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us. we have abby and her dog walker. >> my husband jeff. >> someone's got to keep the little guy in line. >> first time on "fox & friends" and you did it for the dog walking segment. >> we loved having you here. >> you have a beautiful family. i will say that. this is a fox news channel special election presentation. your ballot, your bucks. now neil cavuto. all right. we have got a lot going on this morning. welcome everybody. waiting to hear donald trump deliver what he's calling his closing argument, his case for what a first 100 days of a trump administration would be like. and he's doing it on hallowed ground in gettysburg, pennsylvania, not too far from the exact location where abraham lincoln delivered about a two and a half minute speech that goes down in history as perhaps one of the greatest ever. donald trump hopes the tie from that and some of the wind at his
back in recent poll numbers will be enough to start sealing this deal. don't laugh. he thinks he could do just that. we're going to be talking to pat buchanan about this, mark cuban about this, steve wynn about this, also some big developments in the corporate world. i don't know if you have at&t, i don't know if you watch any of the time warner channels like heaven forbid cnn, tnt, tbs or you're into any one of the time warner film movies like any of the "harry potter" series, it could be a combination, an $85 billion combination. more on that deal and what it could be portending amid talk that at&t and time warner are close to hooking up. there is this other little issue of regulators. all right. let's first focus on the big speech about an hour away. peter doocy is there. peter. >> and, neil, this to-do list that trump is going to give us about an hour from right now
around 11:00 eastern, is happening here in gettysburg for a reason. and the reason is that this is where president lincoln gave the gettysburg address at a time the the campaign says trump thinks he can make the case for his policies over clinton's policies in a way that could convince voters to unite around him the way they did around lincoln a century and a half ago. so trump has to get to the white house before any of this happens. and now he is urgently encouraging people in swing states to vote for him today if they can. >> early voting is underway, so make sure you send in your ballot. we cannot take a chance of blowing it. we cannot take a chance. we have something, we're so close, it's a movement like they've never seen in this country before, never, ever seen. don't blow it on november 8th. >> trump has been hinting recently that he will not accept
the results of a close election if he's on the losing end. and half of republicans are with him because half of republicans say in a new reuters poll they would not accept hillary clinton as their president with 70% indicating the only way they think she could win is if there's illegal voting aiding her along. trump holds slight leads in several national tracking polls this weekend, but he is playing catch up in swing states and that's what it's all about. pennsylvania does appear to be a priority. he's down six and change in the real clear politics average of polls here, but he came to pennsylvania twice yesterday. he's going to be here once today. he's also hitting virginia and ohio this afternoon and this evening. so some swing states are going to get the big final argument from donald trump. we're going to hear it first here in gettysburg at 11:00. stay tuned. >> thank you, my friend, peter doocy. we are getting drips and drabs of what mr. trump might be outlining, something like modern
day in america. republicans charge before they ultimately took over for the house of representatives, something very similar out of mr. trump, he is going to call for immigration reform, regulatory reform, tax cuts, tighter border security, all outlined in what we're told will be about a ten-point plan. and it is said to be lincoln-esque, hence the gettysburg location. now, the question is whether any of this will reverse what had been some tough polls and certainly a lot of negative headlines. take a look at how the media's all but put this one away, "the washington post," trump is bitter, hoarse and pondering defeat as election day nears. on and on as you just look at these headlines, thank you, donald trump. donald trump could well go down in history as a feminist hero. in other words saying his comments will galvanize the female vote and he will be buried by it. and as you can see, the idea of an example that richard nixon
could teach donald trump, oh but assuming he's going to lose this race and take a cue from richard nixon not to whine about it. pollster lee carter, lee, he's in pennsylvania. >> he is in pennsylvania. >> and he trails there by i guess depending on the polls six points or so. >> uh-huh. >> normally when candidates trail by that much they move onto other states. not all the time. he's not. why not? >> there's a couple of reasons why. i think the first reason is pennsylvania's the easiest path to victory for him right now. what he needs to do is a couple of things. he has to shore up all the states romney won then has to win florida and ohio. then the last thing he has to do is either win pennsylvania or a series of other small states and that's going to be more challenging for him. pennsylvania has not gone republican since 1988. it's going to be a challenge for him, but he is within six points. the trends right now there are away from hillary clinton. he's got a bit of a bump in recent days. and we also see there's still a significant number of undecided voters depending on the poll you're seeing between five and ten points undecided.
so he's really within the margin of error in pennsylvania. i also think we're living in a day and age where we're more nationwide. these kinds of moments going to gettysburg is going to get him a lot of media coverage and able to have a symbolic gesture at that moment saying he's going to get in front and give a big speech we think is going to be symbolic of what he's going to offer and offer a big plan that can catapult him in other states. i think he's using for both symbolism and because the state is important to him. >> what do pollsters look for? when you were examining the data coming if from the states, you don't look at the aggregate number, but you look at what the trend is. and he has slipped down a little bit. he's moved up a little bit. and i guess if you're donald trump you want to keep that going. an address like this could do it, but you have about two weeks to close the deal. >> so i look at exactly what you're saying, the numbers themselves but also the momentum, where are things shifting. i also am a big believer in qualitative research, talk to voters and see what they are
saying. i think the most important thing to understand about donald trump, it's not necessarily about the man. it's about the movement. he is representative of an anti-establishment movement where people are saying enough of the establishment. whether it's republican or democrat for the last 16 years we haven't had real -- a real strong faith and belief in government. people believe whether you like donald trump or not he's going to go in and he's going to shake things up. and he's going to change things. the question is do people look at him and say, you know what, i think he's going to do it for the best. i think i can trust him not to be crazy. i mean, there is this whole -- >> we're going to rifle through very quickly here some of the latest polls that show even safe states or safe republican states might not be so safe. georgia's a big example. almost always goes republican. and he's barely holding on there. people seize on that and states like texas, the fact ohio is split when he had been up by three points. and i say, hey, he's the one losing the momentum. what do you say? >> well, he did lose momentum, no question. but what we've seen in this race
it's been unlike anything we've ever seen before, we have one minute shifting towards hillary clinton. the next week ten points over to donald trump, next week back ten points to hillary clinton. the swings are phenomenal. >> are the swings up or down for him? because i see hillary clinton's numbers, the overall number not changing a lot. >> her overall number has not changed all that much. at certain points in time it has, but she has pretty much solidly hit herself around 45 right now. that's where she has stayed. and so it's the undecideds that are up to ten points and some states up to as high as 20 going up and down and really going for him based on news cycles and what people are thinking of him in a moment. the whole label of donald trump being dangerous is one that really sticks. and people in moments are looking at and saying am i going to trust him to change things for the better or is it going to be change that scares me and he could be dangerous? so we're swinging back and forth it's vacillating. what he needs to do now is stay on message, stay on track, stay calm, cool and collected, not veer off. you know, he's got to stay the
course right now. he's got to have three weeks just like he had those three weeks when kellyanne conway first joined the campaign. >> stay focus. >> stay focused. he can do it, but he needs to do that to shore things up right now. >> thank you very much. in the meantime, in case you woke up this morning a big merger to tell you about or they want it to be something to tell you about. i am talking right now about at&t. plunking down $85 billion for time warner. this is the same at&t not too long ago paid about $50 billion to buy directv. they've got a lot of debt there, a lot of questions going forward as to why now because this is just one of the bigger deals we'd seen either announced or rumored over the last week. record number of them. and certainly a record amount. what's going on here? and what's the rush? to steve forbes, gary, gary, begin with you. what is the rush? >> first off, i think you have this easy money that creates low
interest rates and high stock prices so you have the currency. but on top of that you have companies that are not growing any more so they have to look elsewhere to buy. as you see like in the british tobacco, their sales are down 11% year over year, so go after reynolds who buy the way bought lorillard for $27 billion a couple years ago. then you add in the political front. there's going to be two names starting in january looks that way and that is sanders and elizabeth warren, they are going to be involved in a big way in the economy. and they do not like big business. and they are low to let businesses grow, so i think the rush is on right now and i think we're going to see more of this, not less. >> steve, normally when the smart money crowd or those who have a lot of money and are making their bets, they're telling us something is about to happen. i don't know whether it's a political response, a sense the federal reserve finally points to raise interest rates deals won't be as cheap in the future. but they all seem to be pouncing at the same time.
what do you make of it? >> well, i think it's been indicated the economy's not growing very much. growth has been a lot of m/a activity, financial eng mering, business expenditures aren't what they should be. growth is coming by gobbling up competitors. what we have here with what at&t is doing is the old traditional lines which have been crumbling anyway are now crashing down. people are not taking those old packages. wireless is really hurting right now. verizon's sales subscribers are going down. so you're looking around your world is coming down so you grasp to try to get something that may boost you up. because you don't know how this thing is going to play out. if you don't have a playbook, you grasp what you can and hope you find something that can make you a winner in the future. but there is no clear path. and that's very clear. >> you know, gary, one of the things you've always reminded me over the years is the markets
are more uncertainty, a new element of uncertainty for the markets they've kind of factored in, might be wrong, a hillary clinton victory. again, i stress they could be very wrong, but another variable they've had to wrestle with is the possibility she takes the senate or house with her. why would that unnerve them? just help me with that. >> well, i think a lot of the media talks about how hillary clinton's a moderate. i'm not so sure about that when you are mentioning elizabeth warren and bernie sanders in debates and complimenting them. these are people high tax, anti-business. they'll be proud to tell you that. so if that's the case and dems get both the house and the senate, we're talking about some worrisome stuff. let me be clear, if the government grows the economy slows, this year government spending was $3.9 trillion. in the year 2000 it was $1.8 trillion, we're talking about 2 trillion more coming out of the
economy into the coppers of washington, d.c. the economy has no chance if we continue to go up. and by the way 2017 budget of $4.2 trillion, economy does not have a chance at that trajectory continues. >> steve, real quickly, markets and economies generally do best, not all the time, but generally, when there's a split government. the white house in one party's hands, the senate and/or house in another party's hands. of course remember that in the mid 90s after the republicans took over the house and how that really led to booming times and the clinton boom they called it then, i'm sure newt gingrich called it the gingrich boom, but what do you make of that? and that might not be the case and that's maybe precipitating a lot of these deals? >> yes, that kind of uncertainty. and this idea, gary's right that hillary clinton is a moderate with her inner bill waiting to get out is preposterous. remember, she gave us hillary care back in the mid 1990s which was more further radical than
obamacare. she wants a singer payer system. she wants revenge for what happened to her 20 years ago. so this idea of an inner moderate is wrong and i think markets are beginning to sense that could be the case, especially if she gets the senate and the house. by golly, you're going to see the market tank and a lot of people are going to be scrambling how do we survive the next two years, four years. >> and just as many people say donald trump gets in there unexpectedly the markets could tank. all these guys are just ridiculous. not you guys of course. thank you both very, very much. on the left of your screen the scene at gettysburg, pennsylvania. waiting to hear from donald trump. and on this whole issue about the mainstream media and mark cuban ranting at a donald trump over just that. after this. what's going on here? i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person? more of a spokes metaphor. get organized at voya.com.
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denying democracy. >> all right. forget about the context in which donald trump express reservation about the election results maybe given the fact we had experience in 2000 with al gore. i want you to listen to something no less than a fellow named barack obama was musing about back in september 2008. listen to this. >> i would just like to know what you can say to reassure us that this election will not be rigged or stolen. >> well, i tell you what, it helps in ohio that we got democrats in charge of the machines. i come from chicago, so i want to be honest. it's not as if it's just republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past. sometimes democrats have too. you know, whenever people are in power, you know, they have this tendency to try to, you know, tilt things in their direction. >> all right.
so that was then, barack obama saying that it helps the democrats in control machines. now all of a sudden everyone's a gast given what donald trump's said in history i'd have to wait and see the outcome of the election and what happened in certain precincts, counties, et cetera, ie, florida, you know the drill. so does this fellow former democratic pollster. i don't think he said anything outlandish there, pat, that is donald trump, given our experiences, given what we see. i guess a lot would depend on the magnitude of either victory f. it's donald trump or hillary clinton. maybe if hillary clinton wins in a landslide maybe there's less to protest there. but what do you make of this dust up? >> well, what i make of it is a lot of hypocrisy first of all. you know, we've had problems with elections for a long time.
you know, we have incidents in indiana, incidents in wisconsin in the last election, particularly the election day voting, registration on election day voting. go back to 1960 that disputed election and everyone was talking about chicago and then daly offered to recount the votes if the republicans down state would recount the and that was the end of that. nobody wanted to pick that challenge up. these things go on. and look, we have 2000, we have what happened in florida, some inadvertent, some was intentional. we have the gore campaign want to count all the votes, only the ones actually we want to count not the ones including overseas ballots. the stuff that gets hairy when you get down to electoral votes, 2008 look what happened in minnesota. al franken is a senator defeated
norm coleman because the secretary of state elected by the george sorros effort to democracy alliance effort to k elect secretary of states allowed ballots in there and the courts did people who were not legally had a right to vote. and that election got stolen right from under him. >> but the criticism real quickly, pat, i apologize, but donald trump seemed to be presupposing it will be rigged. >> well, i think he's got a right to say let us see -- at a cosmic level this race is rigged. it is rigged by the media, which is only covering some stories. >> he's right about that. >> and not covering others. >> distorted coverage. >> in a larger sense the establishment has been rigging that. we've got these polls some of them which are really crazy. and we have a lot of things going on. he does have the right to say, well, we'll see what happens.
>> understood. >> we'll see what happens. it's not a big deal. >> all right. i think the whole segment was a waste of time myself. >> look at ohio in 2004. >> i beg you to stop. i beg you to stop. you're stopping now. >> okay. >> you are a genius, my friend. thank you very much. pat meanwhile very excited about this gettysburg event. he was there when abraham lincoln spoke, now even more excited, donald trump is. stay with us. he has a sharp wit, a winning smile, and no chance of getting an athletic scholarship. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars.
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income tax come from 5% of the citizens. now, that would suggest that something unfair is going on. so when you hear a politician say fair share, you're talking about hypocritical political propaganda. you are not talking about an intelligent discussion of who is paying what and what isn't paying taxes. the minute someone talks about fair share, you're probably talking to a thief. >> that was from las vegas with steve wynn. i think that was his way of saying i got your fair share right here. welcome back everybody. i wanted to give you a quick peek at what's going on in gettysburg, pennsylvania. wouldn't it be interesting if abraham lincoln had to go through this? he's about to make a speech, see him now with the top hat. now fast forward little over a century and waiting for donald trump using that venue as many presidential candidates and
indeed presidents have, half a dozen of them, the venue and backdrop of gettysburg to pitch a point. in this case donald trump ten-point economic plan that is uplifting and positive flying in the face of media critics who say he's mr. doom and gloom on the campaign stump. i don't think that's fair, but then again that's the way it's been portrayed. we'll see if donald trump can reverse that. and maybe reverse some poll numbers. i've got donald trump finance committee member anthony scaramuchi. >> for now. >> what do you make of steve wynn saying hillary clinton keeps beating the drum, higher taxes on the rich to pay for all this. >> i think he's right and i think she's right to keep doing it. this is one of the more salient points in the campaign. >> i don't think they both can be. >> i think they can. i've heard of two people being right a number of times. maybe we'll see it on the panel today. so bernie sanders, hillary
clinton and donald trump all talked about income inequality during the primary. and it was something very successful specifically for bernie sanders and donald trump more so than it was for hillary clinton. so i think it's smart. but it's also smart to talk about the numbers. i think this late in the game we know what steve wynn is talking about is going to make much of a difference. i don't think people are arguing donald trump is more for the little guy than hillary is -- mostly for himself. >> we can have a long debate about the economy and behavior economics, but the truth of the matter is we do best as a nation when we have an aspirational working class. that's the family i grew up in. have a burgeoning middle class. we don't have that right now. you create energy in the economy, neil, to grow for everybody. bad news for democrats rich get richer in that situation. so they prey on people's emotions by using this talking point of fair share. but what we really need to do is focus on what works, not the
emotion, the real policies. the policies that work are let's energize the economy and create the aspirational middle class and working class that we grew up in. >> well, we're told, not jessica here, but we're told, kennedy, that the middle class resents the upper class and that they've been piling up the loot and everyone else is in suffering. >> yeah, but this environment of jealousy does nothing to grow the economy. and that's what you want. you want to create an environment where more people can make more money. there's nothing wrong with that. i don't understand this mentality we've got, and jessica's right, it's happening on all sides of punishing the rich and fanning the flames of jealousy with this emotionalism. because, you know, overtaxation and overregulation has created the environment we're in. what does that mean? it means we've got too much government, we've got too much government spending, and we've got too many more programs on the horizon. what is that going to do? it's going to punish the middle class. and then you've got hillary clinton not only talking about
six rates in the corporate tax system, but you also have her talking about a huge soda tax. that also punishes the middle class. and it doesn't balance the budget. it doesn't service the debt. what it does is create the environment for more spending, which is the problem. >> i agree with you about a lot of that, but what i would say is if you look at the appraisals of these plans and you're talking about the debt should be a much bigger deal than it is right now. it's actually donald trump that's adding over $5 trillion and she's adding $200 billion. $200 billion is still a lot of money. >> they don't know -- >> according to americans for tax reform that's based on her math. >> we can have a field day -- you're right, i read those ten-year forecasts. oftentimes they're inexact to put it mildly. but leaving that out of it, are you for this notion that you can forcibly narrow the gap between the rich and poor by doubling the minimum wage, let's say, and then on the higher income folks
guys like scaramucci pay through the nose, 65% -- >> i think the rich are already paying a lot, obviously. >> but do you think they're paying their fair share? >> i think some people are not. >> what's fair share to you? >> i mean we look at, i think, it's at 39% right now. and then it would go up. top earner so 43%. >> 43.4%, you have to put the obamacare tax on top of that. >> i understand it's a lot, but i don't think that we can redistribute our way out of everything. i think that is a problem. >> i don't want to be badgering this point but i raised with bernie sanders a long time ago when he reminded me the top rate used to be 90% adding we have a long way to go. >> under a republican. >> my only point is -- >> post world war. >> right. >> do you think that that's where we should go? >> i don't think we should go that high. >> 89%? >> 87 i think is fair. >> really? >> but i think that's why bernie sanders is not the candidate. i don't think people subscribe to this, we don't want to be a socialist nation. >> i don't know. i'm looking around and
wondering. >> can i say something quickly about fair share, the notion of fair share, steve wynn is right, it's so hypocriticahypocritical. what about our fair share? what fair share are we getting from the government when we're paying so much in taxes? and that's the point. we're paying into a system that is already so corrupt and so circular, what are we getting back from it? i think we have the right to ask if we are paying so much in taxes and expected to pay so much more, what more government is going to do for us when it's gotten us into this pickle, the president's own admission obamacare has essentially failed. >> no, it's just a starter home. it has not failed. >> if that's a starter home, it's been burned to the ground -- >> if i got a lot of bang for my buck. >> listen, it's not going to happen. okay. george w. bush's father understood when he raised taxes just went into more deficit spending. but the third largest city in france, neil, do you know what that is? it's london. that's because they're taxing -- >> i get where you're going. >> we got to cut this nonsense
out and focus on what works as opposed to the emotion of the situation. >> all right. >> we do know the trickle down doesn't work though. >> someone's trickling something here. >> the tax cut is a broad base tax cut for everybody. >> the assumption is that rich people -- >> because they're ignoring this.
all right. i just wanted to focus on the left of your screen there, this is the scene in gettysburg, pennsylvania, now. a major economic address by donald trump. we are getting some hints about what he'll be discussing, supposedly a ten-point plan to lift the economy and the american spirit, which will include changing immigration rules to give unemployed americans an opportunity to get those good paying jobs, cancel rules and regulations that ultimately send a lot of jobs overseas, lift restrictions on energy production, repeal and replace job killing obamacare, this when you know it's coming from donald trump because there's the added line here, it
is a disaster. so it could be vintage trump. could be a great moment. could be a lot of his people say lincoln-esque. we shall see. garrett joining us to give us an update on all these cyber attacks we heard about yesterday that hit virtually every major popular consumer site, even amazon. so if you were trying to order something, you were briefly stalled as you were on netflix, as you were on airbnb, i could go on and on. garrett with the update. >> neil, there's nothing that can make folks quite upset as taking away netflix and twitter and spotify. the internet went ablaze yesterday when these attacks happened. while it's still not clear who's behind these attacks, we are getting a better idea of just how they happened. researchers at a pair of cyber security firms have now confirmed the attack used a new powerful program to attack the internet service company dyn. dyn servers essentially work
like a switchboard and it directs your computer to the website you type in. this new program, this piece of malware used in this attack, it allows hackers to take over hundreds of thousands of devices that are connected to the internet, like your internet router, web cameras, even the dvr on your tv. all of these things use the internet. then hackers use these devices almost like a big crowd of people trying to squeeze through the front doors of a shopping mall at the same time on black friday. and they are simply able to shut down websites by flooding them with requests from those hundreds of thousands of devices all at the same time. earlier on "fox & friends" cyber security morgan wright gave this example. >> we've turned everything into a computer now, your smartphone, smart refrigerator, ip connected to the internet surveillance camera, dvrs, these all have become an army of ants creating a deluge of traffic. and it's overwhelming these resources in a way they never
anticipated. >> while neither dyn nor the department of security have identified who's behind the attack, wikileaks is now suggesting it came from some of its supporters in response to reports that the u.s. pressured ecuador to cut off wikileaks founder julian assange's access to the internet this week. yesterday evening wikileaks tweeted mr. assange is still alive and wikileaks is still publishing. we ask supporters to stop taking down the u.s. internet. you proved your point. shortly after that the attacks on dyn stopped. the scary thing about all this, neil, over the last year cyber security analysts have been warning that these kinds of attacks are growing in their size, strength and duration and they expect that trend to continue going forward. >> not encouraging. garrett, thank you very much. to rich ensten right now, they unearthed vi owe going back some years around 2010 that tells -- that she's telling a lot of employees, hey, we got to fight
cyber security, as if. rich, what's going on here? >> good morning, neil. and who would have imagined at the start of this campaign season that cyber security could potentially be the most important issue? hillary clinton's campaign started off with the revelations that she used that private e-mail server, something for which the fbi director said she was extremely careless, then the hack of the democratic national committee. then the hack of john podesta's private e-mail, her campaign chair, and charges that the russians were interacting in our elections to an unprecedented amount. if only somebody had warned us six years ago this could be the case. well, somebody did. it was then-secretary of state hillary clinton. [ inaudible ] >> i think there's a possibility -- state department employees we have a special place to guard ourselves --
>> clinton campaign spokesman brian fallon has responded to the release of that video saying, quote, this is not new. that has been widely reported that during clinton's tenure the state department issued these kinds of warnings to employees, these warnings were appropriate given subsequently confirmed that state's e-mail was hacked. hillary clinton in the meantime has returned to the campaign trail. she was campaigning in ohio yesterday. she met with a couple of activists for the black lives matter movement and then spoke with folks at the cuyahoga community center. >> look, if you lose an election, i've lost elections, you don't feel very good the next day, do you? but we know in our country the difference between leadership and dictatorship.
>> hikllary clinton is now tied with trump according to a suffolk university poll in the state of ohio. she leads in a number of polls here in pennsylvania. according to real clear politics average she comes to pennsylvania in just a little bit, she'll campaign in pittsburgh with her running mate tim kaine. then off to the eastern side of the state in an event in philadelphia. this all the while, neil, while there's a report in politico claiming that the clinton team is already working on a possible transition, reaching out to democrats on the hill and other democratic operatives to see exactly how she's going to fill the thousands of posts she'll have available to her if she wins the election. back to you. >> all right. thank you very much. has any of you ever seen "bar rescue" with jon taffer? candidate rescue, how would he
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oh, really? this isn't right? that would have surprised me! how about i mount it on the wall as a piece of decor? how does that look? because it serves a better purpose on your frickin wall than it does on a plate. >> at that moment if it were me, i'd be crying. that's how mean and ugly and hard jon taffer is on his hit show "bar rescue." jon, i saw that and i don't want to even talk to you now. but i want that same guy who's rough and tumble, very blunt, take no prisoners guy, advise donald trump ahead of this speech we're expecting in gettysburg. he's down in the polls.
he's very resistant to advice from a lot of his aides, we are told. take it from there. how do you rescue him? >> first of all, he has to own the failure that his campaign is experiencing. he has to own it. so i would suggest that this speech have three things, neil. has to be simple, narrow and succinct. what i mean by narrow, he can't say it's a disaster. he can't say our leaders are losers. he can't say they're stupid. i believe that as an individual he's lost this campaign. his chance today is to win it with issues. and the more he adds his anecdotes, the less about the issues it becomes and the more about him it becomes. and if this is a referendum on him, at the moment he's in trouble. >> just got a tweet from donald trump. taffer's such a loser. i'm kidding. i'm kidding. a lot of people they don't like getting critical advice, blunt
advice like you do on your show. the ones who don't listen to you or are reluctant, sometimes you're dealing with family run operations where the sun might be amenable but the dad isn't, or vice versa, how do you deal with them? >> well, you know, it's sort of what i just said, neil. people that are in that position blame their failure on something else. you know, trump can blame it on a rigged system. he can blame it on a videotape that came out. but when you own a business or running a campaign, you have to blame failure on yourself. if you don't, neil, you have no reason to change. if trump understood he is the issue, not his policies, then he could address that. but he won't take that directly. he passes that off to something else. then he doesn't change. >> but you know he is right in this regard. the media does have it out for him. maybe he inspired that, or maybe they just don't like him, but the coverage he gets is ten times meaner than anything
hillary clinton gets. are you saying he accept that, deal with that, move on from that? or what? >> neil, when he had those good few weeks, he had the same amount of coverage and it was positive. he hands them the gun to shoot him with. that's those anecdotes, those phrases, those little adjectives that he drops in. that's why he really needs to stay narrow in what he says. and i think that could make a difference. if he keeps it about issues, not himself, he has a chance. >> but part of his charm is what got him the nomination, this very blunt, in your face, everyone calling out opponents and little marco and all that stuff, it worked for him. it's clearly not working on the national level if we were to believe these polls. so you would be essentially telling him whatever guy you nominated isn't working now, right? >> that only got him 40%, neil. didn't get him 51. we're talking about getting him to the 51%. obviously he can't pull away the people he's got. but if he doesn't pull in women,
hispanics, african-americans and broaden his base, he's in trouble. and he's not going to do it with the kind of anecdotes he's using. >> all right. jon, we'll see if he heeds your advice. i know he watches us. he loves us. all right, john, we'll see what happens. good to see you again. we are moments away from seeing donald trump, that's sound advice, they did polls on issues, most americans actually agree with those spelled out by donald trump. so the message is fine, how do you deal with the messenger, we'll ask pat buchanan. he's here and he's next. over time, your money could multiply. hello, all of you. get organized at voya.com.
reported in principal it's intent to buy time-warner. for 85 billion bucks. why now? and who else is in play and suddenly a hot media sector. hay, charlie. >> listen, jeff fuchs has been shopping time-warner for a few years, cable providers like at&t to a lot of people in silicon valley. a few ye-- at the media con fen there, at&t is going to step sup to the plate. here's the issue right now, does at&t have the financial
wherewithal to buy it. can they satisfy what fuchs wants? which is barely over the current trading price. and does fuchs now have to sell. those are the three dynamics that are at work right now. there's a lot of people that say there's a lot of uncertainty in the market, so if you're going to do anything, now is the time to do it, and he's got a willing player to step up to the plate, someone who's paying a lot of money. we want to point out that at&t has a market cap, they can easily borrow the money a. the shareholders of at and t do not like this. >> i don't think direct tv does either. >> the rest of the deal, the rest of the whole sector in play, and, you know, there was a time when apple was kicking
time-warn time-warner's tires, maybe apple would do something with time-warner, but the whole field would do that. >> it's been in play for two years, and you can tell, particularly time-warner, because it's considered to be decent content. >> with the exception of cnn. >> but in any event, they make money. >> absolutely. >> and i think that type of content is very appealing across the board, both to a traditional cable provider and someone like apple and google who are looking to get into content. here's the real interesting thing. apple and google would probably pay cash for this thing. they don't have the management to run it as well. they're silicon valley. at&t doesn't really have the crash to pay for this thing. >> but a very large credit line. thank you, my friend, appreciate you calling in. we are focussing on another
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important a keyworded speech with just the right tone, just the right approach can matter. so if you were to write this for donald trump now, what would you be writing? what would you be telling him to say? >> the first thing i would say is we need something dramatic because we want to capture sunday morning heins. -- headlines, all over the country, because this something on cable on saturday at noon, is not going to do it alone, so you want something dramatic, so i would say let's go -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. you're minimizing the pull that we have? continue. >> okay, they're taping you, neil, and they'll show it again on prime time tomorrow. i would grab the sunday morning press headlines and i would do it this way with three things, i would say this is what i'm going to do within my first 100 days as president and have them hard
and fast. and also something new and fresh and different than what's been said before so you go have a legitimate headline. and also take a look at your broad coalition, which is nationalist, populist, and ted cruz conservative. and it's mitch mcconnell traditional type conservatives, soild try to bring them all together. what does that is the economic issues, the taxes, the regulations and all of that, and i would put them all together and i would say, instead of being of, by and for the people as we were back in lincoln's day in 1863, this is a country, too much as become of, by and for a corrupt establishment. and here's the way we're going to clean it up. >> very good, very good. >> not bad. >> you might have a future in this. >> it's short notice. >> i would go the lincoln way, and bear with me, because i read a prompter for a living, i would make it 2 1/2 minutes, i would
make it 2 1/2 minutes, be done with it. make a powerful point. >> all right, let me contradict you on this sense. lincoln did go up there and he did speak. lincoln's speech was not carried much at all. it was not given much consideration. it was almost years later that people began to write into it a new nation. he gave a 2 1/2 minute speech and he'll get the news already. donald's got nothing to say, he's got no explanation, he's got no real agenda. lincoln presumably did that for the ages. it was a speech, i think it wasn't as good as his second inaugural, which is equally as short, which is just unbelievable. lincoln was writing for the ages. trump's got to write right now to influence people in a nation that appears to be to vote against him and for hillary
clinton. to do that, you've got to get the sunday morning papers, you've got to get the news tonight, you've got to get not only cavuto, you've got to get something new and fresh. clip, clip, clip and fresh material in there. that's what i would do. >> that's why i say you should not do it in 2 1/2 minutes, you've got to go long on this. but here's what i think could be a problem. if it's a laundry list or a 10 point plan. knowing that the media doesn't flip him over. knowing how the media cover is always against him, the voting is another issue. so how do you go over the heads of those guys who will pan, no matter what you're doing, say you know what? this makes a lot of sense. >> the truth, you've described the realty, you have to go through the media.
like it or not, the media is a window pane through which you have to address your message. one speech i wrote a long time ago. spiro agnew's speech attacking the notewoetwork, but they put the air, he got through it all and the country saw it all before the commentators could get on and say this is horrible, a violation of the first amendment, et cetera. so that's what trump needs to do to punch through a hostile media to the country that is now already going to the polls and doing write ins and all the rest of it. >> why do so many, not only presidents, the presidential candidates use the gettysberg
venue? about six u.s. presidents did, obviously dwig obviously dwight'sen -- eisenhower built a home there. >> the speech again, the get gettysberg address, i'm not going to say it was not a great speech. but what it did is, it remade the nation, if you take a look at the constitution and the bill of rights and the federalist papers and the pledge -- i mean all those documents, the word equality is not in them. democracy is not in them. what lincoln was doing was saying i'm going to remake the nation and equality now becomes elevated to a much higher plane in america politics and american life. there's a great dispute among neoconservatives, what was
the -- sovereignty a new people, or was this some new experiment that's supposed to go out to the world and we're going to start on this crusade to change all mankind, in other words aspects of the french revolution, which was designed not only for france, but the revolution was to be carried worldwide. so it's enormously important and lincoln in a way, tried to remake the nation. they were saying this is now, this is what america's all about. it's all about equality. and frankly, idea logically that has basically prevailed. >> the media at the time what there was of it, i think it was the new york telegram said it was blessedly short. >> some folks like the chicago papers and other papers say wait
a minute, that's not what we're fighting for, we're fighting to preserve the union, what is he talking about? >> he's being a bit premature. >> pat, always fun, thank you my friend. >> peter doocy is there, it is interesting when you think of all the presidents who use this as a backdrop, teddy roosevelt, calvin coolidge, dwight eisenhower, jfk. >> reporter: and donald trump's campaign is not dancing around, it's the symbolism, they say trump wants to come here because they say this is where the gettys berg address anded and president clinton gave a speech that united the nation and they say that is what trump is going to do. he is a little bit late, but we do expect him to be here in the next couple of minutes, we don't believe he's on site here yet in
gettysberg. and this is a slightly different kind of feel than most of the big rallies that he has. this is not open to the public, this was a bunch of invited guests, they're all in mostly sport coats, and their sunday best, as though they were coming to a banquet, that would normally being held at this banquet hall. the dress wear that a lot of americans have, the teleprompters are up, and we do think that the nominee will be here to give the ten principles that are most important to him for the first 100 days, along with some proposals about how to either make them happen or fix them. just a few minutes from now. neil? >> peter, dumb question on my part, but you're used to that. why is it outside? i know in the new york metropolitan area, it's been raining, but wouldn't it be more dramatic to be right outside there, some of the more famous speeches, abraham lincoln and
virtually all of them were outside. >> reporter: it would be more dpra dramatic. but we were outside all morning and it is very breezy and the forecast has been kind of ominous. for the last day or two for this part of the country. so we are inside, it is the familiar back drop, they just got the blue and white trump pens, make america great again with the flags and the podium. so any of the drama is going to have to come from the nominee and not from the backdrop, which he seems to know how to do. >> yeah, he does, he's pretty good at this stuff. in the meantime, while we're waiting for donald trump's speech. you remember what biden had to say about mr. trump, what michael moore had to say about mr. trump, and so many others, if he's considered a lost cause, why are they talking him up? maybe because they're nervous?
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trump. you're going to late getting there to gettysberg. we're following all of that. we're also following democrats increasingly are kind of cocky about polls that look good for them. no one's voted yet. there's a lot of talk about undecided voters, that momentum could shift easily, when i have heard joe biden and michael moore talk about the campaign and the candidate, is it really worthy of this kind of comment from the vice president of the united states? >> the press always asked me, don't i wish i was debating him? i wish we were in high school and i could take him behind the gym. >> tough guy, yeah. i don't know, really. all right and then michael moore, quote, people who normally vote democrat who are thinking of voting for donald trump, i want them to think about the damage they could do
by being a legal terrorist on november 8. i think there was another hollywood type that said he was fascist, and i was like, what? maybe they doth protest too much, maybe they worry that these polls might not be accurate? maybe donald trump does have a chance? fox network's very own kennedy, young american foundation. why this obsession? >> it is an obsession and it's very negative and i get really sick of both sides saying this campaign has gone in the gutter. what is joe biden saying? he's either being very kinky or he's alluding to a violent act which is unacceptable for someone who has the second highest office in the land. i understand joe's upset because he didn't jump into the pond
when he had his trumps on. he's always going to have nonbuyers remorse. that's not my problem. we have got enough to worry about with the state of the economy, trying to raise our kids and actually trying to make the country a better place without all this negativity. slow down, bro, that's all i have to say. >> you know a lot of these guys and if the polls are so good for them, and they keep arguing that, you know, hillary clinton is going into a lot of these republican states to run up the vote, i guess, and anticipates a landslide s then you don't have to do crap like this, right? >> that's right, let me tell you a little bit about the tactics, i'm never going to come on to your show and pretend to be an expert on financiers. democrats are worried about our base showing up. you're throwing out red meat because people are starting to vote right now.
just like trump in gettysberg, he's got the people who are fed up. they're going to vote, he's trying to get people come back based off of politics, democrats are throwing red meat trying to worry about the base showing up. people of color. >> should he say nonsense like that. >> i want to make a point to the vice president, not address michael moore who's got a movie coming out this week, who wants to be in the headlines. but with the vice president, this just in, we're talking about joe biden stepping over the bounds a little bit. he may have got riled up. but they're trying to get people to show up and vote. the neck at this time may gativ >> i certainly hope that talking about -- calling trump voters terrorists, and talking about
beating up the other candidate isn't what turns out the liberal base, if it is, you heard it here, i guess. but what trump is talking about, we get kind of wrapped up in the news of the day, when you step back, this is a candidate, hillary clinton who's been investigated by the fbi over this entire campaign season, she's been investigated by congress, she actually struggled to win a primary against a weak candidate, so when you take the entire scope of the election, they're worried that you can draw out on paper, so it's easy to get wrapped up in the day to day. but both candidates are unpopular and they're both nervous on either side. i hope that's not what turned out voters. >> when lee carter was hire and tracked these polls, he tracks momentum, and it's not universal. but in some states, the free fall for donald trump and stopped a little bit. clinton stays in that 45% level.
maybe he's overobsessing. maybe lee is overobsesses, maybe i'm overobsessing, obvious the polls are not reflect what's happening on the ground. >> there's perhaps a huge number of trump voters out there who are not answering the phone when the pollsters call or they're too embarrassed about voting for donald trump as president. we're disturbed about these marriages being torn apart and people losing friends on social media when they come and say this candidate has an interesting position. if there really is this big silenced pocket, that could make election day very, very interesting. we have seen the three debates, it feels like the scandals are behind us, now these candidates have two weeks to really sell a positive plan, and a positive
message, that's their choice r they going to keep nit an economic plane. if trump comes out and this is a focused policy push, you can bet that two weeks is enough to influence the election. >> if vice president joe biden or hollywood big stars come out to sort of pile on. >> you mentioned lee and he's a friend of mine too, i was going over some of the numbers with her. we have about 20 state -- there's a lot of angst out there on both sides, and we have talked about this, people feeling that they don't have any representation, squloin see a star come out or joe biden say something he regrets, does that really affect the base? i don't think it does, but in the middle, that woman that's sitting at home in the sub suur of philadelphia, she's just a working mother that's trying to make it. how does that affect them.
i they's why you see donald trump in gettysberg this morning. he needs to focus his campaign on the issues she wants to hear about. >> more after this. what's going on here? i'm val, the orange money retirement squirrel from voya. we're putting away acorns. you know, to show the importance of saving for the future. so you're sort of like a spokes person? more of a spokes metaphor.
all right, you're looking at vice presidential candidate and indiana governor mike pence, he is addressing supporters in circleville, ohio, still waiting for donald trump in gettysberg, pennsylvania. and we're getting ready in panama city, florida, bill clinton campaigning on behalf of his wife. she has been benefiting substantially from some party luminaries from barack obama to
michelle obama, and of course her husband. in a pinch, was the democratic nominee. all right, how is all this sorting out in george allen, the virginia governor, governor, i know donald trump was coming to your state polls there supposedly took that state out of reach for him. you disagreed then when i talked to you, and even now. so you think he could turn virginia around? >> well, it is possible. he'll be going down to the hampton roads area, that has a strong military presence and a lot of veterans families and he does well with veterans, i find that i do want to make a historical point here, neil, your show's the cost of freedom and mr. trump is going to be speaking at gettysberg where abraham lincoln talked about the new birth of freedom, so it's perfect that the cost of freedom show is paralleling somewhat to it.
and >> i think that's brilliant, governor, thank you. >> you're a historic show and you are a berth of freedom. and i think that donald trump, what he needs to do in this very important address, this address and this kind of positive focus was being done months ago, but at gettysberg, there are a lot of parallels, understanding the foundational principles of our country, and these are the ideas that propel a lot of people for donald trump and participation in our representative democracy, and abraham lincoln in that gettysberg address, talked about this nation being founded on the principle that all men are created equal. and that takes from thomas jefferson, a great virginian's declaration of independence from when we suceded from the british monarchy and freedom of expression and the second amendment plot rights as well as the rights and prerogatives of
the people in the the states, donald trump should remember the first amendment and never everybody again talk about their rights being diminished on account of their religious beliefs, but i think a government by of and for the people doesn't mean unelected unaccountable bureaucracies run our lives. and i think rescinding any executive order from the current president. >> are you worried when you talk to your fellow republicans, some of whom just don't like mr. trump and i almost get the sense that they would rather stab themselves in the eye than see donald trump as the nominee, and they're jinxing him. >> well, look, i was originally for marco rubio. the choice now is between hillary clinton, who is an untrust worthy liberal, whose
policies would clearly harm or democracy, versus donald trump, someone who is a successful businessman, i have some reservations with him, but i'm going to go with the successful businessman, because he has some ideas to make our country more competitive for manufacturing, to reign in these piles of regulations. >> he has some great ideas, he had a lot of great ideas. but i wonder, they're trying to divorce themselves from him. as you indicated that it might be premature, is that they want to protect the house and senate, but by running against him and ignoring him, aren't they handing the senate and the house over to the other party if they abandon their presidential nominee? >> i hope not, because i think a lot of focus is on house races and some of these hot senate races, it seems to me what folks
ought to be doing, whether donald trump or any of these candidates is focus and accentuate the positive, i think people are yearning for positive ideas. my view is you got to respect the will of the people of all the people who voted in these primaries, this is our starting nominee, and so if you don't have something good to say about him and you can certainly distance yourself or disassociate yourself from any of the statements he's made, and as i have done through it. and on election day, it's a choice, choice between two candidates. but that's the choice. and so i see no reason to go out of the way to spend more time criticizing one another, rather than ideas that most people say would move our country forward, with better competitiveness, more jobs, more security, a variety of things that people
care about rather than just a squad sniping is or having people in the digout and your own batter's at the plate and you're heckling him. it doesn't make sense to me. >> it does defeat the purpose. far be it from me to advise the party. >> far be it, you advise everyone all the time and welike it. >> governor, thank you very much, good seeing you again. >> great being with you, neil. >> all right, still waiting on donald trump, looking at bill clinton in florida right now, speaking on behalf of his life, the battle is on to keep battleground states after this. kblk
kblks. it was hillary clinton who raised lincoln, i remember the gettysberg address, i was right there, i heard you accuse other people of it this morning. and you know what happened? i actually criticized that speech for being too short. so it just goes to show -- >> and he did. fine, but the commentary of the
moment just wasn't accurate. >> the setting is important. >> absolutely, commentary of the moment is that donald trump, to hear the pollsters, doesn't have a chance. you have crunched the numbers, that said that hillary clinton could be on the verge of a blowout. is there anything in your data that talks about a shift, a brexit like shift, a columbia voter shift, when they have that agreement with the rebels and all of a sudden, who was thought to be easy passage by voters there turned into rejection. is there anything like that percolating? >> nothing that i have heard that is percolating, but of course the really big things that change election campaigns in late october or early november are big in part because they're totally unknown. they're sprung by the powers that be. or if it's even possible to
shift it at this point, it's a sharp choice, and the vast majority of people, and i mean 95%, 96%, 97%, know for whom they are going to vote. and if they're questioning their vote, it's probably between one of the major party candidates and one of the minor party candidates. that's where turn decideds are. >> a trump spokesman was talking to us early who said there were a lot of people sadly who cannot admit they're voting for donald trump, but in the privacy of that voting booth, will do just that. assuming there's some of that, is there enough of that to turn the outcome? >> there's no indication there is, but you and i have discussed over many, many years the shy tory voters and they exist, they are conservative voter who is don't admit they vote
conservative. they don't lie, they don't say they're voting for labor or some other party, they say i'm undecided when they aren't undecided. i don't see ed of that here, in part because of the hard undecid undecided, the hard undecided is low single digits, and you can't assume all of them are for trump. that's just not justified. >> i know that carter-reagan had a debate, the one and only debate only days before the general election, but what started that title wave that ended up being a rout for reagan? >> there were two events and you're absolutely correct to point to that debate which was held one week ahead of election day, what a giant mistake for president carter to agree to a debate a week ahead of election day. he thought he was going to blow reagan out of the hall, simply because he had been president and knew so much more, supposedly. and the second event that i
think was more influential, that turned a small victory into a big victory was the collapse of the negotiations with the iranians for the release of the american hostages on the sunday before the tuesday election, less than 72 hours before people went to vote, and it was such a let down and i think the carter administration had thought they were on the verge of their october surprise. that is getting an agreement to release the hostages. and instead, it turned around and bit them, and that took reagan, say, three-point victory and turned it into a ten-point victory. pat goodell as all the data on that. >> i can't wait to get that. i do want to get your idea of -- >> sometime you're not very convincing. >> but a lot of people have been saying for this gettysberg speech on the part of donald trump, he's got to be uplifting, he's got to be positive, that he's been firing off a lot of
folks. and now is not the time to do that, we're told this will be positive, this will be looking at a first 1 hu00 days agenda o what a president trump would do. what do you think of that. >> this is definitely a moment when trump should stick to the script. and take the criticism for reading a teleprompter, who cares? it's perfectly legitimate at this point in a campaign to make sure that you don't make a misstep. you do not say a word or phrase that will take three or four days away from you, so stay positive, stay to the big themes and i think most of them should be the ones he's already identified. this is awfully late to be bringing up a big, new issue, i just don't think that would work. so, yes, the setting the right, it's a good time to re-emphasize the issues that brought him to the republican nomination, that have taken him this far and this is the place and the moment to do it.
>> real quickly, this idea, obviously the pennsylvania battleground states, with the average of polls around maybe six points, maybe more. but lately there's been some bubbling up in these support there. we do know that governor pence, i think, is in ohio right now. those polls there are fairly even. of the battleground states, which do you think donald trump has a good shot at winning? >> his best shot is iowa. iowa has been a battle groungror a long time. but trump has done better in the polls there than anywhere. second would be ohio, third would be north carolina, fourth would be florida. pennsylvania would be way down the list. >> interesting. >> you might have a future at this, professor, keep at it. >> not much of one, very short future, very shootert.
>> you are a gentleman and a scholar. >> thank you, neil. we're running very, very late for donald trump here, maybe he's waiting for everyone to get out of the way, remember the famous speech of abraham lincoln was that he was writing it out on a napkin and redoing it. maybe i should say four score -- i don't know, he tortured over that and that was only 2 1/2 minutes. donald trump's we're told could be a half an hour. you do the math, this could be a while. (music playing) ♪ push it real good... (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.
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(announcer vo) you can sit in traffic. or you can crack up. (man on radio) but if it isn't refreshing... (announcer vo) sorry traffic, we laugh 'til it hurts. siriusxm. road happy. general keith kellogg right now is getting ready to introduce donald trump, we're told, i know this seems like we're dragging this on, and no, donald trump did not go on like abraham lincoln and give a 2 1/2 minute address. he's just late.
but in the meantime, the former reagan budget director donald stockton, on what he wants to hear. his big issue is our debt. and it is out of control. and david, you have been arguing for some time, as you join me on the phone now, that you want to hear prescription out of the candidates for this. fortunately it did come up in the debate with our chris wallace who is as anxious about it as you are. i want you to listen to this. >> okay, we don't have that. but it was a great exchange on the debt and he raised it and i guess what i'm asking you is, it was the first and only time in the debate it was, and that was it. and both candidates essential l punted. what do you think? >> i think we're in fiscal fantasy land a what i think, and i believe we're, you know, being subjected to a massive con job about how serious this problem is. let me give you three reasons.
one, the national debt was $10.6 trillion when obama was sworn in, it will be $20 trillion when the next president takes off. that means in the last eight years, we have added to the national debt as much as during the first 220 years of the republic. during the first 43 presidents. that's the first thing, second, he says he's paying the deficit, not true, it's going up, the year ended with up 600 billion from the previous year plus they're using phony accounting, and in the last two years we have added 1.7 industri$1.7 tri national debt. but they're using phony accounting. and hillary flat out lied when she said i will not add a dime to the national debt. what she said was i won't add a dime to what's already built in. what she did san't say, in the t
10 years, there's 9 trillion built in already before you do any of her spending programs. >> just to make a point, what we owe dwarfs the gdp of our country, we're getting to that point. how do you get that back to reasonable size? >> that was the point i was leading to, because if you take what cbo says is built in, then you realize no one has abolished the business cycle, we're not going to go another ten years without one. if you use not a rosy scenario, but realistic economic assumptions, we will add $15 trillion in the next decade to the $20 trillion of debt we already have. that's $2$25 trillion, the reas that resonates to me, when i had the job in 1981 s we struggled crossing the $1 trillion line.
in the last decade, we have got from $1 industrial yoc$1 trillin and we will be in a circumstance where the baby boom is at full retirement side and it's going to be a calamity, and there's total radio silence in this campaign about it. trump is wrong when he says he can grow his way out of it. i agree with a lot of the things he is proposing, but you're not going to grow your way out of it. you can't keep adding to defense, and we need a better revenue source than the taxes we have today. hillary has no solution at all, just more of the same. and frankly, she's going to win, the race is over, i think people keep looking for the brexit vote hid on here or there. but in a way there's a silver lining, because things are going to blow up in the next three years, there will be a stock
market crash, there will be a recession, the annual deficit will be back in the plus trillion dollar category very soon and it will all come down on her head and on the watch of the establishment. and maybe that will wake up the public, because it's going to be bad. and what trump proved in this campaign is that the establishment, you know, will do anything politically to stop a challenge. but if we have the crisis that i know is coming, then maybe this thing can be busted wide open and we have a chance to clear the decks and start again. >> all right, on that upbeat note. upbeat note -- sheesh! do you have any sharp instruments over there, guys? boy, we're shipping these goofy glasses. yeah. well, we gotta hand it to fedex. they've helped make our e-commerce so easy, and now we're getting all kinds of new customers. i know.
all right. i know what your "thinking. where is he? i don't know. he's running late. so am i going to give him a talking to. we're not just trying to string you along here. but as we continue stringing you along, we do want to let you know that an issue that is expected to come up when mr. trump does speak in get igburg, pennsylvania, and outlines his 100-day plan of what we can look forward to in the first few months of a trump administration, if he is fortunate to get elected president of the united states, among the things he wants to do is just gut the affordable care act. he said it's not affordable. and said the president comparing it to a starter home apply here. but eventually everything is okay. first of all, in my starter home, they didn't have an mri machine in the attic that was doubling and tripling for mris
the cat scans. but that's neither here nor there. rudy giuliani is getting ready to introduce mr. trump. as that's happening, guys, on pouncing on that, that's obviously the trump folks have said, this polls well for us going after the affordable care act. >> sure. i think, you know, i understand what president obama is trying to do by making an analogy of starter homes. but it's really telling everybody that this is a mess and that we need to walk away from it and buy a new home. right? it's not what you say what matters, but what people hear. what do people hear with this? the obamacare isn't working and he's admitting it. >> what do you think? >> i agree. >> everything he promised is not working out. >> no, i think that that's right in terms of the terms he used.
there's no major piece of sweeping social legislation that ever worked perfectly out of the gate. i think that hillary clinton has actually played this well. right now, americans are divided on the health care law. basically an even split of approve and disapprove. >> until they get a look at their premiums. >> i think they had a look at them. >> these initiatives are giving more to the insurance companies than they asked for. >> i think it's 37 exchanges that are only have one option, which is why i think she's going to go for the public option on the system. >> do you think we were lied to? >> by a democrat? >> yeah. >> no, i don't. i think in pursuit of -- >> well, what is affordable? >> there definitely -- i think if we could buy insurance across state lines, i think we would make a lot of progress here. >> you want to scrap it, right? trump does. >> but he -- trump's plan, 25
million people will lose their insurance. that's a really big deal. i understand the -- >> but the promise to us aren't the numbers we see. where are the numbers coming from? >> the health care costs have risen at a slower rate than in the decade before obamacare. but donald trump's plan in the repeal and replace platform is, a, it's not going to happen -- >> i think he's reaching to the broader community that says great for these millions of health coverage than ever before, touche. i'm paying through the nose for it. and i don't like that. >> i see so many free lancers, so many on-demand workers that are paying more than they ever have before. >> jessica doesn't care for those people, does she? >> i hate everyone but myself. and president obama. no, what do you want me to say? yes, premiums have gone up, but it doesn't mean the 20 million people -- >> what do you want to hear out of donald trump today? health care not withstanding.
>> to be quiet. >> someone's a hater. okay. >> i think that he should talk policy. he did it a little bit yesterday. i don't want to hear hurrah. >> here's your 100-day plan -- >> i understand that you're in a tough spot. i know the wages aren't increasing at the same rate. i represent positive change when in the fox news poll she's leading in that category. that is astounding. >> it is astounding. i don't understand it. >> but it's happening. >> democrats, are they -- i think the pile-on, are they seeing something in the poll that lee and i were chatting about it that it's not readily apparent that the gap in the polls isn't a sure thing? >> i think the internal pole polling looks a lot like the public polling. it's about where obama was in
2008. and that's working out pretty well. >> there might be something going on there, right? >> well, i mean, i look at things differently. i do think there's more undecideds now. i think the undecideds, there's something about that that i think undecideds might go trump. you need a lot of them to do that. but within the margin of error. >> there's a lot of embarrassment in knowing that you're voting for trump. it's not a silent majority like nixon style though. that's overblowing it. >> do you? >> yes, i do think that's overblowing it. he is so disliked. his unfavorables now in the mid-60s. >> hillary clinton isn't exactly -- >> it's a big difference. the democrats, if they can continue to drive the narrative to be about his behavior and temperament and groping and whatever else, it's going to be hard for -- >> but her whole message is not -- i'm not trump. >> there's more to it. stronger together.
>> you argued eloquently and beautifully. the fact of the matter is, we're still waiting for donald trump. so sometime later today, i'm told about 8:00 p.m. i have no idea. thank you very much for watching. see you later. live pictures, gettysburg, pennsylvania, rudy giuliani there on the stage as we await donald trump trump laying out his first for first 100 days in office should the voters send him to the white house. >> hillary clinton targets swing states with her own vision for the country. and a new batch of embarrassing hacked e-mails, courtesy of wikileaks. >> an exclusive look at extensive isis tunnel near mosul shot by benjamin, as they inch closer to retaking iraq's second largest city.