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election, "special report" sunday 8:00 p.m. don't miss that. "on the record" with brit hume starts in four seconds. ♪ ♪ hello, and welcome back. i'm brit hume. and this is "on the record." first, scientific polling done after monday's scientific debate shows hillary clinton winning it by a wide margin. but, the polling average indicates that while she has gained ground, the race remains quite close. the real clear politics average shows her leading 7.5. the betting odds have shifted in her favor and stand right 28.2 and 25.8 on heroin. brand new fox news poll thought she won. a new gallup poll had her winning by a similar margin 61 to 27 as you can see
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there. our poll had mrs. clinton creeping ahead of mr. trump in a two-way race 49% to 44% that compared with the last poll this month in which mr. trump led 46 to 45 as you see there. in for more on the polling and what it tells us, founder and publisher of real clear politics joins me tonight from chicago. tom, thanks, new polls could show us quite a bit about the race going forward. what do you see? >> well, obviously, it looks like clinton is benefiting from the debate performance though. it remains to be seen how much. as you said it's fascinating that viewers thought she won the debate in the fox poll 3 to 1. and, yet, her lead in that four-way race only went up by 2 points. that shows just how ties this race is and dedivided the country is even with the strong debate performance
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like she in the first debate it didn't move the numbers on the needle that much. >> i think actually that number says 61/31. i think it's 61/21. i think that's a mistake in graphics there, folks. disregard that we will take that off the screen. so, you don't see her that there is a decisive shift here, do you? >> not so much. i mean, what she was able to do if you dig in the guts of the new fox news, sh fox poll. she was able to win over the demographic groups that she was already winning. won over a little bit more young voters, more women, more minorities. those folks who are maybe a little soft on her. she drew them in to the fold. whether they are going to stay there over the course of the next five to six weeks remains to be seen. she didn't move the needle very much independents and trump's numbers, despite the fact that, again, a lot of his supporters didn't think he had the best debate. his numbers didn't move at all.
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40% two weeks ago and 40% now. >> what do you think accounts for the fact that the debate ruled, decisive win for clinton, didn't seem to hurt mr. trump very much? >> we are trying to figure that out. what it means is his supporters were locked. in they were not going to be swayed unless he fell off the stage which he didn't do. he didn't do anything to disqualify himself and so this race is going to continue. and i think independents, again, democrats went in to that debate liking hillary clinton. they thought she had a great performance and some democrats liked her more. republicans went in, favoring donald trump and not likes clinton and despite the outcome of that debate they are still in trump's camp and i think that's probably good sign for trump. >> we get frequent complaints, tom, about the polling in which people believe that democrats are oversampled and republicans
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are under sampled. i took a look at that number. and i think we may have it to put up on the screen it showed that it was 42% of those polled said they were democrats. 38 percent said republican. that is roughly in line with the division in the country that we have seen in other polls. gallup had a poll earlier this year that had something like 42 percent said they were independents. between those who identified as democrats and republicans it was like 29, 26. that's roughly in line with what we see. which means i think we can probably consider that these results are pretty straight. >> sure. i agree with that and, again, that's one of the things, you know, as you stake -- i always tell people i sound like a broken world, i know. take the data in the aggregate. look at the real clear politics average for this stuff. and it will all sort of come out in the wash. but i think you are right about that. and even, again, brit, telling viewers to remember that this poll had a 3% margin of error. these numbers, while they come off looking exactly scientific.
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they are actually representing a range of things. so this race could be tied or clinton could be up 6 points. right now in four-way race in latest fox poll she is ahead by three. >> tom, thanks very much. >> you bet. >> so this margin for mrs. clinton, is this just a temporary bounce or could it be something more? our political panel is here from national review, jonah goldberg and from "the washington examiner" susan ferrechio. what leaped out at you as you looked at the numbers. >> i agree with tom bevan. it didn't move the needle much for trump. this is where he has been pretty much the whole race. he didn't do much during this debate. he didn't do what really he needed to do, which was break in to the undecided voters, break in to some of the people who he has not been able to bring on to his side. he had many opportunities to do that during the debate, he didn't do it. he got nowhere basically whereas clinton was able to, i don't think she had really an outstanding debate performance either.
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but she was pretty confident, adequate. she looked composed and able to avoid any of these attacks from trump that would have potentially wrought her numbers down. so she was able to win out a little bit. that's why we see the polls looking pretty tight. this 40%, i think it would take a lot to lose some of these 40%. we make the joke he could do just about anything and he would still be at 40 percent that debate performance i didn't think was going to move any numbers for him. >> jonah. >> i generally agree with that one of the things we lose sight of because it's boyary debate we say one was the clear winner we think that translates into she did really well it could be if you are faced with the choice between cold grewell and hot grewell, hot grue grool is a little better. clinton won. i think most people thought she decisively won. but that didn't but she
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wasn't inspiring or compelling. she was very good about planting some bait for donald trump. >> which he seemed to take, i guess. >> which turned out to be pretty easy to do. one thing to popped out in the poll is given how much awful of us talk about change election, change election. immigration is hot button issue this is the not the electorate that tracks with all that punditry. hillary clinton is beating trump on most of his issues. >> that was true throughout the primary season, too. we kept looking state by state as we went through the primaries to see how people ranked issues. and immigration was near the bottom nearly every time. i think the highest percentage was in new hampshire, maybe where it was -- where 11% of the voters up there said that immigration was their number one issue. yet, trump campaigned heavily on it. i wonder if that issue doesn't get subsumed with
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what people feel about the economy. >> immigration effects each state differently. >> new hampshire is the one where it had the my highest numbers or one of the very highest. >> that's true. other thing interesting about that poll you asked what stuck out for me was jonah and i were talking about this in the green room just the vast majority of voters saying they were going to the polls to vote out of fear of the other candidate of winning. they weren't going to the polls because they really like hillary clinton or they really are supportive of grump. they are going to the polls because they're afraid the other candidate is going to win. hold your nose election. i don't like my candidate but i really don't like this other candidate even more. it's a real indictment of what this campaign season has been about. >> these are the two most unpopular major party nominees in american history. at least since the invention of polling. it shows. you find it on the right. you find it on the left. people are not enthusiastic about this. neither one of them if they win is going to have a very
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powerful mandate. particularly i think hillary clinton because hillary clinton is campaigning at this point the only issue that really resonates with most of her supporters is she is not donald trump. >> wow. thanks to the panel. we will see you later. donald trump is in michigan today where new detroit news poll shows hillary clinton has 7 point lead. trump campaign obviously not giving up on that state. chief political correspondent carl cammeron is covering mr. trump and reports from novi, michigan. carl? >> hi, brit. the rally is over here. big crowd, several thousand. and trump has come to michigan now five times. and for democrats, hillary clinton hasn't been here very much. as you point out, the new detroit daily news -- detroit news poll shows that clinton has a leave here of about 7%. and for trump, michigan is an obvious place to try to compete. he talks a lot about trade. he talks a lot about jobs. trade and jobs have not been a strong suit for michigan for a long, long time. he is courting the reagan
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democrats and blue collar folks here and got a very, very raucous reception. and tonight he gave a tell prompt member speech stuck to it for the most part. stayed away from the controversy of miss universe. aids pressuring him to stay away from some of the fallout from the debate. he did have one new line tonight, a rather extraordinary challenge to president obama. watch this. no sound. i'm sorry, i thought we had a sound bite there. i apologize, brit. what he said was he challenged the president to pledge to not pardon hillary clinton and her five aides and associates who got immunity in the email investigation. now, they haven't been charged with anything. but the crowd went bananas over that it's interesting, too. because before he had this event he stopped by the
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gerald ford presidential library and museum. of course, gerald ford gave a pardon to richard nixon and he comes to the podium here just a little while after that visit. and challenges president obama to not do the same thing for hillary clinton which is something no one has discussed other than donald trump tonight, brit. >> carl, thank you very much. now to florida where there is a new mason dixon poll of likely voters. showing hillary clinton up four points over donald trump in a four-way race. this report comes as there are reports the clinton campaign is almost desperate to get black voters to turn out in november. that is not the only minority group clinton is focused thereon in light of recent revelations about donald trump and the cuba embargo. fox news jennifer griffin is in choral springs tonight. jennifer? >> brit, it's also that the clinton campaign is courting the cuban community. this is interesting because cubans in florida typically vote republican. it's an interesting strategy. part of that campaign -- part of that strategy is
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that they are looking at this story that was the front page of the miami herald today, first reported by "newsweek" about donald trump allegedly breaking the cuba embargo in the late 1990s. they are hoping that could turn off cuban voters. >> efforts that trump was making to get into the cuban market, putting his business interest ahead of the laws of the united states and requirement that businesses were operating under because of the sanctions, shows that he put his personal and business interests ahead of the laws and the values and the policies of the united states of america. >> so we decided to ask cuban voters about the story, outside versailles coffee shop a favorite campaign stop for both parties in little havana. trump was here just a few days ago. here's what they told us. >> will this news report
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change people's votes? >> i don't think so. they are going to vote republican. all people, all people. >> all the cuban. >> most of the old cuban people. >> will vote republican. >> will vote republican. believe me, i have been here 30 years. >> do you think this news story about trump breaking the cuban embargo would effect voters at some place like here where there is a large cuban community? >> i do think so. i think the cuban people feel very passionate about the cuban embargo. i do think that may sway some votes. >> younger millennial cubans that we found tend to vote democrats. two thirds of americans. clinton made another stop today at coral springs. >> i wanted to say a few words about the tragic passing of jose fernandez.
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you know, when he left cuba, did he not speak a word of english. he didn't let that stop him. >> paying tribute to the starting marlins florida pitcher jose fernandez who was killed in a boating accident. he was laid to rest just yesterday, brit. now, another poll that came out here, the mason dixon poll shows clinton four points ahead of trump. what is interesting about that poll is that among independents trump polls much stronger, 41% to 33%. and as you know, independence usually decide florida's election. >> i suppose it probably helps mr. trump a little bit on the cuban embargo story that mrs. clinton was part of an administration that basically is trying to end every phase of that embargo presumably she supports that policy. >> well, exactly. i think cubans have long memories here. and the older cubans that we
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talked to, the 75 and 80-year-olds, even 65 and older, they certainly do not plan to vote for hillary clinton from what we could tell. >> okay, jennifer. thank you very much. right now let's speed read some other news in the world of politics. it turns out donald trump was right when he complained about his microphone during monday's presidential debated. some sniffles were picked up by the microphone and after the debate ended trump said he may have been given a defective mike on purpose. today the commission on presidential debates said, quote. regarding the first debate there were issues regarding donald trump's audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall. former vermont governor howard dean has apologized for debate tweet and suggested donald trump's sniffling was due to campaign. notice trump sniffing all the time? coke user? question mark? and this morning on msnbc. governor dean said quote i apologize for using innuendo. i don't think it's a good thing to do. i don't think it's the right thing to do. donald trump's charitable foundation may not legally
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be allowed to legally accept money from its new york office. "the washington post is reporting that according to new york state attorney general's office that donald trump foundation does not have the proper certification to solicit money. we'll talk more about this with our political panel a little bit later. jeb bush is not happy that kathleen kennedy townsend posted on' he will vote for hillary clinton. jeb did not deny the clinton vote but says it was inappropriate to overhear his father and immediately post it to facebook. the remark was allegedly overheard at a charity event. jeb bush says kennedy townsend on that charity's board skipped the board meeting and immediately went on television. controversy erupted over a tweet that was meant to push 8 million americans living abroad to help keep donald trump out of the white house. a tweet from the official news agency of the u.n. was sent out that read, quote. u.s. citizens abroad could defeat trump if they voted along with a link that urges
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americans to vote within 20 minutes of the initial posting. the tweet was deleted. the u.n. spokesman was unsure how that tweet posted in the first place and the incident is now under investigation. donald trump has issued a warning to all his followers about what he calls the dishonest media. what is his latest media attack? that's next. also, donald trump middle of the night tweet storm, it's not over yet. our "on the record" political panel will be back straight ahead. it's easy to love your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax.
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don't believe, questions quote, sources said by the very dishonest media. if they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist. the pulitzer prize winner joins me now from new york. good evening, how are you. >> good. >> it's not the first time it's been raised even by some in the journalism community. >> well, sure, there are some journalists who site anonymous sources i wouldn't believe sources "on the record." others are reliable and do
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foot work, leg work and you know they are not going to make things up. you tend to trust them. if it's a good, reliable journalist, i would tend to believe when he or she says i'm talking to sources in the campaign, it has some credibility. so, i wouldn't dismiss it out of sorts. >> well, what do you think about the -- you know, the antipathy toward the media that we are hearing from donald trump? it's a favorite talking point. >> it is. >> crowds like it. particularly republican crowds, obviously. >> yeah. >> and i can remember going back to 1992 there was a bumper sticker and i'm sure you will remember it too ignore the media reelect bush. rure that? on balance, is this good politics whether it's fair criticism or not? >> it might be good politics with a certain segment of his voting supporters, but i don't think this is what trump should be focusing on, frankly. and particularly not at 3:00 a.m. tweets or 4:00 a.m. tweets. i think he should be focused on going after clinton and her record. and the distraction -- it's
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a distraction to say oh, don't believe those stories. just let those stories go. ignore them. >> well, you know there is an issue. there is a question, i think, about this campaign as to whether donald trump is well able to distinguish issues that even though he may be dead right on them, don't really help him. >> i agree. >> from issues that really do help him. >> yeah. i think you saw that with the tweets this morning. on alicia machado. this is an issue that he should have put away in the debate or certainly the next day with one or two sentences saying this is something i said 20 years ago. this is the miss universe contestant. something i said 20 years ago. i said some things maybe i shouldn't have. but that isn't relevant to what we are talking about today. so why is miss clinton focusing on it so much. let's talk about the fact that she supports higher taxes and supports the president's healthcare plan. that's where he should be focusing. instead, is he going to be defense and talking about
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himself and if his record and his statements are the issue in this campaign, is he going to lose. >> you know, even ann coulter who is his ardent as supporter of donald trump as there is, and, of course, being the flame throwing columnist and commentator and all around hell raiser in politics, was saying yesterday, in her column, that when trump talks about the issues, he wins. and when he talks about himself he loses. i think there may be some evidence of that. >> i don't think there is any doubt about that. whenever you have seen trump go after one of these side issues that involve something he said or somebody he was in a fight with, whether it's judge curjudgecurl or khans. hillary clinton with this attack bringing in alicia machado. they are trying to den greats women and treats them poorly. why talking about this again and again, trump just reinforces that he ought to
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move on and get on to something where is he on offense and that means, i think, talking about the economy. national security. >> yeah. i think that -- i suspect there are advisors in his camp who are urgently encouraging him to do just that paul, it's always good to see you. thank you. i hope you will come back. >> thanks a lot, brit. >> you bet. of course don't miss the journal editorial report. it's a good show. comes on 3:00 p.m. this saturday. if you are watching a football game or something else, can you record it. there may have been much more behind the scenes wheeling and dealing during the iran hostage transfer and it goes all the way up to the white house. we go to 1600 pennsylvania avenue next. please stay tuned. "special report" sunday, the campaigns are working overtime. and as election news breaks, bret baier is live. powerful reports, exclusive interviews. >> covering every minute. don't miss "special report" sunday. ...only allstate sends you a bonus check
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financial department as linchpin of iran's missile program. >> we conducted a very they're row review. in essence updated what we knew about bank septa. and whether they qualify. and it was our assessment that they did qualify. they were no longer carrying out actions that we believed were linked to or linked them to the ballistic missile program. >> key in the selling of the iran nuclear deal, two summers ago were assurances from senior u.s. officials that u.n. sanctions on entities related to iran's ballistic missile program would continue to reign in that program. even if the nuclear deal didn't cover ballistic missiles. those assurances sounded like this. >> the sanctions on their arms trade. sanctions on ballistic missile technology remain in many places to come under the glun the "wall street journal" reported in january 2016, the same day that the u.s. paid
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400 million in hard foreign currency to the regime, in several u.s. hostages were set free from iran, a top state department official quietly signed a deal agreeing to allow the u.s. to lift sanctions on bank septa and another iranian bank 8 years ahead of that the nuclear deal set out. iran's ballistic missile program has expanded aggressively with four confirmed tests. the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee told fox news iran keeps changing the terms of the deal and the administration keeps, quote, getting rolled. >> iran not only made these demands at the end of the negotiation or after they completed the initial negotiation, but, frankly, iran continues to make additional demands and continues to violate the very agreement that the administration pushed. >> and just as they say the $400 million in hard foreign currency was not ransom to secure the release of those
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hostages. aids to president obama deny that this separate site deal involving lifting of u.n. sanctions on bank septa had anything to do lift releasing those hostages came one day after the implementation of the nuclear deal, brit. >> let's turn to former ambassador to the united nations john bolton. mr. ambassador, what do you make of that. >> this is simply one more piece of evidence at how wretched this entire iran nuclear deal it is. how involved it is with many other aspects of objection nabil iranian behavior over the years. the capture of hostages. capture of ballistic missiles unique and sole purpose is to be a delivery system for the nuclear weapons. it shows that the obama administration was prepared to pay essentially any price to get that deal. and that's what they did and they kept it from congress and the american public because they knew what the reaction would be. >> the bank was associated
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with the financing of the nuclear program, right? >> and the ballistic missile program. >> more importantly perhaps or more clearly. you heard the state department spokesman say well, we really looked into what that bank was up to and we decided it was -- didn't really qualify to have sanctions on it anymore. what do you say about that argument? >> it certainly is a tribute to the fbi office of tehran bank records and look at it. look. this is also a demonstration that what the administration, the bush administration did the same thing called targeted sanctions simply don't work. let's say bank septa was a financier for the ballistic missile program finance our ballistic missile program anymore? no, they used other vehicles. so in the past three years, before the deal was implemented, was bank septa involved in ballistic missile transactions? maybe not, because they were yoursing another vehicle. so to say that you have been fooled by the iranian's
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ability to conceal their financial techniques and you are going to now allow this bank legitimacy to get back into the international market, you might as well not have any sanctions at all as to have these targeted sanctions. >> there was conversation on capitol hill yesterday i would like you to listen to with me. it went on for a little bit. it was about syria. and what the administration was going to do and what it has referred to as plan b for dealing with the collapse of the cease-fire over there. and going forward. let's listen. >> >> i would like to understand what plan b is. the mysterious plan b that has been referred to since february. mysterious plan b that was suppose to be leverage to get russia to quit killing innocent people to. get assad to quit killing innocent people. just explain to us the elements of plan b. >> two things, mr. chairman.
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in the first instance, plan b is the consequence of the failure as a result of russia's actions of plan a. in that what is likely to happen now, if the agreement cannot be followed through on and russia reneges totallien its commitments. >> which it has. >> which it appears to have done. >> okay. >> is this is going, of course, to be bad for everyone, but it's going to be bad first and foremost. >> i want to hear about plan b. i understand all the context here. >> i think, sir, this is important, because russia has a profound incentive in trying to make this work. it can't win in syria. it can only prevent assad from losing. if this now gets to the point where the civil war actually accelerates, all of the outside patrons are going to throw in more and more weaponry against russia. russia will be left propping up assad in every smaller piece of syria.
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>> i understand that. what is plan b. give me the elements of plan b, so, two things, again, the consequences, i think, to russia, as well as to the regime will begin to be felt as a result of plan a. not being implemented because of russia's actions. second, as i indicated, the president has asked all of the agencies to put forward options, some familiar, some new, that we are very actively reviewing. when we are able to work through these, in the days ahead, we'll have an opportunity to come back and talk about them in detail. but we are in the process of doing that. >> okay. so let me just say what we already know. there is no plan b. [ laughter ] >> mr. ambassador, your thoughts? >> i think senator corker is guilty of war crimes of intentionally humiliating and shaming tony. they don't have a clue what plan b is. for five years the obama
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administration has believed that the russians want to work to ease assad out of power and have peaceful in syri. they spent five years trying to cut the deal that is once again breaking down. so, of course, they can't understand what's happening because they have had a grocery incorrect world view from the beginning. there isn't any plan b except maybe beg the russians a little bit harder. >> what could -- i guess there is nothing he could have said they had no plan, right? >> i think what he said was we are going to get a plan in a couple of days and i will get back to you on it. >> they have believed incorrectly all this time that we could resolve the conflict in syria because the russians, too, want a peaceful resolution and to move assad out of power. it has never been the russian's position to allow that to happen. they are never going to allow it to happen. they are succeeding in syria. their influence is increasing. ours has about disappeared. >> ambassador bolton thank you very much. >> thank you. >> one public university wants to change the look of
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moss scott. the school wants the mascot to smile more. to keep students nurtured and calm. campus craziness is coming up next. ♪
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that means. students have called on mandatory racist courses. a student group known as antiracism met with the university president to discuss plans for the course. the student to ho supports the class racial justice is just as importance as mathematics, english and science needs to be treated as such. the decision to add the class is up to the back kuehl at this senate. students who want to write chalk message on the appalachian state university will find they are apparently not protected by the first amendment. revised pro-donald trump messages appeared on campus. the campus reform published chalkings online. permission to chalk is limited to recognized student organizations and university departments, end quote. in an email to students published by campus reform, the university chancellor
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sherri everett said free speech is encouraged but quote university administrators can support free speech while also taking a stand. the university tells fox news that the rule change did follow the pro-trump chalkings, but there were other chalkings as well. and here's a viewer-submitted story. a professor at the university of iowa says the school mascot herky the hawk needs to be changed a professor at the university asked the school's athletic department to make the mascot smile more because i believe incoming students should be met with welcoming, nurturing, calm, accepting and happy messages. according to the press citizen the professor's intention, quote, is to bring diversity to how hurky feels not to eliminate the competitive go getter hurky. we made changes to see if what it has in. respects the professor but doesn't plan to change the
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mascot. if you have a campus craziness story let us know. we would be very grateful to hear from you. there aren't too many people who can make a president wait except for another president. after the funeral of shimon peres. president obama was forced to wait on the tarmac while president clinton boarded air force 1. take a look. that folks, is some presidential patience. how did donald trump spend its early morning hours today. he sent off a series of tweets talk his feud with the former miss universe one step further. our political panel next. hey! and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. upgraded to our most d3 ever.
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a warning to viewers. this is not the most important subject, but it is one that both of the presidential candidates can't seem to stop talking about. donald trump spent his early morning on a twitter rant once again trump took aim at former miss universe alicia machado. trump tweeted this after 5:00 a.m. crooked hillary was duped. quoted her as an angel without checking her past, which is terrible. he followed up 15 minutes later with this did crooked hillary help disgusting check out sex tape and past. alicia m. become a u.s. citizen so she could use her in the debate. a few notes followed by. this what kind of man stays up all night to smear a woman with lies and conspiracy theories? and trump had a response for that? for those few people knocking me for tweeting at 3:00 in the morning, at least you know i will be
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there awake to answer the call. political panel is back from national review jonah goldberg and fro from "the washington examiner" susan father rish riccio. hillary has been critical of the way donald trump apparently tweeted alicia machado all had to do while she was miss universe she gained too much weight in his view. we have some video from the time and it puts a little different light on how he acted toward her. let's take a look at it? >> alicia is like me and like a lot of other people, i love to eat. we all love to eat. not all of you but some of are you lucky. we eat, we like to eat. and she had tremendous pressure put on her with the win and everything else. plus she was going from country to country all foreign places and it was a huge amount of pressure. some people when they have pressure don't eat. and some people when they have pressure eat too much. like me. but like alicia. >> he went on to say that he and alicia and her personal trainer were going to work on her weight and get her back as looking as beautiful
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as ever for the following year's pageant. so, folks, how long can this keep going on, susan? >> first of all, this started on monday night at the debate when hillary clinton brought up the fact that i had at one point in the distant past referred to her as miss piggy, i think. >> yeah. and miss housekeeper. >> miss housekeeper, yeah. >> this is alleged. we don't have any proof that he actually said those things. >> right. >> alicia machado says it, hillary says it but that's it. >> the bait went out and trump took it here we are on friday night and this thing is not over. and, really, it's less about this one particular incident than it is just about the pattern that everyone now is familiar with trump, which is to take the bait, and not only just take the bait, just not let it go. make things worse for a while, and then have it go away for a while until something else happens. and that, i think, is what the pattern we are seeing
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for this. >> i think that's right. it really is sort of silly to talk about the bait in a certain way. the fact is that the great white took it and now you have got it talk about what the great white is doing to get off the hook. and this points to fundamental problem that donald trump has. when he is punching up, he is winning. that's how he won the primary. he took on jeb who was this big frontrunner. took on the rnc, washington establishment and powers that be. he look great. looked like a hero to his fans. when he punches down, he looks really really bad. we learned that with the khans, we are learning that with this. looks very unpresidential and beneath him and looks like he doesn't have a good temperament. needs to learn how to stop taking bait like this. you know there are going to be loot more attempts to bait him and every reason to believe they will glork now in addition to dueling tweets to the former miss universe. we have dueling issues foundations. both hillary clinton and
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donald trump both organizations have come under intense scrutiny 2016 election. today a new iss involving donald j. trump foundation it has never obtained the certification that new york state requires for a charity to solicit money from the foundation's new york office. that is according to the new york state attorney general's office your thoughts on this, jonah? >> well, i think in and of itself, this is not that big a story say for the fact that it reinforces other stories about the sort of shoddiness and slip shot way that foundation has been run. >> you are talking about the trump foundation. >> trump foundation. it undermines the i hire the best people thing. thee foundation stories kind of cancel each other out. >> a great deal has been learned about the bill and hillary clinton foundation and the way it's dealt with people and walking conflict of interest that lot of people felt the foundation automatically was. so does this really take that issue off the table in your view, susan? >> that, i think, is perhaps the biggest problem with this. it's like jonah said, in and of itself i don't think it's
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that big of a deal. if they do cancel each other out, in other words, if it makes it harder for trump to attack her or go after the next debate clinton foundation because he doesn't want to get the return fire on trump foundation. that's taking something out of his arsenal that could have been effective and powerful way to go after clinton. >> i think the clinton foundation is arguably much worse thing. >> i agree with that. >> the trump foundation sounds sleazy and self-dealing. the clinton foundation in violation of direct oshedz from the president, in violation of standard practices, was basically a giant slush fund. and sort of a super pac for the clinton foundation where she kept her cronies on payroll. you know, there is an ancient principle in political philosophy that any foundation that has sydney blowm that on the payroll is up to no good. >> sidney blumenthal is long time clinton friend, intimate and operative who enjoys here in washington and elsewhere not the greatest reputation for straight dealing. >> huh-uh. >> joanna, susan, thanks very much. coming up, there is no better way to end a workweek
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because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. miles from the latest we are getting on twitter. i was encouraged reading this one from jeff cupp who said if i didn't have but six months to live i would want to spend six months with you because that would be the longest six months of my life. was jonathan tuttle being entirely serious when he tweeted quote:
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coming up next. good night. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching this special election. four days since the blockbuster presidential debate. three days until the one and only vice presidential debate and two more showdowns between trump and clinton still loom with that back tropic, get to the story. donald trump on super charged offense. ignited a fresh controversy in the wee hours of the morning accusing former miss universe alicia machado of having a sex tape among other things that led hillary clinton to dewar on


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