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facebook live for the next ten minutes. >> what are you doing? going out with the donald trump impersonator? >> what are you doing? >> i'm going to do radio. >> see ya. >> have a fantastic weekend, everybody. a round of applause. see you monday. bill: a possible nuclear game changer in the showdown with north korea. some analysts claim the nuclear test was for a bomb more powerful than that dropped on japan. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to america. newsroom. martha: this blast was so strong it had the magnitude of a 3.4 earthquake. they are boasting that pyongyang can put a nuclear war head on a ballistic missile.
reporter: it's the fifth nuclear test by the rogue nation and the most powerful one yet. it was announced on korean state television later verified by experts in an area of the country where other tests occurred. in a strength approaching that of a bomb the u.s. dropped in 1945. it comes on the 68th anniversary of the founding of the north korean state amid the open declaration the from kim jong-un that he wants to build up a nuclear arsenal equal to that of the united states. reaction from neighbors, south core ria, japan, china have been swift and negative. you heard here in europe from
secretary of state kerry, he called it deeply concerning. the u.s. security council meeting later today. martha: new details on the hillary clinton email story. the justice department reportedly giving immunity to the man who destroyed the backup archives of the clinton emails. but first here are some new polls in the presidential race. they show clinton and trump locked in a tight race in the battleground states of freddie gray and ohio. in pennsylvania clinton leads 48-43 in north carolina. another close state as well.
good morning to you, john. >> good morning to you. you can bet the trump campaign is feeling good about where those battle grounds numbers are going. first the state of florida which finds stark and racial gender gaps. donald trump leads 59-36 and hillary clinton has a 67-25 lead. but that number better than in some states. to the battle grounds state of ohio, a similar split in gender. donald trump leading among men. but here is where it gets more disparate. among non-white voters hillary clinton leads 81-11. among independent voters they are almost even.
this is a state where gary johnson polls at 15%. so according to quinnipiac he could be a big factor. hoik rrp currently leads by 5 points. back august 9 she had a 10-point lead, the reason she has gone down, a lot of support being lost for her among women. quinnipiac said that state is now up for grabs. north carolina, not much of a gender gap, but a big racial gap. another poll found donald trump leads 44-41. so he has a 3-point lead. so dispair it between the quinnipiac and you if you can university poll. -- and the suffolk university poll. martha: they show. >> very tight race.
today he will spends his time at the values voters summit. what's he expected to talk about? >> on that last point. his campaign predicted the polls were going to tighten after the pivot. he's likely to talk about what he sees as the importance. nominating strict constructionist conservative justices. he will talk about his support for a repeal of what he calls the johnson law. and he will delve further into the opportunities schipts he laid out yesterday in cleveland taking a block of federal money currently available giving it to the states as block grants so they can provide scholarships for students who live in poverty to go to the school of their choice. >> if we can put a man on the moon, dig out the panama canal,
and win two world wars, then i have no doubt we as a nation can provide school choice to every disadvantaged child in america. reporter: all of this this afternoon. and his running mate is work fog energize conservatives who stayed home in 2012. these latest revelations, another person who was involved in wiping the emails from the server has pled the fifth. bill: "digital politics" editor chris stirewalt. where do you see the movement? >> the good news for donald trump is he can't be president if he can't win florida tore ohio and he's back in contention in both of those states. it has gotten over
those august doldrums and that's good news for him. bill: electoral votes, you have got to get to 270. that's the game. if you give trump florida and give him north carolina. ohio and pennsylvania now 245. traps georgia, and arizona, now, you see the path to the white house. it's not easy, but with those four states you can do it. >> i think you ought to turn pennsylvania and north carolina blue. he's not likely to get it. think of it this way. carolina is more republican than pennsylvania. he's not likely to get to pennsylvania if he can't get past north carolina. they are markers on the wall. if you are not this tall, you
cannot ride this ride. if he's not beyond north carolina, there is no way he's going to be president. the reason he's behind in north carolina. there are too many college-educated affluent voters that he continues to struggle with. among white voters, he's not doing well enough. he has got to fiction that. bill: conversely you can flip that around and show how easy it is for her to win the white house today. do you see jill stein or gary johnson affecting the race? >> look at the buckeye state, brother bill. when you take it as a 2-way race, hillary clinton is doing fine. you put gary johnson and jill stein in the mix, what seems to
be happening is voters who can't bring themselves to vote for donald trump, when you offer gary johnson or anybody -- they can put captain crunch or anybody on the ballot. they will say the only thing i know about this person, that seems to be hurting hillary more. bill: i prefer tony the tiger. bye-bye, see you later. >> captain crunch or donald trump or hillary clinton. martha: hillary clinton saying the emails she sent are classified material in them only had a few mark on the side to indicate their seriousness, but how can she argue that given her own path and understanding about what the "c" means. new evidence surfacing that have
much contradicts her statements. bill: a growing investigation into the hacking of state voter bases. will this election be fair? martha: did the united states pay iran even more for the release of american hostages than we first thought? all of this money could put more u.s. citizens in danger. >> 4 hostages may lead to 40 hostages that may lead to 400 hostages. that's why i believe in the history of our republic it has not been the policy of the united states of america to pay ransom for hostages. (announcer vo) that's right, keep rockin'.
♪ so call 855-874-7743 or visit siriusxm.com/getsxm to turn us back on. and up. martha: growing concerns hackers could break into our 8 elections systems. the f.b.i. is alerting states about the potential vulnerabilities in their election system. f.b.i. director james comey insists. he says because of the disparate nature of our electoral system he does not believe cyber
attacks could change them. bill: officials saying the real number for the release of hostages may have been $33 billion in cash and gold paid to iran over the past three years. >> you are here to testify to the subcommittee. if you can't tell us, who can tell us? was it a condition of the iranian government or a decision of the united states department of state? >> the condition of the deal is there would be immediate payment. we knew iran had critical economic need it had to address immediately. >> surely there are other ways to make an meade payment other than anne the middle of the night what appears to be a drug drop. bill: chairman of the house financial services committee. good morning to you.
we knew $1.7 billion. how do you get to $33 billion? >> we are just scratching the surface in this sordid affair. yesterday created more questions than answers. we know there was more money changing hands in the lead-up to the president's disastrous bill with iran. but i think the sums are just now coming to surface and again it's the cash nature that the sums are vast to the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and that's not just me saying it, that's the obama administration state department saying that. we know payments have been made in the two years that were leading up to the nuclear agreement. we know that ransom was paid. now we are learning much of this was done in cash, and it was done in secret.
it was done in the dark of night in unmarked planes, cash is the currency of terrorism. bill: if you go off the hearing from yesterday, this figure is 15 times higher than what we knew even a week ago. how do you get there in the gas and the gold, et cetera? why did this administration think it was so necessary to go this way. >> we didn't have answers to the questions. we have requested document. we have not received them. we demanded document, we have not received them. now we are subpoenaing document. we wouldn't have had administrative witnesses there yesterday had i not subpoenaed them. the administration claims this is all above board. they claim these figures are legal and above board. but if they are, why have they been so secretive about them? i wish i could tell your viewers
today how we got to this $30 billion. but we don't know. bill: you stand by that number, correct? >> to the best of our knowledge, yes. bill: you are saying that's a fact, $33 billion. >> i have believe that is a fact. i have no evidence to the contrary. and i invite the administration to come and push back. and we would invite the administration to explain why are they making cash payments the currency of terrorism to the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world? they didn't have to do this. this is money that could have gone to the united states army instead of going to the iranian revolutionary guard. bill: there is no way of knowing if any of that money supports terrorism. >> it's untraceable when it's done in cash. it could have gone through the normal banking international
finance chain so there would be a chain of custody. it could be traceable. but the administration shows to do it in a different way. this is a regime that's not just funding hezbollah and hamas. it is also trying to perfect their intercontinental ballistic technology with missiles aimed at our country. it seems like the administration is being complicit in this whole affair. they haven't answered the questions. we had no idea it was up to $30 billion. they have a lot of explaining to do and people should be outraged. bill: thank you for your time today. an alarming headline yet again today on this deal. martha: this is quite a story. some bad behavior by one of the
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martha: did you blindly trust your bank? one of the country's biggest bangs, wells far go, busted for creating millions of phoney bank accounts to get fees for doing that and moving people's money around and putting it into other accounts they didn't know about without their permission obviously. melissa francis is here. wells fargo has already said yes, we had 5,300 employees
involved in this scam and they are all fired. melissa: wells far go was known as mr. clean. this was the ban was the bank yu could definitely trust. they said they are upset and where in the culture did they create for their employees to create more accounts to get a reward to get the incentive money. they have to examine their corporate culture. this is not in their character. martha: were there people at the center of this. it happened across the country. we know about the incentive where you will get more money in your paycheck if you bring more customers in and here is the way to do it. melissa: there were definitely managers involved in that. what matters if you are a
customer, how do you know that you are involved. people would go to their credit report and see they don't have fees. they would say i don't have. >> wells far go account. or you would get and renewal card in the mail when you didn't have a card to begin with. you have to get your credit report and go through and match up. i recognize this. wait a second. i don't have this account. it happens to me a lot. i'll get something in the mail and it says here is your card, and you don't know if it's an offer for a new card or a renewal for an account you didn't know you have. you have to look at those when all those offers come in. wells far go, they are doing everything they can to make it right. they are refunds knowledge the fees and bend over backwards.
they are really embarrassed. martha: there is no institution you need to rely on more. you walk down city streets and you see in every city in america, the biggest, oldest building is the bank. but that institution is so important in our society to be able to trust it. >> more commerce and everything else, for your savings, for the future, for to you put your money in and watch it grow, for you have to pay for your house. it's all electronic. it's based on trust. martha: what a story. stranded high above mother earth. tourists trapped inside cable cars far above safety. that's not an easy way down. martha: we know the justice department gave immunity to the
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government to send information that was not marked there will be were no headers, there was no statement top secret, secret or confidential. i communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system. i took it very seriously. martha: that was hillary clinton with yet another explanation of the email scandal. she has had several versions. she said she thought the "cs" meant they were alpha what tightsed. her husband said she shot it meant she had known calls to make. now we are hearing the justice department cut a deal and gave immunity to the person who oversaw the destruction of the
emails the. they he gave him immunity from prosecution. take us through this in terms of your understanding of this individual. we know bryan pagliano who set up the server in chappaqua. now we know the other guy who worked at platt river networks outside of the united states government. he also got immunity. what's up with that? >> it depends on what kinds of immunity he got. there is use immunity and transactional i minity. if the f.b.i. and department of justice gave this witness transactional immunity it's tantamount to giving the triggerman immunity in a robbery case. the same reporter who broke the story is the guy who broke the initial email story. but it looks like they gave i minity to the very -- they gave
immunity is the very person you would want to prosecute, the person who destroyed emails after there was a subpoena and prosecution order. martha: this is the platt river individual who said he didn't recall deleting anything. then in may he comes back and he says i did delete them. he said i was told in 2014 that i should delete a whole bunch of stuff off the clinton server that we had residency on. and i forgot to do it. then i deleted it all. and it turns out when i did delete it all, it was after there was a subpoena to retain everything. >> the devil is in the chronology. you are exactly right. the story broke about her email, then there was a preservation order, then there was a
subpoena, then there was her press conference which has been thoroughly and totally debunked. then there was a conference call between cheryl mills and flat river. emails that have been in existence for five years. he decides to delete. just all on his own. that defies logic why some techie in colorado would despite a subpoena and preservation order but after a conference called with david kendall and cheryl mills decide on his own he's going to destroy public records. then you grant immunity. we need to ask the f.b.i. what kinds of immunity did you give? and why did you give it to the
triggerman, the guy who actually destroyed the documents. martha: . james comey got and said see, american people the evidence shows potential violation of criminal statutes but he did not recommend pursuing any charges. he said they could not finds a case that would support bringing charges on these facts despite the fact that this information would constitute in many people's minds an evident to obstructed justice. >> he said he couldn't make a case because he couldn't prove intent which is not an element of the case. part of the way you prove intent is the destruction of evidence, the consciousness of guilt, the multiple false explanations of why you did something. even this witness can't get his story straight that these are the two people in the f.b.i.
that they decide to give you meanity to. to, bryan pagliano. you are giving immunity to the trigger people and everybody goes free. martha: none of this would matter -- if this were hillary clinton's personal email on her and she had a server in colorado, none of it would matter. but she made the decision as secretary of state to commingle her work stuff with her personal stuff. that now makes that platt river server government property, correct? >> we could care less about her yoga emails, trust me when i tell you that. but the work-related emails are government records. that's government property that she decided to handle in a completely unique way and then when she left the state department, she didn't return it to the state department, she
kept it. only after congress started asking about it did she decide to return some of it. now we know tens of thousands were deleted and even after congress specifically said preserve it, after a conference call with her lawyers, somebody applied a product called bleach fit to make sure nobody can ever read it. martha: why would the f.b.i. be okay with this person destroying evidence? >> because they guessed wrong. they gave immunity to the triggerman. that's why those of us who used to do it for a living didn't like to give you meanity. that's why you never heard me calling for giving i minity to bryan pagliano. you better be right on who the culprit is if you are going to give transactional immunity. if that's what they did, they immunized the one person you would most want to prosecute for
the destruction of government records. it's frankly stunning. martha: usually you give you meanity to people you would think would allow you to prosecute someone else. but once they decided that wasn't going to happen, these guys got off scot-free. >> this is prosecutor 101. you don't give you meanity to the person who robbed the bank. you may want to give it to the getaway driver or the person who helped count the money afterward. but you don't give immunity to the person who robbed the bank. martha: comey came out with a statement bolstering what they did. there is an effort to save face. >> it ain't working. bill: did you vote today in the battleground state of north carolina? you can. absentee ballots go out this
morning. peter doocy live in raleigh. reporter: more people-vote here in north carolina before election day than on elect day. 0-plus% of people who voted sent in a ballot or went to vote early in person. officials say they anticipate additional interest in the early voting and they are doing their best to make sure people voting from home are who they say they are. >> they are going to sign this return envelope and they will have two witnesses sign that. attesting this is something they have done truthfully. we review these at a public
meeting. reporter: republicans in the state have cited concerns about fraud and costs as a reason as during the in-person voting days should be cut back. the spectre of fraud has been used to justify voter suppression even though there is no evidence of fraud. but gop officials are explaining their position like this. >> i think there are some dangers, i think in an extremely longle early voting period. if people are voting a month, two months before the race, does the race change? reporter: people in the state have so much time to vote starting this weekened. the head of the gop said he's concerned somebody this weekend could send in a ballot and die then not be alive on election
day which is a problem because you have to be alive to vote. martha: talk about a rescue mission impossible. dozens of tourists left dangling in a cable car. how that whole thing ended. bill: bill clinton says any calls to make america great again are calls of racism. let me show you what we found from his political past. >> we'll make american great again, greater than ever before. thank you very much. and god bless you.
america great again. bill were you know it by now, donald trump's signature motto not passing muster with former president bill clinton. he calls it nothing more than a dog whistle to racists in america. >> that message "america great again," if you are a white southerner, you know exactly what it means, don't you? it means i will give you the economy you had 60 years ago and i'll mauve up on the social totem poll and other people down. bill: scott brown, and juan williams. juan, did you see that as racist, make america great again? >> you have to put it in the
context. part of this is people who are trump supporters say bill clinton used the same language in '08 when he was campaigning for hillary clinton. but it's context. when you hear it coming from trump, given his anti-immigrant stance, his anti-free trade stance. going back to a 1950s framework. the fact that he's excited the bigots in america who support him. it has a lot of -- bill: i'm asking you specifically. i'm not expanding the definition as you just did. when you first heard that slogan from donald trump did you think it was racist. >> if you are asking me in isolation, no. i heard it from clinton back in '08. senator, is he on to something?
are we missing something here? >> you are not missing anything. two sets of rules, one for the clintons and one for everybody else. it's all right for bill and hillary to use it. but when our nominee talks about it, it's racist. it's. >> the effort to divide the country. in the northeast people believe that. the last state years people are not feeling as powerful and good about america and our standing in the economy and when it deals with foreign policy and national security. make america great i think is a wonderful slogan. i'm with her, i think they are upset they didn't grab this logan. >> i believe that together we can make america great again. to secure a better future for your children and grandchildren and make america great again. i want to attack these problems and make america great again. it's time for another comeback
and make america great again. bill: when he said it did you think it? >> you guys are enjoying a gotcha game here. this is a totally a different time frame and a different person running a different type of campaign expressing the same word. it's like your minister saying god is on our side in church and someone engaged in gang warfare telling people god is on our side. bill: so it's a mind game? >> juan, you know i love you, man, but that's a stretch. comparing my minister to a gang leader. donald trump is appealing to a wide range of people. he disenfranchised those reagan democrats. this is not bill clinton's party any more. this is the moveon.org and the
radical environmentalists. bill: juan, i'll give you the last word on this. >> if your point is now that trump uses it the liberals or democrats are jumping on it, i say you are right. but please keep in mind the context. scott makes a good point about who are the people involved? some people feel like the country is not as strong as it should be. but my point to you is looking at who is supporting him and look at the racial divide. even inside the republican party, i think he's playing to fear with that language. scott brown, everybody. martha: last night another pro football player joined colin kaepernick in kneeling during
martha: brandon marshall took a knee during last night's game following colin kaepernick. there are reports the seattle sea hawks are planning a demonstration before their game sunday, september 11. we are one game in to what is starting to be an interesting season. jared mac over at sirius radio, good to have you back at the show. i watched the beginning of the game and i watched that moment. everybody knows looking at the
beginning of the games to see if anybody is going to take a knee. and you almost don't want to show it because there are so many people standing up with their hands over their hearts. >> brandon marshall decided to kneel like colin kaepernick has been doing. he said i'm not against the military, police or america, i'm against social injustice. so who isn't. a lot of players are taking a stand, but a lot of people are confused about what is the fight for? we all want equality. this is suppose to be the land of the free. martha: that raises a simple question, exactly what -- colin kaepernick has not been very specific about exactly what it is he's upset about that started
this small trend. but there is word that the seattle seahawks may be doing something as a team. >> a story came out the seahawks were planning to protest the anthem as a team. but one player came out and said yesterday, bobby wagner stated anything we are going to do, we are going to do as a team because the world needs to see unity versus individuals? martha: that means they are all going to take a knee? >> their head coach said to be a 9 9/11 truther. but the word is they are going to do something that is honoring our troops. but who knows. they say wait to see what happens. but it will be unity and not one player. we have seen it in soccer. the story keeps going.
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we're glad you're with us, i'm martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. happy friday. these respect just any swing -- these aren't just any swing states east. four of the largest. they are tied in florida at 47 each. clinton ahead 47-43 in north carolina, trump ahead in ohio by one and also in this poll he trails in pennsylvania 48-43. meanwhile, they're hammering each other over security and foreign policy. >> we all have to cut our ties with the failed politics of the past. you have to cut your ties, have to cut your ties. hillary clinton created a lot of the problems, and now she's saying how she's going to take us out. she doesn't have a clue. not even a little clue. >> everything is a game. it's like he's living in his own celebrity the reality tv program. [cheers and applause] you know what, donald? this is real reality.
this is real people. this is real decisions that have to be made more our country. [cheers and applause] bill: team fox coverage, chris wallace in washington with more on the swing state battle, but we begin with jennifer griffin live in new york city. you've got an idea of who she will be listening to today on national security. what's that look like? >> reporter: absolutely, bill. in fact, it's no coincidence, you see behind me the statue of lincoln, the choice for the meeting site today where she will be talking to 16 key former national security officials. what's notable about the list is that it includes many republicans as well as those who have served in republican administrations. including, we're told, michael chertoff, who served as george w. bush's second homeland security chief. also present today will be general david petraeus. she will also be meeting with michael vickers, the cia analyst portrayed in charlie wilson's war who oversaw the provision of
stinger missiles to the cia under ronald reagan and a key player in the bin laden raid. there are also a number of women who served at homeland security who will be part of the meeting today, former dhs head janet napolitano and a national security blogger called security mom. bill? bill: also, jennifer, clinton was on the trail yesterday moving away from national security, some more outreach on the alliance voters that put president obama in the white house. what is that strategy, how is that playing out? >> reporter: absolutely. in fact, we were with her in north carolina and kansas city where she pivoted from national security and met with african-american voters. in fact, she was at a traditionally black university in north carolina, and the national baptist convention which has 7.5 million members. she talked about her methodist faith and being married to a baptist. >> i've made my share of mistakes. i don't know anyone who hasn't.
everyone here today has stumbled on their own stony paths. [applause] but it's also our job to learn from our mistakes, to do all we can to do better next time. >> reporter: she will be meeting with these national security advisers here at the national history society later this afternoon. today the campaign put out a list of another 15 generals and admirals who are now supporting clinton. that brings the list to about 110. bill? bill: thank you, jennifer. jennifer griffin with the clinton team in new york. martha: joining us with more on this very tight race, chris wallace, anchor of fox news sunday. good morning to you. good to have you with us today. >> thank you. martha: it is tightennenning up, as many expected after labor day. how do these latest polls look to you? >> well, it is tightening up, but clinton still has a decided advantage, and let me explain that. the four states -- pennsylvania, florida, ohio, north carolina --
are states that trump has to win, but he has to run the table and win all of them to win the presidency. and what's striking is that there are a number of other states that are traditionally swing states like colorado, like virginia that seem at this point at least out of reach for trump. so he does have a path to 270 electoral votes, but it's a very narrow path, and he has to win all of these states so they're all basically within the margin of error. it's almost like drawing to an inside straight in poker. you can do it, but it's not easy. martha: very, very tricky as you dig into these numbers. let's put them up for people to see at home. this is the florida, north carolina, ohio and pennsylvania, very latest numbers from quinnipiac. as you point out, chris, all very important states for donald trump to win. he's tied in florida, behind in north carolina, behind in pennsylvania and ahead by just 1% in the state of ohio. you know, as you look at the two campaigns, chris, and how they are going about this, we see
what the two candidates are saying up front. but, you know, in terms of ground game, in terms of organization, is that a story that we're going to be talking about, you know, post-election in terms of how the trump campaign potentially may have not done what they needed to do? >> oh, i think we'll be talking about it pre-election. in terms of the number of volunteers they have, in terms of the number of field offices they have, the organizers who get the volunteers out into the field knocking on their neighbors' doors, it's a huge, huge issue. you know, having spent a lot of time with karl rove, it's one of the reasons that they think that george w. bush won ohio narrowly over kerry in 2004, is that they had identified either bush supporters or persuadable people, and they had people in the neighborhood who were going around and talking to their neighbor. not some strangers, a neighbor. hey, joe, listen, you know, you've got to go for bush, and you've got to go out and vote today. it's a big advantage that can be
the difference between winning or losing in a state. clinton has a huge lead on that over trump k and that could be something that ends up biting trump. martha: could be. >> the good news for trump if i can just real quickly, martha, is it's a much closer race today than it was two or three weeks ago. trump has had, relatively speaking, a good couple of weeks. clinton continues to be hit by these stories and new revelations about the e-mails and the ties with the clinton foundation. so a race that was seven or eight or even ten points is now in the 3-5 point margin, and that's something that conceivably will still be hard, but it's something trump could make up between now and the election. martha: yeah. you know, as you watch the two of them speaking on the campaign trail, and they're going after each other very hard, talking about him as a reality candidate, the putin comment that he made during the commander in chief is getting a lot of attention too. and i'm thrilled you're going to be the moderator of one of these debates, but i would love to get
a little bit of insight into how you're watching these two right now and thinking about that really important part of this campaign. >> well, sure. i mean, that wasn't a debate, but it was interesting to see the two of them in the course of an hour on the stage with each other. i mean, one of the things that strikes me is they are such different people. she's very much fact-based, knows the policy, knows the players, knows the programs in detail. she's a policy wonk, and she shows it, and that's her strength. trump's strength is his personality. he comes on the stage, he's big, a lot of people would say -- i'm sure some people would disagree -- that he's kind of likable but doesn't have nearly the command of the facts that she does. it's almost asymmetric warfare: and when the two of them get together on the stage at the debate, at the debates, it'll be fascinating to see how just the interaction with each other. in a sense i'm lucky, i get to
do the last debate, so i'll have two opportunities to see how it works first on the 26th and then on the 9th of october. and then i'll put my game plan together. [laughter] martha: well, it gives you an opportunity to see what you think is missing and what hasn't happened that needs to happen, and it's going to be fascinating, chris. we're looking forward to the whole ride with you through the next couple of months to this fascinating election in early november. chris, thanks. we'll see you soon. >> thanks, martha. martha: you bet. join chris as he sits down with homeland security secretary jeh johnson on to the the day that marks -- on the day that marks 15 years, boy, it is so hard to believe that 15 years have passed since 9/11. he will also talk to former house speaker newt gingrich and congressman javier becerra at 2 p.m. and 10 p.m. eastern on fox news channel on sunday. bill: looking forward to that. got a fox news alert now, they're cranking up the security in paris as the investigation into a possible terror plot
widens there. french police making more arrests in connection to the car found packed with gas canisters. investigators now saying one of those arrested pledged her allegiance to isis. benjamin hall picks up that story live in london, and what more do we know about the investigation? let's start there. >> reporter: bill, as you say, there is no doubt that on sunday a major terror plot was avoided, and ever since then the police have been racing against the clock to find out as much as they can to prevent another attack. finally last night the police caught up with the three main suspects. they were women, aged 19, 23 and 39, and they were about to carry out another attack. the police had tracked them to an apartment south of paris and had put it under surveillance. as the women came out, the 19-year-old -- who had pledged allegiance to isis in a letter to her mother -- stabbed a policeman before being shot herself in the leg. it was while watching that apartment which had been bugged, the police overheard the women discussing their next attack, and they were planning to hit
either a police station, a train station or drive a car through a packed area. now, we still don't know why that bomb didn't detonate on sunday. it was parked in notre dame in a busy area, but we do know it belonged to the father of the 19-year-old, and he had called the police because he expected his daughter was trying to reach syria. a lot of young teenage girls being radicalized in france at the moment in that same way. big problems ongoing. bill: benjamin hall, thanks. 11 past. martha: it's been nearly 15 years since the worst terror attack in american history, and the question of safety still lingers for our country. the man who was with former president george w. bush on that day and delivered the news to him joins us live. bill: also gitmo may be closer to shutting down than we think. what officials are now doing to get ready for the possibility that that prison will shut down. martha: also new developments on the hillary clinton e-mail mess. her claims that she didn't know about the classification
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the strongest they've conducted so far. president obama now back at the white house moments ago said: to be clear, the united states does not and never will accept north korea as a nuclear state. he pledges to work anew with all the partners, u.n. security council, etc., to implement additional, significant steps including new sanctions against north korea. so watch this story, a lot of attention and headlines given for good reason today. ♪ ♪ >> i can hear you, the rest of the world hears you, and the people will -- [cheers and applause] and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. [cheers and applause] martha: anybody who remembers that moment, your heart kind of skips a beat still when you hear that and you remember george bush downtown in manhattan standing on that rubble. and now all of these 15 years
later a bit of a grim admission from the white house. the united states and europe facing the greatest terror threats since september 11th due mainly to the rapid rise of isis and its ability to pull off attacks around the globe. by teen years have come -- fifteen years have come and gone. our next guest clearly remembers that fateful day when he whispered those words, "we are under attack," into the ear of the president of the united states. he was in florida when the planes hit the towers, sitting innocently reading to children in a classroom, and, andy card, welcome once again -- >> good to be with you, thank you. martha: thank you so much for being here. you know, we say never forget, but i think there are a lot of people who want to, frankly, who don't want to rehash every year. why do you think it's important that we do so? >> well, it's important on two fronts. the first is to remember that there were nearly 3,000 people who died that day.
almost every one of them was completely innocent. they either just went to work, or they answered the call of noble service to be emergency responders. and we promised we would never forget their sacrifice that, quite frankly, they didn't plan on making any sacrifice that day. they were showing up to work. and we promised we'd never forget them. the second thing is to remember that we are in a dangerous world, and it takes leadership to make sure that we have the capacity to make, to make sure that danger doesn't show up on our soil again. so we want to remember that the threat is there and that we have to do everything we can to prevent another day like september 11th, 2001, in terms of the threat to the country and the trauma that it caused. but we also want to celebrate the fact that americans united that day as we were paranoid, and we united to say we stand together, we stood together as a nation, as a people, and we sent a great example to the rest are
of the world that we could find the resolve to get through that trauma and continue to be good citizens in noble service to the country and, quite frankly, noble service to the world. martha: yeah. well said. you know, on that day we all said, we knew that everything had changed, that life would never be quite the same again. and i think that sometimes people forget that that's still true today. in everything that we do, it affects so many parts of your life. and i want to put up a graphic that shows how people feel now. and it's interesting that in 2013 only 38% said that they felt less safe than before 9/11. they felt safer then. now 54% say they feel less safe, andy, and no doubt they have seen what has happened in a nightclub in paris, in so manyae innocent people continue to be killed all the time. >> well, there's almost every
day that there's a terror arist incident around -- terrorist incident around the world that causes us to say we are not as safe as we need to be, and we've got to be very vigilant. and yet we've been blessed that we haven't had an attack on our soil of any great consequence since september 11th, 2001. and that's because a lot of things changed in the united states. the department of homeland security, tsa, the ability of the fbi and the cia to work together, something that they didn't do very well before september 11th, 2001. martha: yeah. >> so it doesn't happen by accident, but strong leadership from the federal government, leadership from the president of the united states does make a difference. but we are still in a war against terror. and we've got to remember that we are vulnerable, and we've got to do everything we can to make sure there is not another attack like that which happened on september 11th, 2001. martha: isis-inspired attacks in boston and florida, of course. you know, in schools in texas, i read this morning, it's mandatory. 9/11 history is mandatory. every high school student has to understand immaterial, has to
understand the implication -- understand it. not so new jersey, which i find stunning. what would your advice be to schools in terms of how they make sure this is not forgotten? >> well, i think history is very important, and we do learn from history. that was a day that changed the world, it certainly changed the united states and changed the world. and there should be a history lesson around that day because it did change so much. but it's not important just to understand that, you know, what happened that day, but it's to understand what the emotional trauma was like that day so that people recognize that it wasn't just theory, it wasn't just something removed from the reality of life. it defined life for an awful lot of people. it took lives of a lot of people. so i think it's important to study it. martha: thank you, andy card. always good to have you with us, sir. all the best. >> thank you, martha. martha: tune in this sunday for special coverage marking 15 years since the 9/11 attacks as we look back on that day. bill: it will be that day again come sunday.
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♪ ♪ >> i'm going to ask congress to send me a bill to repeal and replace, finally are, obamacare. under senate rules that bill can be passed with 51 votes, meaning a republican congress and a republican president can save americans from this disaster many a single -- in a single afternoon. bill: so trump is making clear his plans for obamacare if he wins the white house. this as president obama renews his push to add a public option to the health care exchange program.
now, guy men soften, fox news -- benson, fox news contributor, here to argue that, well, democrats broke it, they should fix it. guy, good morning to you. >> hey, bill. bill: you have double-digit increases set for next year in states like arizona. people like john mccain are hot on this topic. what do you do? >> well, i think the important thing is to start with the backdrop to this, which is when obamacare was being debated in 2009 and 2010, democrats exclusively made a bunch of promises to the american people. they said the federal government would spend less money on health care because of the law, they said that americans would have much lower costs across the board if the law were passed, they said that there would be much more choice and competition for consumers, and they said, of course, famously if people liked their plans and doctors, they could keep them. none of those things turned out to be true. in fact, the opposite was true for millions and millions of americans. so now that the law is wheezing and failing under its own weight, here come the same liberal democrats waltzing in to
fix the mess that they created with a so-called solution that involves even more spending and even more government. and i think they ought to be afforded no credibility on this. bill: pending the outcome in november, they may get their way. barack obama said this: based on the experience with the aca, the congress should compete alongside private insurers in areas of the okun where competition is limited. -- that's an argument for the public option. that would be, that would be where many democrats would want to take this, guy. >> it is where they want to take it. the president is dead wrong. it would not increase competition, it would do exactly the opposite. first of all, if you add a government option, setting aside the cost to taxpayers, what will happen is because the government plan, the government option isn't really affected by market forces, they can price their plans to undercut the private market. we're already seeing a lot of
private insurers fleeing obamacare because they are losing huge amounts of must mus. if you then have a government, taxpayer-funded plan at a lower price point, you will see, i think, a hastening of the implosion of that individual market on the private side and then guess what'll happen? you'll have more people funneled into the government plans, you'll have a lot of employers looking with temptation saying, gosh, here's a government-subsidized opportunity, maybe i'll just pay that employer fine and dump my employees into the public option. i can get all those health care costs off of my books, and then we have the end of the american health care system as we know it -- bill: yeah, i get it. >> sort of the plan for a lot of democrats. bill: quickly, if hillary clinton wins, democrats need four seats in the senate to get a majority. they need about 30 in the house, guy. >> right. i think they have a decent shot at winning the senate. the house is a much heavier lift even with some of the struggles we've seen from donald trump,
he's had a much better couple of weeks. i think the house majority looking safer than it was a month ago right now. bill: guy benson, thank you. >> thank you. bill: what's next? we'll see. here's martha. martha: north korean leaders say they have conducted another nuclear test. why it could be the most powerful test that country's ever carried out. bill: also justice department granted immunity to the man who deleted hillary clinton's e-mails while they were under investigation and subpoena. how might that now affect the case? ♪ ♪ (announcer vo) that's right, keep rockin'.
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5.3 earthquake. james rosen joins us now live from the state department. james, we just received a statement about the nuclear test from president obama, correct? >> reporter: that's right, martha, good morning. the president himself, fresh from a nine-day trip to asia, said in a statement just minutes ago that he condemns this in the strongest possible terms, vowing to work with international partners to enact still tougher sanctions on the so-called hermit kingdom because, as the president put it, the u.s. never will accept north korea as a nuclear state. however, this was the second such test by the north this year. the underground blast was conducted, like all previous ones, at the nuclear testing site in the northeast, and japanese meteorologists immediately recognized the tremors as, quote, not of seismic origin. in pyongyang, the regime proclaimed the test a success saying they have standardized a warhead that can be fit onto a ballistic missile. martha: all right, james, thank you very much.
bill: it'll be a weekend to remember, certainly on sunday, paul ryan, house speaker, marking the 15 years since september 11th. >> today though we are not here to relive that tragedy. we are here to remember it and to honor its memory. none of us would ever choose to go through that day again, ball of us must choose -- but all of us must choose what it is we take away from it. i think of the firefighters, the people who went rushing into danger when the whole world was running away from it. i remember you couldn't get a flight, just driving home. i remember all those flags appearing on overpasses throughout all of this country. as if these flags suddenly appeared to bind up the nation's wounds. these are the stories that we can pass on.
we can turn our burden of grief to a gift of grace. because our children may not fully understand the horror of it all, but they can admire the heroism. that is how all of them and all of us can mark this anniversary. we can tell the stories. we need to tell the stories. we need to pray for the fallen. and in this small but meaningful way, we can begin to understand the pain and the promise of this great nation. bill: this is just the beginning of what will be several days of memorials and remembrances. on sunday here on the fox news channel, join us for special coverage of 9/11: 15 years later. it will be that day again two days from now. 35 minutes now -- ♪ ♪ >> if the fbi and the department
of justice gave this witness transactional immunity, it is tantamount to giving the trigger man immunity in a robbery case. but it looks like they gave immunity to the very person you would most want to prosecute, which is the person who destroyed official public records after there was a subpoena and after there was a preservation order. bill: so that's trey gowdy from last hour after we learned the justice department grants imnewspaperty to the man responsible for -- immunity to the man responsible for deleting hillary clinton's e-mails. mercedes schlapp, a former media spokeswoman and a fox news contributor, good day to both of you. >> good morning. bill: lanny, does that sound all right to you, you know, the guy who robs the bank goes scot-free? >> trey gowdy is famous for understatements, so it doesn't surprise me. but it is ironic that a republican chairman of a house committee criticizes the integrity of the fbi and then goes on to quote fbi director comey when it's for his
purposes. so i respect whatever the fbi did. i don't know whether what he said is true or not. i know that mr. gowdy spent a lot of taxpayer money and came up with 11 hours -- >> oh, stop, lanny. i mean, seriously. >> stop what? what did i say that was untrue? >> they're famous with the cover-ups. let's be real here. the fact is that the doj right now is coming across as being a tainted organization. they granted immunity to this computer expert who now the house lawmakers don't have access to interviewing this individual. and this is what's fascinating. i mean, you're a lawyer. the lawyers are basically calling over to the computer experts saying delete, delete, delete the e-mails. what does hillary clinton have to hide? does she really have to hide her yoga? [laughter] does she really have to hide her grandmother little e-mails? seriously. you know she wiped that server after "the new york times" story came out. that is just unacceptable. as a former white house employee, whatever that was
government e-mail related, it would belong to the government. the fact is that you have some of h they, with a hammer, they destroyed devices. i'm sorry, this is not just pure convenience -- bill: can you defend that, lanny? >> mercedes has said so much, i just want to tell her that i admire her and am a close friend with her former boss, president bush, and he had a secretary of state named colin powell who is now on the record as we said many times advising secretary clinton to use a private e-mail so as to avoid being captured by the government. she said that was a terrible mistake. be and i think -- bill: did he recommend, lanny, did he recommend the hammer too? [laughter] any advice in there about bleach bits? >> no, he didn't -- bill: what about the computer company in denver, colorado, was that in that e-mail too? >> he didn't recommend going to the moon, but he did say you should use a private blackberry so that you can avoid government capture. she has said that using a private server which mr. comey
said there's no evidence was hacked was a mistake. general powell used aol server which has been frequently hacked, as has the state department unlike what we now know from mr. comey, no evidence of hacking of -- bill: does that make it all right, mercedes? >>, no absolutely not. and secretary paul actually came out -- secretary powell said he felt the clinton campaign were putting the blame on him -- >> no. >> -- which is absolutely ridiculous. yes. and i think for hillary clinton the mere fact that she's telling -- there's two tales being told, right? so hillary clinton goes forth and says, tells the american people, look, i know what's classified, what's not classified, and then she tells the fbi something different. she gives an airheaded respond response, says i didn't know what the c spent -- >> okay. i need to respond, please. mercedes, may i please respond? bill: lanny, you're going to get your moment. >> i don't want to interrupt mercedes.
bill: i want to bring you both back -- >> may i respond, please -- bill: the reason why we brought you in today was to talk about this headline. the media's undisputeed -- >> well, first of all, i have to respond the little c, director comey said an expert would not have recognized only three mails that she saw had little cs on them. director comey -- excuse me, mercedes -- said no expert would recognize those e-mails as classified. as to the media bias, as far as i'm concerned when on the one occasion we spent lots of times about e-mails where director comey said not even close, no crime, but donald trump pays $25,000 illegally -- bill: i got it. i apologize for cutting you both off, we'll bring you back, but we have a moment of silence now that we need to get to. martha: on capitol hill where they are playing "god bless america." listen in for a moment here. ♪ land that i love --
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♪ ♪ >> what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> about -- >> aleppo. >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. >> aleppo is in syria. it's the, it's the epicenter of the refugee crisis -- >> okay, got it. got it. >> okay. martha: that moment yesterday for the libertarian candidate, gary johnson, exposing a sad truth about the civil war in syria.
caught in the headlights, essentially, when asked about events in aleppo, he did not know, and that is the problem, but he is not the only one who doesn't understand what this little boy's life has been like. his name is omran, he was rescued from the rubble of his bombed-out home. this heartbreaking photo was seen around the world, yet so many still don't know what has happened to his country. gillian turner, a former member of the white house national security council staff serving under presidents bush and obama, and a fox news contributor. welcome, good to have you with us this morning. >> thanks, martha. martha: gary johnson has said he thought it was an acronym, he spoke to neil, he felt he needed to know more, obviously. so that's ooh sort of beside the point, but i wrote an opinion piece about this because it sort of prompted me to think about how many of us and how many people in this country need to know more about what's going on in syria.
tell us more about the current work that's being done to help this little boy's village and so many places like it. >> well, in aleppo in particular which i would say it's sort of the heart of the assad regime's chemical warfare campaign against his open people, the people who live there have basically been coming under assault since the civil war inside the country erupted in 2011, almost five years ago. and it's because they're viewed, this town is viewed by the assad regime as a rebel stronghold. so it's sort of total destruction there. and i think it's important to always reground people when they're talking about the civil war in syria or anywhere in the world that at the heart of this is always a humanitarian crisis. what we're seeing now in aleppo is perhaps, arguably, the gravest humanitarian crisis we've seen in the 21st century so far including africa. martha: yeah. let's put up some numbers on the screen that back up exactly what
you're talking about. 250,000-300,000 civilians trapped since july because, as you say, assad believes this is a rebel stronghold, and he doesn't care that there are children living there. he drops chlorine bombs from helicopters on this town on a regular basis. it just happened a few days ago. two million people don't have running water in this town of aleppo, and 29,000 are believed to have been killed since june of 2012, but because it's so hard to get in there and document, these numbers are sort of broad, correct? >> absolutely correct. and then the other little-known fact is that the assad regime and his military supporters are doing everything that they can to cause harm and destruction to the aid workers who have made it inside aleppo. a lot of them are paying the ultimate price, that is their life, for trying to show up from all across the world to try and help the people there whether it's medical aid, whether it's food aid, whether it's trying to help them construct temporary shelters.
the assad regime is cutting it all down, and it's a grave and atrocious human rights violation that he's carrying out here. martha: yeah. there's a picture yesterday -- and, you know, if you just google any of this at home, you're going to see horrifying pictures. it's just simply not discussed enough, which is why we want to bring attention to it. but you talk about chemical wall fare, and we remember when -- warfare, and we remember when president obama said if a red line was crossed, that would be a red line, that we would have to act. and, of course, we have not, gillian. >> yeah. i believe that was in 2013 when president obama said that, and the country as a result has really suffered. be not only because they've four been completely -- now been completely and thoroughly infiltrated by isis, but because of the spoils of the civil war that's going on, russia has inserted itself into this crisis. it's unclear whether they're doing more harm than good at this point in time. they went into syria under the pretext of trying to root out isis fighters, but really what
they've done is try and kill as many anti-assad rebels as they can. that includes kurds, turkmen, americans. martha: we know donald trump said during the commander in chief forum that he believed we could be on the same side with putin to fight isis. what do you believe? >> i believe it's more sort of a pie in the sky hope. it's a very appealing idea, but i think it doesn't really have any legs because the fundamental problem here is that the united states and russia don't agree on targeting operations. we're in there to try and kill isis fighters on the ground, russia is in there to try and, as i said, kill off the anti-assad rebels. so until we have some kind of cohesion on who we're targeting, it's impossible to build a ceasefire that will hold, it's impossible to provide any kind of guarantees to civilians there that they won't be egregiously treated, and anything else we try and set up with them whether it's joint intelligence sharing,
whether it's this joint operations command center they're setting up in amman, close by, none of it's really going to work because we have different goals and objectives. martha: well, if there's an upside to gary johnson's blank stare moment, it's that it forced all of us to think again about what's going on in syria and, hopefully, take some action to help people there. gillian, thank you very much. good to have you with us. >> thanks, martha. and thanks for your op-ed. bill: good piece online, martha. jon scott's up next on "happening now." good morning. jon: good morning to you, bill. did the u.s. pay iran even more than we first thought before the release of those american hostages? our guest says the obama administration may have shelled out more than $33 billion. plus, a high-wire rescue with 33 lives in the balance. passengers trapped overnight in cable cars dangling 12,000 feet up in the alps. and rebuilding ground zero, a tour of what the world trade center in the lower manhattan
♪ ♪ bill: got a warning from the faa about owners of a samsung new smartphone motto turn them on or charge them during a flight because they might catch fire. wow. elizabeth prann's got that story. what is the faa telling airline carriers, elizabeth? >> reporter: good morning. that's an important question, because each airline makes its own determination to comply with the faa rules, but this is extremely unusual, perhaps be unprecedented, for the faa to warn passengers about a specific product. in a statement, the agency writes, quote: it strongly
advises passengers not to turn on or charge these devices onboard aircraft and not to stow them in checked luggage. a number of reports have surfaced these devices are catching fire due to an issue with the internal rechargeable lithium battery. the manufacturer began a massive recall which is about 2.5 million phones, bill. bill: has there been a ban like this before? >> reporter: well, not exactly. so reports of lithium batteries igniting in cargo aircrafts, that has been reported. but airlines have worked actively to prevent this in the commercial sector. you may remember when hoverboards were not allowed on some airlines, well, that was individual airlines banning them, not the faa making this large move. now, as far as action from individual airlines in this particular instance, that's up to the carrier. we did see statements from delta. officials say they're complying. they write in part: we will comply with any directive and are studying this matter. safety and security is always delta's top priority. internationally we've seen
carriers such as australian airlines, qantas and virgin australia all banning 35e7bgs from using or charging these particular phones. we will see. bill: we shall. thanks, elizabeth prann, in washington. martha: guess what? you can vote today if you live in north carolina. early voting starts now in that state. how hillary clinton and donald trump are trying to make strides in the swing states as election day roll ares closer. >>
don't you dare, don't you do that. i love the look on his face. >> no, don't. >> i think you get away with that once. have a great weekend. martha: you too. >> and sunday we will remember together. martha: we will. have a great rest of your day, everybody. jenna: first ballots are being cast in 2016 presidential election as early voting begins in the battleground state of north carolina. we are here already. hello, everybody, i'm jenna lee. john: hard to believe. i'm john scott. the race tightening in other swing states. hillary clinton today is trying to refocus the narrative on foreign policy chops meeting today with experts and homeland security secretary michael and form