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"fox & friends" all day for continuing vp debate coverage. >> you are heading down to -- >> heading down in about 15 minutes. get to the airport. >> she doesn't want to be late. >> i need to get to the airport. >> we need to see you tomorrow. so long, everybody. bill: donald trump set to take the stable in virginia after the "new york times" published one of his tax returns and apparently that's all the talk. melissa: i'm melissa francis in for martha maccallum. the 1995 return shows trump declared a near $1 billion loss that year and that could have allowed him legally not to pay thanks for up to 18 years. his advisers deserve praise.
>> my response is he's a genius. >> it was a perfectly legal application of the tax code and he would have been a fool not to take advantage of it. you have an obligation when you run a business to maximize the profits. if there is a tax law that says you can deduct it, you detective. if you fail to deduct it, people sue you. melissa: peter doocy is live in washington. what's the trump campaign saying about this? reporter: they are not even confirming trump was excused from paying taxes for 18 years. but they say the little information in these three pages show he knows a lot about the tax code. trump tweeted it shows i know a lot about the tax code more than
anyone, and i can the only one who can facial them. >> the genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law, which is exactly what he has done, and politically he has said he's going to change these laws, and there is no one better suited to change the laws. reporter: trump says in the time covered by these tax returns he was recreating jobs, and the only jobs hillary clinton was creating was at the d.o.j. and b.i. the times reporter who says she got these files in the mail from somebody she didn't know won't say if there are any others. the f.b.i. is warning that publishing anything like this without trump's permission is against the law. they said the only news is the
document was illegally obtained. and it shows the new york times is an extension of the clinton campaign. the "times" editor says he would go to prison if he put the trump papers in his newspaper. bill: want to bring in byron york. how are you doing, byron. you have had 36 hours to think about it. what's the effect on this, do you think? >> this is what the clinton campaign and the democratic party have been waiting for for a long time. they have been talking about donald trump's tax returns, now they have three pages from 1995.
we know trump was suffering terrible reverses in the early 1990s. his casinos were failing. the fact he lost a lot of money is not a huge surprise. $960 -- $916 million is a lot to lose. while the effect of the loss is a fact. there is a lot of speculation then trump might not have paid federal fo -- federal income tax for 18 years. it seems odd for rudy giuliani and others to talk about his business acumen in lose be $916 million. it could be wash for trump in the ends. bill: now trump could talk about
what his tax plan could do for every day americans. >> this is -- we have seen polling over months that has asked the public, should donald trump release his tax returns. every candidate since 1996 has done this. the polls are very strong. what you just said about him talking about his tax plan is a real point. think of every single trump and dealing that we had, judge curiel or alicia machado, the solution for trump to every one of these scandals is to go out and talk about these scandals. that what's he has declined to do in each of these policies. bill: this is a what if scenario.
270 to go over the top of the next president. '. clinton is 201 and trump 164. we believe if you take some of these battleground states listed in gray, we believe he has an next ohio, iowa, a slight advantage in north carolina, the the same for colorado and the same for nevada. hoik prr meanwhile -- let's say under this scenario she picks up wisconsin, and trump perhaps georgia and arizona stay in the republican column. this is where we are under this scenario in the real clear average in florida. she has a slight edge. it's too close to call down there. but she has a slight edge.
if that' the case. she has the easiest path. she needs to pick up new hampshire. so when you look at this. if trump were to take pennsylvania at 265, there would be a rush on manchester, new hampshire to try to figure out what happened. under this scenario it could be 269-269. a lot of these states are too close tofall call. florida could be critical for trump to have any shot. >> hillary clinton has always had a wider and shooter path than trump has had. there is zero, no non-florida scenario for trump to win the white house. he needs to win florida. there is a non-pennsylvania
scenario, he could probably get there with other states if he didn't win pennsylvania, but florida is critical. if the hillary clinton campaign can stop him there, she'll win the white house. martha melissa: keep it right here at fox news as the running mates take their turn in the spotlight in farmville, virginia. it features senator tim kaine and governor mike pence. melissa: hurricane matthew plowing through the caribbean as it shades towards jamaica and haiti. the category 4 storm becoming the strongest in the region
since 2011. forecasters warning some areas could see 40 inches of rain, causing concerns about mudslides and widespread flooding. steve harrigan is live in miami beach. this storm is a serious threat. who is in the most danger as of right now? >> it's a life-threatening storm. already jamaica and haiti getting pounds. the western tip of the island could get the worst of it. sustained winds 130 miles an hour answer tremendous rainfall. 25 inches in parts of haiti and scattered areas might get as much as 40 inches of rain. we could see mudslides and serious life-threatening flash floods in haiti. from there the storm will move slowly north, likely to hit the eastern tip of cuba, but it's
home to the u.s. naval base pat bawn *. already 700 non-essential americans have been evacuated back to florida. the base itself says it's preparing for a frontal assault. the big question remains unclear whether this storm continues to hit the east coast of the united states or simply move out to sea. bill: within the hour, donald trump holds an event in virginia. we'll bring that to you as soon as he steps on stage. stand by. plus there is this. >> hillary clinton's only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. i don't even think she is loyal to bill, if you want to know the truth. melissa: is this a fair topic and good strategy. bill: hillary clinton talking
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about howard dean and cocaine, this week we are talk about sex tapes. i would venture nothing is off limits. taxes, relationships. where are you on this? >> when donald trump was running in the primaries, he made the case, i'm the only one who will have the guts to go there on some of these issues. so american voters knew what they were picking when they chose donald trump. 56% of voters say they think it's inappropriate of donald trump to bring up affairs. these things do not matter to most voters. as you were talking about earlier when trump is on the issues, it's when he's the best. it's when he was on the issues he began to retake ground from hillary clinton. by making these statements he
risks. bill: does she defend herself or ignore it? what do you think her strategy should be? >> it depend on the venue. if it's right now, she doesn't need to say anything about it. but dose say anything about it at the debate. we know he lost almost a billion dollars in one year alone. he says he has a wing temperament but when he acts like this and says what he said saturday night that's not winning. the pressure is getting to donald trump. he realizes this race is starting to slip away from him. if donald trump ever thought he was losing this race, he was about to take her with him. bill: here is trump on stamina and the physical demands of the
office when he went this. >> she is supposed to fight all these different things and she can't make it 15 feet to her car, give me a break, give me a break. give me a break. she is home resting getting ready for her next speech in two or three days. bill: kind of like the ben carson from the primary battle. what's the effect of that presentation. >> there was some polling that came out around the time of the 9/11 memorial when she did have some trouble getting into the van where there were voters saying i'm concerned that there was actually a morbid poll questioned do you think the candidates would make it through the first term.
and there is a sizable portion of voters who think whoever is elected won't make it through their first term. both donald trump and hillary clinton if you ask voters they say the idea of them being in the white house makes them anxious. the idea you can vote for someone and they might not make it through the first term is something that keeps them up at night. but it's not about the issues. >> there are so many headlines over the weekend. bill: leak audio from hillary clinton in february talking about basement dwellers and bernie sanders supporters. >> the children of the great recession living in their parents' basement feeling that you're * consigned to being a barista, or some other job that
doesn't pay well and doesn't have much of a ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe ... >> the media didn't look at this entire quote. she was analyzing why millennials feel this way. they are children of the recession. they watched their parents lose their homes, lose their marriage, lose everything, and they have struggled along the way. she was empathizing with them and explaining why they think about politics the way they do. bill: they had an event and they canceled it today, right? >> it's far more efficient for bernie sanders to campaign on his own and hillary clinton to campaign on her own with 36 days to go. fact. bill: fact? >> fact.
check it out. bill: last word. >> i think her read of the millennial generation is a little bit wrong. a lot of them don't just want free college and healthcare. they would like a job to pay for college on their own and would like healthcare to be affordable. it doesn't mean they want handouts. bill: thank you, ladies. maryanne, thanks to you and kristen in d.c. melissa: new troubles along the border in mexico. some agents say the situation has taken a record turn for the worst. a scary turn on the runway.
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bill: a passenger plane forced to miss its landing. the plane trying to land at birmingham, international airport over the weekend. wobbled a bit trying to approach the runway and says let's give it another shot -- the pilot making the decision to circle and come back again. well, we are okay now, folks. melissa: can you imagine being on that plane? oh, my goodness. wow! new security concerns along the border with mexico. customs say the illegal immigration crisis is getting worse, and preventing officers from doing their job. casey stegall is live in dallas. this remind me of what we saw a couple years ago.
reporter: exactly. this time u.s. border patrol says the problem is actually worse. this is a fairly unreported story. the number of unaccompanied minors and family units apprehended so far are well on track to surpass the numbers from two years agree, and texas is the epicenter in the rio grande valley where an estimated 2/3 of those entering the country pass through. for contact. more than 54,000 unaccompanied minors have already been processes since august compared to 66,000 in all of 2014. you can see where they are going. so why the increase? >> i have so many people coming in and they are being released into the country and the word is getting back to their home country. so they are mobilizing because they don't know what tomorrow will bring, but they know today they can cross.
reporter: this is fascinating. while we were down at the border shooting this last week, one immigrant told me word is spreading in mexico and central america to get here now because if donald trump wins, the word on the street there is that the wall will go up, things will be sealed off. so the smugglers are saying to get here now, melissa. melissa: 54,000 children unaccompanied. is this another humanitarian crisis? reporter: absolutely. we have seen detention centers filled with families that are packed again just like in 2014. the largest numbers are people coming from are from el salvador, guatemala and honduras. not even mexico. border agents say they are slammed with things like changing diapers instead of
securing the borders. while volunteers at the church in mccallen, texas, pulled together resources to help. >> look at them and see them and tell me you don't file is our responsibility to help them. i wish i could have everybody come and see it before they make up their minds and say that it's not our responsibility. reporter: the border patrol agents say most of the children and women showing up are seeking asylum, a lengthy and long process. bill: donald trump about to make this first appearance of the day holding a town hall in virginia with retired military officers there. we'll see what he has to say today. melissa: here is the real thing
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extension of the clinton campaign, the global economy and their special interests. judge andrew napolitano, did the "new york times" break the law? >> no, the "new york times" did not break the pt break the law, but someone did. a tax return once filed is the property of the government. and it has the highest degree of protection of any category of documents. so somebody broke the law by getting this partial return into the "new york times." but once in the hands of a professional media person or organization, if the material in the document is material to the public interest like the pentagon papers or the snowden expose hiewrs, or donald trump's tax returns, then the publication of the contents of the document are protected. i understand the trump
campaign's frustration, but the law is not on their side. melissa: the "new york times" wants to have it both ways. when you think back to the emails related to climate gate, they said they thought they were protected documents. >> they were the defendants in the pentagon papers case. in 1974 the supreme court saying if it's material to the public interest it doesn't matter how the publisher can get it, they can publish it. they were showing their in and this trump versus clinton race. showing what was protected for him but not show swag they thought was protected for her. melissa: i know you are not a tax lawyer. but he didn't break the law. he followed it. >> yes, that is correct.
the tax code -- i'm holding my hands above the floor. it's 4 feet thick. 70,000 pages of regulations. but they were either written by the congress or rulings by the irs itself telling taxpayers what to do and how to file. donald trump hired people to show him how to take advantage of laws enacted by congress. if you have a billion dollar loss in 1995, you can take that loss against your tax in the three proceedings years or the 15 years following. can the "times" conclude he paid no income taxes in the past 20 years? no. they would need to see all of his returns. can we conclude he properly utilizing the $1 billion loss? no, we need to see all of his tax returns. but on its face can a person do
what the "new york times" said he did? the answer is question. >> i guess the outrage is he didn't pay more than he owed. do you tip uncle sam? i try not to tip uncle sam. >> some people make a judgment call on behalf of the irs. in america the taxpayer tells the government what the taxpayer owes. he's under 20 years of audits because of this proper and sophisticated and with huge numbers use of the tax codes. melissa: you probably lost a lot of people in the story when you said lost a billion dollars. >> now it's for him to explain it so the public can understand it. melissa: or just turn to his
issues. thank you so much. bill, back to you. >> it's a 90-minute debate. she broke it with obama. took my microphone to kenya and broke it. now it's broken. somebody is sniffing here. i think it's her sniffs. she has been sniffing all night. china. >> secretary clinton, what do you think about that? >> i think i'm going to be president. bill: there is a lot more where that came from.
canadian kate mckin none is back at it at hillary clinton. she pills spot-on. they open the show with a 10-minute parody of the presidential debate. melissa: i think he's going to love it. good stuff. governor chris christie hitting back at the "new york times" bombshell and donald trump's taxes. >> there is no one who has shown more genius in his maneuver around the tax code as he rightfully used the laws to do that. melissa: christie says the article is good for trump. we'll get reaction from governor john sununu. plus this. terrifying moment. bill: that's a school bus
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over and hear their screams -- bill: we have been watching the hall in herndon, virginia, slightly west of the nation's capital. we were told the event would tart at 9:00, then we were told 10:00. we are in stand by. the fall out continues over this "new york times" article revealing part of donald trump's tax returns from 1995. chris christie said trump did nothing wrong or illegal and he believes the story will help trump's campaign. >> there is no one who has shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code as he rightfully used the laws to do that. he already promised to change these special interest loopholes and get rid of them. this is a guy when lots of
businesses went out of business in the early 1990s, he fought and claude back to create another fortune and more jobs. this is actually a very good story for donald trump. bill: howie kurtz of "media buzz." you had kellyanne conway on from the trump team and brian fallon from the clinton team. how are they characterizing everything from the last 48 hours. reporter: chris christie and rudy giuliani using the word genius to use this tax story. i think it's ingenious to spin this in a way that's positive. donald trump broke no laws if he used that nearly $1 billion loss to wipe out his tax for the next
15 to 18 years. it's not quite the bombshell the media offers. but it's not a great story to have come out a month before the election when you are running on that it's a rigged system and it shows clinton took advantage of a rigged system. bill: brian fallon was on, too, did you get a chance to talk to him about the basement dweller and bernie sanders. >> he had quite a bit to say as you can imagine about this "new york times" tax story as well as the other things donald trump has been keeping in the news. saturday night talking about whether hillary clinton might not have been loyal to hillary clinton. trump has a way of driving the news agenda he single day, but so do this own people. you see what chris christie said, he seemed exasperated he's using up a lot of the media
oxygen on things that won't help him with the presidency, jobs, taxes and terrorism. bill: what is your sense of the mainstream media observations. how have they played this. the tax revelations. >> it seems from the second the "new york times" put this story onne. it's been treated like a bombshell. something donald trump didn't want made public. but all we are seeing is in 1995 at a time when this casinos were in trouble and atlantic city was a mess, donald trump lost a lot of money and declared it on his taxes. that alone i don't think is a game changer for this campaign. i do think the fact that he's showing more an undisciplined side when it comes to extending this miss universe thing into a
five-day story and now concentrating on the clinton marriage, which you could argue almost everyone in the country who was alive in 1992 and 1998 knows about the clinton sex scandal. it's hard for me to see how this helps donald trump. the clinton team is loving the last week. bill: my sense what trump should do is what he often said. he doesn't like to pay taxes. then pivot and talk about what his tax plan would do. >> instead he's lashing out to the "new york times" understandably. judge napolitano observed earlier the "times" didn't do anything to obtain this, it came in the mail. somebody obviously broke the law in the process. but trump would have to acknowledge he didn't pay taxes. i think a lot of americans would say he's a businessman, that's
what businessmen are supposed to do, unless he did something questionable. this idea of taking a big loss on your taxes, anybody who loses money on a house or stock can do that. donald trump plays at a much higher level. bill: when you think about trump supporters, do they trust the media in general? when they see a story from the "new york times," do they dismiss sit outright? or is it that middle 8% to 9 per are of undecided voters. perhaps independent voters that would be looking at this more carefully, or do they simply say, that's just what you do. >> trump supporters, and i hear from themmer hour on twitter, despise the media. and they discount anything negative even if it's a story on donald trump's own word. you hit the key point.
it's the 6%, 5%. 6%. that are going to died this election. they might be feeling a little more doubt about donald trump as one story after another hits. another one today by the a.p. about making sexist comments during his years on the "apprentice." but the drip, drip, drip effect consider. bill: that's why tuesday night matters and sunday night matters in st. louis. howard kurtz from washington. melissa: breaking news overseas involving reality tv superstar kim kardashian west. the emergency that forced her husband kanye west to stop a concert right in the middle of a song. the pursuit of healthier.
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bill: donald trump is set to take part in town hall scenario in virginia. it's the same format they will use in st. louis sunday night. fashion healthcare, fighting for veterans. were awaiting trump and we'll see what he says when he arrives. melissa: frightening moments for kim kardashian west as she was robbed at gunpoint last night. sources say the reality tv star was taken, but wasn't hurt, as robbers got away with $10 million in jewelry. her husband making a quick exit
from a concert. what happened here, jonathon. >> it was around 3:00 a.m. in paris when apparently five thieves approached that luxurious private residence where kim kardashian was staying. they were let in my the concierge who was and cuffed, held at gunpoint, and he led those five thieves, two of them whom went into the room where kim kardashian was. she was then tied up, she was locked in a bathroom. the thieves knew what they were looking for, headed straight to a jewelry box that contained $6.5 million of valuables. they took a $4.5 million ring. came kardashian was in paris for paris fashion week. we are told she has now left the city. there are reports she is on board a private jet and is headed back to the united
states. we have no confirmation on her travel plans at this point. melissa: you would imagine her having so much security it's hard to imagine there was only the con sternlg betwee -- betwed the robbers. reporter: kanye west was performing at a concert in new york. he got news of this during that concert. immediately stopped the show. listen here. >> i'm somewhere ir, family emergency, i have to stop the show. reporter: a family emergency indeed. as for the kids. 3-year-old daughter north and 10 month-old safe, it's not clear where they were, if they were in paris with kim kardashian and if they were in that room that the
robbers entered and they tied up kim kardashian. police would only say later that the family were under police protection at a nearby luxury hotel. a spokesperson forekim kardashian said she was badly shaken but not hurt. we have all had fun at the expense of kim kardashian, but no laughing here. we are just glad nobody was hurt. >> and and lot more questions unanswered. we'll find out. quite a story, thank you. bill: we are waiting the first appearance of the day for donald trump. he's in herndon, virginia. he's about to speak any moment. don't go away. we'll have that for you as we begin a brand-new hour. when kevin jorgeson needs light, he trusts duracell quantum
fallout from remarks she made about young voters who support bernie sanders. this as we await donald trump in virginia, what will he say about the tax documents leaked to the "new york times." will he say anything? we're on standby. welcome to brand new hour of "america's newsroom." bill hemmer. hope you had a nice weekend. one final time. melissa: last day here. hopefully i'll be back. we'll see. melissa francis in for martha maccallum. donald trump about to address retired military veterans in virginia. as clinton scrambles to please sanders supporters 56 a bombshell video release. >> they're living in their parents basement. if you're feeling you're consigned to being a barista or some other job that doesn't pay a lot and doesn't have is much of a ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe you could be part after political revolution is pretty appealing.
bill: stephen hayes, "weekly standard," fox news contributor. steve, how are you, how are you. >> good morning, bill. bill: i'm going straight to starbucks, that is my future. clinton team is say this is no insult. how do you hear it? >> i don't think it is that big of a deal. if you listen what you're saying characterizing bernie sanders supporters, if it had come out during the democratic primary the sanders supporters would take a greater insult. i would see why they would say she is relegating us to relatively unimportant jobs way she is describing and characterizing it. i don't think this is huge deal in the broader debate. bill: when she talks about a ladder of opportunity for young people in america that could be an indictment against the policies of the last eight years? >> now that is where i think this is a bigger story. if she's in effect saying that president obama hasn't done enough to provide that ladder opportunity, that is a phrase he likes to use, but again she made that argument pretty explicitly
during the democratic primary debates. you think back to some of the times on stage where she and bernie sanders. you listen to their discussion and you wonder, why are you running to succeed president obama and build on his policies if they have been so ineffective? bill: on trump now, we're awaiting to see if he says anything. do you think he takes on this tax issue with this event or not, steve? >> you know, it is the biggest thing in the news. trump usually doesn't run away from a big story. i would expect that he would say something about it. if we are to judge from the spin that we're hearing from his advisors both rudy giuliani and chris christie, he will argue this was a genius move. that he avoided paying taxes because the laws allowed him to do so. by doing that he was a genius. bill: do you have the sense how this is heard by those who have not yet made up their mind? >> yeah. i don't think it affects trump's base much. they have basically tuned it out. they hear from the "new york times" they don't care much.
i think it has potential to affect independent voters, people who not made up their mind. because of the possibility, it's a possibility at this point that he may have done something wrong by not paying his taxes but also because after billion dollar loss. remember, the key argument, one of the key arguments to the trump candidacy has been that he is a genius businessman and he can do for the country what he has done for his own businesses. then you have a billion dollars loss operating largely from casino failures or problems. i think people will hear that and puts a little dent in his claim to be a brilliant businessman. bill: let's look at polling here. this four-way race with jill stein and gary johnson included. actually this is the two-way race. she is up five. this is the four-way race now where she is up 43-40%. i still see this election up in the air. a lot of these states are well within the margin of error. do you see it that way as well? >> yeah. i think that's right. one of the most interesting developments has been this
movement of millenial voters from hillary clinton to gary johnson. we've seen that over the past couple of months. we know she had trouble connecting with millenial voters during the democratic primary to be sure. they supported bernie sanders in overwhelming numbers. the question going back to the audio you play at the beginning, did they hear that the way the trump campaign is suggesting they ought to? do millenial voters hear that, wow, she is running us down. she is denigrating work like baristas. that we're living in our basements. that recovering millenial voters key part of obama coalition that much more difficult. bill: in a race to close in a lot of battleground states, you saw the meter move a little bit in debate number one in her favor. it can move after number two and number three. what about tomorrow in virginia after the vice-presidential debate. i am intrigued by it. am i only one?
>> you and me might be only go. a guy who wrote a book by vice president cheney i'm interested in the role that a vice president play and role vice-presidential debates play in the election. i think has potential to be more meaningful than vp debates in the past. in part because people are so dissatisfied with people at tomton. ticket. if you don't like hillary clinton or donald trump or both of them which is good chunk of the american electorate you look at tim kaine and mike pence, what else will we see from this ticket, this governing package. particularly for mike pence who will be making arguments that conservatives have wanted to hear from the republican ticket for a long time and maybe haven't heard as much from donald trump. bill: good deal. thank you, steve. really appreciate your insight there. steve hayes there in d.c. thanks, melissa. melissa: meanwhile hillary clinton heading to ohio as she deals with the fallout from those leaked comments about sanders supporters. rich edson is live in chappaqua,
new york. what is hillary clinton up to today, rich? reporter: good morning, melissa, when you talk about comments and reaction to it. bernie sanders says she is correct inner in assessment. donald trump trying to drive a wedge, that bernie sanders supporters should stop backing hillary clinton because of what she said, a barista living in the basement. she is taking a page out of bernie sanders's playbook here. according to campaign aide will go after two corporations in ohio talking about the economy. she will talk about wells fargo and mylan pharmaceutical. wells fargo criticized by congress, bipartisan over past couple weeks opening up unauthorized accounts. mylan pharmaceuticals, they make epipens. the price of epipens has increased several hundred dollars past couple years. they caught bipartisan heat last week from congress as well.
hillary clinton according to campaign aide will talk about how government and consumers take action what they're calling corporate bad actors. this, in keeping with the same vain as hillary clinton and her campaign continue talking about donald trump's 1995 tax returns as reported in "the new york times." >> his statement he gave to "the new york times" what they call in the industry a non-denial denial. talks about other types of forms of taxes he pays, but didn't deny he has not been paying federal income tax the last few years. the secret is out. this report is bombshell, exposes real reasons why donald trump has been holding back his tax returns. reporter: those tax returns, at least a few pages of them showing that deducted hundreds of millions of dollars in losses as a real estate developer. those deductions are available to him. hillary clinton and president bill clinton taking advantage of the charitable deduction for example, much less, when you talk about deductions available but still plenty of politicians releasing their tax returns.
donald trump has not. but they often take the deductions available to them. on top of that, she is in ohio today. she has picked up local endorsement there. that of lebron james, who is beloved by folks in ohio. then left for couple years to head to miami. now he won a championship. i imagine they like him a lot there too. back to you, melissa. melissa: there you go. rich edson, thank you so much for that. bill: this could be a doozy. strongest atlantic storm we've seen in almost 10 years churning across the ocean waters as we speak. haiti and jaw make -- jamaica ie cross-hairs as they brace for impact. the impact could stretch far beyond the caribbean. janice dean in the weather center with the potential for us and others. jd, what are you seeing right now. the strongest hurricane in the atlantic basin in the decade.
we could deal with a catastrophic hurricane for our frnds in haiti. look at hurricane warnings in effect for jamaica, haiti and eastern part of bermuda and bahamas. we expect to maintain the strength as hurricane next several days. it became a hurricane 5 on friday, the highest on the scale. the worst part the storm going over vulnerable haiti. they could receive isolated amounts of 40 inches of rain which could devastate them. over 70% of the population of haiti is poor and people are living in not very well-constructed homes. so this is going to be a very horrible time for them. prayers to haiti. jamaica, they could obviously see some heavy rains and hurricane strength winds, eastern cuba and then the bahamas. once it gets into the bahamas we'll have better idea where it goes along the east coast. look at water temperatures. this storm
strength for days now. one of the strongest really on record in the atlantic basin. you can see haiti taking a direct hit from this category four hurricane moving into the bahamas. what does it do after that? all eyes on the east coast. truly, bill, anywhere from florida to maine you need to watch the system because we still don't have a handle on the direct perhaps impact on the east coast, the exact potential landfall, the timing, the intensity. still a huge question mark we need to watch this. bill: we shall. by the hour. thank you, janice. >> absolutely. bill: in the weather center. there is a chance it could go, i mean outside of haiti and jamaica and eastern edge of cuba, there is chance it could go out to sea. it may not hit mainland u.s. possibility of that. that is what i'm hoping for. melissa: look at the map and strength of it, it is always a chance that it weakens and breaks up. warm water makes a huge difference. wow look at that.
bill: over the weekend it was cat-5, it was downgraded after that. matthew will get a lot of attention this week. we're hoping for the best. melissa: that is for sure. as we wait for donald trump to take the stage in virginia, the republican nominee is capitalizing on the latest clinton controversy. >> hillary clinton thinks bernie sanders's supporters are hopeless and ignorant basement dwellers. then of course she thinks people who vote for and follow us are deplorable and irredeemable. i don't think so. melissa: whoa, clinton's comments on bernie sanders's supporters in newly-leaked audio being cast as insult ising but will that come to bright her? bill: another member of the bush family tipping her hat towards hillary clinton attending one of her fund-raisers. we'll check it out. melissa: there you go. "the new york times" under microscope after releasing part
of donald trump's tax returns. will the controversy have a lasting impact? >> this points out one of the reasons why releasing tax returns is so bad. "the new york times" write this is long story and then, somewhere around paragraph 18 they point out there was no wrongdoing. you can run an errand. (music playing) ♪ push it real good... (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.
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a town hall event will begin any moment, apparently national security and matters with regard to the military and overseas. donald trump will be there. we will carry it live for you. stand by, we shall be west of our nation's capitol when that event begins. ♪ >> the reality is he is a genius. what he did was he took advantage of something that could save his enterprise and he did something we admire in america. he came back. >> what it shows with an absolute mess the federal tax code is and that is why donald trump is the person best positioned to fix it. there is no one who has shown more genius in their way to manuever around the tax code as he rightfully used the laws. melissa: that is mayor rudy giuliani and governor chris christie reacting to "the new york times" acquiring pages from donald trump's tax returns. my next guest has not been the on trump train but he is now. governor john sununu former white house chief of staff to president h.w. bush.
sir, thanks for coming on the show. i will get to the tax return issue for a second is. i want to start with the fact you only recently come on board with trump. how come? >> i made a formal commitment to support donald trump. obviously historically i've been saying i would vote for the nominee but i want to make it clear this is a choice between donald trump and hillary clinton. and hillary clinton made it awfully easy for me to say i'm supporting trump now. you know, i think she has drifted so far left. her favorite surrogates are bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, the two most socialist democrats. and i think clinton presidency would push this country down the slippery slope towards those. melissa: along those lines, sometimes it's hard to know where she is. she says she supports president obama and was of course part of his administration. at the same time when she makes those comments about the baristas and basement dwellers and millenials and how sort of
the economy has failed them, she is really saying that the liberal policies of the past eight years have failed them. so -- >> she has but she is still so committed to expanding government control of health care. that moves us towards the socialist side. she is so committed towards things like free college education. that moves us that way. that slippery slope gets bigger and bigger as other people want their share of the free pie. it will be a disaster. we have to stop that trend. melissa: what do you think where we are in the campaign cycle? we started this segment by talking about the few tax documents that were leaked to "the new york times" that show donald trump following the law. i don't know how many people volunteered to pay more than they're required to each year. i know i don't. i wouldn't raise my hand to tip the government. this is where we are in this cycle. back and forth with the tit-for-tat. is that the way, i mean, is it unusual or is this kind of where we generally are at this point
in presidential election? >> i think politics drifted towards that, melissa. i find it interesting, people want to talk about taxes, they should be talking about tens of thousands of dollars clintons deducted from their taxes to install what is apparently illegal server and to maintain that server. those deductions don't follow the law and why aren't we talking about the deductions that don't follow the law rather than the deductions that did follow the law? melissa: there you go. governor sununu. thank you so much, appreciate your time today. >> thank you, melissa, take care. bill: we are keeping a close eye. we promise. this is going to happen. herndon, virginia. expecting to hear from trump momentarily. we're hearing from a group of retired military officers. the event we expect anytime. we'll bring that to you live. a warning by trump about voter fraud in america come november. he is urging his supporters to prevent it. listen.
melissa: a vandal in washington making his mark on donald trump's new luxury hotel there, spray painting the phrases, no justice no peace, and "black lives matter." a video circulating on social media shows a man writing the words, then walking away. the graffiti has since been covered up with plywood. the trump international hotel has only been open for three weeks. ♪ >> go and vote and go check out areas because a lot of bad
things happen, and we don't want to lose for that reason. we don't want to lose but we especially, we don't want to lose for that reason. so go over and watch, and watch carefully. bill: donald trump warning that voter fraud could be an issue this election cycle. so much so, that as you heard him, he is asking supporters to monitor the ballot stations. senior correspondent eric shawn has been on the story for a every election cycle you're on voter fraud. eric, good morning to you. what do you think about this. reporter: good morning, bill. when you show up at polls and polling place likely more than election officials keeping tab. in a very controversial move, volunteer poll watchers recruited to look out for any possible problems. kathy plans to keep an eagle eye on the vote. >> we're going to poll watch or as they say, poll observe. reporter: the ohio donald trump supporter heeded call from trump campaign to sign up as a poll watcher in cleveland.
the effort, latest move by political parties and other groups to deploy volunteers to monitor the election. >> you get to be inside of the precinct election board and you, you can, you actually can, in pennsylvania you can keep track of everyone that comes in to vote. reporter: 46 states private citizens can challenge voter qualifications either on or before election day, except in alabama, kansas, oklahoma and wyoming n ohio, groups like trumps can observe but not challenge voters. the poll-watching group gained most attention has been houston-sed, "true the vote." in six years it says, thousands of poll watchers have been trained saying they act properly but critics have long charged such citizen efforts can be too aggressive and lead to voter intimidation and suppression. >> there is significant risk of discriminatory conduct. reporter: wendy wiser of the brennan center for justice, poll watchers repeatedly challenged voters based on race. >> it is illegal to target
voters on discriminatory basis. it is illegal for people to behave in intimidating way, that includes directly confronting voters. reporter: kathy says she will do the right thing. >> it's a way to watch what is going on and making sure everyone gets a chance to vote. reporter: "true the vote" says its watchers are prohibited from talking directly to voters to prevent any possible conflicts. as for the trump campaign did not respond to our request for information. cathy tells me she is waiting for poll training information too but she says she is ready to be dispatched at the polls in her key swing state of ohio. bill: eric, keep an eye on it. eric shawn in our newsroom in new york. thanks. melissa: the war of words between the u.s. and russia ratcheting up over the fighting in syria. why moscow is warning washington bp huge consequences. bill: bit of a rough day for one hot-air balloon pilot. that looks kind of nice, doesn't it. oh, okay, at firstou do not
bill: this is at bam senator sessions one of the earliest, maybe the earliest senator to endorse donald trump. now handling the introduction for mr. trump down there in herndon, virginia. this is said to be some sort of a town hall format to talk abo military issues and national security here an abroad. when we see mr. trump we'll take you there. we have movements in the room now, melissa. melissa: fierce fighting in northern syria as tushturkish-backed rebels clash with isis. they're grappling for a key town near the border. 15 opposition fighters have been killed, more than 30 wounded. meantime the humanitarian crisis in aleppo and other areas deepens.
conor powell is live in our middle east bureau. conor, why is this town so important? reporter: yeah, melissa. a lot of isis's propaganda talks about end of world scenario. this town in northern syria is site of islamic prove if i talks about muslims battling non-muslims, the romans as the prophecy talk about it. this town features a big part of isis propaganda. both turkish forces and u.s. western-backed syrian rebels are pushing in on this town bubik in the and if isis loses this town, plays a major role deflating this isis propaganda and this end of days scenao. they have tern several towns around dab i.q. and going deeper
and deeper into it. this is town and name of isis's online magazine and will hold sway over isis's ability to put forth its propaganda. melissa: connor, thank you very much. bill: as promised. donald trump first news of the day. a lot of news over the weekend. herndon, virginia, said to be a town hall format of sorts. we'll see how it goes. >> look at this. what a response from our greatest people. thank you very much. thank you. [applause] well at least i definitely know the military likes trump, right? that's great. it's, you're amazing people. you are great people, i very much appreciate it. speaking of that we will have this week over 200 admirals and generals endorsing trump, and that to me is a fantastic honor. in addition we had 17, now we
have 19 folks, congressional medal of honor recipients and to have that many is very unusual and a tremendous honor. i have met many of them over the last two weeks. and that to me is just a great honor. i want to thank everybody. i want to thank everybody in this room. it's a privilege to be here this morning with you. so many distinguished members of our services. and that is really what you are, very, very highly distinguished members. before we get started we'll have a q&a in a little while. i would like to address one of the most important aspects of america's national security and that's cybersecurity. to truly make america safe we must make cybersecurity a major priority, which i don't believe we're doing right now. for both government and the private sector. cyber theft is the fastest-growing crime in the united states by far.
as president improving cybersecurity will be an immediate and top priority for my administration. one of the very first things i will do is to order a thorough review of our cyberdefenses and weaknesses. we have very substantial weaknesses, including all vital infrastructure. cyber attacks from foreign governments especially china, russia, north korea, along with non-state terrorist actors, and organized criminal groups constitute one much our most critical national security concerns. they're learning everything about us. and we don't want any servers in the basements by the way, folks? is anybody here, does anybody in this group, i know our congressman hasn't done. has anybody put the server in the basement. oh, boy. hillary clinton's only experience in cybersecurity involves her criminal scheme to violate federal law engineering
a massive cover-up and putting the entire nation in harm's way. the fact that a former senator and secretary of state claimed not to know what the letter "c" means is just one more example why she is totally unfit to hold the office of president. [applause] totally unfit. it's interesting that during her fbi review, which took place on a massive holiday and which wasn't recorded and lot of other things that she went 39 times she didn't remember, she didn't remember. she doesn't remember anything. she remembered practically nothing. but when she has to remember something, she remembers. this is very sad situation i will tell you. i'm sure the folks in this room are not thrilled. the scope of our cyber problem is enormous.
our government, business and trade secrets, citizens most sensitive information are all facing constant cyber attacks and reviews by the enemy. just consider some of these recent hacks. jpmorgan chase, massive bank, had 73 million emails stolen. ebay was involved and gave up 150 million passwords. target was attacked and gave up 40 million credit card numbers. attacks like these happening on regular basis both in the united states and around the world. and the costs in terms of privacy and security and our financial sector are truly extraordinary. identity theft, financial laundering and ransom and ransomware, think of it, all involving extortion of a hacked institution are becoming increasingly common and they are extorting institutions.
hackers were able to obtain 20 million identities of people who under fbi background and were under fbi background investigations. the information hack contains facts discovered by the fbi in doing background checks for people seeking positions with the federal government. it's a treasure trove which can easily be used for blackmail and other reasons by the enemy. the fact that this highly-classified information, very, very important people in many cases was so poorly protected, demonstrates that cybersecurity is just one more area where the obama administration has failed. and speaking of failure, when we do our question and answer period, you look at what's happened with our navy in terms of the number of ships and our armed forces generally how they are so depleted, almost at record-setting lows and in some
cases absolute record-setting lows. it is very, very unfortunate and very, very dangerous for our country. we should not let this be like the history of the mafia which was allowed to grow into a nationaway organization which infiltrated and corrupted so many areas of society for such a long period of time. we can learn from this history that when the department of justice, the fbi, the dea and state and local police and prosecutors were combined in a task force directed by and at the mafia, when they looked at the mafia and really went after them, they were able to get great, great successes and prosecutions out of them and seizing their business interests. did a lot of things including their business interests, taking them away and removing their infiltration from legitimate areas of society. they have been very, very effective when everybody got together. that was a long time ago.
as president i will instruct the department of justice to create a joint task force throughout the united states to work together with federal, state and local law enforcement authorities, and international law enforcement to crush this still-developing area of crime it is getting bigger very, very fast. it is getting harder and harder to do. i will make sure our military is the best in the world in cyber offense and defense, in every other way, by the way, every other way. [applause] we've rarely needed it more than we do right now. i will also ask my secretary of defense, and joint chiefs, to present recommendations for strengthening and augmenting our cyber command. as a deterrent against attacks on our critical resources, the united states must possess and
has to, the unquestioned capacity to launch crippling cyber counterattacks, and i mean crippling, crippling. this is the warfare of the future. america's dominance in this arena must be unquestioned. and today it is totally questioned. people don't even know if we have the capability that we're supposed to have. when you look at what's going on with other countries. cybersecurity is not only a question of developing defensive technologies, but offensive technologies as well. but for non-state terror actors the united states must develop the ability, no matter how difficult to track down and incapacitate those responsible and do it rapidly. we should turn cyber warfare into one of our greatest weapons against the terrorists. and they have to know it's coming because right now they know nothing about us. it just seems they have an open blanket.
it is like an open mark. do whatever you want to do. nothing's going to happen. take our youth out of the country. infiltrate our country in some different ways. question can't let this happen. we have to have it stopped immediately before it's too late. [applause] to enhance the defense of the other agencies of government including our law enforcement agencies, so important, they're doing such a great job, by the way, we will put together a team of our best military, civilian and private sector cybersecurity experts to comprehensively review all of our cybersecurity systems and technologies. the cyber review team will proceed with the most sensitive systems first but ultimately all systems will be analyzed and made as secure as modern technology permits. hopefully that will be our technology.
we will also require that follow-up reviews take place on a regular basis determined by the sensitive nature of the security involved. the review will be very much exact and recommended by experts. we want experts. our finest people. we don't want people that are b level, c level, d level. we have to get our absolute best and recommendations have to be a combination of defensive technologies, tailored to specific agencies and every other discipline involved. this will include the various methods of internal monitoring. attack and penetration, investigation of suspected hackers. already rogue employees and you have plenty of rogue employees. and identity protection for government employees. the review team will also remain current onthe constantly
evolving attack and develop defenses as soon as possible before the breaches occurring. there are new ways to use modern technology and we're not using that, and frankly our technology is not up-to-date. we're letting it slip by and with technology as we know, it can go very, very rapidly. this group of experts will set up protocols for each agency and government officials, requiring them to follow best and strongest practices. they will also establish a training program for all government employees to make certain that they understand what defenses are available and utilize them alongwith a continuing education program. so everyone is aware of the newest methods of both attack and defense. that means attack and defense.
they will be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law, something which we don't do too much anymore. late i we're more interested in protecting the criminals than we are making sure we're strong and powerful and know what we're doing. we're so, so interested in protecting criminals and people that want to do us harm. and i think we have to go back to a little more old-fashioned method of thinking. if that makes sense. i will appoint an attorney general who will reform the department of justice, like it was necessary after watergate. my attorney general will restore the integrity of the department of justice which has been severely questioned. today, is just. [applause]
frankly, nobody's ever seen anything like what's happening today. when you have somebody getting a subpoena from the united states congress to have your emails and all other information sent and after, not before, after getting the subpoena, 33,000 emails are deleted and acid washed and nobody even knows what that means, acid washed. that is very expensive thing to do. most people don't know what it means. when you see something like that, and there is no crime, everything is just wonderful, you know, if you're in a private case with mr. smith, and they call for your records and you get rid of your records so blatantly as this, you have serious consequences. like the most serious consequences.
here's the congressman sendsut a tremendous subpoena. they want to see the emails, and they delete the emails. i can't think of anything in terms of what we're talking about, much more serious than that. congressman, do you agree? hard to believe. hard to believe that they can get away with this kind of thing. today is just the beginning of a long and overdue national discussion on how to protect ourselves from modern cybercrime and evolving national security threats and how to develop the cyber offenses necessary to gain a security edge in the 21st century. we need the edge and ideally a big one. i want to thank everyone in this room. i have such respect for everyone this room being here. and now, let's begin our discussion. thanks very much, folks. thank you. [applause]
bill: we expect questions here. we want to hang with this for a moment. that address over the past nine minutes quite clear about cybersecurity. talking about having servers in the basement, asking that question rhetorically to his audience. technology in america is not up-to-date. talking about putting a group of experts together to establish best practices and more. so let's, let's see where the conversation goes now herndon, virginia. let's stay with us. >> we want to thank him for his leadership. [applause] before we begin, mr. trump, i just want to kind of give you an overview who is in this room. we have gathered here warriors from across america, who have fought and defended america and ideals upon which america is founded in every conflict and war since world war ii. they're in this room here today.
they have retired and hung up their uniforms but they have not retired from their defending of their oath and that is to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. and they're here today in service to their country. [applause] so with that understanding that you have a room full of warriors who are ready to report for duty to defend this country, we want to begin with our questions. general boykin will recognize our first general to ask a question. >> well, i'd like to say thank you for being here as well. our first speaker, probably has seen more combat than anybody else in the room here because he has fought in three wars. general frederick or fritz
krosem. he was in world war ii, korea and vietnam. commanded everything from a company to a corps level and easterned three purple hearts and three combat infantry badges. he had three four-star jobs. commanding general of forces command, vice chief of staff of the army and commander-in-chief the united states army of europe. general crowsen you're question, sir. >> thank you, jim. [applause] >> is this on? is this on? >> you're on. >> i'm on. mr. trump, i only speak for the army. that is not because i ignore the needs of the air force and the navy but, and i accept everything that you have said about the cyber threat to us, but my question has to do with the united states army which has been too small ever since the cold war ended, and we paid the
peace dividend out of the defense budget and the army has been too small ever since. when we were committed into iraq and afghanistan and the chief of staff of the army was asked how many troops he would need to finish the war, he said about 300,000. he was made a pariah and nobody asked for his advice and counsel for the rest of his tour of duty. we've an using that army the last fifth teach years. it is first time we ever went to war without expanding the size of the army. instead of that they hired 200,000 civilian contractors to do the work that the army wasn't big enough to do. now we have an army that is being worn out. we are losing experienced
soldiers who are being left, being dismissed from the army in order to bring the size down even more. we think the united states army will be a major element that you will want to use in your national strategy and we'd like to know what your thoughts are on how to go about this? >> well, general, thank you, thank you for your bravery. amazing. i heard your name mentioned many times so thank you for being here and thank you for the question. not the only the army, the navy, the air force, the marines, everything is going away at a time when certainly we are at a top priority for making sure that doesn't happen. we're not respected to the extent that we were, and we keep going like this we won't be respected at all. you look at russia is doing with their nuclear capability, and
the newness of their capability. and look at what we're doing, and nobody wants to do that with respect to nukes because nukes are horrible. but, you you have countries that are going out of their way to do things that we're not doing. and we have to be very, very careful. the size of the army, absolutely , getting too small. in fact, a certain general, when he left about a year-and-a-half ago said, we are not only too small, we're the least prepared that we have ever been since he can remember, the least-prepared. so it is a combination of that, of both. look, i feel so strongly that i used a different word in going around, that our forces are depleted. they're depleted. we're the greatest people on earth but they're depleted. you see where the fighter jets are so old that they can't get parts anymore.
they have to go to airplane graveyards and museums to get parts for our fighter jets that we're currently using. they don't make the parts. you have other countries with brand new equipment, in some cases we sell them the equipment. the whole thing is ridiculous. now we're going to build up our forces. including the army. but we are going to build up our forces. we have no choice. they can talk about see questions term they can talk about all the different things that they're doing but this isn't like we have a choice. this is something where --e'll be cutting elements of government certainly, but when it comes to the military. we have no choice. we can not have a depleted military. we have to have the strongest military by far. with that being said, we spent a lot of money on protecting other countries. and yet those other countries are not paying nearly what it costs us for that protection. we're, they're getting one of the great bargains of all time. we're spending on numerous
countries, very substantial countries. you know the countries we're talking about but we're defending them for a fraction of the cost. we have to go to those countries and we have ask them to make contributions that are greater than the contributions they're making right now. we're going to protect them, we're going to remain loyal to them but at the same time it's a two-way street. they have to help us also. so i think your question is a great one. we will build our military forces to a level that we'll be, i believe stronger than ever before, if i become president of the united states. okay. thank you. [applause] >> earlier before you arrived, we mentioned today is the anniversary of the "black hawk down" in mogadishu. one of the officers that was there that we recognize is going to ask our second question, major general gary harrell. general harrell has had multiple
tours with the 82nd airborne division. has been on combat missions from panama to somalia. he was the commander of u.s. special operations at centcom and led the first special forces into afghanistan. he retired in 2008 from the united states army special operations command. general harrell. [applause] >> hello, general. >> hello, sir. the obama administration has yet to develop a strategy for dealing with the global jihad movement. the terrorists are motivatedded by theology that drives them to atrocities against non-believers, be they christians, jews or other faiths. americans have not been allowed to know the enemy or call them by name. we need a strategy, not a tactical plan. what is your plan to defeat radical islam and how will you reverse the strategic confusion of the obama era?
>> well it is confusion, not only there but it is confusion in many other fields long beyond military and defense. the country is confused in terms of even the divide in our country. we have such divide and really divides, we have many different forms of divides. so there's a lot of confusion. but, we have a president that won't use the term, radical islamic terrorism, won't use it. will spend long periods of time explaining to people why he won't use it. at the end of the explanation nobody knows why he still won't use it because the explanation is no good. and i mean, honestly we have a president in my opinion really doesn't know what he's doing. we have a president that doesn't know what's happening and when it comes to the military, i always say, keep the oil. don't go in. but i said, keep the oil. had we kept the oil, you wouldn't have isis because they
fuel their growth with the oil. but, i read something and saw something over the weekend that really bothered me. because i believe in, i'm a big fan of general douglas mcarthur and general george patton, these great generals, a big fan of some of the generals in this room. general flynn is with us. and general kellogg. we have a few generals that have been so incredible to me. now we have 200. but generals and admirals. i will never forget admirals, right? i will never forget the admirals. that i can promise you. but it was very disconcerting when i saw that, an attack is planned on mosul, an attack is planned. we're involved in the attack. but the iraqi forces are planning an attack on mosul. it should happen over a short period of time and work will -- why do we have to talk about it? why? i never saw anything like this.
every time we are going to attack somebody, we're explaining, we'll be attacking at three, noon, march 25th. i don't know, unless you disagree with me, wouldn't it be better if we were going after mosul and not say anything and do it, as opposed to announcing they're announcing all over television they're planning to attack mosul. [applause] and, whenever they asked me the question what are you going to do about isis, you know i have a real chance of winning. i don't really want to tell you. i have very strong ideas and dealing with the people in this room and other folks that are, you know very good at this, but the last thing you want to do is give notice to the enemy. when president obama announced he was leaving iraq, i mean he was talking about dates and times and what we're going to do. the enemy pulls back. we think we're doing well. well, they pull back. they're not stupid. and then after we leave, you see what happened. so i just, i just want to say that we are going to hit isis
hard and i mean really hard, but i do think this. the american public doesn't have to know the date and hour and second that we're going to attack and from what side we're going to attack. we'll attack from the eastern quadrant and it will take place on a certain day at a certain hour. we don't need -- they just want to see victory. we have don't have victory. i mean we're dropping our, we're dropping things all over the place. who knows what they're hitting. who knows how many people are being killed and who knows if they're the right people. but, at some point we have to stop a force that is going out and drowning people in steel cages and chopping off heads. these are barbaric people. these are people that you know, i used to study medieval times and they chopped off heads. but until recently this was a phenomena that you wouldn't see. the level of barbarism is unbelievable. so we're going to stop them.
we're going to sop them cold. we'll stop them very powerfully but i don't think all of us should be, unless it's a very confined room, we shouldn't be giving up our plans. and it bothers me every time i see where we're planning to attack this one, that one but the one you i saw over the weekend was mosul. they're talking about attacking. the other problem is, you have a lot of leaders in mosul. they're not going to be there. they're getting out because they hear they're going to be attacked. so they're getting out, going someplace. congressman, would you agree with this? if i'm a leader and i'm watching what everybody else is watching and an attack on mosul is imminent, i'm saying bye, folks, i'm having a good time and moving into a different city. what are they doing? with re allowed anymore in the military, general, the element of surprise? i would think it would be a good thing.