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the first presidential debate of 2016 is here. the candidates are waiting backstage and it's go time. donald trump and hillary clinton will square off just moments from now. good evening, everyone. i'm megyn kelly. >> and i'm bret baier. tonight the debate will last 90 minutes without any breaks, each candidate hoping to make their case with the white house and gain new momentum as we get closer and closer to election day. the reason we're talking a little softly is because the 1,100 people in this debate hall have been told not to interrupt, not to clap, not to really be a part of this debate in any way
that could interrupt the interaction between the candidates. each segment, 15-minute segments, 90 minutes total. there will be two-minute question and answer. >> two-minute question and response. >> and then ten minutes to go at it with these candidates. >> you can feel the tension in the room which is part of the excitement of being here. everyone knows what's another stake. this is the race that's now tied involving the two most unpopular candidates in u.s. history. this is a chance for one to get ahead of the other and to convince the american public watching on all the channels that they're the likeable one, the one for the job. as donald trump said this is a chance go from provok tore to president and for her to prove she's trustworthy or at least likeable. >> think about the history here, the first woman to be nominated to a major party as the nominee
taking the stage in a general election for the first time. secondly, where donald trump came from, from being made fun of by president obama at the white house correspondents' dinner in 2015 to everybody saying he wouldn't get in the race to everybody saying he wasn't going to win to then this, walking on this stage. >> it was 15 months ago that donald trump took that escalator ride down in the trump tower and gave the speech that started it all for him. and as you point out, he was the subject of considerable mockery not only by the obama white house but by many in the country. he was on the cover of new york daily news as a clown and there was an article out about president obama and his team saying they're not laughing anymore. there isn't anybody in this country that isn't taking donald trump seriously tonight and it is anybody's race at this point. >> if you look at the polls, every poll that you look at has closed, it seems. there has not been a widening.
that is surprising for the clinton folks. they expected to be up a little bit more at this point. some of the states they're watching, virginia, colorado, places that have been going blue. >> pennsylvania. >> pennsylvania. and they are trending toward trump's way. now, if he can have a big moment tonight, if he can make an impact, does this race change even further? we'll see. >> and does she need a game-changer given what we discussed about the momentum around does she go for it? does this person who's a policy wonk and stateswoman take the risk of provoking hum, the infamous counter-puncher and does he walk into the abyss. >> let's turn it over to lester holt from nbc, and this debate starts. >> good evening from hofstra university in hempstead, new york. i'm lester holt, anchor of "nbc nightly news." i want to welcome you to the first presidential debate. the participants tonight are donald trump and hillary
clinton. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. the commission drafted tonight's format and the rules have been agreed to by the campaigns. the 90-minute debate is divided into six segments each 15 minutes long. we'll explore three topic areas tonight, achieving prosperity, america's direction, and securing america. at the start of each segment i'll ask the same lead-off question to both candidates and they will each have up to two minutes to respond. from that point until the end of the segment we'll have an open discussion. the questions are mine and have not been shared with the commission or the campaigns. the audience here in the room has agreed to remain silent so that we can focus on what the candidates are saying. i will invite you to applaud, houvg at this moment as we welcome the candidate. democratic nominee for president of the united states hillary clinton and republican nominee for president of the united states donald trump.
[ cheers and applause ] . >> good luck to you. >> you too. >> well, i don't expect us to cover all the issues of this campaign tonight but i remind even there are two more presidential debates scheduled. we're going to focus on many of the issues voters tell us are most important and we're going to press for specifics. i'm honored to be in this role but the role is that of the candidates. we look forward to you articulating on your policies and provisions and vision and values. so let's begin. we're calling this opening segment achieving prosperity and
central to that is jobs. there are two economic realities in america today. there's been a record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers show incomes have increased at a record rate after years of stagnation, however, income inequality remains significant and nearly half of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. beginning with you, secretary clinton, why are you a better choice than your opponent to create the kinds of jobs that will put more money into the pockets of american workers. >> thank you, lester, an thanks to hofstra for hosting us. the central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together. today is my granddaughter's second birthday, so i think about this a lot. first we have to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. that means we need new jobs, good jobs, with rising incomes. i want us to invest in you. i want us to invest in your
future. that means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean renewable energy and small business because most of the new jobs will come from small business. we also have to make the economy fairer. that starts with raising the national minimum wage and also guaranteed, finally, equal pay for women's work. i also want to see more companies do profit-sharing. if you help create the profits, you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top. and i want us to do more to support people who are struggling to balance family and work. i've heard from so many of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you're under. so let's have paid family leave, earned sick days. let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college. how are we going to do it?
by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close the corporate loopholes. finally we tonight are on the stage together, donald trump and i. donald, it's good to be with you. we're going have a debate where we are talking about the important issues facing our country. you have to judge us. who can shoulder the immense awesome responsibilities of the presidency. who can put into action the plans that will make your life better? i hope that i will be able to earn your vote on november 8th. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, the same question to you. it's about putting more money into the pockets of american workers. have to up to two minutes. >> thank you, lester. our jobs are fleeing the country. they're going to mexico, they're going to many other countries. you look at what china is doing to our country in terms of making our product. de valle ew currency, and there's nobody in our government to fight them and we have a very good fight and we have a winning fight because
they're using our country as a piggy bank to rebuild china, and many other countries are doing the same thing. we're losing a good job, so many of them. when you look at mexico, a friend of mine is building plants. the eighth wonder if the world. some of the most sophisticated, some of the best plants. with the united states, as you said, not so much. so ford is leaving. you see that. the small car division is leaving. thousands of jobs, leave michigan, leave ohio. they're all leaving. and we can't allow it to happen anymore. as far as child care is concern and so many other things, i think hillary and i agree on that. we probably disagree as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do but perhaps we'll be talking about that later. but we have to stop our jobs from being stolen from us. we have to stop our companies
from leaving the united states and with it firing all of their people. all you have to do is take a look at carrier air conditioning in indianapolis. they left, fired 1,400 people. they're going to mexico. so many hundreds and hundreds of companies are doing this. we cannot let it happen. under my plan, i'll be reducing taxes tremendously from 35% to 15% for companies, small and big businesses. that's going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since ronald reagan. it's going to be a beautiful thing to wachlt companies will come, they will build, they will expand. new companies will start. and i look very, very much forward to doing it. we have to renegotiate our trade deals and we have to stop these countries from stealing our companies and our jobs. >> secretary clinton, would you like to respond? >> well, i think that trade is an importantish. of course, we're 5% of the kun
world's population. we have to trade. we have to have smart fair trade deals. we also have to have a tax system that rewards work and not just financial transactions and the kind of plan that donald trump has put forth would be trickle down economics all over again. in fact, it would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this country than we've ever hachld i called trumped up trickled down because that's exactly what it would be. that is not how we grow the economy. we just have a different view about what's best for growing the economy, how we make investments that will actually produce jobs and rising incomes. i think we come at it from somewhat different perspectives. i understand that. diop ald was very fortunate in his life and that's all too his benefit. he started his business with $14 million borrowed from his father and he really believes that the
more you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be and everything will work out from there. i don't buy that. i have a different experience. my father was a small businessman. he worked really hard. he printed drapery fabrics on long tables where he pulling out the fabrics, put on a silk screen and used a squeegee and kept on going. what i believe we can do, the more we can do for the middle class, the more we invest in you, your skills and future, the better we'll be off and the better we'll grow. that's the kind of economy i want to see. >> let me throw out a question to donald trump. you talked about 25 million jobs and you promised to bring bag jobs. how do you plan to bring back companies and labor from overseas. how are you going to tell american manufacturers you have to come back. >> for one thing before we start on that, my father gave me a
small loan in 1975 and i built it with millions and millions of dollars with greater assets. i say that because that's what our country needs. our country is in deep trouble. especially china. they're the best, the best ever at it. what they're doing to us is a very, very sad thing. so we have to do that. we have to renegotiate our trade deals. and, lester, they're taking our jobs, giving incentives, things that we, frankly don't do. let me give you an example of mexico. they have a vat tax. when we set to mexico, there's a tax. 16% approximately. when they sell to us, there's no tax. it's a defective agreement. it's been dedeck fiv for a long time, many years, but the politicians haven't done anything about it. in all fairness to secretary clinton, i guess -- is that
okay? good. i want you to be very happy. it's very important to me. in all fairness to secretary clinton when she started talking about this, it was very recently. she's been doing it for 30 years. just because of the tax and many other reasons but -- >> let me interrupt. >> secretary clinton and others, politicians, slould been doing this for years, not right now because of the fact that we've created a movement. they should have been doing this for years. what's happened to our jobs and our country and our economy generally is, look, we owe 20 trillion. we cannot do it any longer. >> back to the question, how do you specifically bring back jobs? the american manufacturers? how do you bring them back? >> the first thing you do is don't let the companies leave. the companies are leaving. i can name thousands of them. they're leaving in bigger numbers than ever. what you do is you say, fine, if
you want to go to mexico or some other country, good luck. we wish you a lot of luck. but if you think you're going to make your air conditioners or cars or cookies, whatever you make, and bring them into our country without a tax, you're wrong. once you say you're going to tax them -- and politicians never do this because they have special interests and the special interests want the companies to leave because in many cases they own the companies. so what i'm saying is we can stop them from leaving. we have to stop them from leaving and that's a big, big factor. >> let me ask secretary clinton. >> let's stop for a second and remember where we were eight years ago. we had the worth financial crisis, the a great recession, the worst since the 1930s. that was in large part because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off of wall street, and created a perfect storm.
in fact, donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006, gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money. well, it did collapse. >> that's called business, by the way. >> 9 million people. 9 million people lost their jobs, 5 million people lost their homes, and $13 trillion in family wealth was wiped out. now, we have come back from that abyss, and it has not been easy. so we're now on the precipice of having a potentially much better economy, but the last thing we need to do is to go back to the policies that failed us in the first place. independent experts have looked at what i've proposed and looked at what donald's propose and basically they've said this, that if his tax plan which would blow up the debt by over $5 trillion and would in some instances disadvantage middle-class families compared
to the wealthy, were to go into effect, we would lose 3.5 million jobs an maybe have another recession. they've looked at my plans and they've said, okay, if we can do this, and i intend to get it done, we will have 10 million more new jobs because we will be making investments where we can grow the economy. take clean energy. some country is going to be the clean energy super power of the 21st century. donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. i think it's real. >> i do not say that. i do not say that. >> i think it's important that we grip this and deal with it both at home and abrown. here's what we can do. we can deploy a half a billion more solar panels. we can have enough clean energy to power every home. we can build a new modern electric grid. that's a lot of jobs. that's a lot of new economic activity. i've tried to be very specific
about what we can and should do, and i'm determined that we're going to get the economy really moving again, building on the progress we've made over the last eight years but never going back to what got us in trouble in the first place. >> mr. trump. >> she talks about solar panels. we invested in the solar company, our country, that was a disaster. we lost plenty of money on that one. look. i'm a great believe never all forms of energy but we're putting a lot of people out of work. our energy process is a disas r disaster. we're losing so much in terms of energy and peaing off our debt. you can't do what you're look dog with $20 million in debt. the obama administration from the time they've come in is over 230 years worth of debt and he's topped it. he's doubled it in the course of almost eight years, 7.5 years to be semiexact. i will tell you this. we have to do a much better job at keeping our jobs and we have
to do a much better job at giving companies incentive to build new companies or to expand because they're not doing it. all you have to do is look at michigan and look at ohio and look at all of these places where so many of their jobs and their companies are just leaving. they're gone. hillary, i'd just ask you this. you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions now? for 30 years you've been doing it and now you're just starting to think of solutions. >> i would -- >> excuse me. i will bring back jobs. . you haven't. >> have thought about it quite a bit. >> yeah, for 30 years. >> not quite that long. i think my husband did a good job in the 1990s. >> he approved nafta, which is the single worst trade deal. >> incomes went up for
everybody. manufacturing jobs went up also in the 1990s if we're actually going to look at the facts. when i was in the senate, i had a number of trade deals that came before me. i held them all to the same test. will they raise income in america, race jobs and are they good for national security. some of them i voted for. the biggest one, a multi-national one known as cafta, i vote against. i hold them to the same standard as all of these trade deals but let's not assume that trade is the only challenge we have in the economy. i think it is a part of it and i've said what i'm going to do. e i'm going have a special prosecutor. we're going to enforce the trade deals we have and we're going to hold people accountable. when i was secretary of state, we actually increased american exports globally 30%. we increased them to china 50%. so i know how to really work to get new jobs and to get exports that help to create more new
jobs. >> but you haven't done it in 30 years or 26 years, whatever income ber -- >> i've been a senator and i have been a secretary of state. >> excuse me. your husband signed nafta, which was one of the worst things that ever happened. >> that is your opinion. that is your opinion. >> you go to new england, ohio, pennsylvania, you go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation where manufacturer is down 30%, 40%, sometimes 50%. nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere but certainly signed in this country and now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard how i said how bad it was and you said, i won't win that debate. nothing will ever top nafta. >> that is just not accurate. i was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that --
>> you called it the gold standard. >> well, i -- >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it was the final deal you have ever seen. then you heard what i said about it and then you were against im. >> donald, i know you live in your own reality, but that is not the fact. the facts are i said i hoped it would be a good deal. >> not -- >> but when it was negotiated which i was not responsible, i concluded it wasn't. >> is it president obama's fault? is it possible's fault. >> look -- >> secretary, is it president obama's fault because he's pushing it? >> there are different views about what's good for our country, our economy, and our leadership in the world and i think it's important to look at what we need to do to get the economy going again. that's why i said new jobs with rising incomes, investments. not in more tax cuts that would add $5 trillion to the -- >> you have no plan. >> oh, i do.
>> you have no plan. >> it's called "stronger together." you can pick it up at a bookstore or airport near you. >> we're going to move -- >> it's because i see this we're going to have strong growth, fair growth, sustained growth. we also have to look at how families balance the responsibilities at home and the responsibilities at business. so we have a very robust set of plans and people have looked at both of our plans, have concluded that mine would create 10 million jobs and yours would lose us 3.5 million jobs and explode the debt. >> you're going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history. you're going to drive business out. your regulations are a disaster and you're going to increase regulations all over the place. and by the way, my tax cut is the biggest since ronald reagan, i'm very proud of it. it will create new numbers in jobs, but regulations, you're
going to regulate businesses out of business. when i go around -- lester, i tell you this. i go all around. with the tax cuts, the things that people and businesses like the most is the fact i'm cutting regulations. you have regulations on top of regulations and new companies can not form and old companies are going out of business and you want to increase the regulations and make them even worse. i'm going to cut regulation but i'm going to cut taxes big league and you're going to raise taxes big league, end of story. >> let me get you to pause because we're going to move into the next segment. >> that can't be left to stand. >> there would -- >> i kind of assumed there would be a lot of these charges and claims. >> facts. >> and so we have taken the home page of my website, hillaryclinton.com and we've turned it into a fact checker. so if you want to see in real time what the facts are, please go and take a look. >> and take a look at mine also
and you'll see. >> we would not add a penny to the debt and your plan would add $5 trillion to the debt. what i have proposed would cut regulations and streamline them for small businesses. what i have proposed would be paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy because they have made all the gains in the economy and i think it's time that the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share. >> you've opened the next segment. >> you go to my website and go to her website. she's going to raise taxes. >> mr. trump? >> you know what? it's no different than this. go to her website. she tells you how to fight isis on her website. i don't think general mcar thac
would like that. >> at least we have a plan. >> you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> no, i'm not. >> no wonder you've been fighting isis your entire adult life. >> please, go to fact checkers. >> mr. trump, you're going to a lot of issues. i want to talk about fact-checking. y i'd like to have you further defend that. mr. trump you're calling for tax cuts. this new englandtwo-minute answer goes to you, mr. trump. >> they're doing a tremendous job. if you really look, it's not a great thing for the wealthy. it's a great thing for middle class. it's a great thing for companies to expand and when these people are going to put billions and billions of dollars into companies and when they're going
to bring $2.5 trillion back from overseas, they can't bring the money back becauseke secretary allow them to bring the money back because the taxes are so onerous and the bureaucratic red tape is so bad. so what they're doing is leaving our country and they're, believe it it or not, leaving because taxes are too high and because some of them have lots of money outside of our country and instead of bringing it back and putting them to work -- and even agrees they should be brought back -- instead of that, they're leaving our country to get their money because they can't bring their money back into our country because of bureaucratic red tachlt we have a president that can't sit them around a table and get them to approve something. and here's the thing. republicans and democrats agree that this should be done. $2.5 trillion. i happen to think it's double that. it's probably $5 trillion that we can't bring into our country,
lester, and with a little leadership, you'd get it in here very quickly and it would be put to use on the inner cities and lots of other things and it would be beautiful, but we have no leadership. and honestly that starts with secretary clinton. >> all right. you have two minutes to defend tax increase on the wealthy. >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not. >> yeah, why not. just join the debate by saying more crazy things. >> there's nothing crazy about not letting our companies bring their money back into the country. >> this is secretary clinton's two minutes, please. >> let's start the clock again, lester. we've looked at your tax proposals. i don't see changes in the corporate tax rates or the kinds of proposals you're referring to that would cause a repatriation
of bringing back money from oversea. i have a way that that will work to our benefit, but when i look at what you have proposed, you have what is called now the trump loophole because it would so advantage you and the business you do. you've proposed and approached -- >> who gave it that -- >> this is secretary clinton's two minutes. >> tax benefit for your family. and when you look at -- >> how much for my family? lester, how much? >> trumped up trickle down. trickle down did not work. it got us into the mess we were in in 2008 and 2009. slashing taxes on the wealthy hasn't worked. and a lot of really smart wealthy people know that. and they are saying, hey, we need to do more to make the contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle class. i don't think top down works in america. i think building the middle
class, investing in the middle class, making college debt-free so more young people can get their education. helping people refinance their debt from college at a lower rate, those are the kinds of things that will really boost the economy. broad based inclusive growth is what we need in america, not more advantages for people at the very top. >> mr. trump -- >> typical politician, all talk, no action, sounds good, doesn't work, never going to happen, our country is suffering because people like secretary clinton have made such bad decisions in terms of our jobs and in terms of what's going on. now, look. we have the worst revival of an economy since the great depression, and believe me. we're in a bubble right now. and the only thing that looks good is the stockmarket, but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that's going to come crashing down.
we're in a big fat ugly bubble and we'd better be awfully careful and we have a fed that's doing political things. this janet yellen of the fed, the fed is doing political by keeping the interest rates at this level. and believe me, the day obama goes off and he leaves and he goes out the golf course for the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you're going to see some very bad things happen because the fed is not doing their job. the fed is being more political than secretary clinton. >> mr. trump, we're talking about the burden that the americans have yet to pay and yet you have not released your tax returns and the reason that candidates have leads their tax returns is to know if they owe money to or if there are any conflicts. >> i don't mind releasing. i'm under a routine audit and it will be released. but you will learn more about
donald trump by going down to the federal elections where i filed a 104-page essentially financial statement of sorts, the forms that they have. it shows income -- in fact, the income -- i just looked today. the income is filed at $694 million for this past year. $694 million. if you would have told me i was going to make that 15 or 20 years ago, i would be very surprised. but that's the kind of thinking that our country needs. when you have a country that's doing so badly, being ripped off by every single country in the world, it's the kind of thinking that our country needs. lester, we have a trade deficit with all the countries we do business with of almost $800 billion a year. you know what that is? who's negotiating these trade deals? you have political hacks --
>> the irs has -- you're perfectly free to release your taxes. the question is does the public have the right -- >> i told you i will release them as soon as the audit -- look, i've been under audit for almost 15 years. i know a lot of wealthy people that never get audited. i say, do you get audited? i get audited every single year. i should fw complaining. i don't. i don't mind it. others don't. let me say. this we have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. i will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes. when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. as soon as she releases her 33,000 e-mails, i will release my tax returns. that's against my lawyers. they say don't do that. as a matter of fact they're
watching the shows, releasing papers. when the audit's complete, i will do it. i would go against them -- >> so it's negotiable? >> it's not negotiable. why did she delete 33,000 e-mails? >> i'll let her answer that. let me admonish the audience. it would be helpful if you're silence. secretary clinton. >> i think you've seen another example of bait and switch. for 40 years presidential candidates have released their tax returns. you have seen 39 or 40 years of our tax rurns. everyone has done that. the irs has made it clear, there's no prohibition of releasing it when you're under audit. you've got ask yourself. why won't he release his tax returns. i think for a couple of reasons. maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. second, maybe he's not as
charitable as hi claims to be. third, we don't know all of his businessings but we have been told through investigative reporting he owes about $650 million to wall street and foreign banks. or maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes be u ba us the only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn it over to state authorities to try to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> when you see zero, zero for troops or vets or school or health and i think probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see what the real reasons are. it must be something really important, even terrible that he's trying to hide. and the financial disclosure
statement, they don't give you the tax rate or all the details that a tax return would and it just seemed to me that this is something that the american people deserve to see and i have no reason to believe that he's ever going to release his tax returns because there's something he's hiding and we'll guess. we'll keep guessing what it is that he's hiding, but i think the question is were he ever to get near the white house, what would be those conflicts? who does he owe money to? well, he owes you the answers to that and he should provide them. >> he also raised the issue of your e-mails. do you want to respond to that? >> i do. you know, i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> and if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently, but i'm not going to make any excuses. it was a mistake and i take responsibility for that. >> mr. trump? >> that was more than a mistake
that. was done purposely. that was done purposely. when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they're not prosecuted whrk own view the man who set up the illegal server taking the fifth, i thit's disgraceful, and believe me, this country thinks it -- really thinks it's disgraceful achlts as far as my tax returns, you don't learn that much from tax returns, that i can tell you. you learn from financial disclosure. you should go down and look at that. the other thing, i'm extremely underleveraged. the report that says 660 -- by the way, a lot of my friends say, that's not a lot of money. it's not a lot of money relative to money i had. the buildings -- it was. a bad story to be honest with you, but the buildings are worth $9.6 billion and the 650 is not even that. it's not even 650.
it's much less than that. i would give you a list of banks if that would help you. these are very fine institutions, very fine banks. i would be happy to do that. i'm greatly underleveraged. i have a great company. the reason i say that is not in a brag doeshs way. it's about time this country had somebody running it who has some idea about money. when we have $20 trillion in debt and our country's a mess -- it's one thing to be in $20 trillion in debt but our roads are good and bridges are good -- our airports are like a third world country. you land at la gar ya, kennedy, newark, and you come in from dubai, qatar, china, you see these incredible airports and you land -- we've become a third world country. so the worst of all things has happened. we owe $20 trillion and we're a mess.
we haven't even started. and we spent $6 trillion in the middle east according to a report i just saw, whether it's 6 or 5, but it looks like it's 6. $6 trillion in the middle east. we could have rebuilt our country twice and it's really a shachlt it's politicians like secretary clinton that have caused this problem. our country has tremendous problem problems. we're a debtor nation. with ee a serious debtor nation who needs new roads, bridges, airports, schools, hospitals, and we don't have the money because it's been squandered on so many of your ideas. >> and because you haven't paid any federal income tax for a lot of years. >> it would be squandered, too, believe me. >> if your main claim to be president of the united states is your business, then i think we should talk about that. you know, your campaign manager said you built a lot of
businesses on the backs of little guys and, indeed, i have met a lot of the people who were stiffed by you and your businesses, donald. i've met dishwasher, painters, architects, glass instaerls, mashable installers, drapery installers like my dad was who you refused to pay when they finished the work that you asked them to do. we have an architect in the audience who designed one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. it's a beautiful facility. it immediately was put to use. and you wouldn't pay what the man needed to be paid, what he was charging you. >> maybe he didn't do a good job and i was unsatisfied with his work which our country should do too. >> to the thousands of people you have stiffed over the course of your business not deserve some kind of apology from someone who has taken their
labor, taken the goods that they produced, and then refused to pay them. i can only say that i'm certainly relieved that my late father never did business with you. he provided a good middle-class life for us, but the people he worked for, he expected the garn to be kept on both sides. and when we talk about your business, you've taken business bankruptcy six times. there are a lot of great businesspeople that have never taken bankruptcy once. you call yourself the king of debt, you talk about leverage, you even at one time suggested that you would try to negotiate down the -- >> wrong, wrong. >> -- national debt of the united states. well, sometimes there's not a direct transfer of skills from business to government, but sometimes what happened in business would be really bad for government. >> i think it's time. >> i do think it's time.
look. it's all words. it's all sound bites. i built annan believable company. bit some of the greatest assets better than anywhere in the united states. it's an unbelievable company. but on occasion we used certain laws that are there. and when secretary clinton talks about people that didn't get paid, first of all, they did get paid a lot, but taking advantage of the laws of the nation. if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long time, change the laws, but i take advantage of the laws of the nation because i'm running a country. my obligation is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my company. that's what i do. what she doesn't say is the tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that lovemy. i'll given you an example. we're just opening up on
pennsylvania avenue right next to the white house. so if i don't get there one way, i'm going get to pennsylvania avenue another, but we're opening the old post office, under budget, ahead of schedule, saved tremendous money, i'm a year ahead of schedule, and that's what this country should be doing. we build roads that cost three our four times what they should cost and we buy supplies for the military and they come so much more than what they should be. when we look at the budget, the budget is bad because we have people who have no idea as to what to do and how to buy. trump international is way under budget and way ahead of schedule and we should be able to do that for our country. >> well, we're well behind schedule so i'm going to move to our next segment. we move into the next segment and let's start by talking about
rachls americans say race is bad in the country. much amplified by shootings of african-americans by police as we've seen in tulsa. dwlou heal the divide? secretary clinton, you get two minutes on this. >> well, you're right. race remains a significant challenge in our country. unfortunately it determines too much, often where they live, what kind of education in their public schools they can get, and, yes, it determines how they're treating in the criminal justice system. we've just seen those two tragic examples in both tulsa and charlotte. and we've got to do several things at the same time. we have to rae store trust between communities and the
police, we have to make sure the police are using the best training, the best technique, that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary. everyone should be respected by the law and executipectatio res law. ever since the first day of my campaign called for criminal justice reform. i laid out platform that i think would begin to remedy some of the problems we have in the criminal justice system, but we also have to recognize in addition to the challenges that we face with policing, there are so many good brave police officers who equally want reform. so we have to bring communities together in order to zbrin workiwor begin working on that as a mutual goal and we've got to get
guns out of the hands of people who should not have them. the gun epidemic is the leading cause of death of young african-american men, more than the next nine causes put together. so we have to do two things as i said. we have to restore trust, work with the police, make sure they respect the communities and the communities respect them and we have to tackle the plague of gun violence, which is a big contributor to a lot of the problems we see. >> mr. trump organization view two minutes. how do you the divide. >> first secretary clinton doesn't want to use two words, law and order. we need it. when we don't have it, i don't have a country. when we look at what's going on in charlotte, a city i love, a city where i have investments, when i look at what's going on in parts of our country, could keep naming them all day lock. we need law and order in our
country. just got today, as you know, the endorsement of the fra teshl order of police. it just came in. we have endorsements from i think almost every police group, a large percentage of them in the united states. we have a situation where we have our inner cities, african-americans, hispanics are living in hell it's so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. in chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since january 1st. thousands of shootings. i'm saying, where is this? is this a war-torn country? what are they doing? we have to stop the violence, we have is to bring back law and order in a place like chicago where thousands of people -- thousands over the last number of year, in fact, 4,000 have been killed since barack obama
became president. almost 4,000 people in chicago have been killed. we have to bring back law and order. now, whether or not in a place like chicago, you do stop and frisk which worked very well. mayor giuliani is here. it worked well in new york. it brought the crime way dourchl but you take the guns away from criminals who shouldn't be having it. we have gangs roaming the streets. in many cases they're illegal immigrant and they have guns and shoot people. we have to be very strong, vigilant. we have to know what we're doing. right now the police are afraid to do anything. we have to protect the inner cities because african-american communities are being decimated by crime. >> your two minutes expired. i do want to follow up. stop and frisk was ruled out as
unconstitutional. >> no, you're wrong. it went before a judge who was very against the police judge. it was taken away from her and our mayor -- new mayor refused to go forward with the case. they would have won the appeal. >> the argument is it's a form of racial profiling. >> no. the argument is we have to take the guns away from these people that have them and that are bad people that shouldn't have them these are felons, bad people that shouldn't be -- when you have 3,000 shootings in chicago from january 1st, when you have 4,000 people killed in chicago from guns from the beginning of the presidency of barack obama, his hometown, you need stop and frisk. you need a better community relation. you don't have good community relations in chicago. it's terrible. i have property there. it's tear whabl's going on in
chicago. when you look -- chicago is not the only one. when you to ferguson, so many different places, you need better relationships, i agree with secretary clinton on this. you need better roipgss you need better relationships between the communities and the police. in some cases it's not good. but you look at dallas where the relationships were really viole. so there are some bad things going on, some really bad things and it's very unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to happen. >> secretary clinton. >> well i've heard donald say this at his rallies and it's
really unfortunate that he paints a dire negative picture of black communities in our country. you know, the vibrancy of the black church, the black businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that so many families are working to provide for their kids. there's a lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting and lifting up. but we do always have to make sure we keep people safe. there are the right ways of doing it and then there are ways that are ineffective. stop and frisk was found to be unconstitutional. and in part because it was ineffective. it did not do what it needed to do. now i believe in community policing and in fact violent crime is one half of what it was in 1991. property crime is down 40%. we just don't want to see it creep back up. we've had 25 years of very good
cooperation. but there were some problems, some unintended consequences. too many young african-american and latino men ended up in jail for nonviolent offenses and it's just a fact that if you're a young african-american man and you do the same thing as a young white man, you are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated. so we've got to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. we cannot just say law and order. we have to say -- we have to come forward with a plan that is going to divert people from the criminal justice system, deal with mandatory minimum sentences which have put too many people away for too long for doing too little. we need to have more second chance programs. i'm glad that we're ending private prisons in the federal
system. i want to see them ended in the state system. you shouldn't have a profit motivation to fill prison cells with young americans. there are some positive ways we can work on this. and i believe strongly that common sense gun safety measures would assist us right now, and this is something that donald vz supported. right now we've got too many military-style weapons on the streets. in a lot of places our police are outgunned. we need comprehensive background checks and we need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm. and we finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who is on the terrorist watch list from being able to buy a gun in our country. if you're too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. there are things we can do and we ought to do it in a bipartisan way. >> secretary clinton you said we've got to do everything possible to improve policing to
go right at implicit bias. do you believe that police are implicitly bias against black people? >> i think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police. i think too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. and therefore i think we need all of us to be asking hard questions about, you know, why am i feeling this way. but when it comes to policing, since it can have literally fatal consequences, i have said in my first budget, we would put money into that budget to help us deal with implicit bias by retraining a lot of our police officer. i've met with a group of very distinguished experienced police chiefs a few weeks ago. they admit it's an issue. they've got a lot of concerns. mental health is one of the biggest concerns because now police are having to handle a lot of difficult mental health problems on the street.
they want support. they want more training. they want more assistance. and i think the federal government could be in a position where we would offer and provide that. >> i'd like to respond to that. >> please. >> first of all, i agree, and a lot of people even within my own party want to give certain right to people on watch lists and no-floi lists. i agree with you. when a person is on a watch list or a no-fly list and have the endorsement of the nra, these are very good people protecting the second amendment. i think we have to look very strongly at no-fly lists and watch lists. if people are on there, we'll help them legally, help them get off. but i tend to agree with that quite strongly. i do want to bring up the fact that you were the one that brought up super predator about young black youth. and that's a term that i think was -- it's been horribly met as you know. i think you've apologized for
it. i think it was a terrible thing to say. when it comes to stop and frisk, you're talking about taking guns away. i'm talking about taking guns away from gangs and people that use them. i really don't think you disagree with me on this, if you want to know the truth. maybe there's a political reason why you can't say it but i don't believe it -- in new york city stop and frisk we have 2,200 murders and stop and frisk brought it down to 500 murders. hard to believe that 500 is supposed to be good. but we went from 2,200 to 500 and it was continued on by mayor bloomberg and terminated by the current mayor. but stop and frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of new york city, tremendous beyond belief. when you say it has no impact, it really had a very big impact. >> it's also fair to say, if we're going the talk about mayors, that under the current mayor crime has continued to drop, including murders. >> you're wrong.
>> no, i'm not. >> murders are up. you check. >> new york has done an excellent job. i give credit, i give credit across the board going back two mayors, two police chiefs because it has worked. other communities need to come together to do what will work as well. look, one murder is too many. >> true. >> but it is important that we learn about what has been effective and not go to things that sound good that really did not have the kind of impact that we would want. who disagrees with keeping neighborhoods safe? but let's also add no one should disagree about respecting the rights of young men who live in those neighborhoods. and so we need to do a better job of working again with the communities, faith communities, business communities as well as
the police to deal with this problem. >> this conversation is about race. so mr. trump i have to ask you -- >> i if i can respond if i might. >> please respond and then i have a follow-up question. >> look, the african-american community has been let down by our politicians. they talk good around election time like right now and then after the election they say see you later. i'll see you in four years. the community within the inner cities has been so badly treated, they've been abused and used in order to get votes by democrat pom tigss. they've controlled the communities for up to 100 years. >> mr. trump -- >> unbroken. i will tell you. you look at the inner cities, i just left detroit, i just left philadelphia. you've seen me. i've been all over the place. you decided to stay home and that's okay. i've been all over and i've met some of the greatest people i'll ever meet within these communities and they're very
very upset with what their politicians have told them and what their politicians have done. >> mr. trump -- >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president and i think that's a good thing. >> mr. trump for five years you perpetuated a false claim that the president was not a citizen. in the last couple of weeks you acknowledged that the president was born in the united states. can you tell us what took you so long? >> i'll tell you just very simple to say. sidney blumenthal works for the campaign and a very close friend of secretary clinton. and her campaign manager, patty doyle, went to, during the campaign, her campaign against
president obama, fought very hard, and you can go look it up and check it out, and if you look at cnn this past week patty doyle was on wolf blitzer saying that this happened. blumenthal sent a highly respected reporter to kenya to find out about it. they were pressing it very hard. she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. i got him to give the birth certificate. i'm satisfied with it. i'll tell you why i'm satisfied with it. because i want to get on to defeating isis. i because i want to get on to creating jobs. because i want to get on to having a strong border. because i want to get on with things that are important to me and to the country. >> i just want to question the answer here. the birth certificate was produced in 2011. you continued to tell the story and question the president's legit ma say in 2012, '13, '14,
'15. the question is what changed your mind. >> nobody was pressing it, nobody cared much about it. i figured you would ask the question but nobody was caring much about it. i was the one that got him the produce the birth certificate and i think i did a good job. secretary clinton also fought it. now everybody said she was going to say that's not true. it was true. sidney blumenthal sent a reporter -- take a look at cnn last week, your former campaign manager. she was involved. just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. >> i will let you respond to that. there's a lot there. we're talking about racial healing in this segment. what do you say to americans -- >> i say nothing because iz was able to get him to produce it. he should have produced it a long time before. i say nothing.
when you talk about healing i've developed very good relationships over the last little while with the african-american community. i think you can see that. and i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton. >> well, just listen to what you heard and clearly, as donald just admitted, he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage and lester holt was going to be asking us questions so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that he's late. he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an american citizen. there was absolutely no evidence for it, but he persisted.
he persisted year after year because some of his supporters, people that he was trying to bring into his fold apparently believed it or wanted to believe it. but remember, donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood that was the policy. he actually was sued twice by the justice department. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. barack obama is a man of great dignity and i could tell how much it bothered him and annoyed
him that this was become touted and used against him. but i like to remember what michelle obama said in her amazing speech at our democratic national convention, when they go low, we go high. and barack obama went high, despite donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. >> mr. trump you can respond and then we're going to move on to the next segment. >> i would love to respond. i got to watch some of your debates against barack obama. you treated him with terrible disrespect. and i watch the way you talk now about how lovely everything is and how wonderful you are. doesn't work that way. you were after him. you even sent out or your campaign sent out pictures of him in a certain garb, famous pictures. you can't deny that. just last week your campaign manager said it was true. when you try to act holier than
to thou, it doesn't work. yes, i went to brooklyn, and we with many other companies across the country were a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. they sued many people. i notice you bring that up a lot and i notice the very nasty commercials you do on me in so many different ways which i don't do do on you. maybe i'm trying to save the money. but frankly i look at that and say, isn't that amazing, because i settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt. but that was a lawsuit brought against many real estate firms and it's just one of those things. i'll go one step further. in palm beach, florida, tough community, a brilliant community, a wealthy community, probably the wealthiest community there is in the world, i opened a club and really got great credit for it.
no discrimination against african-americans, against muslims, against anybody. and it's a tremendously successful club and i'm so glad i did it. and i have been given great credit for what i did, and i'm very very proud of it. and that's the way i feel. that is the true way i feel. >> our next segment is called securing america. we want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in the country. our institutions are under cyberattack and our secrets are being stolen. so my question is who's behind it and how do we fight it. secretary clinton, this answer goes to you. >> well i think cybersecurity, cyber warfare will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next president. because clearly we're facing at this point two different kinds of adversaries. there are the independent hacking groups that do it mostly for commercial reasons to try to
steal information that they then can use to make money. but increasingly we're seeing cyberattacks coming from states, organs of states. the most recent and troubling of these has been russia. there's no doubt now that russia has used cyberattacks against all kinds of organizations in our country. i'm deeply concerned about this. i know donald is very praise worthy of vladimir putin. but putin is playing a really tough long game here. and one of the things he's done is to let loose cyberattackers to hack into government files, to hack into personal files, hack into the democratic national committee. and we recently have learned, you know, that this is one of their preferred methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect information. we need to make it very clear,
whether it's russia, china, iran or anybody else, the united states has much greater capacity and we are not going to sit idly by and permit state actor to go after our information. our private secotor information or our public sector information. we have to make it clear we don't want to dwrus the kinds of tools that we have, we don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare but we will defend the citizens of this country. and the russians need to understand that. i think they've been treating it as a probing, how far will we go, how much will we do. that's why i was so shocked when donald invited putin to hack into americans. that is unacceptable. that's one of the reasons why 50 national security officials who served in republican amendments --
>> two minutes have expired. >> -- donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. it's comments like that that really worry people that understand the threats that we face. >> mr. trump, you have two minutes on the same question, who is behind it and how do we fight it. >> i was just endorsed and more coming this week. it will be over 200 admirals and general l endorsed me to lead this country. that just happened and many more are coming. i'm very proud of it. in addition i was just endorsed by i.c.e. they've never endorsed anybody before on immigration. i was just recently endorsed, 16,500 border patrol agents. i'll take the admirals and i'll take the generals any day over the political hacks that i see that have led our country so brilliantly over the last ten years with our knowledge. look at the mess that we're in. as far as the cyber, i agree to
parts of what secretary clinton said. we should be better than anybody else and perhaps we're not. i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia. maybe it was. it could be russia but it could also be china. could be lots of other people. could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. you don't know who broke into dnc. but what have we learned with dnc? we learned that bernie sanders was taken advantage of by your people. by debbie wasserman schultz. look what happened to her. now whether that was russia, whether that was china or another country, we don't know. because the truth is under president obama we've lost control of things that we used to have control of. we came in with the internet, we came up with the internet and i think secretary clinton and myself would agree very much,
when you look at what isis is doing with the internet, they're beating us at our own game. isis. so we have to get very very tough of cyber and cyber warfare. it is a huge problem. i have a son, he's 10 years old. she has computers. he is so good with these commute comput computers. we are not doing the job we should be doing. but that's true throughout our whole governmental society. we have so many things we have to do better, lester, and certainly cyber is one of them. >> secretary clinton? >> i think there are a number of issues that we should be addressing. i have put forth a plan to defeat isis. it does involve going after them online. i think we need to do much more with our tech companies to prevent isis and their operatives from being able to
use the internet to radicalize, even direct people in our country and europe and elsewhere. but we also have to intensify our air strikes against isis and eventually support our arab and kurdish partners to be able to actually take out isis in raqqah in their claim of being a caliphate. we're making progress. our military is assisting in iraq and we're hoping that within the year we'll be able to push isis out of iraq and then you know really squeeze them in syria. but we have to be cog nigh zant of the fact that they've had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons. so we have to make this the top priority. and i would also do everything possible to take out their leadership. i was involved in a number of efforts to take out al qaeda
leadership when i was secretary of state, including of course taking out bin laden and i think we need to go after baghdadi as well. make that our organizing principle. we've got to defeat isis and do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online. >> we think of isis certainly as over there. but there are american citizens who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on american soil, the latest events the bombings in new york and new jersey, the knife attack at a mall, and last year the deadly attacks in san bernardino and orlando. how would you prevent home grown attacks by american citizens. mr. trump? >> first i have to say one thing, very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. we will take out isis. well, president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq because they got out.
they shouldn't have been in but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. and isis was formed. she's been doing it a long time. she's been trying to take them out for a long time. but they wouldn't have even been formed if they left some troops behind like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. and then you wouldn't have had them. or as i've been saying for a long time and i think you'll agree because i said it to you once. had we taken the oil -- we should have taken the oil -- isis would not have been able to form either because the oil was their primary source of income. now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil, a lot of the oil in libya, another one of her disasters. >> secretary clinton. >> i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is proved over and over again. >> wrong. >> he actually advocated for the
actions that we took in libya and urged that gaddafi be taken out after doing some business with him one time. but the larger point, he says this constantly, is george w. bush made the agreement about when american troops would leave iraq, not barack obama. and the only way that american troops could have stayed in iraq is to get an agreement from the then iraqi government that would have protected our troops. and the iraqi government would not give that. but let's talk about the question you asked, lester. the question you asked is what do we do here in the united states. that's the most important part of this. how do we present attacks. how do we protect our people. i think we've got to have an intelligence surge where we're looking for every scrap of information. i was so proud of law enforcement in new york, in
minnesota, in new jersey, you know, they responded so quickly, so professionally to the attacks that occurred by rahami. and they brought him down. and we may find out more information because he is still alive, which may prove to be an intelligence benefit. so we've got to do everything we can to vacuum up intelligence from europe, from the middle east. that means we've got to work more closely with our allies. and that's something that donald has been very dismissive of. we're working with nato, the longest military alliance in the history of the world to really turn our attention to terrorism. we're working with our friends in the middle east, many of which, as you know, are muslim majority nations. donltd has insulted the muslims abroad, the muslims at home when we need to be communicatesing with the muslim community.
they're on the front lines. they can provide information to us that we may not get anywhere else. they need to have close working cooperation with law enforcement in these communities, not be alienated and pushed away as some of donald's rhetoric unfortunately has led to. >> mr. -- >> i have to respond. >> please, respond. >> the secretary said very strongly about working with -- we've been working with them for many years and we have the greatest mess anyone has ever seen. you look at the middle east, it's a total mess, under your direction to a large extent. you look at the middle east. you started the iran deal. that's another beauty where you had a country that was ready to fall they were doing so badly, choking on the sanctions and now they're doing to be a major power the way they're going. when you look at nato i was asked on a major show, what do you think of nato. you have to understand i'm a business person. did really well but i have
common sense. i said i haven't given lots of thought to nato but two things. the 28 countries of nato, many aren't paying their fair share and that bothers me. we're defending them and they should be paying us what they're supposed to be paying by treaty and contract. and number two i said, and very strongly, nato could be obsolete because -- and i was very strong on this. it was actually covered were accurate will in the "the new york times" which is unusual for the "the new york times" to be honest. but i said they do not focus on terror. and i was very strong. and i said it numerous times. and about four months ago i read on the front page of "the wall street journal" that nato is opening up a major terror division and i think that's great. and i think we should get, because we pay approximately 37% of the cost of nato, a lot of money, to protect other people. but i'm all for nato. but i said they have to focus on terror also. and they're going to do that.
believe me, you're not going to get credit for it but that was largely because of what i was saying and my criticism of nato. i think we have to get nato to go into the middle east with us and we have to knock the hell out of isis and we have to do it fast. when isis formed in this vacuum created by barack obama and secretary clinton -- they couldn't believe it. they sat back and said -- >> lester, we've covered this ground. >> wait a minute. when they formed, this is something that never should have happened. it should have never happened. you're talking about taking out isis. but you with there and you were secretary of state when it was a little infant. now it's in over 30 countries and you're going to stop them? i don't think so. >> mr. trump, a lot of these are judgment questions. you had supported the war in iraq before the invasion. what makes your -- >> i did not support the war in
iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly, i think the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. >> my question is -- >> would you like to hear? i was against -- wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. >> the record shows otherwise. why is your judgment any --. >> the record shows that i'm right. when i did an interview with howard stern very lightly, first i'm anyone has asked me that i said very lightly, i don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially. i then did an interview with kneel cavuto, we talked about the economy is more important, and i think spoke with sean hannity, everybody refuse to call sean hannity. i had numerous conversations with sean hannity at fox and sean hannity said -- i he called me the other day. he said you were totally against the war. >> why is your judgment better -- >> excuse me. that was before the war started.
sean hannity said very trongly to me and other people, he's willing to say it but nojob wan to call it. sean was in favor of the war. and i understand that side also, not very much because we should have never been there. but nobody calls sean hannity. and then they did an article in a major magazine shortly after the war started, i think in '04 but they did an article which had he totally glens the war in iraq. one of your compatriots said whether it was before or after trump was definitely -- because if you read this article, there's no doubt. if somebody would call up sean hannity, this was before the war started, he and i arguments about the war. i said it's a terrible stupid thing, it's going to destabilize the middle east and that's what it has done. >> my reference was what you said in 2002. >> you didn't hear what i said. >> my question is why is your
judgment any different than mrs. clinton? >> i have much better judgment than she does. i also have a much better temperament than she has. she spent -- let me tell you. she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising -- you know, they get madison avenue into a room. i think my strongest asset maybe by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. >> secretary clinton? >> the cio the owe day behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> woo! okay. let's talk about two important issues that were briefly mentioned by donald. first, nato. you know, nato as a military
alliance has something called article five and basically it says this. an attack on one is an attack on all. and do you know the only time it's ever been invoked? after 9/11 when the 28 nations of nato said that they would go to afghanistan with us to fight terrorism. something that they still are doing by our side. with respect to iran, when i became secretary of state, iran was weeks away from having enough nuclear material to form a bomb. they had masters the nuclear fuel cycle, they had built covert facilities, stocked them with centrifuges that were whirling away and we had sanctioned them -- i voted for every sanction against iran when i was in the senate but it wasn't enough. so i spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included russia and china
to impose the toughest sanctions on iran. and we did drive them to the negotiating table. and my success are, john kerry and president obama got a deal that put a lid on iran's nuclear program. without firing a single shot. that's diplomacy. that's coalition building. that's working with other nations. the other day i saw donald saying that there were some iranian sailors in a ship off of the waters of iran and they were taunting american sailors who were on a nearby ship. he said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, i'd blow them out of the water and start another war. >> that would not start a war. >> that is not the right judgment, not the right temperament to be commander in chief. to be taunted. and the worst part --. they were taunting us. >> -- has been about nuclear weapons. he's said repeatedly that he
didn't care if other nations got nuclear weapons, japan, south korea, even saudi arabia. it has been the policy of the united states, democrats and republicans, to do everything we could to reduce the proliferation of nuclear weapons. he even said if there was a nuclear war in east asia, well, you know, that's fine. >> wrong. >> have a good time folks. and in fact his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling. that is the number one threat we face in the world and it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material. so a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear code as far as i think anyone with any sense about this should be concerned. >> it's getting a little bit old, i must say. >> it's a good one though. well-described, the problem. >> not an accurate one at all.
not an accurate one. so i want to give a lot of things -- just to respond. i agree with her on one thing. the single greatest problem the world has is nuclear armorment, nuclear weapons. not global warming like you think and your president thinks. nuclear is the single greatest threat. just to go down the list, we defend japan, we defend germany, south korea, saudi arabia. we defend countries. they do not pay us what we should be paid because we defend. we're losing a fortune. we lose on everything. all i said is that it's very possible that if they don't pay a fair share -- because there isn't 40 years ago where we could do what we're doing. we can't defend japan, a behemoth selling us cars by the minute. >> we need to move on.
>> it's very important. all i said is they may have to defend themselves or help us out. as far as the nuclear is concerned, i agree. it is the single greatest threat that this country has. >> which leads my next request as we enter our last segment. on nuclear weapons president obama reportedly considered changing the nation's long standing policy on first use. do you support the current policy? mr. trump, you have two minutes on this. >> i have to say you know for what secretary clinton was saying about nuclear with russia, she's very cavalier about the way she talks about various countries. but russia has been expanding. they have a much newer capability th capability than we do. we have not been updating. i looked the other night. i was sees b-52s that are old enough your grandfather could be flying them. we are not keeping up with other
countries. i would like for everybody to end it, get rid of it but i certainly would not go for a strike. once the nuclear alternative happens. it's over. at the same time we have to be prepared. i can't take anything off the table. because you look at some of these countries, you look at north korea. we're doing nothing there. china should solve that problem for us. china should go into north korea. china is powerful as it relates to north korea. another one powerful is the worst deal that i've ever seen negotiated that you started is the iran deal. iran has power over north korea. when they made that horrible deal with iran, they should have included the fact that they do something with respect to north korea. and they should have done something with respect to yemen and all of these other places. when asked to secretary kerry why didn't you do that, why didn't you add other things into
the deal. one of the great giveaways of all time, of all time, including $400 million in cash -- nobody has ever seen that before. that turned out to be wrong. it was $1.7 billion in cash. obviously i guess for the hostages it certainly looks that way. so you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal. this is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. the deal with iran will lead to nuclear problems. all they have to do is sit back ten years and they don't have to do much and they're going to end up getting nuclear -- i met with netanyahu the other day. believe me, he is not a happy camper. >> secretary clinton, you have two minutes. >> let me start by saying words matter. words matter when you run for president and they really matter when you are president. and i want to reassure our allies in japan and south korea and elsewhere that we have
mutual defense treaties and we will honor them. it is essential that america's word be good. i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. i have talked with a number of them. but i want to, on behalf of myself and on behalf of a majority of the american people say that, you know, our word is good. it's also important that we look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have other problems with iran. but personally i would rather deal with the other problems having put that lid on their nuclear program than still to be facing that. and donald never tells you what he would do. would he have started a war? would he have bombed iran? if he's going to criticize a
deal that's been very successful in giving us access to iranian facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be. but it's like his plan to defeat isis. he said it's a secret plan but the only secret is that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise in how we talk about these issues. people around the world follow or presidential campaigns so closely trying to get hints about what we will do. can they rely on us. are we going to lead the world with strength and in accordance with our values. that's what i intend to do. i intend to be a leader of our country that people can count on both here at home and around the world, to make decisions that will further peace and prosperity but also stand up to bullies, whether they're abroad or at home. we cannot let those who would try to destabilize the world to
interfere with american interests and security -- >> your two minutes is -- >> -- given me opportunity at all. >> lester one thing i would like to say. >> very quickly. ten seconds. >> i will tell you that hillary will tell you to go to her website and read all about how to defeat isis which she could have defeated by not having it get going in the first place. right now it's tougher and tougher to defeat them because they're in more and more places were more and more states and more and more nations. and it's a big problem. >> mr. trump -- >> as far as japan is concerned, i want to help all of our allies. we're losing billions of dollars. we cannot be the policemen of the world. we cannot protect countries all over the world -- >> we have just a few final questions. >> she doesn't say that. she doesn't have business ability. and sadly she doesn't have that. all of the things that she's talking about could have been
taken care of during the last ten years while she had great power but they weren't taken care of. and if she wins this lace, they won't be taken care of. >> secretary clinton became the first woman to be nominated for president. you said she doesn't have a presidential look. what do you mean by that? >> i said he doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. i don't believe she has the stamina. to be president of the country you need tremendous stamina. >> the equip was i don't think she has the presidential look. >> did you ask me a question? you have to be able to negotiate our trade deals. you have to be able to negotiate, that's right, with japan, with saudi arabia. can you imagine we're defending saudi arabia and with all of the money we have we're defending them. you have so many different
things you have to be able to do and i don't believe hillary has the stamina. >> let's let her respond. >> well, as soon as he travel to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, an opening of new opportunities in the nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina. >> hillary has experience but it's bad experience. swe have made so many bad deals. she's got experience, that agree, but it's bad, bad experience. whether it's the iran deal that you're so in love with where we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the iran deal, whether it's anything you -- you almost can't name a good deal. i agree she's got experience but
it's bad experience. and this country can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. >> we are at the final question -- >> one thing. >> very quickly. >> he tried to switch from look to stamina. but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers -- >> i never said. >> who have said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good of a job as men. and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest, he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. donald she has a name. her name -- >> where did you find this?
>> she has become a u.s. citizen. >> oh really? >> you can bet she's going to vote this november. >> okay. good. let me just tell you -- >> mr. trump ten seconds and then the final question. >> hillary is hitting me with tremendous questions. some of it is entertainment, somebody who is been very vicious to me, rosie o'donnell. i said tough things to her and i think everybody would agree she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. you want to know the truth. i was going to say something -- >> please, very quickly. >> -- extremely rough to hillary and to her family and i said to myself, i can't do it. i just can't do it. it's inappropriate. it's not nice. but she's spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. they're untrue and they're misrepresentations andly tell you this, lester, it's not nice and i don't deserve that. but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done.
hundreds of millions of ads. and the only gratifying thing is, i saw the polls come in today and with all of that money, over $200 million are spent and i'm either winning or tied and i have spent practically nothing. >> one of you will not win the election. my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters? secretary clinton. >> i support our democracy. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. but i certainly will support the outcome of this election. and i know donald is trying very hard to plant doubts about it. but i hope the people out there understand, this election is really up to you. it's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kind of country and future you want. so i sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it because i think it does. >> mr. trump, same question. will you accept the outcome as
the will of the voters? >> i want to make america great again. we're losing your jobs. people are pouring into our country. the other day we were deporting 800 people and perhaps they pressed the wrong button or perhaps worse than that it was corruption. but these people we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. ended up becoming citizens. and it was 800 and now it turns out it might be 1800 and they don't know. >> will you accept the outcome of the election? >> i want to make america great again. i'm going to be able to do it. i don't believe hillary will. the answer is if she wins i will absolutely support her. >> that is going to do it for us. that concludes our debate this evening, a spirited one. we covered a lot of ground, not everything. the next presidential debates are scheduled for october 9th at washington university in st. louis and october 19th at the university of nevada, las vegas. a reminder, the vice
presidential debate is scheduled for october 4th at long wood university in farmville, virginia. my thanks to hill clinic and to donald trump and to hofstra university for hosting us tonight. good night, everyone. donald trump and hillary clinton, 90 minutes, we were told maybe it would start slow. maybe it would start boring. it didn't. it was fiery from the start. and throughout. hillary clinton obviously practiced a number of her lines that she deployed throughout the night, a lot of time spent at the first part of the debate talking about trade. and donald trump hitting hillary clinton on the trade deals. there you see former president bill clinton shaking hands, and chelsea clinton. hillary clinton said that she
tpp, the transpacific partnership was the gold standard. she said she hoped it would be. the fact checkers say that she did say that it was the gold standard as she was pitching that trade deal. the fact checking was a big part of this debate tonight. lester holt fact checked donald trump real-time numerous times. a couple of times, megyn, to hillary clinton. but this was a fiery debate from the start. >> you know, brett, before the debate began hillary clinton spokesperson communications director told fox news, including you, that she just didn't know if it was worth it, wasn't worth it to really press him and go there and try to draw him out. i think it's fair to say we were misled. this is clearly hillary clinton on the attack, issue after issue after issue. and for most of the night donald trump was on defense defending the claims on birtherism,
defending his taxes and said almost nothing about the e-mail controversy which is one of the things the political pundits have said have driven down her numbers to the point where she lost a 10, 7-point lead in the course of a month. one of the many things that's been held against her in this election. she said maybe three lines about it tonight. a stunning line where you could hear audible gasps in the auditorium when he said he did president obama a favor by demad demanding that he release the birth certificate. but toward the end they rounded back to trump open women. there's a serious gender gap in the polls right now with hillary clinton outranking donald trump some 15 points when it comes to women and he has the reverse imagine when it comes to men. a couple of moments there you could hear the crowd bursting out in cheers which was
stunning. but that debate did not want for electric moments. that's for sure. >> that's exactly right. we also have to look at the context here. donald trump walks on this stage and automatically is legitimized in this moment. he is the challenger. he is the anti-establishment figure which is why he kept on saying numerous times that she has experience but it's not the right kind of experience. and that does resonate, we've seen in the polls that this is supposed to be a change election but many voters are just deciding whether they can change to donald trump. the question tonight, as we bring in our panel, is whether he got over the bar of commander in chief. dana? >> well i think that it was one of those nights, it was like wow, people thought 90 minute was too long. i think it went by very fast. initially people thought because hillary clinton has health problems or recently had
pneumonia that being up there 90 minutes would be difficult for her, might not be able to get through it without coughing. she was on the attack. i think donald trump was on his heels for a lot of it. he had some good lines. he was able to remind people that he is the out-party candidate. if you want change, this is the person that could deliver it. he was effective when he talked about her being there for 30 years and not being able to make any of the changes. when he talked about the transpacific partnership deal, he had a good line on that. but other than that i think that the point about -- one point on the war, she spent aa little bit of time talking about whether donald trump supported the iraq war or not. he went on a long defense about that. i've always believed that donald trump didn't need to do that. he wasn't the one in the room with classified information who was briefed and had to make a decision. he spent eight minute on it in
this debate and that wasn't time well spent. >> it seems that trump got off to a good start. he dominated the stage for the first 10 or 15 minutes of the debate. he was the old donald trump, the donald trump of the primary debates, very aggressive, very tough on his opponent. but thereafter he ran into trouble on two issues. first on the birther issue, certainly one. he had a very hard time with that and a hard time in dealing with the question about his tax returns. i think a lot of people listening carefully might not find his answers too convinces. for most of the debate what the audience saw were the faces of the two candidates. the question for pooh the people are what did they think of the two faces that they saw when the candidates were not talking. the trump expression is one we're all familiar with from the debates. he looked annoyed, put out,
uncomfortable and she looked, i think, for the most part, she looked composed, smug sometimes, not necessarily attractive. i think a lot will turn on to the faces they saw on the screen side by side tonight. we'll have to wait to see how that turns out. >> you're looking live right now and donald trump we're told is going to go to an interview with sean hannity. he referenced sean hannity numerous times in this debate. said somebody should call him. well somebody did. she's going that talk to sean hannity in a moment. we're going to dip into that in a minute. >> this is one of those moments where there's some clarity. because as you've heard, there's no question donald trump is on the defensive. now let's be fair to donald trump in terms of the analysis, because i'm sure he will go after pundits like all of us in the mainstream media and the like. he did hit some shots when it
came to putting hillary clinton in the box with president obama over the trade deal, the tpp. he was very clear about the negative impact of overregulation of business in the country. at those motions you thought he's making inroads. when it came to the e-mail issue again, i expected -- here's an opening. donald trump the boxer is off the ropes, he's on the offensive. he never picked it up. never was able to exploit that issue for maximum impact against hillary clinton and make some inroads -- >> the cybersecurity question was kind of like sort of a softball that one would think he was going to go to the e-mails. they only talked about e-mails very briefly and they didn't talk about immigration at all. >> he had one good line where he said it was more than a mistake. that was done purposefully. you had five people given immunity deals as a result of your so-called mistake, which brought it home.
but there was a lot of time that he was given to exploit the issue which has been a major issue in the campaign and it went unused. he went back to the taxes and playing defense on that. we've got trump speaking to our own sean hannity. we'll see if he speak to the journalists in the room after that. let's listen. >> how much do you think would come back overseas, how many jobs created. >> $2.5 trillion. she's been talking for years but nothing gets done. it's all talk. i think i brought that out pretty well. >> 30 years she's been there. that was a big point. what about the fact she said -- you said go to her website. she's going to raise taxes. >> go to my website and learn how to defeat isis. >> and buy her book. >> how to defeat isis on a website. that's not the way to defeat isis believe me. how would general patton feel about that
? >> there was a moment in the second part of the debate and they started talking about race and you said she used the word super predator. >> she's a very dishonest person. she took and used the word super predator at young black men, and i think it's a terrible term and they don't like it. i mean people, i guess, maybe they forget, maybe they don't forget but i did want to bring it up. >> foreign policy, a big part of this debate. iran, iraq, syria, afghanistan and her role. >> you know and i know she's been a disaster. as you know i used your name today you and i used to argue over the war. >> do you know how many times we had conversations about that? and you told me i was wrong in fairness. you did tell me over and over again i was wrong. and we had passion. but it was a respectful debate. >> it was respectful but i
understood where you were coming from. i thought it would destabilize the middle east. i didn't know it would be managed so poorly. but i felt it was something that had to be discussed because i was against the war in iraq. >> let me ask you one other question. the whole issue of the birther controversy there was the mark penn memo that came out, sidney blumenthal issue, a woman who worked if texas for her and then she acts like she had nothing to do with it. >> she had a lot to do with it, you know it, she knows it and her campaign knows and now the world knows it. >> last point. at the end of the debate she tried to attack you as sexist. what is your response to that? >> i didn't want to say her husband was in the room along with her daughter, what i think is a very nice young lady and i didn't want to say what i was going to say about what's been going on in their luf. so i decided not to say it. i thought it would be very disrespectful to chelsea and maybe to the family. but she said very bad thing
about me. she's taking these phony ads, spending hundreds of millions of dollars on phony adds and it's a disgrace. >> about her and her, and her differences. what do you take out of this ne debate? >> she's never going to make america great again. it's more talk. she talks like she's going she talks about she's going to do child care and this and that. 26 years, nudge of these things have happened. now, all of a sudden, they're going to happen? not going to happen. >> mr. trump, thank you. >> thank you. >> and sean hannity speaking to donald trump moments after the debate which is something we've seen from trump in the past, coming to the spin room, but i don't think i've ever seen, with one of the candidates and making themselves available. and hillary clinton went 258 day was out speaking to a single reporter. some might argue it's
refreshing. >> i think on social media, we saw the number one issue on facebook is taxes, that is kind of interesting because the beginning of the debate dealt with that. the number one issue on twitter was the economy. and trump is often the center of conversation on social media. the back and forth, at times, hillary clinton kept on coming back to her experience z -- and he kept on hitting she's been there 30 years. i think there is something to, over time, making a case why she's going to be commander in chief. did she do it tonight? that is the question. >> that is the thing. she didn't slice and dice. she was on attack the entire time. a lot of the reaction on twitter was, make a case for people to vote for you. and here and there, she did, but it was largely offensive and
trump was largely defensive in this debate. you can almost feel his advisors sitting him down and telling him you don't have to do that. just because she comes after you doesn't mean you have to respond. he went after how her campaign did participate in the birtherism lie to some extent and she didn't really deny it. but there is plenty of blame to go around. and donald trump is a first time ever, he's gone one on one in a presidential debate. this is her, i think, 15th time. >> more coming up from hofstra on special coverage live from new york continues right after this quick break.
back to our special coverage of the presidential debate. as you look a at the stage ther, the families have left, the candidates have left. and we bring in laura ingraham. your impressions? >> yes, hillary clinton was ready for attack. she was ready for one liners. in the first 20 minutes there was good moments for hillary. i think, however, in the end this debate, this conversation tonight is still about what are the policies implemented in the past eight years have really worked. are we stronger? or weaker? is america on the rise or is america on the decline? trump stuck to those things but i do think he left some opportunities on the table. especially that moment when they were asked about cyber security. i kept getting texts saying he better mention the private e-mail server.
comey said her private e-mail server wasn't as secure as g maim. but i think under the leadership of barack obama our recovery and economy had not been as strong as it needed to be but hillary clinton about did her home work coming into this debate tonight. >> what do you think about the fact that there weren't any questions asked about the cli clinton foundation? >> lester holt, i always liked him, but do you notice he kept interrupting trump, rarely interrupted hillary clinton. nothing on the clinton foundation. nothing on the pay to play. nothing on saudi arabia. nothing on the russia-uranium deal. none of that was mentioned and
nothing on benghazi. maybe that will come in later debates but i thought that was disappointing from lester holt and it was surprising because you know, i've known him throughout the years but i think that was on were yous to the audience. hillary got a lot more play and that is why i think you saw trump saying no. that is not accurate. no. that is not right. >> laura, thank you. at this race, megyn is very tight. all of the polls within margin of error. nationally, you see state polls getting close. did tonight change peoples' minds? did donald trump get over that bar of commander in chief? >> how is it all after tonight's performance, changed what we see from other candidates going forward? we'll get a taste of that in just a moment as they come out to the spin room here and try to spin all of us on how they did.
been a pleasure. >> number one. it's been a pleasure. one week from tomorrow, megyn and i will be back for special coveragehe first and only vice presidential debate. good night. here comes megyn. ♪ the time has come for a wall a tremendous wall the best wall the tecate beer wall a wall that brings us together
breaking tonight, a history making showdown. 15 months in the making. hillary clinton versus donald trump in the highly anticipated first presidential debate. it appears nothing was off limits. welcome to a live 11:00 p.m. edition of the kelly file, everyone. reporting live from the spin room at hofstra university. now, the candidates and supporters are trying to spin the narrative. interestingly it was hillary clinton who struck first, hitting donald trump on his privileged past and from there, things went down hill, quickly. much of the debate was not necessarily focused on policy, but politics of personal disruption. when it was over,