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navigating through his life. i play coach russo, a debate coach. very colorful lady. >> check it out. it opens tomorrow. you have to see it. >> great to see you again. >> god bless you. thank you for sharing. bill: . risky strategy after the debate monday night? melissa: donald trump saying he should be getting more credit for keeping quiet on bill clinton's infidelity. his surrogates not holding their tongues. >> at the end of the debate after she tried to rough him up over comments he made over 25 years or so about women.
he said i could say some things but i won't because your family is here. >> her being an enabler in the 90s attacking these women, it goes against what she is trying to spout now. >> politico. republicans to trump, keep lewinsky out of it. reporter: it would be a risky strategy because there are a dozen or more ways it could come down to bite. but if hillary clinton comes down that road, donald trump won't likely sit back and take it. he admitted that began to get under his skin. on the campaign trail in the midwest in iowa where trump
leads by 5 points, and wisconsin where he trails hillary clinton by 5 points trying some new lines of attack, reminding voters about the scandals that occurred during the white house years in the 1990s, encouraging voters to follow the money. >> never in american history have so many serious challenges been met with so unserious a campaign as the campaign of hillary clinton. the only people hillary clinton ever fights for are the special interests who write checks for her. follow the money. reporter: trump still talking about alicia ma chad oh who he was asked about during the debate monday, telling bill
o'reilly during that time period when she gained weight, he was interested in saving her. i saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. it's a beauty contest. i said don't do that, let her try and lose the weight and i end up in a position like this. reporter: we hear from the campaign donald trump will be better prepared for his debate a week from sunday. it will be a lot about body language in addition to what comes out of the candidate's mouth. >> chris stirewalt. i'll tell you this. orrin hatch said i prefer it did not happen.
i can't say it's out of bounds because she put up with it over and over. jeff sessions says she is a champion of women when she was the organizer of bill clinton's defense? where are you on this? do you go there or not? >> i understand why donald trump wants to muddy the issues. she says you are deplorable, he says you are deplorable because of your husband. we are all gross. sink down to the bottom of the pond and say no one here is clean on any of these issues and it's all unfortunate. you can do that and that would try to limit hillary clinton's high ground advantage. but in the end, she is a woman whose husband was unfaithful to her, and donald trump is a guy. and i think regardless of how gender roles have changed in america the last 20 years, there
is still more status in that. bill: chelsea clinton, cosmo magazine, it's gone to that. it's a distraction to his inability to talk about what's at stake in this election. is it a distraction or does it go to the issue of character? >> hillary clinton hoped probably the number one issue to come out of the debate was this, about the pageant and miss piggy and all of that jazz. but the next issue for her up in the order is his tax returns. it's not like the clinton campaign is exactly focused on policy. they are all about character and impeaching him as a credible
person to be president of the united states and have the nuclear codes. really they are just focusing con donald trump, not substance. bill: this is the question from the trump team. secretary clinton, how can you claim not to be influenced by donations to the clinton foundation that lobbied the state department when you were secretary of state. i imagine that's fair game. >> this is a primo issue, the best issue they can use to attack hillary clinton. but rather about all of this money that float through this foundation. how has it benefited who and how is it spent. this continues to be a rich vein
for the campaign to mine rather than talking about sex. melissa: congress overturning president obama on the 9/11 victims bill. overriding his veto to allow the families to sue saudi arabia. the president says it was purely political. >> i wish congress here had done what's hard. i didn't expect it because voting -- if you are perceived as voting against 9/11 families right before an election, not surprisingly that's a hard vote for people to take. but it would have been the right thing to do. melissa: ed henry is live in washington. what is behind this huge margin that it passed. >> the president makes a good
point that right before an election it's hard to vote against the 9/11 families. the families say they will now get some measure of justice. it will create an exception to current u.s. law that opens the door to lawsuits. specifically targeting saudi arabia that denied any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. the 9/11 commission did leave the door open that some saudi officials played a role. the new york congressman peter king brushed that off. >> over the president's presides objections i believe were addressed, changes were made, and this bill will not put american soldiers or diplomats at risk. what it's going to do, it will finally allow the 9/11 families to have their day in court.
saudi officials already scrambling saying they may sell off hundreds of billions in assets they have on u.s. soil. melissa: we'll see about that. the president lashing out at congress. what is behind all of that anger. he's mad. reporter: part of it is he has his former secretary of state hillary clinton opposing him. senator schumer dead the president is dead wrong. so they are fired up because they insist it sets an awful precedence. >> some people who voted for it said frankly we didn't know what was in it. there was no debate on it. and it was basically a political vote. i understand that. but you know, my job as commander-in-chief is to make sure we are looking ahead at how
this is going to impact our overall mission. >> i just spoke privately with one of the biggest supporters of this mission. he says congress did not even read this. it's a sign of how much anger is built up over this. melissa: when they say they didn't right, that's never an excuse in washington. reporter: where have we heard that before. bill: we'll hear reaction from both sides, the mother of this man, mark bingham, mark was one of the heroic passengers who fought back. former a.g. michael mull casey is in studio. he's behind the bill and will join us live next. melissa: a night of protest
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bill: breaking news here at home. a commuter strain crashing in hoboken, new jersey. some of the images we are seeing on social media show heavy damage. also this from yesterday. >> there was communication from cheryl mills that there was a preservation order. >> yes. >> an did use with bleachbit on these records. >> sure. that's why he wouldn't took you us without immunity.
>> when you got immunity, what did you learn. >> we learned nobody directed him too do it. >> you believe did this by himself? >> when you have five immunity agreements and you have witnesses that could be targets sitting in on interviews, that's not the f.b.i.i used to work with. >> this is the fire you know and love, this was done by pros in the right way. >> he welcomes the discussion, but not the find force, suggesting the f.b.i. acted only behalf of politics. south contractual congressman trey gowdy was in the hearing. welcome back here to america's newsroom. we were talking during the break. you said you understand the decision he made though you have dirls agree with it. what part of this decision doyo.
>> i don't agree with any of it. i understand it. that's the curse of being a lawyer, you are able to understand the other side's argument. i just specifically disagree with it. he thinks there is a intent element and i disagree with it. bill: he said there are classified emails on cheryl mills' computer but he wouldn't say whether or not that was a crime necessary looked at the case more in-depth. how do you look at the case when you give someone immunity? >> the immunity agreements are troubling. there are five of them. first they said they gave immunity for production of the laptops. laptops don't go to prison, people do. cheryl mills did have classified
information on her computer. no one hop extent classified information was prosecuted. no one hole testified classified information was prosecuted. no one who destroyed federal records was prosecuted. out of all of this. five immunity agreements and an unusual investigation about fashion stall security matters with hundreds of classified emails, not one single person is going to face a legal consequence. bill: that means the case is dead in the water. >> it's dead in the water other than what i have said in the past. there are multiple groups who provide oversight. on november 8, the real jury gets to weigh in. if they think this department of justice has been politicized. they are welcome to replace it with another department of
justice. bill: he said for months now no prosecutor would go ahead with this case. >> i heard from five yesterday who disagreed with him. bill: understood. his position is you can't get some sort of guilty verdict based on the evidence that he has. how is it that he can see it that way and folks like yourself and four others that you just mentioned, what accounts for this split decision when you have got a private server, as secretary of state in the basement of your home? >> i asked him yesterday, tell me what would you have needed to be able to make a prosecution. tell me what was looking. and he said a consciousness of wrongdoing. a consciousness that the act being committed was unlawful. and my response to that is you
neferl have anybody admit i know this is wrong and i'm going to do it anyway. you have to prove it by circumstantial evidence. such as the destruction of evidence, the serial lying about what you have done. that's some of the best evidence a prosecutor will ever get about the consciousness of guilt of a subject. did you lie by the. did you lie birth even when you didn't have to lie by the, and did you destroy documents, all of which exist in this case. let's assume he's right. you still could prove it through circumstantial evidence. he says he couldn't. there are five prosecutors on the judicious committee. we -- on the judicial committee. and he said he hopes when this political season ends, it's not about politics to me. it's about whether you can respect an entity that's supposed to be above politics, and that would be the department
of justice. bill: we have breaking news. melissa: reports of a commuter train crashing into a railway station in new jersey. the number of injuries is unclear at this time. but images show heavy damage. we have new images coming into our newsroom showing some of what is left. we'll bring you an update.
a transit station and there are a number of injuries. how serious we cannot say and how many we do not know. but the images show a lot of damage. there are suggestions perhaps the terminal was hit. if that's the case, was it an issue of speed or distraction or failure to apply the brakes. a train crashed at that station and officials from local police, fire, right now they have all responded to the scene, transit from new jersey as well. a lot of these commuter posting pictures on social media that show apparently some sort of roof collapse. whether that was a result of the collision or something that happened before it's too early to know. melissa: people on the scene are taking pictures of what they are seeing in front of them and --
and posting them on twitter saying essentially i'd did not stop and went into the reception area. others say the train came into the station and it just didn't stop, it kept going. we are reading they are sending buses to the area because of course this train route is closed in both direction. so they are scrambling buses to the area to move people out of there. we do not know what injuries there are, how many were sustained. bill: this is morning commute. you can imagine how the crowded the train could be possibly with how many men and women come into the city and use that train stop to get on to another train that cakes you under the hudson river. there are probably tens of thousands that take this commuter route. this transit station. one train will come in from the
top and stop and oftentimes commuters get off. if they stay local, they stay local. a great majority would get off and board the path train. >> we can't confirm which direction this train was going. also them saying it went into the office behind. we don't know who was in that office. it apparently happened between 8:30 and 9:00 in the morning which is a prime time for that station. definitely a very busy time. >> radio station wfan, one of their and i koarts is telling his radio folks that the train quote went right through the barriers and into the reception area end quote. as you point out, was it a mechanical malfunction, a
distraction on behalf of the driver of that train? what could cause something like this. >> that is what the witnesses are twitter are saying it didn't slow down. it didn't seem like it knew it was coming into the station. other people tweeting, i was on the train but i'm okay. it's all good. people are trying to figure out where to go from there. images showing heavy damage. but the number of injuries still unclear. all past service at hoboken station is suspended. but just confirming that right now. bill: there have been multiple incidents when you look at rail lines outside the city that killed people at times and injured many others. and what caused something like this is wow, it's a question
that you have to wonder about because the morning commute and something like that is so significant and so important. there has been no suggestion there has been any issues with the transit line. but this is something that we need to figure out and soon. that's the lackawanna entrance that's currently closed. more commuters can continue to travel into the city and up and count west side of manhattan. but the train crash in that area will slow down a lot of people trying to get around. if there were injuries. what is the extent of them and hopefully there is no loss of life. >> somebody tweeting my train just derailed and crashed into the hoboken station. but please pray for the rest. one of the witnesses who says they were on the train at the time. look at cbs new york, train collides with the wall at the
station. you can see many, many different pictures from different angles and they all look like a significant amount of damage was done there. bill: these trains don't have seat belts, that's rather common. so if you are on board a train like this and come into a station with the force that appears based on these i am ands you could get a lot of movement inside that car based on the number of people inside and what defense they would have. it's defenseless for so many. melissa: the main thoroughfare, they are trying to move people out. bill: it's -- 9:30 in new york. this ways we believe we know at this point. new jersey transit station on the new jersey side of the hud somebody river. that's an area where you will
take trains in from different parts of the state of new jersey and often transfer and take another train that comes into new york. there will be tens of thousands of people who take a similar route every day monday through friday. how many people were involved there at this time we don't know. but you can manage this was a packed moment. perhaps not the peak time for commuters, but close to it. melissa: john roberts reminded me that this was the end of the line. bill: if you are a conductor of a train, this is a point where you can go no further. this is the end of the line. we have rick leventhal in the room. it doesn't take long to get over to this stop. once we get rick on the line, we'll talk to him. melissa: new jersey transit
saying bus and private carriers are honoring new jersey transit rail passes and tickets. they are trying to move people out of this area which is always a major problem when you are trying to get emergency views out of this area and to the scene. understandably so many people are concerned and trying figure out what to do and where to go next. they will accept the tickets from the train to get on bus so emergency crews can get in and clear it out. bill: we have a live picture of what seems to be the gathering area outside the transit pictures. there are dozens if not hundreds of people. if you look at the damage in some of these images in was force and impact.
you do not get this when you are breaking towards a place to stop. >> one of the first pictures we saw, you can see the train crash into the building. the ceiling about of collapsing. the way the wall is bent. you can tell the speed and force the train had to have. it wasn't sliding to the side and trying to break. it came in with a lot of speed and a lot of force. >> when you talk about some of the conductors of these trains twhribles no way of knowing the following. there have been cases we know and have verified the past couple years where the driver of that train was distracted by a text message or something perhaps on a smart phone. there is no way to make that connection. but that could be a starting point in at least one of the
questions we'll get to the folks there. rick leventhal on his way. how close are you to the transit station? >> we are blocks away. we have fire trucks and rescue service vehicles head towards the scene. police officers in hoboken have closed off many of the blocks around the train station. so it's difficult for us to get up to the scene. we are still trying to get there to get more information and possibly talk to anyone who was on that train to find out what happened this morning when the train crashed into the terminal. we are hearing at least two dozen injuries. the transit and path rail service. people were on street corners waiting for buses. bill: you know that train station, a lot of folks coming in and out of new jersey and manhattan will make a stop there. for many of us coming out of
manhattan, that's where we change trains. if there is an upper-level and lower level, it can get very crowded. >> we are now local media there may be as many as 100 injuries. if this train was packed and the station was packed. that sounds hard to believe. you have walls collapsing. with passengers on that train standing up waiting to get off the train and getting thrown around. it sounds like this was a significant number of injuries. bill: a.p. says it appears the train went through the bumper stop at the ends of the track. there is only one way to do that, and that is excessive speed. reporter: anyone on the train
knows there are systems in the place to prevent trains from going too far. it appears that clearly what happened here. the train was going fast. and wasn't able to stop in time. bill: do you have an idea how much closer you can get or was there already a per rim material in place. >> we saw numerous -- perimeter in place. bill: the train came through the door of the indear waiting area and the platform. that could have more people affected if they were in the waiting area. melissa: rick, as you get closer, what are you seeing?
reporter: many of the streets seem calm. but wherever there is a bus stop, long lines of people waiting to get on buses. they are saying the train can't handle. hoboken is a major commuter town. people live here and work in city and they need to get there. we are seeing a lot of police and ambulances. there is an officer at the next intersection waving traffic and not allowing us that final block. we'll try to talk our way in. bill: come back when you can. melissa: transit saying the new york waterway ferries accepting train tickets and passes as a result of the accident at the hoboken station. they are trying to get people
out of the area. bill: we have russell quinby on the phone, a safety expert. can you explain you're title and area of expertise? >> i run a consulting firm and i was an investigator for the national transportation safety board for 20 years and a railroad employee before that. bill: you know your stuff. >> with a loaning motive at one ends and a control cab at the other. i can't tell, but it looks like it was a control cab coming into hoboken station. bill: which would mean what then possibly? >> the locomotive would be on the other end and the engineer would be operating from looks like a passenger car, but it's a control cab at the far end. and that is the end looked like the was coming east into the
terminal. bill: would this be a mechanical issue or issue of distraction on behalf of an employee, a worker on board that train? what is the range of possibilities? >> you get the full range here. this could be signal or it could be electronic failure. i would say it's most likely a human error. the evening near may have suffered some kinds of heart attack or stroke or something of that nature. at this point it could be anything. >> one more question here. when you account for speed coming into a station like this, and you in all likelihood know the path literally for what this train does every day, what is with the potential for distraction of a human being? >> there is always that potential.
but this -- and that may be one of the human factors causing this. but generally speaking coming into a station, judging by the damage i see coming into the station, it looks to me like he was probably going maybe 10 miles an hour. maybe less. there is a lot of trains weigh a lot and there is a lot of mass and force there. bill: 10 miles an hour will do that? >> yes. melissa: when they come into the station, is it up to the conductor to stop the train and pull the brake? is there any backup systems? are there any sensors. >> primary operators, the engineer themselves. conductor's busy doing other things. if he thought the train was going too fast, a conductor who is back in the train with the
passengers has the option of pulling an emergency brake valve. this looks like a last within the last minute or less -- bill: how would you know that, russell. >> judging by the speed he's coming in, probably 15 miles an hour or less. prepared to stop. and getting prepared to stop. just judging from the damage, it doesn't look like he was probably going in. i understand there is no fatalities, just a lot of injuries. bill: abc is reporting possibly 100 injuries or more. >> you would expect a lot of injuries. but there is no fatalities. that's just people getting -- standing up, getting ready to get off the train and getting knocks off their seats and other people. i would probably say certain probably wasn't going that fast. >> it looks like the pictures
says the train went into the office. are there generally people in there? what would that mean? >> it looks like he went through the pumper post. it's basically the end of the track. then he overrode that up on to the platform and part of the building. martha: would you expect people to be in there in that part of the building he went into? >> i would expect so because you can seal on some of the doors you can see, there was probably not that's people waiting to go out. this is a rush hour coming in. there was probably people in the station. the immediate area. bill: we have this from nbc quote from a witness, i saw a woman pinned under the concrete, end quote. wow! russell, when it consider train safety along the eastern seaboard where we have seen many
of these the past several years, are we getting bert at safety? is the system itself better than it was? have we learned lessons from previous incidents that have taken lives. >> statistically yes. and are things getting better? yes. are things getting safer? yes. that's like telling you it's safer to fly on an airplane than it is to driver down the road. overall to stay yes it is getting safer, and statistically we have fewer injuries and fatalities. but when these things happen, there is obviously room for improvement. >> russell, thank you for your time. we are going to let you go, and we'll bring you back in a couple minutes once you get a better sense of what's happening out there. >> jon just look at different news reports as they are coming
along now reporting right now it looks like eyewitness news is reporting multiple passengers have been trapped at the station. i guess that is the concern of course. the expert we were talking to said rather than the train going full speed that a lay person like ourselves would think. he believes was probably going 10 or 15 miles an hour based on the damage to the building he could see. based on that he did not believe that's people on board would necessarily be that injured. but the concern is people were outside. bill: you look at some of the damage and some of the emergency responders screen left. if you have a train of that size, 10, 15 miles an hour. once you pass that bumper, it's a question time, how much damage do you do before you hit enough physical structures to bring
that train to a stop. we'll get back to like leventhal -- we'll get back to rick leventhal in a moment. he's a few blocks away because the streets are blocked off in hoboken, new jersey. melissa: the expert talked about what happened there based on his experience. this is the end of the line in hoboken. he says it looks like he came in and went through the bumper postal the end of the rail or the end of the line as you would know it. at that point the train jumped up and went over the platform and into the office. the concern would be for anyone that was on that platform or in that office. it's right now -- it was at the time of the crash rush hour so there would be lots of people on
the train. the people inside the train could be quite injured, but that's not what we would be looking for the worst of it. bill: abc news reports more than 100 injured, multiple passengers trapped. if that's the case, we'll wait to see whether the first responders can access them and if they are trapped. how do you get them free. 9:46 in hoboken, new jersey, what commuter train barreling into the train station on the new jersey side of the track during the morning rush hour. no word so far on the extent of the injuries. but there are various reports suggesting there are dozens if not more. rick leventhal on the scene. where are you, what do you see? reporter: we are on washington avenue downtown hoboken.
about two blocks from the scene. and you can see all the first responders, police officers, ambulances, fire trucks down there. the train station is basically ahead of us. you can see a train on the tracks. the station itself is to the left. we are making our way down as close as we can to try to get some information and show you what's happening. bill: have you seen ambulances, rick? >> we saw a couple racing by. the latest report we got from new jersey ems was 100-plus patients that need treatment. and we also heard a report that there may be passengers trapped inside the station because of the ceiling collapse and the condition of the train itself that crashed into the station. bill: there is a building to the
left, sirens in the distance. what are you approaching, describe that for us. reporter: we are approaching -- hang on a second -- we are approaching the train station. and we are just getting our eyes on this for the first time. so we are seeing a lot of fire trucks, a lot of first responders, ambulances. we have got to get down to the left to get closer. i don't see -- you can't see structural damages from where we are yet. we don't know if you can see anything from outside the station yet. my cameraman hollywood says you can see it. we are head over where we can get a better look at it. we have ambulances on the streets. a lot of first responders. bill: the fat across that you are looking at -- reporter: they are preparing to treat people.
what are you looking at? bill: rick, thank you. stand by. this is pretty raw right now. there is a bit of delay from my signal to yours, rick. the foot and we are getting our fox crew appears to show a train in the distance or possibly the roof. but we know this. a lot of foot and we have seen showed photos to the rail car. some of these images on social media show a train that appears to have gone through a bumper at the end of that track into the waiting area where it came to a halt. it simply did not stop. it went right to the barriers and into the reception of the waiting area. melissa: it's worth noting you don't see a lot of cars or a lot
of people coming out. most of that has happened already. police have blocked off the area. that's rick leventhal in the foreground. he's trying to get closer to the scene, you can see him being directed around the edge. so many emergency vehicles have flood into the area. they have blocked off people trying to go in. they are trying to get people out and on. we heard the ferry buses, any kind of local transportation is honoring tickets for anybody who is on their way and can walk away from this accident. but by so many accounts, there are at least 100 injuries, and we are looking to see who may have gotten hurt on the platforms. multiple reports of people being pinned and stuck in the area, and that's what the emergency crews are trying to respond to right now.
bill: nbc reporting no initial signs this crash was terror related or a deliberate act. this is a transit station on the west side of the hudson river on the new jersey side. this is a main spot for commuters work their way, 9:00 in the morning into new york city. this is an area where the train stops, and you get off the train and take some stairs or escalator down to another train that would take you under the hudson into manhattan to work. melissa: we talked to a crash investigator a short while ago, knowing the train, knowing the operations of what may have happened here. of what could have been mechanical error. in a normal circumstance when they are coming into the station it would be the end of the line. the main engine would be the
back. it's a push-pull train. the engineer would have been at the very back of the train and it is generally up to him to pull the brake as he comes in. he estimated based on the look of the damage which looks extensive to regular people like us who look at the damage. you can see collapsed ceilings and walls. the train split. it looks like a lot of damage. he said based on his experience he would guess the train was only going 10-15 miles an hour. but not full speed. that it would have been in the process of slowing down. he said it looks like it went through the bumper postal the very end of the line which would have bent thing that stopped the train and held it over the platform and went into the office that was there on the platform. obviously we would be very concerned for anyone who might have been on the platform or in the office.
there is rick leventhal, it looks like he's looking back at us. reporter: i want to give you one last look at hoboken terminal. i'm told the damages are back inside that building. we can't see it from this vantage point. you can see the ambulances, police cars, they are pushing us that's the last chance we'll see from this vantage point. local police department, state police, and they are pushing the media further back because obviously they have a big job to do in there, guys. melissa: we don't see people leaving from the scene. normally you see people trying to get away and get on with it. reporter: all the people who were in the station that could
have been evacuated have been evacuated. they were taken out. we saw tape like this, yellow police tape in front of every train entrance. so they have shut down the entrances to all the access points to the train station. and our presumption is they moved everyone out who could be moved out. there may be people trapped in there who need rescuing. so that will be the next operation. it was difficult to get here because of the traffic, the streets closed and other emergency vehicles on their way. so you have a massive response here. and a massive need for medical attention apparently for 100-plus pass even evers. the average weekday entry into the hoboken train station. 9,000 people at 8:00 a.m. and 4,000 people at 9:00 a.m.
so you have well over 10,000 people that go into this train station every morning between 8:00 and 9:00 in the morning. we don't know how many of those people were standing near when this train crashed or how many people were only the valley line as it came into the hoboken terminal. but there were well over 100 people on the platform or on the train that were hurt. bill: the report fills hoboken has the highest percentage of transit riders of any city in the community. that is significant, rick. >> reporter: it's a very densely packed community. a lot of people live here.
a lot of young people live until hoboken. we are just a few miles from downtown manhattan. it's a quick couple stops on the train into lower manhattan from hoboken. and there are thousands and thousands of people who make that commute every single morning. many of them were in the station this morning when this accident happened. we are hearing from other news sources that the train was moving potentially at full speed when it crashed. this according to cbs news. going:fast enough to move past those bumpers at the ends of the track. that's something that authorities are apparently looking at. that it may have been going much faster than it should have been in fact at full speed. my photographer has just seen one person being removed, appears to be an injured person removed from the scene. when we were approaching here we saw numerous ambulances rolling
up to help people who might be trapped inside. >> we are getting reports from nbc their was not tearer related it was not a deliberate act. reports from abc that 100 injured or trapped. we have on the phone fire commissioner from 9/11. you are thinking what so far as you are only an hour into this story. >> you know, i think the biggest problem you have got with an operation like this and the logistics of getting these ambulances right up close. all the people who respond. now they are all in the way. so you need to get tblanss there. paramedics and emts are running blocks to get care to people that are hurt. with these train tracks you have
all kinds of injuries. minor injuries and some serious injuries. and that's i guess to be determined. so you will have to wait until you get reports from all these folks at the local hospitals. the ones who get caught, you can get some serious injuries. the ones further in the back get knocked around, they get bruised up. so it's a real mix of injuries in these things. and with people standing on the station, the high degree -- high percentage of people in hoboken taking the train. you have a potential of a lot of people with injuries depending on how fast he was going. bill: do they repair for this? do they train? if so, to what degree? >> it depends on the local fire department. hoboken has a good fire department. then they start bringing in help frother people. they never have enough people.
then you find how big is the police department, how much of a train does the police department have? melissa: we are going to listen in here. stand by, thomas. >> we'll be doing regular updates for you folks. we are encouraging people to stay away from hoboken terminal. over a hundred. usually 250. >> do you know how many are critical? >> no. >> are people still trapped on the train? >> i don't know how many are still on the train. >> why did it go into the station. >> i don't have that information. this is an ongoing investigation. we are look at all things that could have caused the accidents. >> did it crash through a wall? >> there is heavy structural
damage to the terminal which is why it has been evacuated. it's not safe to go in there right now and it's closed to the public. >> what is the nature of the injuries. >> i'm not going to get into now. >> so what happened? >> when we determine what happened, multiple injuries, critical. and this time of day. the hoboken terminal. >> we heard 100 plus, more than 100. >> i can't give that information. the director of media relations will talk to you. >> are there people trapped? >> i don't know that right now. i won't say -- >> i thought you said many.
>> multiple. >> the train was going at full speed? >> i can't tell you that right now. it is an ongoing investigation. >> we had well over 100. you have enough help here. >> multiple law enforcement agencies activated, local area hospitals, at least 20 ambulances if not more. some of the injured personnel, multiples. >> active rescue. >> i can't tell you that. i don't have that number but in some area, jersey city, hoboken. i believe, i am not going to guess. i think so, not sure. we are going -- >> everybody else here -- an update. we will be back in a few
minutes. >> excuse me. excuse me. >> on the train -- at this point, damage is massive. >> just trying to hang onto the end of this to see. >> prudential -- >> these are the orders. >> give me five minutes. >> any indication how fast this train was going? >> these are great questions but we don't have answers. they are trying to assemble the media, we are one hour into the story. it is 10:02 in hoboken, a transit train, a commuter train came into the hoboken transit center earlier today.
by our guests, 9 am local time. 90 minutes into the story and this is what we understand, more than 100 injured, many in critical condition. when asked whether there were people trapped, heavy structural damage, clear and evident by the video and images we are picking up on social media. at the time of this crash, 250 people on board the train. >> definitely more than 100 were injured, first time they asked the question she said many were critical. she changed that to multiple, don't know how serious they are. the first official word that has come out. it was in fact the 8:30 a.m.
train. >> when asked if there were fatalities. there was no conservation of that. as we go back to rick leventhal, he arrived 30 minutes ago, moving his way through the streets of hoboken trying to get closer and you see back on camera now, who was that woman, for whom did she work and what did you hear? >> i believe that was jennifer nelson, a spokesperson who came out to read the media the best she could in early stages of this investigation and critical response. a lot of first responders gathered outside the station and many more inside. apparently -- she was unable to confirm ongoing rescues in that train station, there might be people trapped in there, multiple critical injuries of the hundred plus people who were hurt when this train traveling
at a speed far greater than it should have been, jumped bumpers and smashed into the train station doing structural damage to the station and throwing people around who were on the morning train at 8:30 in hoboken with thousands of people who can use in and out of the station every morning at this time there was a significant and serious event and tremendous response by ambulance fire and police processing the scene and responding to what happened in the terminal. >> reports say it was an accident, it was not intentional. i don't know how they know that for sure. was the question asked to her? >> i got here a couple minutes late and asked her to recap and you heard what she had to say. there were 100 plus injuries,
multiple critical, the cause of the crash still under investigation, too early to say i asked the train going full speed, she did not know that yet, how fast the train was going and why it was going that speed, why this operator didn't stop it. and the conductor will get testing in addition to the system. we know the ntsb is on the way, multiple injuries, the ntsb does get involved, they are unseen or on the way here. she did mention the crew was hurt, people working on that train in addition to more than 100 passengers. >> we got the scanner traffic audio from emergency or police scanners. that tells us --
>> it is complete chaos with the agency here. they just remove the final patient off of the train, they are telling us there are no poor patients on the train, no confirmed fatalities. allegedly they had 75 to 100 patients that walked out, trying to funnel these patients to figure out what is going on, extreme confusion and chaos. i will be back with more when we know to scale down. >> based on that report, it is a new level, there were fatalities and if confirmed the woman who was speaking a moment ago was asked that question and could not answer it. >> you heard one confirmed fatality, they pulled the last of the people that were injured off of the train and taken them away but as you walk up,
complete chaos. >> we were speaking a moment ago with a real expert and you wonder now based on pieces of information here what the examination is for what has happened here and when you start an investigation like this. at the moment based on her accounting of a moment ago this is an urgent manner, and urgent seen as you heard on scanner traffic it was chaos, there are people still trapped in their they have to move some heavy equipment to extract them and make sure they are safe. >> a former fdny commissioner during 9/11 joins us. what do you make of what you see on screen. >> that lady did a great job with a quick update, she is in a
tough position, getting information from so many sources, processing it, without a lot of help. the biggest point she made, you have critical injuries, don't know how many or if there are any more people in their. i am sure they figured out by now if anybody is trapped and if they are they are trying to get them out with the equipment they have got. someone mentioned heavy equipment, you might need it, you might not. if you see equipment coming and they probably don't need it, people are trapped, probably going to be there to get twisted wreckage out of their. >> the report from the emergency worker that arrived on scene when we were listening to scanner audio, confirming what we thought early on that person mentioned everybody who was injured had been evacuated from the train and everybody who wasn't injured, that wasn't the
hardest part, talking about going -- other people pinned on the platform. and what the biggest danger was for people on the platte form as the train came to the end of the line and didn't stop but went and over the platform into the office. one confirmed fatality, the people who were most in danger would be those on the platform or in the office. >> the hardest part of the rescue is find somebody who has been driven by other parts of the building, the train itself, the abutments they used to keep the train from going any
further. and slammed into the equipment and everything around them. they are not communicating, sponsored him them, we could have had more fatalities. don't know how many people are in that situation. that is the morning they got, they jump up and move 20 feet which might save your life but you don't know at this point, the real serious injuries might have occurred. >> the train left at 7:203 am, crashed at 8:405 am in hoboken. it is a hub for commuters, a switch for new jersey transit on the past system in manhattan. you have 100,000 people who use new jersey transit, all of them together, that commute from new
jersey and new york city, when you are commuting and you have habits monday through friday and you are on the same train at the same time you come into the station at the same time every day, you expect this to go like it has yesterday and a week before and the month prior to that, you would have hundreds of people going about the daily motions of life when the trains collide. >> paying no attention, just relax on a cell phone or playing a game or texting. this is what happens, why these emergencies are so sad when they do happen. people just going about their this, somebody makes a horrible mistake or tragedy or some evil person perpetrates an act of terror or a natural cause, that is what things are about.
>> we have another story, stand by. we come back in a moment. >> relate leventhal standing by with details. >> a law enforcement source actively working the scene behind us told me the poa confirms the female victim who was killed in this train crash, he does not know the number of rescued or injured people, that number is more than 100. he tells me two were extricated from the train car which included the engineer so the front car, two people had to be assisted to get out, extricated from that car. we have spoken with a witness, on the first car, was very shaken up, crying, said that it
was a traumatic experience. when the impact occurred everything went black, people were screaming and she was trying to get out of the train as was everything else, there was a lot of confusion people were panicking and wanted to run out of the train, basically things went black and got crazy on the train after the impact, clearly lucky to be alive and unhurt physically but she is very shaken up after what happened. we confirmed there is a female victim who was killed according to my source. what you see behind me are hundreds of first responders, firefighters, police officers who are trying to process and investigate is trying to determine why the train went barreling into the station at a
speed too high, 250 people, well over 100 people. >> if you want to buy that, describing that front train a short time ago the same crash, lights going out, panic inside, trying to get off, also seeing people with blood on them trying to get clear. you can only imagine how terrifying that would be, given what we have seen in the city and around the country. >> a week and a half ago we had pipe bombs not in the station but a similar one. it looked like the street traffic has come not to a stop but more minimal now than it was when we talked to you 40 minutes ago. have you -- that could be used
in case someone is still trapped. >> they pushed the thrust to the hudson river of the hoboken train station. we are on a sidewalk on the riverfront a lot of heavy vehicles there. we can see on the other side, heavy equipment could be arriving, when we got here, we did see dozens of fire trucks and ambulances and police cars and they sealed off the entire area around the hoboken train station, yellow tape to keep onlookers back as a process the scene. we heard from a spokesperson they removed the injured, brought them to area hospitals, many of them critically, one fatality, and the engineer had to be extricated along with two
others in hoboken train station. >> a lot of the video we see on the side of you we see the damage that was done, ceilings collapsed and things hanging everywhere, some things posted online, you see people fleeing the scene and that is what that witness described to you about that front, she was in that front car, when it made impact everything went black. >> everything went black and people were panicking, screaming and bleeding. people wanted desperately to get off that train. they were able to do that. i don't have the luxury of seeing the images you are seeing. i saw a picture on the way here of the interior of the train station, we are told there was extensive structural damage, beams that collapsed, there was
a lot of damage when it smashed over the bumpers. inside that crowded commuter train station. >> when you get more information come back. >> we are hearing from other media there may be as many as three dead. they are lower than the final numbers so to doesn't injured at 100 injured, one fatality, 3 fatalities, that number could climb so we can expect these numbers will start to go up as they make their way through the scene. multiple, critically hurt people, some sadly may not survive. we are waiting to hear updates
from officials. >> let's hope the news doesn't get works. we have a bit more -- a few more pieces falling into place. what do you make of that be change i would be surprised if the news you get isn't important later on. some of those people are critical. you hope it is all people broken on but the impact to go through that at the end, bounced around and have more people -- >> based on your experience, what do you understand as the process for a train approaching the station like this? what takes place? who is responsible for what? how much of that knowledge do you have?
>> these guys slow down and primary objective and if they don't, a lot of reasons because of the personal issue they have. that is pretty simple but i don't know. >> most sources reporting they believe this to be accidental as opposed to intentional, ruling out sabotage. we don't know at this point, the conductor at the back of the train based on the accident investigators should have pooled the break and didn't. think about that. >> at this point we don't know. i doubt very much it was deliberate, or if there is a problem with the brakes, that could very well be.
none of these things you know until you have more investigation, they will press the people who are supposed to do the job, why it was done and go from there. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate your comments. bill: a witness to what happened, once we establish the line jim will tell us what he experienced at 845 in the morning, can you hear me? >> i can, good morning. >> what happened? >> as we were phoning the station you could feel we were going too fast. a friend was standing, never slowed down. luckily, i was sitting, and standing on the train, we just
plowed through the bumper. the experience was almost like an off-road vehicle bouncing around in your seat afterwards, there was some panic, people trying to smash the windows out. to calm people down. and climbing out the window, got the doors open, point once the door got open, to calm down a bit. >> let me ask a few specific questions. where do you live? you are in new jersey, you take this train how often? >> every day. >> you know the pattern and the
path. >> yes. >> when you describe coming into the train station, you knew where you were and where the train should have been speedwise at that point. >> coming and at hotels, when you're coming in, the train usually stops 100 yards from the platform. >> you are seated at this point but you say many people were standing. is there a way to give us an idea of the number of people who were standing. was in a packed car or just a regular commuter car for that time of day? >> it was more crowded than usual this morning. what happens, a lot of people
transfer, half of them file out so the last 10 minutes of the commute, it was a good 25 people standing. >> describe the moment of impact. what did you experience? >> it was bumpy. you get bounced around and slammed forward. everyone who was standing went flying. i saw a lot of head injuries and a lot of people were cut. >> did you move physically or did you remain in your seat? >> my -- i was bracing my arm,
bracing the front seat bracing for impact. a good 30 seconds where you felt the train, you were coming -- you knew you weren't on the track anymore, waiting for the impact. >> you describe breaking windows. how did you get out of the train? >> i got out through the door. i helped knock the window out and helped two people out of the window so -- at the window, and then by that time after we got two people out a man jumped out and helped another woman out, i had time to get the doors open manually so we were able to get
out the doors. >> what was going through your mind when this happened? can you remember? >> a lot of expletives. it was scary. i kept thinking i was hoping we weren't going to flip. that was going through my mind. i was expecting the train to flip over and that was what i was worried about. luckily that didn't happen. >> the time between you described going off road when you knew you were off the track to the deck of impact how long did that feel like to you? >> it was like a good 30, 34, 30 seconds. it was pretty quick. >> what did you see on the
platform once you got out as you were exiting? did it seem there were people stuck on the platform? what did you see outside the train? >> it was hard to tell but over and around the train. inside the car and couldn't see, in the first car -- the first car. i am not sure anyone was trapped up front. >> you feel you are going to ride the train again? is not sure, probably not on it. best way to see the city. >> two more questions would you describe the fast speed upon approach. we had an expert on last hour who is not there but he was
suggesting 10 or 15 miles an hour could cause this much damage, you have any way to tell how fast you were going? >> tough to tell. i'm not sure. it seemed the speed the trains normally travel, you know, when it is between stations. >> that could be significantly you describe head injuries. what did you see? >> i saw a few people with cuts around therefore heads. someone -- with his thumb plates off. and injuries like lots head injuries and head injuries from what i saw. >> we appreciate your eyewitness account, thank you for your time and our best to you. we are glad to know you are
okay. >> we are getting a live update on the scene, let's listen to the latest details. >> okay? >> we are not getting the update we were expecting. they are getting ready for it right there >> a reporter screen locked in. we had a woman 30 minutes ago that worked with new jersey transit, she was excellent, giving as much information as she could just from inside. doctor manny alvarez at fox news with me now. hang on one second here, stand by. >> 30 feet away, pooled into the
station, a high rate of speed, bumper-to-bumper block through the air, traveled 40 feet, came to a rest when it hit the wall of the waiting room. >> you are saying the train, the first car of the train became airborne? >> to a degree, solid concrete and steel when the train was to go too far. the train was traveling fast enough to have hit and gone over it. it with their.to a degree. >> did you hear anything? you work locomotives. did you hear that? >> i didn't. i heard the initial bomb sound. i knew it wasn't a bomb because i saw it happen. it was a horrendous exploding noise, concrete, dust, the train
flying into the depot, couldn't believe what i was seeing. you have been working so hard you would never believe that would happen. >> people understand what the terminal looks like, the track terminates and people can walk in the area where the track turns. >> yes. the track terminates, they exit the train and the terminal is in front of where it terminates. >> can you describe that seem? you have taken deep breaths. this is difficult. what did you see immediately after? describe the scene after the impact? >> we ran over and a lot of people were kicking out windows trying to exit the train, we told them not to. wires touching the top of the train you exit the train and you
are electrocuted. a lot of people don't realize that and we try to keep them on the train, we determine there is no power so -- the first car, halfway through the first car, the second half of the first car was completely destroyed to where they were crawling on their hands and knees and we were trying to get as many people out, three or four people getting out, then please first responders came in and told me to exit. >> can you describe the extent of the injuries? >> i have no idea how many injuries. they were alive and conscious, very serious, like i said, once first responders and police came they made threats, and the depot is not structurally sound
anymore. as far as the amount of casualties i absolutely have no idea. >> you are saying in terms of the damage to the train the first car, first half of the first car was destroyed. >> first half of the first car was heavily damaged. >> the engineer would have been in the lead car even though the train was powered by diesel. >> he is operating the locomotive from the first car. he is right in the front of the first car. i don't know. >> you work on locomotives. this particular model of locomotive, anything that would govern the speed, a dead man switch? >> it is not called a dead man anymore it is called an alerter.
there are a lot of control aspects, in the depot, that is not my expertise, i couldn't comment on any train control in the depot. that is not my field. >> you went into the train with others. >> me and four and five others. i have seen a couple others, anything that could help was right there. >> reporter: if you had to sum up your reaction to all this? >> it was shocking. kind of surreal. completely shocking. you don't believe it is happening in front of your face. i won't past the area where it happened 100 times a day and i can see that happening.
seeing it happen was unbelievable. >> reporter: this is difficult for you, i appreciate taking your time. >> that was a train worker describing what he saw, he describes people crawling away from the train, how he and others working on the train telling people to stay put and be very careful, explained that most people don't understand you can get electrocuted when you're trying to get away from the train. we had a witness saying the train usually stops before it comes into the station and coast the rest of the way in blue someone who takes the train every day said today that did not happen. they didn't stop, they came in at the same speed, describe jumping the track and feeling an off-road car off the track
before they get impacted. and he was seated, he saw people flying around with head injuries, looking like his thumb had been cut off. there was panic after impact, kicking out windows, and once the doors were open, and would clear the train area. >> about the breaking of windows you can imagine, you want to get out. >> the panic you must feel. >> i take the subway every afternoon and rarely think about the possibility traveling at full speed this train could go off the track or hit another train, it is not on your mind. that appears to be a similar story with the commuters taking the train every day but into the train station, beyond the speed they normally travel.
>> more eyewitnesses, let's go ahead and roll it, and another on board the train, watch here. >> whether or not the train stopped, we didn't know it collided. and again, probably having -- scary to know -- in the immediate area, came up and nothing that, able to get a hold of it. >> clearly shaken up. imagine the sound of the concrete and the steel coming together with the collision of
the metal approaching the station. doctor manny alvarez in studio, working in new jersey, touching a lot of folks on the medical side. what do you want to share with us about injuries? >> hoboken is a town i live in, very familiar. when the accident happened, the regional hospitals that serve hoboken are hospitals immediately a command center was placed at hackensack university medical center, the main trauma center to receive trauma victims and right now most of the injuries are going to jersey city medical center, palisades and st. mary's hospitals and depending on this -- the extent of the injuries, some patients might get transported to hackensack for more intensive work. early this morning i did confirm
before it was announced that there was one mortality, patient on the platform, most of the injuries we are going to see are going to be referred to the first, second or third car, that is where the impact energy stopped, going into a car crash, there is going to be a lot of broken bones and internal billing -- bleeding, the types of injuries the initial person was alluding to, critical patients requiring intensive help but we still don't have the full picture of the severity of the injuries that come out of this. >> the people standing were at greater risk than people who were sitting. >> these transit trains, they have hard surfaces, metal, and a
lot of bodies stand out typically with the force of the energy and you hit another person or most likely a very hard surface. those are hard plastic seats. so you are bound to have significant injuries once that happens. >> we had an eyewitness describing head injuries. it goes along the line. >> not because you are bleeding from the outside and you have impact injuries, and bleeding intracranial he, and you hit your chest so hard your spleen
can bleed, and that is why these injuries for first responders and had to triage it the scene and dealing with crushing injury and internal bleeding and folks have to be rushed immediately and has to occur. >> based on that a lot of people walked away, what do you say there looking at, and walked away? >> hopefully despite the fact people walked away and were involved in the train or platform, seems to be heard, there will be a follow-up and accountability for the people that were there and other health professionals can follow up with subsequent injuries for 24 hours. >> when you look at this and see
the massive response, how often for a situation like this with a driller practice? what would be the level of preparedness. >> from the healthcare perspectives, 9/11, all regional hospitals in hackensack definitely do that because we are a major trauma center. we have drills constantly because these things happen and within minutes you have 2 set up a command center and get key leaders from nursing and ambulance services and services to be readily available so in the tri-state area most hospitals practice this on an ongoing basis. we live in a world of a lot of uncertainty. hopefully this is an accident and nothing more but we have to be prepared. from the healthcare perspective this gets practice every single time, two or three times a year.
police and first responders have emergency trials because nowadays we have to be ready no matter what. >> manny alvarez, our doctor in charge of this story, lives and works in new jersey and one of the first to come into the newsroom, hopefully that number stays the way it is from this point forward. good to have you. >> some things we heard from eyewitness accounts which have been so terrifying, the commuter we talked to provided a critical piece of evidence, he said in general in hoboken which is the end of the line, in manhattan as well they stopped way far out and pause and coast into the station, he expected that to happen but that did not happen, they kept going at full speed.
>> almost 10:45 in new york, hoboken, new jersey from our studios in manhattan. more than 100 injured, one confirmed fatality. a commuter train from new jersey crashed into the hoboken new jersey train station, serious damage to the train station and so many commuters on board. a witness described 250 people on board the train, standing in the car in which he was riding. and a regular commuter pattern, things were normal he described until the approach the station. and they were traveling at a
speed that was not right. >> he described going forward and hitting the end bumper, feeling the train was going off road he described what it was like when you are in, altering an operating vehicle, he said it felt like 30 seconds went by as the train was bumping along and everyone was bracing for impact his greatest fear as he described it was the train was going to flip point. it finally came to a halt and we heard from a number of witnesses there was a lot of panic about getting out of the train, things were dark and they tried to break out of the train breaking windows, somebody got a door open and the passengers were able to calm down and exit. a train worker on the scene described them as crawling away from the train. >> wfan radio, he witnessed the
crash, now we have on telephone, good morning, can you hear me? >> absolutely. >> tell us about your experience. >> previous to that on the same track, hoboken at that time, it took some time to go to work, walked back into the terminal and was at the top step of a stairway when i looked to the right and saw the train that would not stop and it went through the barricade, it was a chaotic situation away from the train as well, people panicked including the group trying to get away, as far from the terminal as they could. >> what was going through your
mind at that point? >> hard to say, i couldn't believe it. i looked and saw the train not stop, the electricity goes out it becomes a dark scene and with the noise on impact i just looked and it is hard to believe what i saw. >> what happened next? >> i scrambled with others to get away from the terminal, responders were extremely quick. it did not take long for the first group of responders to arrive on scene at the train station. >> you take it a lot? >> every day. >> pretty normal day until that point. >> yes. a normal day, a chance to kill
time before going into manhattan but it did not end that way. >> at that point what did you hear? other witnesses described the panic. were people screaming? >> lot of screams. on impact -- i kind of like in this to the situation, the train, the passengers knew the train was not stopping, but it is almost like it failed. >> as people left what happened next? what did you see next? >> i was on the top step and people were running up the stairs to get out. you get in the middle of a large group of people trying to go
through the doors. and pushing to get through, others pushing to help other people get out as well, you saw that as well. >> glad to know you are okay, thanks for sharing your experience, wfan radio. another eyewitness describe this the following way, getting more reporters out to the scene and this is what we captured a moment ago. >> i heard some folks say the train didn't stop. folks that ride the train every day realize folks stand up which is normal, so you are standing there waiting is one gentleman i was helping said to me i raced the front seat because i knew it wasn't going to stop and people
started flying and stuff like that. >> very interesting idea that he shared, you were on board the train and knew you were at the wrong speed at the wrong time you could brace yourself, and the eyewitness did that, luckily he was seated. >> he talked about there was impact, the panic among people, everybody describe that as being dark, the electricity was gone, people in the car, the panic to get out, you don't know what happened and if there is something else coming. they were panicked to get out of the train breaking windows and pry the door open and things calm down, they got through the door but i can't imagine the terror. >> the human toll more than 100 injured, one confirmed fatality but other news outlets report the number is higher after the scene. what do you have now?
>> new jersey transit train, 1614 left spring valley, new york at 7:23 and crashed in a hoboken terminal at 8:45 according to the new jersey transit spokesman, the federal administration dispatched an investigative team to determine a cause of the crash with a law enforcement source told me there is no known cause beyond the train traveling at too high a rate of speed, hitting a wall causing a ceiling collapse, well over 100 injuries, many of them radical. there is one fatality. law enforcement source told me port authority police, emergency services and fire department extricated two people from the front car including the train
engineer. those two translated to a local hospital alive, as far as we know and he knows there has been just one fatality, well over 100 injuries confirmed by new jersey transit many of them critical injuries. because of the impact of this crash and so many people were standing in the first two cars, waiting to get off the train so they could head into the city, a commuter train going to this busy terminal where 15,000 people board trains, a lot of people on the train when it jumped over the bumpers at the end of the track at a high rate of speed, smashing the wall causing a ceiling collapse, over 100 people, killing one confirmed this morning. >> we don't know when they will brief again but we will take it back there. maybe you have been watching this video the past several minutes, that shows you the moments after in the train station, smoke in the air and a
lot of confusion, a lot of people trying to figure out how to get out whether they are wounded or not. >> even though the video looks like it is black-and-white you see a lot of yellowjackets, the train workers who came in to try to help. one of them described when he got there there were people crawling to get to safety and his concern was they were going to get electrocuted because people don't understand when the lights have gone out and there are wires on the ground there is a tendency to get electrocuted. of all the changes around you, you would think you would have the presence of mind to think about that and you're trying to escape. another danger i wouldn't anticipate. >> the ntsb is en route and will conduct an investigation. there is a range of possibilities. if there's an indication there is not an issue we will see. it would not appear to be a factor but we will see. it is possible human error is
involved when you are traveling into a station like this, you are at a range of speeds you know is not possible to bring this train to a halt on time, going to the bumper, bringing concrete and steel with you as you see from the damage. >> we heard the train worker that was there, somebody asked was there a dead man switch, positive train control, he said we don't call it a dead man switch, we don't call it that. positive train control, we believe the train would have it, i cannot tell you for sure but there are lots of different systems in place, that is one of the big questions going forward, the engineers at the back of the train, that was driving it. it was being driven from the rear at this point. was it up to that person, the engineer to put on the brakes? why didn't he do it? other systems were in place to
catch the problem is that engineer wasn't able to for one reason or another stop that train but the people on board knew, the regulars generally on the train knew there was something wrong. in general they would have stopped a bit out and coasted into the station and that didn't happen at all. >> many crews going to local hospitals to figure out the extent of the injuries and talk to more eyewitnesses. we will get a clip we can share with you, what hospital folks are saying. i heard something in my ear that another eyewitness coming to the studio in new york, we will bring it to you. if not here is what we understand, one dead, 100 injured, commuter train coming to the new jersey transit station at the height of morning rush-hour and by force of habit there were people on the same train at the same time at the
same minute, the same hour every day and today it did not go as it should. >> there are a number of critical injuries, we heard they had to extricate some people from the front car, had to use equipment to cut open the first train car to get some of the people out. there were a good number of people able to walk away on their own power, witnesses on scene saying a lot of those people were bloodied, cut, there was broken glass, they described one man who looks like his thumb had been sliced off, a lot of people with head injuries trying to get away. >> this is from the hospital, we were talking about the injuries and head trauma, see what we can
pick out of it. >> back and neck injuries, trying to stabilize them. we will be ready for whatever comes our way, there is a count of the scene to determine who goes where. 6 or 7, some people suffer burns here. mostly adults, there might be a few patients. >> are you expecting more patients? >> we are not expecting more patients, based on who needs to be in a hospital service, to stabilize somewhere else. >> a lot of people are lucky right now based on those injuries, we can't say the same
for a lot of others who were said to be in critical condition and the extent of critical injuries run the gamut. there were also reports that people were trapped. we have not heard a clarification of that. i suggest more than an hour. if that is the case and no one is trapped, that is a bit of good news out of the story in new jersey. >> workers who arrived at the scene and other witnesses seeing people stream away from the scene, pushing their way away from the scene, people were terrified as to what caused this and what could be coming next as they tried to get away, they described a lot of screaming, a lot of blood, some people crawling away from the scene, people who didn't look as injured as on the sidelines but very shocked by the whole situation. >> there will be a question of cause, and what could account for this.
is a human error? was a technical error? was it a distraction or something we have not considered? we don't have an answer right now. there have been numerous incidents on the eastern seaboard dealing with trains, the commuter train or amtrak and there has been a range of reasons why incidents like these, multiple-choice right now to figure this out. that is a small consolation, 250 people the estimate for those on board, many standing, most vulnerable in a situation like that, seat belts and padding and you are at the whim of the force of the collision. >> the train -- where to the problem coming? why was that? the engineer at the back of the train, why was the train not
stop? people watching the train coming in heard the impact, watched it happen, they knew something was wrong. >> more than 100 injuries, our coverage of this news story will continue throughout the morning into the afternoon and we will try to figure it out. i am bill hemmer and coverage continues. >> we begin with a fox news alert, the latest on the crash of the commuter train in hoboken, new jersey, welcome to "happening now" on this thursday, continuing coverage into the disaster in that state. i'm john scott. neil: 7 i am in for jenna lee. one person confirmed dead, 100 injured, many critical, according to emergency response after the crowded new jersey transit train derailed and plowed through the hoboken station just west of manhattan in the middle