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her gold medals. how cool. all right, see ya. i'm chris wallace, it's still august, but the presidential race hits a n i'm chris wallace, it's still august, but the presidential race hits a new low as donald trump and hillary clinton trade blistering accusations over race. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. >> he is taking hate groups mainstream. and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> today, donald trump's new campaign manager kellyanne conway on clinton tying trump to the alt-right and the effort to keep trump on message. then, the libertarian party's presidential nominee, gary johnson.
on his push to get on the stage for the presidential debates. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. plus, we're ask our sunday panel whether trump's changing position on deporting illegal immigrants will gain or cost him support. and our power player of the week. after dominating in rio, what's next for katie ledecky? >> i haven't been in the pool and i'm starting to itch to get back in. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. it's been an ugly week on the trail as donald trump and hillary clinton accused each other of racism. meanwhile, trump is under fire for a possible shift on immigration and clinton faces new allegations about her private e-mails and the clinton foundation. and we still have 72 days until the election. joining me now is trump's new campaign manager kellyanne conway.
let's start with hillary clinton's e-mails, almost 15,000 of them that the fbi has uncovered from her private server or from other accounts and handed over to the state department. the scandal over her private server and the clinton foundation has been going on for a year now, more than a year. what makes you think there is a game-changer in this new batch? >> chris, first, thanks for having me, giving the campaign a platform this morning. hillary clinton achieved something this week that even i am impressed with. she made her trust problem even worse. and the new quinnipiac poll out this week shows that 66% of americans think she's dishonest. 29% think she's honest. those numbers have actually gotten worse since she announced her campaign over a year ago. and she's earned that dishonesty and that untrustworthiness because of the incidents you laid out, even though she said she had turned overall the e-mails to the fbi as part of
their investigation, it turns out she has not. what director comey said last month about her being reckless and careless, about things she had said not turning out to be true, the number of devices, the classified evidence, we see that there's still more happening. and what is really amazing to me as put forth by abc news last night in a report, laid out by the associated press this week, these aren't right wing websites. this is the associated prez and abc showing the americans the revolving door between the state department and the clinton foundation. and americans have the right to be concerned. this is our state department. this is our public entity. we don't want a straight line between the clinton bank account, the state department, the clinton foundation. it shows americans how she may do business if she were elected in the white house. >> you've got your own issues with the trump campaign. this week began with donald trump appearing to back away from his pledge during the primaries that he was going to
deport all 11 million illegals who are in this country. but by the end of the week, he seemed to be backing away from backing away. here he is. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. we want people -- we have some great people in this country. i don't think it's a softening. i think it's -- >> 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> people say it's a hardening, actually. there's no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> kellyanne, please clear this up for me. is donald trump saying that if someone has come into this country illegally, so they broke the law, but they have broken no laws since then, been in the country for ten years, 20 years, without breaking any other laws, is he still going to deport them or is he going to let them stay? >> so what he has said is very consistent, chris. number one, this is important, the signature piece of his legislation and his campaign has always been build a wall. that has not changed, build the wall. no amnesty. no citizenship. no more sanctuary cities.
the face of our campaign will people like michelle and julie and laurie and agnes, these angel moms who stood with donald trump in different forms just this week, chris, talking about their grievous losses, the losses of their children murdered by illegal immigrants who should not have been here. that's also part of -- >> if i may respectfully, if he said in the campaign and said it on the debate stage, i was there as one of the moderators, i'm going to set up a deportation force and all 11 million people who have come into this country illegally have to go. do they or don't they? >> what he has said now is that he will look at that. the softening is more approach than policy, chris. because did you -- in the clip you just played, you heard the words that followed it that we need to have a fair and humane way of addressing the fact that 11 million -- or we don't even know the number -- 11 million or
so as it is estimated illegal immigrants live among us. he wants to find a fair and humane way. if you enforce the law and deal with agencies that already exist to enforce the law, then we'll see what we've got. nobody bothers to enforce the law, washington layers new laws on top of laws that don't work or aren't enforced. to pretend to the american people that they're somehow being active on an issue but i think it's important to look at the five, six, ten tenants of the plan. >> i understand and i think you made them clear. i just want to be clear, though. what you seem to be saying, you're leaving the door open that president trump would consider the possibility of giving people who have not committed more crimes to living in this country legally. >> what he has said is no legalization and no amnesty. he also said this week, chris, that if you -- you'll go back to your home country and if you'd like to come back to the united states as an immigrant, you need to apply through the many different channels that allow people to apply for citizenship or entry into the united states legally.
that's important. we all learned in kindergarten to stand in line to wait our turn. he is saying that, as well. now, the deportation force, i would like to address that. he hasn't mentioned that since last november or in the debates you pointed out. and then if you look at his convention speech last month, he's consistent on that now in terms of addressing these many different areas of a very complex issue. but i would really implore the viewers and others to look at the contrast between donald trump and hillary clinton on immigration. there are very few issues where they're more different. in fact, hillary clinton is to the left of barack obama on immigration. she has been critical of president obama deporting 2 million or more immigrants in this country. she said that she will use executive amnesty. she's for catch and release. she's for these sanctuary cities that harbor illegal immigrants. in the case of kate, he had been deported five times.
why is he here? so everything needs to be examined and looked upon. but give donald trump credit for at least trying to address a complex issue and not pretending like hillary clinton does that we don't have these problems. >> all right. let's move on to another one. donald trump has also been reaching out to african-americans this week asking what do you have to lose after decades of democratic neglect. here he is. >> poverty, rejection, horrible education, no housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels that nobody has seen. >> but that totally misrepresents what blacks face in this country. trump says black youth unemployment is 58%. it's actually 19%. 26% of blacks live in poverty, that's not good. but the vast majority do not. how can trump address the problem when he doesn't seem to understand what it really is?
>> so as i understand it, the 58% refers to the number of african-american youth who are not working. and -- but you're right. we're also taking our message to african-americans who are concerned about other things like lending, like housing, like discrimination. they may be -- they may live in safe neighborhoods with fine schools, but it isn't what their children deserve. they deserve the same high quality education as other children. that's his point. i sat with him and african-americans on wednesday, i believe it was, or thursday. we had a roundtable. it was a productive conversation where he did most of the listening. they laid out their concerns -- yes? >> i don't mean to interrupt. but we are running out of time. trump has been running for president, though, since june of 2015. that's 14 months.
question, how many times has he gone into an american inner city and held an event for a largely black audience? >> i don't know the answer but i can -- >> would you be surprised if the answer is none? never? >> no, i would not be surprised and i will tell you, and i pledge to you and everybody who's watching that those events are actually being planned. and we're very excited about them. look, john mccain and mitt romney are fine, they're wonderful human beings, great americans. they were fine presidential nominees. john mccain got 4% of the african-american vote and mitt romney improved that to 6%. we're fighting for every single vote, and we're going to leave it all on the field. that includes going where the voters are -- >> but you say that -- you say that, the fact is in 14 months he's never once been in an inner city and held an event for black americans. there's a tweet that mr. trump sent yesterday. i'm sure you're familiar with it
after the tragic shooting of the cousin of basketball star dwyane wade, trump tweeted, just what i've been saying, african-americans will vote trump. do you think it's right to have that kind of a political response to a personal tragedy? >> i was pleased that his next tweet expressed his condolences to the wade family about the death of his cousin. that horrifying example of a woman who had just signed up her children for school pushing a baby stroller, that -- that is a nonpartisan issue that should sicken us all. i also would express my condolences to the entire family. i'm pleased he did. chris, i'm new to this post and he's going to take this case right to people where they live. that includes everyone. we're fighting for every both, every ethnicity, both genders. every age group. this is an american presidential election. he is going to -- i mean, look what hillary clinton did this
week. my goodness. she missed another opportunity to deliver a speech about obamacare, energy or infrastructure, economy or isis. she went and elevated personal insults into an art form. at least he is talking policy. >> let me ask you about that because hillary clinton in the speech you're talking about said that donald trump is taking hate groups mainstream. here she is. >> racists now call themselves racialists. white supremacists now call themselves white nationalists. the paranoid fringe now calls itself alt-right. but the hate burns just as bright. >> you say that that -- she's making personal insults. but she does have a point. the new ceo of the campaign, i guess he's your boss, is steve bannon, the head of breitbart news. here's some of his headlines, birth control makes women unattractive and crazy.
and would you rather your child have feminism or cancer? and he has called -- breitbart -- bannon has called breitbart, the platform for the alt-right. question, this is the man trump chose to run his campaign? >> he chose me to manage his campaign and i report directly to him. i will say this. the idea that hillary clinton who has been in public life for 30 years gives a speech this week, chris, about -- it was totally content-free, policy-free address about consultants, it's just remarkable to me. i understand hillary's campaign is now a hot mess. revelation after revelation about the clinton foundation. the state department. brand-new reports just overnight. it's reflected in the polls. there's a new poll this morning showing that we caught her lead nationally from six points to three points in just a matter of two weeks. why? because people are uncomfortable voting for someone that they think is corrupt and rigged. i know she's trying to divert
attention away from her campaign and her state department e-mail scandals, clinton foundation, foreign donations in the tens of millions of dollars by talking about consultants, but the fact is that the hot mess that has become the hillary candidacy cannot escape the fact that the majority of americans think she is corrupt and rigged, and they're not going to want that in their next president. >> finally, i've got about 30 seconds left. there is a report that donald trump is holding a debate prep session today at his golf course in new jersey. one, is that true? and secondly, how is he preparing for debates? are you having mock sessions? is it true that laura ingram is going to play hillary clinton? is he cramming thick briefing books? >> i'll be at lunch. i'm sure we'll have a lively conversation. look. he's an unconventional candidate. he's not going to prepare the way hillary does which is locking her in a room and
cram her head with binders and get the hollywood types that she raised millions of dollars with this week. instead of standing with sanctuary city moms who lost their children. she was in hollywood raising money. she'll have them helping her consult. he will be prepared for these debates. just in the last two weeks on defeating radical islamic terrorism, on middle class tax relief, on law enforcement, on -->> but is he going -- just quickly. is he going to hold mock debate? >> he might. remember, he's an unconventional -- this idea of role playing hillary clinton. laura is a friend of all of ours. we take advice and we take counsel from many different people who have experience and mean to be helpful. but this -- the donald trump, the authentic donald trump who has been taking his case directly to the voters is the one you'll see on the debate stage with hillary clinton. i think they're nervous in the clinton camp.
because he is the unpredictable x-factor. she is the scripted hillary clinton that basically needs to memorize lines. you saw these two interviews she gave by phone this week. on cable stations. she obviously was reading something somebody gave her. i didn't think they went that well. the scarcity of the strategy that they use for hillary clinton making sure you don't see that much of her, that changes when she's forced to get to the debate stage. he will be preparing in a very difficult way. different way. >> all right. we'll leave it there. thank you so much for coming on. thank you for your time. please come back. >> thank you, chris. up next, the clinton foundation and private e-mails. they're not going away as campaign issues for hillary clinton. we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the latest revelations. plus, what would you like to ask the panel? will thousands of new e-mails create more problems for clinton? or has the political damage already been done? just go to facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday. we may use your question on the air. what makes wendy's baconator different?
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hillary clinton ran the state department l hillary clinton ran the state department like a personal hedge fund. it's hard to tell where the clinton foundation ends and where the state department begins. >> neither my husband, my daughter, nor i have ever taken a penny of salary from the foundation. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. >> hillary clinton on defense, responding to donald trump's new focus on links between the foundation and hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state. and it's time now for our sunday group. syndicated columnist george
will. fox news political analyst juan williams. susan paige from "usa today." and gop strategist karl rove. i want to start with the remarkable number that the associated press came up with this week and that kellyanne conway just referred to. during the first half of clinton's time as secretary of state she met with 154 people from private interests, not u.s. or foreign officials. 85 of them, more than half, were donors to the clinton foundation who contributed as much as $156 million to the foundation. karl, i don't have to tell you, money does buy access in this town. is there anything new here? >> yes. the volume is jaw-dropping. you left out another number. nearly 150 phone messages left by the ceo of the clinton foundation for cheryl mills, hillary clinton's chief of staff. how many phone calls was she able to receive beyond that? this is in a two-year period. she left a message every three days.
looks like she was constantly in communications. hillary clinton says i know there's a lot of smoke there, and there's no fire. well, there's a lot of fire there. the more we look at this, the more we see favors being traded, people being appointed to boards they shouldn't have been on. people attending meetings they shouldn't have been at. people being invited to state dinners. people being able to circumvent the normal processes of the state department in order to get special pleading in front of the secretary. >> juan, when you see all of the e-mails from people in the clinton foundation to cheryl mills to huma abedin, when you see that, does it trouble you, the coziness of the relationship? >> yes, it sets off alarms in my mind as a journalist. even before i knew about the ap report, the phone calls and the like, i mean, the whole structure seems to me to invite suspicion, the idea that there's some quid pro quo for access going on. it's concerning. in all fairness, i think the
foundation does good work, malaria, hiv, and the like. but there's no getting away from the appearance of impropriety here. i'm astounded that this foundation has existed since, in fact, 1997. during president clinton's tenure. i don't understand how she -- mrs. clinton -- doesn't see that this would invite people including the "boston globe" ed rendell fellow democrats to see this is a problem, you can't do this. she had to sign an agreement with the obama administration which she apparently violated by going about these kind of phone calls, meeting people, even if it's -- i don't think there's any evidence of impropriety. just by the standards you set, lots of people say access is for money in this town. still, if there is no evidence of illegality, the appearance of trouble abounds. >> let me just quickly pick up with you on karl. that is the defense of the clinton campaign at this point. there's no smoking gun. there's no official act that was done.
>> there's plenty of smoking guns available. steve hayes has a great piece in this week's "weekly standard." let me just give you one example. the largest donor from ireland who gave between $10 million and $25 million is dennis o'brian. he has the cell phone concession in haiti. when the earthquake happens, what happens? he ends up getting u.s. aid grant, he participated in a $10 million grant for the development of mobile banking put together by u.s. aid and the gates foundation. he starts partnering with u.s. aid on initiatives. and all the money the federal government is putting in is spelled out, but never is it spelled out what's being put in by him. then bill clinton personally intercedes and arranges for the construction of a $45 million luxury hotel owned by him, works it out with marriott to build the hotel, goes to a world bank affiliate to get the money, and presides over the dedication ceremony. he's the largest contributor from ireland.
>> okay. let's switch to -- because there was another revelation this week about clinton and e-mails and that's the fact that the fbi had apparently uncovered almost 15,000 new ones that we didn't know about either from this supposedly wiped clean server or from other people's e-mail accounts. and because of lawsuits, there's going to be a steady release of e-mails from now through -- election day. george, how big of a deal is that? >> it's a big deal because it shows the redundancy. what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. it's worse and worse, and because it's all tangled up in the foundation, this illustrates the clinton's graspiness, a word the "washington post" used in an editorial 15 years ago when the clintons absconded with some of the white house furniture. we've done down this path before. the question is, this is a big deal electorally?
i've got my doubts. i don't know how many people remain to be persuaded. voting begins in this country on september 23rd. it's coming up fast, north, south dakota, i think minnesota. the five of us are peculiar people. we're really interested in all the details of this. 30% of americans could name their two senators. a majority of americans can't name the three branches of government. they're not paying that much attention. >> well, i want to pick up on that because that's what we asked you for questions, and that was the political impact of these new revelations about the e-mails. you had a lot of answers. one on facebook, "does anything matter when her supporters don't care?" i love this one, bill smith sent this on twitter, "if you want me to tweet about this, donate to the bill foundation, 10% administration fee, and pay my wife to make a speech." susan, this has been going on, whether it's the private e-mails, the clinton foundation,
at least since march of 2015. i guess the question is, if people -- if a voter hasn't been turned off already -- and obviously she has a lead in the polls -- are these new revelations going to turn them off and make them change their mind? >> i think the election is partly baked, but it's not entirely baked. we have a morning consult poll on this shows only a 3% lead for clinton. it does reinforce the reputation she has with the voters. it does show that she pushes the envelope. there's no evidence that anything was criminal. it's not even unusual. it is politically unsavory. i actually think it reinforces not only questions about honesty and trustworthiness, but the idea that she is a creature of the status quo in a year when americans are hungry for change. >> does the fact -- we were talking about this -- does the coziness of the relationship, the fact that she met with 85 people, the fact that it seems that doug band, one of the top
clinton foundation officials and also a personal aide to bill clinton, is just back and forth all the time, sending notes to cheryl mills and uma abadeen with various asks. >> pretty cozy and pretty predictable. this was raised at the time she was confirmed as secretary of state. and what is i think perhaps quite surprising is she didn't do more to address this way in which washington works. you ask any elected official if they take a call from a big donor or are willing to meet with a big donor, and they'll say, yes, but it is entirely -- entirely have predicted that she would be in this place, in this presidential election if she proceeded the way she did. >> we'll take a break. we'll see you a little later. up next, the libertarian party's presidential nominee, governor gary johnson, who's at almost 10% in the polls and says he's going to play a big role in november. plus, what do you think -- does johnson have a shot at swinging the election? let me know on facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday. use the hash tag #fns. choose to smooth.
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show more of you. a look outside the beltway at carlsbad ca a look outside the beltway at carlsbad caverns national park in new mexico as the national park service celebrates 100 years. well, he's the former republican governor of new mexico and now the libertarian party's presidential nominee who says he has a path to victory in this election. joining us now, gary johnson. governor, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> chris, thanks. >> your campaign manager says you have a two-part strategy to win the white house. the first part is that you have to get on that stage for the presidential debate starting september 26th. in the real clear politics average of recent polls, you're at 8%. so you -- and you need to reach 15% to get on the stage. would you agree that if you don't get into the debates, it's game over? >> winning the election, yes. i would say game over.
winning the election. but the presidential debate commission has identified five polls. we're at 10% flat on those five polls. and that's an increase really of probably about 4% consensus over the last six or seven weeks. we're optimistic that we're going to get into the debates. we're spending money right now in many states, in five states right now. i'm at 16%. so i'm just really optimistic. >> okay. so now you get on the debate stage. now this brings us to phase two which is, as i understand it, is to keep both clinton and trump from reaching the majority of 270 electoral votes to be elected president. throw the race into the house of representative that you could win. and in that case, each state gets one vote, that you could win on a second ballot. how does that happen? >> well, the object is to win outright. and it's not impossible that if we go into the presidential debates with the polarization of
clinton and trump that we might actually run the table on all this. and i'm talking about me and bill wells, two former republican governors re-elected in heavily democrat states. >> now former governor of massachusetts. >> yeah. i don't think there's any arguing that we did make differences in our state being fiscally conservative, socially inclusive. i'll add to that that we're really skeptical about intervening militarily to achieve regime change that i think has resulted in a less-safe world. so i think that we represent about 60% of americans with that philosophical belief. >> let's get into that. because you say the key to your candidacy is if people sit down and compare you to clinton and trump on the issues, they're going to pick you. let's do a lightning round. quick questions, quick answers on a variety of issues. international trade? >> free trade. supporting ipp. it's a good thing. free trade. more jobs. >> the tpp -- >> the tpp. >> the pacific trade group. >> yeah.
yes. we're the only ones that support it. >> immigration? >> make it as easy as possible to come into this country and work. to be able to get a work visa, a work visa should entail a background check and social security card. don't build a wall across the border. these are hard-working individuals that are taking jobs that u.s. citizens don't want. >> what about the 11 million people -- an arbitrary number -- but the millions of people who are already here in this country illegal? >> complete misunderstanding of why they're here in the first place. the reason they're here in the first place is you cannot get a work visa to come into this country and work. and they're hard working, cream of the crop when it comes to workers. you or i in that same position where jobs exist in the united states, that u.s. citizens don't want, you or i would be crossing illegally to take those jobs just like they're doing -- >> would you give them amnesty? >> i would set up where they could come in the door, get a work visa as long as they've been law abiding. with regard to citizenship, there needs to be a pathway to
citizenship. look, with regard to those that are in the country that are undocumented, they're not going to jump the line. but that's part of comprehensive immigration reform that bill weld and i think we can bring democrats and republicans to the table over. look, hillary or clinton -- isn't the polarization in congress going to be greater than ever? does anybody believe that anything is going to get better in congress? our pitch is the third alternative which is a couple of libertarians in the middle, hiring a bipartisan administration. everybody libertarian leaning. but i think you could make a case that the third scenario might work. >> i want to drill down on a couple of issues. you want to cut spending by 20% you say -- >> which is balancing the federal budget, yeah. >> and you call for eliminating these departments. the irs, commerce, education, the fda, dea, drug enforcement and the national security agency. governor -- >> actually, the ones i'm citing
-- by the way, we're -- >> all those are on your website. >> well, not on my website. you might read that on some other website. look, we're not getting elected dictator here or king. we're getting elected president, vice president. >> you don't think any of those agencies do any good? >> well, in the case of education, in the case of commerce -- and there are some vital functions in these agencies, but do they require an entire agency? i don't think so. but education, commerce, housing and urban development, homeland security. why is homeland security an agency unto itself? shouldn't it be a part of the fbi? those are the ones that i am advocating out of the chute. >> then there are taxes. you want to eliminate the federal income tax, the federal corporate tax and replace them with a consumption tax, a national sales tax. experts on both sides of the aisle say that this would be highly regressive. that rich folk are going to make out like bandits, and it's going to end up hitting the poor and the middle class.
>> well, of course we're not getting elected dictator or king. >> i know but -- >> no, no -- >> what you're saying there, governor -- let me make -- you're saying when you say we're not going to be elected dictator you're saying don't take my policies seriously because they won't get through. >> take them very seriously. we're always going to support taxes going lower. we're going to always support being in business being easier. rules and situations not getting worse, getting better. that said, if i could wave a magic wand, i would eliminate income tax, corporate tax. i would replace it with one federal consumption tax. i put up the fair tax as a template for how you accomplish one federal consumption tax. you're right about a consumption tax being regressive. the way that the fair tax deals with that is it issues everyone a prebate check of $200 a month that allows everyone to pay the consumption tax up to the point of the poverty level. i maintain that if we had zero
corporate tax which you and i paid for, i maintain that would create tens of millions of jobs and also issue pink slips to 80% of -- >> but the -- even if you have the prebate, that helps the poor, but the rich still make out because there's no tax on their income. no tax on their -- let me finish. no tax on their savings. now you're hitting the middle class. they're going to pay more. >> i'm going to argue that the more money you make, the more money you consume, the more tax you're going to pay, this is a proposal. the fair tax is a proposal that has been before congress for about ten years. every year, 80 congressmen and women sign on to it. so it's been pretty well vetted out there. >> okay. i want to switch to foreign policy. you say you are a non-interventionist. you say that the threat from radical islam is "overblown." you don't want boots on the ground. you say that air strikes from planes or from drones have "unintended consequences."
the question is, what's your plan to stop isis? >> well, i do believe that if you want to look at isis that they are regionally contained. think of them as sands through an hourglass. we're going to see those sands through the hourglass. there was a poll a couple of weeks ago -- >> wait a minute. what happens to the attack in belgium? what happened with the attack in san bernardino? what about the attacks in france? >> we can call these isis inspired attacks. do they come directly, geographically from isis? >> in the case of france, they seem to, yes. >> well, chris, a poll among active military personnel two weeks ago, who do they favor for president of the united states? me. so what are they saying? what they're saying is judicious use of the military. if we're attacked, we're going to attack back, but the fact that we involve ourselves in regime change has resulted in the unintended consequence of making things worse, not better. nobody's standing up to this. hillary clinton, barack obama, not intentional. they go in, they support the opposition in libya and syria.
the opposition's aligned with isis. we arm the opposition. now those arms are in isis' hands. this is the unintended consequence of our foreign policy. >> so basically we're going to contain isis, we're not going to eradicate it? >> well, if we eradicate it -- and hey, not that we're going to continue to stay engaged in that, but there will be a void. when that gets eliminated -- we didn't even hear about isis until two years ago. this was al qaeda until it became isis. wipe out isis, and it will be something else. look, the biggest threat in the world right now is north korea. we need to deal with the civil war in syria. that's joining hands with russia diplomatically to see that through. biggest threat in the world, north korea. we need to join arms -- join hands with china to deal with that diplomatic. >> one more question for you. we've got less than a minute left. until january, you were the ceo of something called cannabis sativa. i guess i pronounced that correctly.
it's a marijuana marketing company. question -- of all the things in the world you could be involved with, why sell pot? >> well, in this case, marijuana products which directly compete with legal prescription drugs on the medical front don't kill anybody. not one documented death, and yet, these drugs do -- marijuana, cannabis -- does compete, does provide that relief. so it seems to me that there needs to be research and development in this area that can't currently happen because marijuana is listed as a class-1 narcotic. as president of the united states, i would delist marijuana as a class-one narcotic. this is going to be an issue that is left up to the states just like alcohol. then on the recreational side of this, chris, i have always believed that legalizing marijuana will lead to less overall substance abuse because it's so much safer than everything else that's out there starting with alcohol. >> governor johnson, thank you.
>> chris, thank you. >> thanks for coming in. >> you know how crazy this election cycle is. i might be the next president. you know that, right? >> well, and -- i hope you give me your first interview in the white house! >> there we go. there we go. >> safe travels on the campaign trail. >> thank you very much. appreciate the opportunity to be here. up next, we'll bring back our sunday group to discuss donald trump's move to broaden his base and his changing rhetoric on deportation. (climbing sounds)
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i had very strong people come up to me, great i had very strong people , come up to me, great, great people come up to me, and they've said, mr. trump, i love you. but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it's so tough. i have -- i have it all the time. [ shouting ] it's a very, very hard things. >> donald trump opening the door this week to possibly moving more to the center on immigration policy. we're back now with the panel. karl, it's been fascinating to watch trump this week on this issue. first he said there was a softening. then by the end of the week he said there's a hardening. is his opening the door to possibly softening on the idea of deporting all 11 million people in this country illegally, is that good politics? >> well, it's good general election politics.
also, this is not the first time he did it. you know, there's a -- there's a continual confusion about where he is on this issue. i remind you, last year he said i'm going build the wall. then he said i'm going to build the wall, and we'll put a big, beautiful door in it so they can come back. leaving the impression all you had to do was touchback. this is senator kay hutchinson's proposal in 2006, 2007. if you are here illegally, you've got to touchback. this is not the first time he brought it up. but lock, look, we got confusion. does he want to deport people or not? does he want a touch back or not? and does he support some form of legal status for individuals? my suggestion is that he is better off getting a position, clarifying it, and sticking with. i would prefer for the general election that he "soften," that is to say, return to his position of last fall to say people who have been here for a long time, kept their nose clean, raised their families, paid their taxes, you know, are
employed, they have some path to a legal status. it will be -- it will contrast to a jeb bush and say that sounds like where jeb bush was. but frankly, that's where he sort was last year and was again there temporarily this week. >> susan, let me pick up on that with you. there's two aspects of this he's been having this debate in public. and you had the hannity town hall, the interview with anderson cooper. he has seemed -- it's been a moving target. is that the right way to handle this, or as karl suggests, he should come up with a position and stick to it? and is this about actually trying to win hispanic votes, or is this about trying to get that white republican moderate suburban woman who is worried that he's a racist? >> 72 days before the election, he is debating with himself about his stance on the signature issue that launched his campaign. i think that's quite extraordinary. it raises concerns among his core supporters, worried he's moving away from the hard line that was appealing to them initially. i think it's less than
persuasive to the voters he's reaching out to. i spent yesterday in the philadelphia suburbs talking to white suburban reporters who are very much in flux in this election. they are quite concerned about whether donald trump is intolerant. by this public debate that's been going on for a week or so. >> so he's getting the worst of both words? >> that's right. he's not persuading the people in the middle that he needs to get back, and it seems to me he's raising concerns among people on the right who think that a hard line on immigration is the most powerful position he has taken, the one that got them to support him in the first place. >> and we had trump reaching out to african-american voters saying -- asking them what do you have to lose after decades of democratic neglect, and then he said this. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings, worthy of a better future. >> juan, we had this remarkable
moment in my interview with kellyanne conway where i said donald trump, 14 months into this campaign, not had a single event in a city, talking about now they are going to go into the inner city and dr. ben carson is going to be his escort, if you will, into those parts of america. how is that going to play? >> i don't think is t has any chance, burks again, to come back to something susan said. this is not about the black community. i don't think it's about the latino community. i think it's about trying to consolidate the republican base, especially college-educated white republicans and specifically women who don't want to be associated with a racially charged campaign. i mean, when you look at the numbers, this week i saw numbers, 35% of all americans, all americans a racist. 56% that he's biased against
minorities and women, and if you go into the republicans, it's something like 20% of republican men think trump is a biased person and a quarter of republican women. that's a problem, so right now, chris, he's getting about 1% in the latest fox poll, 1% support among black voters. he's down 46% among latino voters so there's only no chance that he'll make substantial inroads in that vote. >> then there was hillary clinton's attack on trump this week saying that he is taking main street -- making main street hate movements like the alt-right white nationalist movement. her campaign even ran a video that showed, and here it is on the screen, members of the ku klux klan supporting trump. george, do you think that attack has traction? >> i don't think so nor should it. there's about 320 million people in this country and a few are lunatics and/or vicious and the alt-right is probably both largely, but that doesn't mean
they are taking over one of our great parties. they are attaching themselves like a barnacle to a ship and we've seen this movie before. in 1964 the john birch society had about 160,000 members and it was used to tar the goldwater campaign. the birch society was run by a man named welch saying dwight eisenhower was an agent of the communist conspiracy. it's not fair to define donald trump by david duke of the ku klux klan any more than it would be fair to define hillary clinton by some of her supporters who i guarantee you believe the united states connived on 9/11. they are nuts on both sides. >> when you say paul ryan say donald trump has engaged in textbook racism and what he said about judge curiel and unable to be a judge.
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since the olympics she's made a triumphant return to washington. she got bryce harper to hold her medals while she threw out the first pitch at a nationals game. met with young patients at children's hospital, and went back to her former school to meet with students. >> what is michael phelps like? >> he's nice, good swimmer. >> i love answering those questions and love sharing those moments with them and hopefully inspire them to dream big. >> what makes is especially sweet is katie can look back on the olympics with a sense of total fulfillment. >> i achieved all my goals in rio, the best feeling that any swimmer or athlete can have. >> katie set those years, swimming a 3:59 for the 400 meter freestyle and she went 3:56 in rio and swimming 8:11 for the 800 and went 8:04 and broke her own world record. >> when we set those goals, those were pretty out thereto. >> so katie had michael phelps
teach her how to arrange her five medals for a cover shoot. >> put them on one by one. >> katie brought her medals with her. each one means years and years of hard work. >> is the silver the step child? >> no, i mean, it's just as special as the others. we broke the american record, and we got silver to the australian team that broke the world record, so we couldn't have done any better that day. >> first met katie two years ago when she was 17. after a shocking victory at the london victory. >> numbers don't lie and they -- they show what you do in practice, and i like that aspect of it. >> now 19 and one of the headliners of rio, she's grown up. >> for someone as goal-oriented as you, what's it like when you have met all your goals? >> it's a good feeling, and it's been, you know, now a week or a week and a half since the olympics, and -- and i haven't been in the pool, and i'm starting to -- to itch to get
back in. >> are you serious? >> yeah? >> while katey had a great olympics, teammate ryan lochte created an international incident with his false report of being robbed. what's the lesson? >> just take care of business in the pool and just what we do in the pool is important and also how we represent ourselves outside the water as well. >> katie is getting ready to start college at stanford to begin her next chapter as a student athlete, but the call of the olympics is still there? >> hopefully i'll make it to 2020, and i know i'll have some goals for that and looking forward to representing my country again. >> do you think you can go even lower? >> we'll see. i have a little bit of a cushion maybe, but i know -- i know the world will start catching up, and i'll have to, you know, stay at the level i'm at or get faster. >> katey was the youngest swimmer of the u.s. swim team which is why she talks about competing in the 2024 olympics
at the ripe old age of 27. and that's it for today. have a great week, and we'll see you next week on "fox news sunday." hear his answer tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. see you then. welcome to "hannity," and we are broadcasting live from the acl theater in austin, texas, part two of our exclusive event with republican presidential nominee donald trump. last night you heard the heartbreaking stories of family members whose loved ones were killed by illegal immigrants, and we also showed you a lot of statistics on the impact that illegal immigration is having on you, the american people, and we'll be putting those slides and the information up on the screen all night. also tonight, you're going to hear from former texas governor rick perry, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, rick sessions, donald trump jr., and many o