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we have no estimate as to when the terminal will be able to be reopened except to say that it appears that the p.a.t.h. terminal, the structural integrity there is fine. and so that p.a.t.h. trains will be able to use the terminal. as for the new jersey transit portion, we don't have an estimate yet on that. we're going to need some time to do that. i want to turn this over to governor cuomo. we'll also have commissioner hammer and mta director prentergast to make comments and then governor cuomo and i will come back to take on-topic questions. governor cuomo. >> thank you. thank you very much. first i'd like to thank governor christie and his entire team for their outstanding response to this tragedy. thank you, lieutenant governor, for being here. and all the first responders. we know what happened. we don't know why it happened. as governor christie said, the train obviously came in at too high a rate of speed. it didn't stop.
it went through the barriers. when you see the destruction up close, the silver lining is that there's only been one fatality thus far because the destruction really is significant. and the power of the train coming in is obviously devastating in its impact. the 100 injured and the fatality and the critically injure d, we remember them in our prayers and we hope that there is only one fatality and it stops there. the ntsb will do a full investigation as to what happened exactly. and we'll let the facts speak for themselves. if there's something to learn from those facts after that investigation, then we will be sure to learn it and incorporate that lesson. the commissioner hammer and mta chairman are working very hard
hand-in-glove in a seamless approach where new jersey transit is working with the mta, is working with p.a.t.h., is working with the port authority to expedite tonight's commute and tomorrow's commute because as the governor said, the structural damage to the station itself and we don't yet know how long that damage will take to repair or what the consequence of that damage. i would like to applaud all the first responders who did a magnificent job once again. and i would also like to take this opportunity to say these are difficult times over these past weeks and months between terrorist attacks, natural disasters, we've had our hands full in this country. we've had our hands full in the northeast. i want to thank the linden
police who did an extraordinary job in apprehending rahami in connection with the chelsea bombing. and they really did a fantastic job. and i want to thank the coordination and the cooperation of our neighbors and partners in making that happen. today is another situation for us to deal with. but i also believe as many challenges as mother nature sends us, or our enemies send us, we are up to handling them. we will handle them one at a time, but when we work together there's nothing we can't accomplish and nothing that we can't overcome. and we're going to do that with today's tragedy as well. with that, i'll turn it back to governor christie. >> thank you, governor. commissioner rick hammer who's the commissioner of transportation in new jersey and the chairman of new jersey transit, will address some of the transit issues we'll be
confronting in the days to come. commissioner. >> thank you, governor. good afternoon. as governor christie mentioned earlier, the p.a.t.h. train service is going to be resumed here at the station this afternoon. we expect to run a full rush hour service. there's a couple of pilot trains that are going to be run in the next hour or so, but all indications are a go. safety inspections have shown us that there's no reason why we can't run the system at full peak rush hour capacity. for the afternoon, new jersey transit is going to be expanding bus, rail and light rail services as much as possible to make up for the closure of the rail line here at hoboken. for buses, new jersey transit will increase service on the number 126 line between hoboken and the port authority bus terminal. customers will be notified where to get the service. a bus shuttle will run between hoboken and sea caucus station on a load and go basis. customers will be directed to the service by ambassadors who are wearing safety vests.
the hudsonburg and light rail is currently suspended in to and out of hoboken terminal. there are safety inspections ongoing as we speak. we hope to have that resumed later. at this point we're not ready to announce that. a shuttle bus will operate on observer highway to newport pavonia. all eighth street to hoboken service is terminating at newport station. trains are terminating at second street. all west side avl to avenue trains are running regular service. customers who normally travel through se caucus are urged to go to new york penn station for zfs. all other new jersey transit rail services operating regularly, however customers may experience some overcrowding and possible delays due to congestion. thank you very much. commissioner. >> mta chairman will talk about
how this will impact new york and the plans he and governor cuomo have to deal with that. chairman. >> thank you, governor. our west of hudson service is operated, metro-north is operated by new jersey transit. we have about 1,200 daily customers on the pascack and for this evening's rush hour customers should utilize the hudson service and go to the terrytown and beacon stations where we will have buses to transport them to their ultimate destinations in new york west of hudson. we'll be cross honoring nj transit monthly commuting tickets and in the morning and depending how long the terminal is out of service, we will have bus service in those stations picking up people in those stations west of hudson and bringing them back to beacon and terrytown. thank you. >> and governor cuomo and i can take some on-topic questions. brian. brian. brian. >> did you get any indication at
all from nj transit folks or any of the engineers as to when the. [ inaudible ] not the terminal, but the crash -- [ inaudible question ] >> not yet, brian. understand there are a few things, first is the structural integrity of that portion of the building. second is the power supply to the building. as you know there's energized tracks there. as soon as this happened, if you've seen the way the damage operated, there were wires everywhere. port authority police, transit police made a decision to immediately cut power to that part of the building to ensure the safety of the people who were there. that was the right decision. and so we have to determine when it would be available to restore power to those areas. so there's a number of different aspects to this that have to be looked at by our engineers. governor cuomo's pledged full support of the port authority along with me to have their engineers working with transit engineers to deal with what we need to deal with here. the good news for some of our
commuters who use p.a.t.h. is that this will not effect p.a.t.h. service at all and they'll be able to continue to use the hoboken terminal for p.a.t.h. service, the structural integrity of those places are fine. so the governor and i feel the same way. the most important thing is the structural safety of that building and the safety of the people that were there. remember the one fatality we did have was not someone on the train but someone who was killed by debris that was created while they were standing on the platform. from the d to make sure that the entire portion of that building is safe from a power perspective and a structural perspective so that we don't have any unintended injuries going forward. so that will be our first priority. when we determine that it's safe, we'll reopen the building. but we won't reopen it a minute earlier. follow-up? i'm following up with him, please, thank you. >> as far as all of this damage,
even to crack terminal would probably be -- >> can't tell you, brian. you know, i'm not -- it will be close today. that much i can firmly tell you. beyond that as you know i have many skills, engineering is not one of them. no, no, it's true. no, it is not, engineering is not one of them. i'm going to leave this one to the engineers. unless cuomo has some training he hasn't revealed to me yet, i think we'll both leave it to the engineers. yes, sir. [ inaudible question ] we don't know a lot about why it happened. the engineer is fully cooperating with law enforcement in the investigation. and as i said in my opening statement, i learned a long time ago as u.s. attorney as i know the governor did as attorney general, you don't jump to conclusions. you let the facts lead you to those conclusions. so we have nothing really to add to that. the one thing as governor cuomo mentioned that we know is that the train came in at much too
high a rate of speed. and the question is why is that. and we won't know that for some time. as soon as we know, you can be sure we'll share it with the public. but it's not appropriate -- not appropriate at this time -- no, i don't. and it's not appropriate for us to comment beyond that at this time. let's let law enforcement do their job. david. david. david. >> governor, could you talk about positive train control? where are we with that in new jersey? and could this have possibly prevented this from taking place? >> again, david, that's speculation that could only be based upon the cause of the accident. and until we know the cause of the accident, we're not going to be able to know what steps we could take in the future to avoid an accident like this. so what i will tell people is pretty clear. that the commitment of new jersey transit, their first priority is passenger safety. and so if there are measures that are recommended based upon the facts that are revealed for the cause of this accident, the new jersey transit will work to implement those and we will share those things with our
partners at the mta to make sure that passengers in new york and new jersey or commuting over this river under this river, over this river every day are kept as safe as possible. >> can i just -- there's no real point as to speculating what happened, why did the train come in so fast, was there a medical condition, what happened with the conductor, et cetera. we have no idea. and i don't think the speculation is especially helpful. the ntsb will come up, they will do a full investigation. you'll have the facts. once we have the facts. if there's a lesson to learn, we will learn it. but positive train control et cetera, until you know what caused the problem, you don't know the solution. and as governor christie said, let the facts -- let's find out the facts first and then let's follow the facts. first order of business as to helping the commuters tonight, tomorrow, the next day, you will
never have had a more coordinated approach between the mta, new jersey transit, port authority, all agencies are working together. we're sharing personnel. we're sharing equipment and resources in a way we have never done before. this regional collaboration is only getting stronger. and we want all commuters to know we will have the system up and running as fast as humanly possible. >> yes. we can't -- listen, we're not going to speak to any specifics regarding the one fatality. we want to make sure that all next of kin are appropriately notified. and this would not be an appropriate notification. so we're not going to speak to that. except to let you know that we are in the process of making sure that the victim's families are notified and handled in a
dignified and appropriate manner. beyond that it would be just wrong for us to comment on it. >> were most of the serious injuries in the train or in the station? >> four cars, one engine. four cars, one engine, engine in the back. >> were most of the -- [ inaudible question ] >> nj transit will release that information as appropriate. we're not releasing it at the moment while we're in the middle of a pending investigation. [ inaudible question ] >> no, it took out -- there's an old stile as you know if you've been in there, an old style ceiling in that portion of the train station. it took out a number of the supporting structures for that ceiling. the ceiling in that area collapsed. and it came to a stop at the wall that leads into the
terminal. we have no indication this is anything other than a tragic accident, but as governor cuomo has said and i've said, we're going to let the law enforcement professionals pursue the facts. the folks from ntsb and federal railway administration, they're working in coordination with our state attorney general and our state police to gather all the facts and then they'll brief us appropriately when they come to conclusions. >> what have they said to you? [ inaudible question ] >> from eyewitness accounts. [ inaudible question ] >> don't. you know, the investigation takes as long as it's going to take to come to an appropriate conclusion. but i can say we have some of the best professionals in the port authority, in mta and new jersey transit, anywhere in the world on mass transportation. so i have a great deal of confidence in them and our law enforcement officers to come to a conclusion as quickly as any force of people could come to a
conclusion. [ inaudible question ] >> most of the injuries were in the train. >> you said you've spoken to the white house, governor. what have they said to you? [ inaudible question ] >> again, we don't know because we don't know what the cause of the high rate of speed -- again, i heard -- no, no, listen. you speak english, i speak english, i heard what you said. now you let me answer and that's the way the system works. the fact is that we don't know what the cause of the high rate of speed was, therefore we cannot answer the question as to whether any other apparatus or systems could have slowed the train down or not based on that. so we're not going to speculate on that. and i appreciate your question. >> you said you've spoken to the white house, governor. what have they told you and advised you? >> the white house just offered their condolences for the victim and for their prayers for the survivors and made sure that the ntsb and the fra were coordinating with law enforcement here. and offered any further assets
that we, the governor and i, deemed necessary to deal with the problem. it was a brief conversation, but the white house offered their full cooperation. and i thank them for reaching out and offering that cooperation. >> and in term of the exact speed of the train, you said -- >> i don't know the total number on the train. there were 108 injured and one fatality, as we said before. well, they vary. some were people who were able to walk in and some who were taken by new jersey transit bus to a hospital, graded up to those who were moved by ambulance. so there's a varying degree of them. right now we don't have any reason to believe that they'll be any further fatalities. but again, that's going to be things that are determined by the care of treatment given at the hospital and severity of injuries that came in. but right now the only fatality we have is the one we mentioned already. >> well, look, the positive train control system no doubt can be a benefit depending on
the circumstances. and what we're saying here is we don't know what the circumstances were that caused the train to continue at that rate of speed. it could be any number of things. it could be personal to the conductor, it could be an equipment failure, it could be anything. we have no idea. so before we start to prescribe what could be a solution, you really have to define the problem. you won't have the problem defined until after the investigation. i know human nature says how did this happen, we want to know and we want to know now. unfortunately, we won't know today. we won't know until the investigation runs its course. but the train did come in at a high rate of speed. when you see the damage, if anything i think the silver lining is that there was only one fatality. really was a blessing. and as soon as we have the facts and we know how it happened, if
we can come up with a reform or improvement to make sure it doesn't happen again, that's exactly what we'll do. in the meantime, we're cooperating on the investigation. we're cooperating on the reconstruction. we're cooperating on expediting the commute for tonight and for tomorrow morning and whatever we need to do the next day by pooling all of our resources, whether they be new york resources or new jersey resources or port authority resources. because we want to make sure we're doing everything we can for the commuter. >> do we know an exact speed of the train? >> let me just add to what governor cuomo said so people can feel assured by this not just by our words but by our actions. the fact is over the last six years governor cuomo and i have served in these positions together, we've gone through hurricane irene, hurricane sandy, and a number of terrorist attacks. what that's done for our
relationship and for the relationships of our staffs has been these folks know how to deal with a crisis. that's why the first call that i received this morning after getting the call from my staff about this accident was from governor cuomo, who was preparing to go to israel and canceled his trip in order to be here to help manage this crisis with me. so what the people of the region need to be assured of is, i do not remember a time in the history of the state when i've been observing it when you've had a better and more tested relationship between the governor of new york and the governor of new jersey and their respective staffs. and so when we say we're going to get this up and running as quickly as possible, people have a track record to watch from irene, from sandy and from terrorist attacks that the governor and i know how to do that. and our staffs know how to do it because we've been tested. as have the people of new york and new jersey been tested. and that's one of the things you saw in there this morning.
that regular commuters left the safety of where they were standing to rush to the train to help first responders evacuate injured people off the train. this region has developed a resilience that is admired by the rest of the world because of the way we've been tested. and so we have challenges, as the governor said. and we both believe that. but we have a system in place between the two of us and our administrations and an incredibly resilient people that allow us to be able to confront these things very directly. so when we have more information to give, we'll hold another briefing. whether it's directly by the governor and i or whether it's by our folks who were in charge of the minute-to-minute operations of this, we'll let you know. we appreciate you coming out today informing the public. we'll continue to provide information regarding the evening commute. if there's anything to add to what commissioner hammer and chairman prendergrast already
told you. >> you've been listening in new jersey governor chris christie and new york governor andrew cuomo wrapping up their press conference now. the latest on that train crash. hello everyone. i'm shannon bream. christie confirming at least one person has died. at least 108 others, many of them critically. we've got complete team coverage, james mcelrue, former president of the academy of rail labor attorneys, but first start with rick leventhal. he's got the latest. >> reporter: hello, shannon, as you heard one fatality confirmed. it was a woman we've been reporting this morning, a woman standing on the platform hit by flying debris, the governors confirmed that, also that the engineer was critically injured and they don't know why this train entered hoboken term gnat at a high rate of speed, but they said that is the cause of this crash, at least what happened here was a result of a train coming in at a high rate of speed, jumping off the end of the track over a bumper that was
meant to stop the train, slammed into a wall and threw people on that train all over that train. well over 100 people hurt. many of them very badly. the scene was described to us by witnesses and passengers as being chaotic and traumatic. things went dark. a lot of people were bleeding. many had broken bones. others with back and neck injuries. they were trying to break through windows to get off the cars. some crawled out once doors were opened. many were taken to area hospitals and many are still being treated at this hour. again, the cause of this crash still under investigation. there are varying reports about the condition of the engineer and the conductor on that train. we can't confirm those reports, but i was told by a source that the -- at least one of the crew members was semiconscious and vague when he was taken off of the train. we know that one of them had to be extricated, the engineer had to be extricated out of the front car by first responders and taken to a hospital.
but the scene one of horror for the people on it. and even people standing in the terminal, shannon, describe it as sounding and feeling like an explosion, like a bomb had gone off. dust rising and then people crawling out of that dust cloud to escape. >> yeah, those images so much. thanks for your continued reporting on this. joining us, a railroad litigation attorney and former president of the academy of rail labor attorneys. sir, thank you for joining us today. i want to start by asking you when something like this happens, is there enough data and hard evidence so that eventually through a black box type system if those are available on trains, right, through witness accounts, through physical evidence, will we get a definitive answer about what happened? >> well, i have faith in the ntsb and all the agencies that they will get to the bottom of this. these trains should have event recorders. i know that some of the trains do not. most of the trains that i'm
familiar with except metro-north, they have event recorders. hopefully that will help. >> i'm sorry, would that tell us speed, location, movement, those kinds of things, the physical evidence? >> they should. i mean, what we do know is that there are signals entering the station and they should alert the engineer to slow down. if there was positive train control -- i listened to governor cuomo before. the positive train control would help prevent -- would first alert the engineer and then it would slow -- put the train in emergency and would definitely apply the brakes. so unless those were overridden, positive train control would be something that should be looked into. >> yeah. and so far it sounds like our reporting is that it doesn't exist at least in this area, this part of new jersey transit system so that may not have been a factor here. but i'm also told there could be video on the train and video of course in that station. how helpful will that be if it
exists? >> well, we're not going to be able to determine from any of that what was going on with the engineer. >> yeah, because obviously if that individual was incapacitated in some way or lost control in some way and there's so many questions we don't know, they've apparently survived but suffered injuries themselves. and it will take some time, i know, but the ntsb as you said is very methodical about this. >> shannon, when i first heard about this, i went into my library and i looked at the ntsb report from may 2011 when another train went through the bumper. and one of the first things that the ntsb said, and this was four and a half years ago, was that the positive train control system would have automatically alerted the engineer to the train's speed and stopped it. and i don't think with all the train accidents that have happened and what congress has done to delay the implementation of positive train control, i
don't think this can be understated at this point. >> you're absolutely right. we understand that there is a federal mandate that that be installed on all passenger trains rail areas by 2018. there are issues of funding. we'll talk about that a little more in the show. but thank you very much for giving us some of your expertise on this. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate it. thank you very much. lots of information coming in from eyewitnesses. and now starting to get things from potential investigators. many making note of the train's speed as it roared into the station. trace gallagher's braking it down for us. hey, trace. >> and just for your conversation talking about, shannon, for the record trains do have black boxes, event recorders at least, most of them too. there's no voice recorder but there's a data recorder which will give investigators a full rundown of dozens of parameters on how the train was operating, crash, if the brakes were applied, when the brakes were applied and if they were properly working. now, last year the cbs local station in new york did a study on train speeds in the metro new york area including new jersey,
long island and connecticut. they found that trains entering the stations should be going no more than 20 to 25 miles per hour. but instead were coming in as fast as 38 miles per hour. now, as you talked about there's been a major national push to install ptc positive train control on trains and tracks across the country. ptc is a system that automatically slows trains down at places like sharp turns or coming into stations. congressman daited ptc be fully implemented to 2015, extended it now to 2018, but it's still very unlikely to happen considering that right now only 29% of passenger trains and 12% of passenger train tracks are actually equipped with ptc, the new jersey train line does not yet have it. finally, i want to give you an idea of exactly where in the terminal this train crashed. it happened in terminal five.
it's right by the rail concourse in the direction people would be walking to get from other tracks to the path train that comes in to manhattan. it is also right by the ticket terminal, so it stands to be one of the most crowded parts of the concourse. so, yes, speed sounds like a major contributing factor. now the question, shannon, for everybody is why it did not slow down. shannon. >> that's the key to this whole thing. trace, thank you very much for breaking that down for us. >> yep. >> and as he mentioned, most -- actually, none of new jersey transit's trains are fully equipped with that positive train control, so are politics a part of why trains don't have it? ed henry is looking into that. and this deadline we keep hearing about 2018 that keeps getting pushed back by congress. why? >> the ntsb is launching a go team to hoboken, new jersey, to investigate the crash of a new jersey transit train that occurred at approximately 9:00 a.m. this morning. ♪
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the positive train control system no doubt can be a benefit depending on the circumstances. and what we're saying here is we don't know what the circumstances were that caused the train to continue at that rate of speed. it could be any number of things. >> new york governor andrew cuomo talking about a system called positive train control.
it is designed to slow down a train automatically in an emergency. so now there's a blame game already underway in washington over this disaster. house minority leader nancy pelosi criticizing her fellow lawmakers for voting to delay that system's implementation on rail lines all across the country. ed henry is live in washington. ed, after that horrific amtrak crash in philly, congress demanded that all trains get these safety systems and do it quickly. there have been deadlines. what happened? >> washington kicking the can down the road. imagine that, with no accountability, shannon. congress had rushed to mandate after that crash, you're right, in 2015, that killed eight people. that every train in america get positive train control. basically an automatic braking system, by the end of 2015. then they delayed it. democrat nancy pelosi today, as you noted, railed against the delay just hours ago but didn't tell the whole story. watch. >> i don't think we should have extended the deadline, the trains were still running. if you're going to extend the
deadline, then stop the trains because the risk is there. it's about time congress faced its responsibilities when it comes to the safety of the american people. >> well, now, the rest of the story, in october of 2015, leaders in both parties, including pelosi, signed off on a deal that would, quote, if you look at the language, extend the deadline for installation of ptc to december 31st, 2018, allowing an additional three years to railroads to complete this process. revised implementation plans are due within 90 days of enactment of this bill. at the end of this period the secretary of transportation would have the authority on a case by case basis to grant railroads up to an additional two years to complete the implementation of ptc. so what that's saying is the end of 2018 is what the law pushed it back to. but on top of that maybe two years more. so that means the end of 2020 for some railroads. and guess what, they did all this by voice vote, not a role call vote. so lawmakers didn't have to put their name to it.
and basically no accountability, shannon. >> yeah, again, also a surprising part of how washington works that you and i cover all the time. ed, what can you tell us anything more about exactly how the system would work in a crash like this one? >> this is important because most crashes are caused, experts say, by human error. an engineer has a heart attack or distracted by a cell phone. so several states like california and colorado already have these safety systems in place. here's what they're supposed to do, basically if it starts going too fast, they're meant to prevent derailments caused by excessive train speed, train-to-train collisions, train movements through track switches, ptc will not prevent vehicle accidents at grade crossings, not stop trains when people are on the tracks illegally and will not stop due to track or equipment malfunctions. how it works radio communications, gps, track signals to monitor where the train is, automatically stop or slow trains to prevent them from disobeying signals. derailments prevent them from
entering a track that's off limits. why is this taking so long? it seems so simple. the industry says much of this technology did not exist before congress got involved and started mandating you got to get this done by the end of 2015. so they basically are moving it back because the technology is just simply not in place yet, shannon. >> well, this highlights the need for it every time something tragic like this happens. ed henry live for us in washington. good to see you. fox news alert now both presidential candidates have reacted to the accident in hoboken. hillary clinton saying this just a short time ago at a rally in iowa. >> i was terribly upset this morning to learn about a train crash in new jersey. that's very personal to me, i live in new york. people commute in to new york from new jersey. we had about 100 commuters injured and one died. i just want to send our thoughts and prayers to them because it's
a horrible accident that ran into the dee poe and caused all kinds of damage. so i want to lift up the people of new jersey and new york today. >> donald trump responding too, tweeting this, my condolences to those involved in today's horrible accident in new jersey. and my deepest gratitude to all of the amazing first responders. >> a career railroad worker spoke about what he saw this morning that left him stunned. >> i've been an engineer for 17 years. i know brakes. it was quiet really. it was just quiet. i think there was not a lot of people there either because maybe they got on the trains and left, but it was kind of quiet. i remember hearing a kaboom and it sounds like a bomb, man. if you didn't see the train there, if you came out and didn't see the train, you would swear it was a bomb. that's what it sounded like. all i know is i ran over there and tried to help but everybody
was coming over there. but we were told to get back while they were pulling people out of the train. >> jim hall is former chairman of the ntsb, joins us now by phone. jim, thank you so much for your time today. if you are leading the investigation, and we know there's a team already on the way, what are the critical pieces of evidence you'll be looking for? >> well, of course they'll be looking for any type of information in terms of the infrastructure involved around the accident. >> and i understand there is, we talked about something that's sort of like a black box we think of as in airplanes, something similar on a train. would there be video at all in the car where the conductor would be operating, do you know? >> i do not know. but that obviously will be evidence that the investigators will be trying to collect. >> and you had so many people here that were involved on this train, we know more than 100
wound up at local hospitals being treated, others were stunned and sort of left the situation and went to find another way to get to their job in the city. how do you use witness accounts to try to put together finding some answers? >> well, this is all part of a very detailed investigation. but, shannon, this is not of course the first time that the ntsb has investigated these accidents, similar accidents to this. and since the 1980s we have been making recommendations for positive train control. and we'll have to see and wait for the results of this investigation. but the bottom line is as a nation we have failed to invest in our infrastructure. and an event like this should not occur. >> yeah, and you talk about that. and you know that washington is always fighting over budget priorities. we saw them just yesterday pass a short-term funding resolution that will keep the government going. but everybody's competing for something that they say is the most important thing we need to handle, whether it's
infrastructure or taking care of our veterans in the v.a., any number of things. we're $20 trillion in debt, how do you make a case that this should be the top priority now? >> well, i think safety is extremely important. the northeast corridor is extremely important to the economy of the entire nation. and, again, we have failed to invest in that corridor and the safety measures that would prevent tragedies like this from occurring. >> all right. jim hall, we thank you so much, former ntsb chairman for sharing some time with us today. we know you'll watch as we will as this investigation proceeds. thank you, sir. >> thank you. all right. many of the injured still in critical condition as some passengers describe the harrowing scene. >> how did you get out of the train? >> i had to climb out the side window. >> was it already opened? >> no, we had to kick it out, yeah. >> somebody else kicked it out? >> yeah, it was just -- people
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shepherd smiard smith. the latest on a train derailment or crash in new jersey. we'll get a live report and speak to a passenger on board. shepard smith reporting. see you then. medical trauma teams swinging into action as the wounded were taken to local hospitals. >> so far we've had three trauma patients arrive who are in serious condition and being treated by our trauma surgeon. we've also brought all of our sub specialists, on board so
we each of these patients. in addition to the three serious patients, we have eight other patients who are being treated in the emergency department who are less serious, and we have about 40 patients who have been brought over by bus who are kind of like the walking wounded, right? and we are triaging those patients and treating them actually we set up our cafeteria to be able to treat those patients. we anticipate the majority of those patients are going to be discharged. >> chairman of medicine and vice president of newark best israel medical center, professor at rutgers new jersey medical school and emergency responder himself, glad to have you with us here today. >> glad to be here, shannon. >> i understand you know more about how the patients are being triages and how you tackled this level of a mass tragedy. >> this was quite amazing because within three minutes all of jersey city's ems people were responding. and many of them had arrived. the most important thing in ems, when you get to a scene like this is to make sure the scene is safe. and there were a lot of dangling
wires and things that had to be shored up. so that gave everybody a little bit of pause. as you heard this was a push train, so the first four cars contain passengers, so the passengers in the first car took the brunt of the injuries. now, i'm happy to hear that out of the 108 injured that there are only about 70 that were of concern. and we tagged them. we have green tags, yellow tags, red tags. so most of the patients got green tags and they were put on a new jersey transit bus and taken to the emergency room for evaluation. those who were not evaluated on the scene. and then we have red tags which are the more severely injured. and what i've heard from the ems directors is that the three that were taken and are now in surgery are mostly fractures. so they're expected to do very, very well and survive. the one individual, which was a lady who was on the platform was injured by falling debris, which is precisely what we're afraid of when we respond to scenes like this. >> right. because there was so much structural damage. we saw governor christie talking about that and the fact they
won't move one inch to reopen that area until they can make sure that building is shored up. there were wires down, all kinds of things. >> all kinds of stuff. >> but governor cuomo said repeatedly that he was sort of surprised that the injuries weren't more expansivexpansive, weren't more fatalities, there weren't more critically injured. when you look at those pictures, what's your takeaway? >> considering you don't wear seat belts in train cars. >> right. >> this was amazing. because as i said, the first car of the four cars took the brunt of the crash. so you would have expected everybody to have left their seat and hit the walls. but there were mostly green tags. and they were put on new jersey transit bus and treated either at the scene or in the emergency room. which by the way jersey city medical center, took parts of the cafeteria, which we did in past tragedietragedies, to use e centers and treatment centers. >> we know that the medical professionals and first responders around here like you are schooled at the top levels
in how to handle this. and you've done it so well many times. thanks for lending us some of your expertise. thank you, sir. we are awaiting a donald trump rally in bedford, new hampshire. we're going to see if he addresses this train accident. we'll see if he has more to say as we get more details. and firsthand accounts from people who saw the train crash. we're going to hear from one of those eyewitnesses next. the officers said they did anyone see the engineer. and i was standing there, we started looking around and somebody said no. so i think one of the jersey transit employees might have been a manager, walked over and looked up in the cab. and i walked over with him, but i was a little further away, i could see his shirt he was slouched over in the cab of the engine.
sounds ick like went out and didn't stop and people falling over who are standing, and just the roof came down, popped down, caved in. >> how close was that to you? >> i was right there. like right next to where i was. >> witnesses describing the terrifying moments that train barreled into the station in hoboken, new jersey. here's video shot by our next guest minutes after the disaster struck. mon yucca, as you made your way out of the train and started to see the pictures we're seeing and the dang -- damage, did it dawn on you here serious the accident had been? what was it like? >> great question. as soon as i step off the train and on to the platform i thought everything was find. once i turned towards the front of the car, i realized
everything was not okay. the car was totally veered off the platform and almost into the ceiling. the ceiling collapsed. beams were sticking out. pipes burst and water powering pouring out. people were injured and bleeding and it settled in that this was a pretty traumatic. i was in a state of shock for most of the time i was in the train station. walking through people who are bleeding and injured. and now looking back at the photos that what it looked like but so -- it was out of a movie, like a scene unfolding in front of me. >> i understand you were in the last car which would have taken the least of the impact, and the first car was at 45 angle. had gone upward, hit the ceiling, and caused the trouble with the structural damage. so, from the impact you had --
did you feel any slowing down at all and when you did have impact -- you came to an abrupt stop but didn't realize the impact. >> i saw us pulling into the station, the first thing is was doing was picking up my bag, getting up, standing up and then i'm caught up -- thrown forward by an abrupt stop. i wasn't injured but there was a gentleman next to me who was standing in the aisle and was toppledded over, kind of a face plant, and people were following forward. i was not hurt at all. >> what kind of injuries did you see when you made your way out of the station. >> the first gentleman i saw was cradling his hands. they were very bloody, and i noticed a woman had a broken nose, almost a busted face, and once i was outside, it was
worse, people on the ground, cuts on the heads and one of the worst things was a much older gentleman being hoisted into an ambulance, a deep cut above his eye, gushing blood and also in a days. didn't seem like the was craig or screaming. he was just sitting there. >> from what we have heard and seen there were first responders quickly on the scene. sounds like passenger ares helped each other. what was your experience? >> yeah. so, first thing i was thinking, what just happened, what aim supposed to be doing? i should be helping at well itch saw train workers and conductors pulling people out of the window of the first car. most were being pushing out. outside people were helping each other, pressing down on wounds or holding are their hands. kind of inspiring to see that.
as soon as the crash happened this morning commuters began flooding social media with images. leisel was trying to make a connecting train and she said if the first train had been on time she would have been right there in that area during the impact. chris posted a photo from the platform, calling the scene unbelievable and horrific. libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson making head of his latest flub. he couldn't name a single foreign leader he could look up to, calling it another aleppo.
he said it's been 4 hours and can't come up with a foreign leader i look up to. here's shep. >> it is noon on the west coast, 3:00 in new hampshire where we're soon to hear from donald trump. hillary clinton campaigning in ohio today. we look at the time latest polls to see how the campaigns are trying to gain ground. america is on track to cast more ballots in early voting than during the last presidential election. and we're monitoring developments from the devastating train crash in new jersey that killed at least one, sent dozens to happens and the engineer is cooperating with investigators. let's get to it. we begin with the latest on the crash.