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fool. thanks for watching us tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight on a very busy evening, we're monitoring the streets of milwaukee. after two straight nights of violent riots have erupted following the shooting death of an armed african-american man killed by an african-american police officer. wisconsin governor scott walker will join us live in an exclusive interview. welcome, everyone, to "the kelly file." i'm trish regan, in for megyn kelly. also breaking, new details on a potential fbi investigation into corrupt ties between hillary clinton's state department and the clinton family's multibillion charity. but we begin with a major speech from donald trump. mr. trump speaking in youngstown, ohio, laying out his
vision on foreign policy, defeating isis, and defending the united states homeland. here's just some of what mr. trump had to say. listen. >> just as we won the cold war in part by exposing the evils of communism and the virtues of free markets, so, too, must we take on the ideology of radical islam. we should only admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people. i call it extreme vetting. assimilation is not an act of hostility but an expression of compassion. >> now, in just moments, we'll be joined by former cia director with his reaction to donald trump's speech, and then two experts with their fingers on the pulse of the muslim and immigrant communities inside our nation. mohammed chaudhry and bridget gabrielle, but first, we begin with fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron who is on the road in cleveland
following the trump campaign. carl. >> hi, trish. truffle's speech was very well received by the audience. and he did stick to teleprompter. very few deviations. and so generally, this was taken by his supporters as a sign of his ability to show some discipline on the campaign trail and talk about very important issues, obviously, the doing away of isis. he talked about a number of ways in which he would do that and he pretty aggressively criticized hillary clinton and president obama for their handling of a wheel series of conflict areas around the world. he made the point that immigration has to change. he didn't exactly do away with his complete so-called temporary ban on muslims but he modified it to say there would be extreme spreting and some countries where vetting would not be sufficient. and he said fighting terrorism should be compared to the cold war. in other words, it would not just be a military battle. it would be of ideology, social
and economic pressure and battles and penalties. this is the sort of thing that's already going on of course. and he criticized mrs. clinton, particularly on her judgment, questioned her moral character, her mental capacity, and questioned her stamina to do the job. and then got very critical about how president obama and his administration took the u.s. into conflict and military action in both egypt and libya. watch. >> president obama and hillary clinton should have never attempted to build a democracy in libya, to push for immediate regime change in syria, or to support the overthrow of mubarak in egypt. >> one of the reasons why donald trump's judgment gets questioned is because of his sort of self-contradictory remarks and evolving positions. and back in 2011, he had an interview with greta van susteren in which he complained that the u.s. was not doing enough in libya and said the
obama administration really should get involved to stop the violence militarily, and he talked about egypt and said it was a good thing that then president mubarak was ousted because he was worth billions of dollars and was essentially bilking his people and abusing the population. he also suggested the u.s. should get into a closer relationship in order to fight isis. he said that would be a good thing. it came on a day where paul manafort was knocking down a front page article of the "new york times" that suggested he had received over $12 million in moneys according to accounting ledgers that were discovered by the ukrainian corruption department. he denied there being anything untoward about that and called it another example of the liberal media biased against trump and all things trump. >> thank you so much. >> here to react to mr. trump's speech today, ambassador james wolsey, a former director of the cia. ambassador, welcome. >> good to be with you, trish. >> in your view, did donald trump lay out a worthwhile plan? >> i think largely, he did.
i think this was his best speech. it was coherent. it moved by paragraph, not by sort of random wanderings off. it seemed to me to be something that he worked on hard, and his people had worked on hard with him. and it held together. so yes, i think he did a good job. >> he stuck to the teleprompter, then. let me ask you about some of the specific proposals. he said he is going to engage, and we will engage in extreme vetting and repeated that a few times. extreme. what does that mean? >> i'm not sure exactly what he has in mind, but people need to remember that during the cold war, we didn't let, for example, a russian soviet family in into the united states to be tourists without extreme vetting. i mean, we didn't just do it. and it's his way, i suppose, of
saying that if people from a country where there is a lot of disruption or potential -- syria, say if someone from syria is going to come to the united states, he needs to really get his background thoroughly analyzed and find out, do we need to find out a lot about him and so forth, whereas if it's somebody coming from new zealand, it probably takes a minute if that long at the airport. >> well, yet, ambassador, we know, and we have seen this proven that you don't have to be from syria to commit a terrorist attack. i mean, when you think about all the europeans, for example, that could potentially come here because of our visa waiver program, and we have seen this in europe, has islamic extremist tendencies. how do you vet against that? >> you're exactly right, trish. that's hard. you're going to miss people if you just rely on that kind of vetting. you've got to do other things.
you've got to run agents that infiltrate overseas groups that might be inclined to terror. see if any of them is planning to visit the united states. you've got to run a higher operation, a set of operations. you can't just sit there and look at whoever shows up on the airplane. >> let me ask you about the reference he made to russia, effectively being willing to extend an olive branch in that we're in this fight, as he would see it, together. in other words, we share a common enemy. when you think back in history, ambassador, that's kind of what happened in world war ii, right? >> exactly right. >> we linked up with the likes of stalin because we needed to defeat the nazis. is history in some ways replaying itself here? >> trish, you're exactly right. we were allied for three years and eight months that we were in world war ii. we were allied with the man who was at that point history's
greatest killer. stalin had killed more than anyone else in history at that point. mao passed him a few years later. when russian troops and tanks rolled into eastern europe, sadly, at the end of world war ii and took over eastern europe, they rolled in on wheels made in detroit. you have to hook up with and work cooperatively with some rather unsavory characters if you're going to operate in this real world. and it's a shame, but you don't get to choose your friends. or even your allies. >> not if you want to win. thank you so much. good to have you here tonight, ambassador. here with additional reaction to donald trump's ideas for combatting radical terrorism in the united states. mohammed chaudhry and bridget gabriel, the founder and ceo of act for america, and author of
"because they hate us." or "because they hate." i'm going to start with you, a provocative book title, certainly. what was your assessment of this speech today and his plan to vet people, even like yourself, because you're a christian, but you're from lebanon. you would be someone who would be highly scrutinized under donald trump's plan. are you okay with it? >> actually, i love his speech today. it's about time we have a leader in this country who basically calls a spade a spade and does everything he can to defend the country. as an immigrant from lebanon, i remember my country right now is run by hezbollah. it's a terrorist organization. i escaped persecution to come to america because i wanted to live in freedom, as a legal immigrant. i came here because i wanted to be a part of the american fabric and contribute to the society. those are the type of immigrants we want. we do not want immigrants coming here who hate our way of life, who do not want to live under our constitution, who do not
value equality between men and women, who bring a different set of values into this country. those are not the immigrants we want. and i thought his spe was fabulous. >> of course, a lot of people are going to take issue with parts of it, in part, mohammed, because he effectively is saying, look, if you are a muslim, or if you're from one of these countries that practices islam, we're going to look at your more carefully. how do you react to that? >> you know, he continues to demonstrate fearmongering, and fearmongering is not a solution. ignorance and bigotry is not a solution. >> let me jump in. i don't know it's necessarily fearmongering. the reality is we're facing a threat. at the very beginning of that speech, he did something many might say was quite effective in that he just listed the terror attacks we have experienced recently in this nation one after another and then went through what europe is facing, so there's a reality there, which is not necessarily about
fearmongering. it's about what we all feel given this threat. >> well, there's two problems. one, he needs to do his homework before he comes up with a solution. first, he needs to join me in visiting a mosque and seeing what is islam versus extremism. he needs to meet with muslim leader leaders, the largest muslim leader in the world, to understand what he's doing against this. the issue here is, if it's not fearmongering, 97% of the people of these extremists kill is muslims. it's not islam versus muslim. >> how do you fix it? that was one of the principles of his speech today. we need to call on the muslim community and work with the muslim community to get the muslim community onboard to fix this. how do you change it? >> that's a great point. and the campaign we launched in america is called true islam. true islam takes 11 points of these extremists use to manipulate religion to
radicalize youth in particular. we have the counternarrative. the counterideology, like he talked about toot, the counter ideology of these 11 points, i invite donald trump to endorse these, like freedom of religion, like having equity with women, like no terrorist. so we have a campaign in place in america where we're inviting muslims and nonmuslims to come join us. and that's how we're going to provide a counterideology. the only people that agree are the extremists and the islamophobes that this is religion. this is not uz laum. >> you want to respond to that? >> absolutely. we need to keep mind that he represents the movement who only account for 20 million muslims worldwide. it's a fraction. their movement started only in the 19th century, last century. he believes in angels, so is his followers. this is not the muslims we're worried about. we want more people like mahmoud, but he does not
represent the radical islam. >> thank you so much. good to have you here. >> new reaction to donald trump's meteoric rise from businessman to republican nominee. our next guest explains trump's seemingly unstoppable rise by framing it in terms of some of his most loyal supporters. working-class white americans. j.d. vance joins me next. >> plus, fears we could see another night of riots in milwaukee tonight after protests over a police-involved shooting this weekend leave one u.s. city on edge. governor walker is here exclusively. >> my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means
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social crisis. so you have declining manufacturing jobs and other blue collar industries and on the other hand you have rising mortality rates, rising heroin epidemics. and in a rising family breakdown rate. for folks that have grown up in the areas they see a community, a neighborhood, cities that are struggling in different ways and they see the republican party and democratic party that hasn't responded for appreciated the fact they're struggling. >> is there irony to the fact that the guy that is a billionaire, a guy with more money than mitt romney, for example, who is one of the wealthiest that has run comes in and relates to the working class american that so few politicians have been able to do? >> absolutely. it is a little weird. it provides an interesting
lesson. that is is that sometimes the bar can be low because of the failures of other politicians. yes, trump is a billionaire. yes, i don't think he understands what folks are going through, but he tries to diagnose the problems they're suffering from and tries to talk about the problems they're facing and the feelings that set in when you feel like your life and your community isn't going too well. >> i just have a few seconds left. do you think the republican party, as a result of donald trump, and success with these working-class americans has been forever changed? >> welsh i hope it has. i don't want the republican party to go back to a party that is disconnected from its base. if he doesn't win, the party is gooding to have to figure out how to appeal to them. >> they need them. thank you so much. good to have you here. this time, a series of headlines
that could point to trouble for the candidate. first, from the "wall street journal." a scathing review. they write, quote, if they can't get mr. trump to change his act by labor day, the g.o.p. will have no choice but to write off the nominee as hopeless. he decides to decide if he wants to behave like someone who wants to be president or turn the nomination oaf to mike pence, then, "the washington post", noting his struggle among millennial voters. and joining me now, pastor darrell scott. welcome. what do you say to what the "wall street journal" said there? as well as "the washington post post". let's start with the journal. you need to get your act together or else? >> or else what? >> or else you might lose.
>> yes. but they're talking about what is -- is it acceptable? they're acting like trump is a bad kid at school on double secret probation. >> an interesting point in that second paragraph in that op-ed. they said republicans are historically challenged in terms of the media. the media, main stream media doesn't like those on the right. so he needs to accept that and basically, not give them anything else to poke holes at. and you may changed things today. >> if donald trump sneezes it's going to be headlines. >> right. >> for him to try to down play,
the media drives news cycles. we thought everybody is going to catch ebola. the media creates a trump hysteria every week, there is a narrative. they're questioning trump's mental capacity. every week it's a new created hysteria. >> to get up in front of that in a stronger way. when hillary clinton goes after me and suggests i am suggesting assassination, talking about bobby kennedy's assassination when referencing why she shouldn't get out of the race against now-president obama. >> you know to be honest with donald trump, he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.
anything he says can and will be used against him in the court of public opinion. >> i think you're on to something. >> he's portrayed as a bad guy. this guy khan came after him and trump asked a rhetorical question. >> he has to be careful not to take the bait. >> they say trump has to act presidential. what is presidential? be evasive? is it presidential to dance on "ellen"? what is presidential? >> fair point. pastor, good to see you, thank you. coming up, members of congress will get their hands, soon, on key evidence of the fbi probe of hillary clinton's private server. why interference from the obama state department could delay that process. and in milwaukee, weekend
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growing fears of riots tonight in one major u.s. city. after police-involved shooting this weekend leaves part of milwaukee looking like a war zone. a handful of police were injured. their patrol cars torched, and half a dozen businesses nearly burnt to the ground on saturday in protests that erupted over the fatal shooting of a black man by police on saturday. things got so bad that the national guard was requested on sunday. and while they were never officially called in to action, we did see more arrests, more looting, and more officers injured. in preparation for what could be a long night, a 10:00 p.m. curfew has been put in place for teenagers in milwaukee tonight. and amid reports that journalists are being attacked as well by these so-called protesters, some residents are
prepared for another potentially tense night. in just moments, wisconsin governor scott walker will join us for a "kelly file" exclusive, but first, we go to milwaukee with more on what to expect tonight. matt. >> good evening. well, everyone in this immediate area in this community is on edge yet again. police and neighbors hoping that this is not night three of these violent protests that we have seen. last night, we were there and watched as police officers were hit with bricks and bottles. it was very painful to watch as they walked, limping away. the mayor is pleading for peace in the streets and has urged parents to find their kids and, quote, pull them in the house by the ear if needed. police say 75 different separate incidents of shots fired. an 18-year-old male was shot in the neck last night. he's expected to be okay. 12 police officers overall have been hurt. this is all sparked by that shooting on saturday when a black police officer shot and
killed sylville smith. police say the traffic stop went bad when smith took off running. he was armed with a fully loaded semiautomatic weapon. police say he did not comply with an order to drop his weapon. friends and family and neighbors tonight have gathered at a nearby vigil, and smith's own father says he was a bad role model and takes blame for his son's death. >> i have to blame myself for a lot of things, too, because your hero is your dad. i played a very big part in my family's role model as far as being on the streets, doing things like entertaining, drug dealing, and pimping. >> that 10:00 p.m. curfew issued tonight, neighbors waiting to see if that will agitate teenagers, whether or not they will comply with police. the national guard is here, although they're not deployed on the street. there is new information tonight that the victim's sister alleges that her brother knew the police officer who killed him. we have not independently
confirmed that, and we will keep your guys posted as the situation develops tonight. >> thanks, matt. joining us right now for a kelly file exclusive is wisconsin governor scott walker. governor, welcome. >> good evening. good to be with you. sorry about the circumstances, obviously. >> of course. who do you blame for this right now? >> well, the individuals that responded, first and foremost, the individual who was involved in a crime and fled from officers, put us in a difficult situation in the first place. then a number of people who decided instead of taking it out through the normal legal process, weighing out their objections or whatever that might be, they decided to take it to the streets. that's the problem. that's criminal activity, and that's going to not be accepted in the city of milwaukee, milwaukee county, or the state of wisconsin. >> how concerned are you about additional violence tonight?
>> we're hoping that things have eased down. i just talked to my friend sheriff david clark who made the request early on sunday morning after a long, late saturday night and early sunday morning with the problems we saw in milwaukee. i talked earlier to the police chief, the mayor, and actually talked to the members of the wisconsin national guard who i activated and we sent to the milwaukee area to be ready to support them. things got a little quieter last night although there were still disturbances. our hope is tonight things will finally quiet down thanks in large part to the leadership of many pastors and church leaders in the milwaukee community. >> the black lives matter movement believes this is racially motivated. but in this particular case, this was a black officer who shot a black victim. what role in your view does race play in all of this right now? >> well, i mean, i think the facts should be clear in this case. in wisconsin, we're the first state to have a law, one of the few states that currently has a law, and i think others will
follow, that requires any time there's an officer-related shooting that leads to a death, an independent review is done by the state's department of justice. they're going to look at this case like they would look at any other case, and nmeindependentl investigate it and give a report as to what happened. in the vast, vast majority of times when law enforcement regardless of race are doing what they're trained to do, which is to keep not only themselves but their community safe, they're going to be supported. the rare instances, the rare instances we have seen around the country where they haven't done that, here and anywhere else, they should be held accountable, but we have to respect and support law enforcement who are doing their best to keep us safe, whether it's here or anywhere else across the country. >> you think about what we're going through right now as a nation, not just in milwaukee, but nationwide, we're seeing these problems and this backlash against police. and the rise of black lives matter. president obama is an african-american who has become the president of the united
states. when you look at the challenges we have faced as a nation in terms of racial discord, it seems as though right now despite his success and hopefully all the strides we have made, we seem to be going back to times that we haven't seen since the 1960s. why is that? >> well, it's unfortunate. we need leadership at all levels. we need it from the president, from elected officials, we need it from churches, from local communities. the frustrating part is when you see things like what happened the other night, across the nation, the biggest losers are people who live in those communities. the people who are striving for more economic opportunity, who are striving for better schools, who are striving for more businesses to find better employment. well, when you see things like a fire or a riot, individuals are less likely to invest in those communities. i hope that's not what happens here. i hope we can put a renewed focus and recognize the people in sherman park, this neighborhood that was effected, my kids were born just a few blocks away at st. joseph's
hospital. they're good, decent people with good employers, great businesses and churches in the area. i don't think it's a reflection of the people who live in the neighborhood. we need people to stand up and say we're not going to take this anymore. we're going to demand that people follow the law and follow the right ways to get people back to work and to get better schools in our nation. >> final question to you. donald trump will be in wisconsin tomorrow. do you anticipate being at his event? >> yeah, i hope to. my hope is that things have quieted down enough. today, i spent my day with the state patrol, with the national guard. our state patrol is here as well. with the milwaukee police department. i just saw sheriff clark. if things are calmed down so that i can shift gears tomorrow night, i hope to join him. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight, governor walker. >> thank you. all right, as we mentioned, there are growing concerns over whether people will listen to these calls for calm. and while sylville smith's center joins governor walker and others in condemning the violence that unfolded in her
neighborhood, it was her recommendation that protesters take that violence elsewhere that has some people pretty upset. >> you're burning down [ bleep ] we need in our community. take that to the suburbs. burn that [ bleep ]. >> kevin jackson is a fox news kribtder and executive director of blackfear.net. eric guster is an attorney and a political commentator. kevin, i'll start with you. in this particular situation, you have a black officer, clearly felt under threat, and there happens to be body camera evidence, video of mr mr. sylville's weapon to show exactly the kind of threat he was facing. that doesn't seem to matter to the black lives matter folks, however. they are using this incident to protest something they believe is far larger. >> yeah, the idea is that the black community is being targeted by blacks. it's been a systematic issue for
decades and so on and so forth, when in fact it's really not true. it's anecdotal, and you dorecognize that there can be some bad police officers, but for the most part, many of the things plaguing the black community have nothing to do with the police but have to do with the liberal policies that lead to what happens in the community. >> such as? >> the fact you have a lot of people that have been rounded into these areas that -- we shouldn't even know what a black neighborhood is. that shouldn't even be a term we use in america, but we know what it means. it means bad schools. it means businesses not owned by blacks. businesses -- companies are not going to relocate there to do business there. >> kevin, it sounds like this is a socialio economic problem. not a racial problem. >> absolutely. it's a socioeconomic problem. >> i look at some of the statistics. 73% of african-american babies born to unmarried mothers. unemployment for african-americans doubled, basically, what it is for whites. you look at the poverty rate,
which among african-americans is more than triple. so as much as we want to blame race in this situation or some, i should say, perhaps the black lives matter movement wants to blame race, it seems to me that this is about more than that. it's about policies that have set this community back. >> well, it's about policies in milwaukee that, for example, governor scott walker, he shut down the light rail proposal that would allow people from the inner city to go and get jobs in the suburbs. milwaukee is a tale of two cities, where you have the people with and the people without. and many of those people without are stuck in a situation where they have failing schools, they have -- >> so why not go out and change it? why not go out and change it? why take to the streets? why loot, why destroy businesses, why destroy your own community? why not call for change among your lawmakers? >> they have called for change. they asked the department of justice to come in a couple years ago based upon a shooting and they did not do that. just like we saw in the ferguson report, just like we saw in the
baltimore report. many of these -- >> why is the solution now -- >> they have policies that go against certain segments of the population. >> you're going to torch police officer police cars. by the way, we got reports, journalists are being chased down by these thugs. >> i'm not supporting that. >> one said i have to get out of here. this isn't safe. >> i'm not supporting going out and burning up cars and doing all that. i'm not supporting that at all. when people are unheard, when they're being ignored, they have -- they feel they have no voice. that's the way -- >> trish. >> yes. >> this is a very simple question. look, and the majority of these cases we're talking about, if the person that was approached by police had simply surrendered and gotten it handled at the talk about any of these cases. eric isn't talking about that. the black lives matter movement isn't talking about -- this kid wouldn't have been shot had he just obeyed the law, gotten out of the car, done what he needed to do. he would be alive.
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enforcement legal defense fund, and chris kofinis, a former senior adviser to the presidential campaigns of leslie clark and john edwards. so ron, starting with you, i mean, i don't get it. the notes were supposed to be delivered to members of congress. why would the state department try to stall that process? >> i'm not sure i get it either, whether this is an attempt to prevent the house, the congress from relitigating, from reinvestigating that which the fbi has already investigated and concluded. my supposition would be that's the goal here. the spokesperson at state have been relentless in their defense of mrs. clinton. >> for the ongoing process? chris, have you got an explanation for why it's happening? >> well, my guess is they want to review them just in case there's any kind of classified material or any type of questions they have to be aware of. in terms of them being able to block it, i don't see how the
state department can block the fbi transmitting something to congress. if you actually read the statement that the state department spokesman gave today about it, they made very clear that they respect congress' oversight authority. >> okay, so hopefully it's just a small delay and members of congress will get it soon because i think, ron, there are a lot of questions right now about this cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and the state department that need to be answered. ron. >> there are a lot of questions about it. in fact, i was a bit surprised this morning. i woke up and found myself in actual agreement with the "washington post" who had this editorial piece raising questions about a porous ethical wall between hillary's state department and the foundation. i think it raises important questions from an organization, the post, that is a relentless hillary supporter. and i think they are important questions, questions that
certainly i think the fbi is looking at now. there have been other similar questions raised in recent weeks. two weeks ago in another prominent publication, talking about connections and the intermingling of russian funds, american funldz, state department business, in a foundation being set up in russia that some thought was for the purpose of technology transfer to russia. >> many questions. chris, politics aside for a minute. don't these questions deserve to be answered? i mean, this appearance of conflict, i should think, is enough to bother anyone, regardless of what political side you're on. >> well, i mean, i don't think you can put politics aside from this. let's be real honest here. >> no, but hear me out. why can't you? think about a judge, a federal judge. if a case comes before that judge involving, say, a company that that judge personally owns stock in, well, guess what. that judge has to recuse him or
herself from the case because of the appearance of a conflict. i mean, how can her husband be taking donations from the same country that she is trying to negotiate with as secretary of state? >> has there been an investigation that you're concluding that basically determines that the clintons have done something wrong? or secretary clinton did something wrong? if you know the outcome of an investigation that's happened, i would love to know. the reality is i understand people are going to glom on to whatever they believe they want to believe about the clintons. and i get it. that is politics. >> i think there are standards. we're american citizens that deserve better than that. we don't need, for example, our state department working on behalf of ubs to get some clients out of being examined and then suddenly bill clinton gets $1.5 million from ubs. i have to run. i'm up against a hard break. thank you so much. we're back more with "th let's feed him to the sharks! squuuuack, let's feed him to the sharks!
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