking of people through his border, the isis training camps. they've been trading on the black market with their oil commodities, the major source of their revenue. so this has been a very
frustrating period with us dealing with them, but even more so for people in his own country. i'm certainly not advocating the violence that's taken place, but i do understand the frustration and what they thought was an opportunity to move turkey back to the kind of democracy that they want. >> general, if we look purely at america's self interests in destroying and tee fedefeating utterly, isis, would we have been better off if the coup had succeeded? >> caller: well, we don't know for sure. who's leading this? what are their policies? we're only drawing inferences from that, that they're opposed to the direct that erdogan was taking his country, and we're making assumptions that that also involved sort of his mixed performance on dealing with isis. we can only speculate in that
case. but listen, he has also, as i said, i mean, we're conducting air strakes from, you know, and we're doing other things that are classified, also, against isis from turkish territory, so there has been some support. i'm no longer suggesting that there has not, but it certainly has not been what we wanted it to be, which is all-out support for the defeat of isis. >> since the military here in turkey, the way that it has been set up here for decades is they've been the custodian of this democratic constitution, of this secular state, why do you think that not all of the military was on board in this coup? >> caller: well, i think the, i don't have any sense of what the
organization was and how well they were able to organize this and the amount of preparation that they were going to make. but certainly, this thing failed, failed miserably. and normally in a situation like this, even dealing with the president himself, if this was better organized, i think they would have made certain one of the first things they did was capture him, so i'm just surprised how it all unfolded. but i do think that there's obviously, weaknesses here in what they were trying to achieve, and they definitely did not have the support that maybe they thought they were going to get. >> the military issued a statement, the military leaders, i should say, who were behind this coup attempt, had issued a statement, trying to explain why. they said they wanted to restore true democracy.
president obama has issued a statement saying that the united states backed erdogan, because he was democratically elected. i suppose there seems to be a disagreement here on what exactly constitutes democracy. is the white house simply stressing that we're better off going with someone like erdogan because we don't know what would happen if we didn't? >> caller: well, i think, certainly, i can understand. i mean, this is a member of nato. we're a member of nato. so that's a little policy perspective. i understand what the president thought, probably a better choice would be just to wait and not jump so early on, you know, on supporting the, supporting the incumbent. it didn't work anyway, so that's the reality. if the coup had been successful, at some point, we obviously, as
much as we do not recognize governments that take over as a result of military coups, we would obviously be dealing with this, with this new government, if they were in fact successful, they would still be a member of nato, obviously, and that would be the reality of it. we've had to deal with similar situations in egypt. i think the better public policy would have been to just wait and not make any statement and see what happens. >> general jack keene, thank you very much for being with us. >> caller: good talking to you. other nations reacted to the attempted coup. >> government officials in pakistan are condemning the violence. one official is hoping peace and normalcy will be restored. more on this developing story after our break. you won't see these folks at the post office.
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for the gruesome attack. and now authorities in france have detained at least five people after a series of raids linked to the violence. that attack killed more than 84 people and injured more than 200 others. the turkish president is claiming he is in charge after an attempted military coup. and so far, the reaction from washington, d.c. has been swift. kelly wright joins us now from our newsroom in d.c. >> president obama was briefed by his national security team. the president is urging all parties in turkey to support the democratically elected president erdogan. earlier tonight, demonstrators gathered in front of the white house. among them were supporters of turkish president and those against him. president obama is urging everyone in turkey to show restraint instead of the resorting to violence or blood
shed. he spoke with secretary kerry. he spoke with turkey's foreign minister and emphasized the u.s. will support turkey's government. the united states views with gravest concern the events unfolding in turco. we urge all parties to ensure the safety and will being of diplomatic missions personnel and civilians. turkey is a key ally of the u.s.-led efforts to defeat isis and has allowed us to use their air base. the coup attempt so far has made no impact on the air base and the air operations against isis continues.
we understand that on the presidential campaign trail here in the u.s., democratic candidate hillary clinton discussed the coup attempt, echoing kerry's response, saying we should all urge calm and respect for government and freedom in support of the democratically elected government. so far, there has been no statement from republican presidential candidate donald trump. >> kelly, thanks very much. we continue to follow the events as they unfold in turkey. we expect the prime minister, not the president, but the prime minister, to be holding a news conference. when that begins, we'll be carrying it live for you. stay with the fox news channel for the latest rabreaking news.
a power struggle playing out in turkey as an attempted military coup under way. i'm patricia stark. >> our continuing coverage of the chaotic theme in turkey. this hour it's unclear exactly who is calling the shots in turkey but the country's president, erdogan insists it's him. >> a night of explosions and gunfire. we're learning at least 190 died. 41 police officers, 2 soldiers, 47 civilians and