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that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. we are t minus 10 days from tomorrow starting election day. isn't this interesting? "on the record" starts right now. ♪ ♪ and welcome back. this is a fox news alert. i'm brit hume. this is "on the record." any moment the clinton campaign is about to speak out in iowa. earlier today, the fbi director has renewed the investigation into the clinton emails. and it gets stranger. his decision was triggered by a separate bureau investigation into anthony weiner's sexting. we have a series of reports plus analysis. this comes amid at least some signs the presidential race has tightened since the wikileaks disclosures and the recent bad news about obamacare. with 11 days to go and hillary clinton leads in the real clear politics average by 4.4 points in a four-way race and a .2 points in a two-way. there has been a notable shift, meanwhile, in the betting odds which now show
mrs. clinton favored by 3.5 to 1. this was 5.5 to 1 she held three days ago. live team coverage on today's analysis. ed henry is covering the news out of the fbi tonight. what do you know. >> the latest i have from an fbi source is that the fbi right now is going through thousands of emails that went to and from huma abedin. why is that significant? number one she is hillary clinton's most senior aide. secondly she is married separated right now but married to anthony weiner. that is how the fbi found out about these new emails. they had a separate investigation going on into his sexting and they found all of these emails that they believe tie back to the hillary clinton investigation. and what they're trying to get at is two things. number one, are these emails back and forth between huma abedin and hillary clinton, maybe? they could also be back and forth with other staffers within the campaign or any number of people. so we don't know an answer to that, number one, number two, we don't know whether or not there is classified information in those emails. that's what they are really
trying to get at. remember, fbi director james comey in giuliani had extraordinary news conference as we wait for hillary clinton maybe to have one in a few moments. his news conference in july here in washington, he laid out all of these allegations and suggested that, in fact, hillary clinton had mishandled classified information. >> suggested? he said it. >> said that but there is not enough here for there to be criminal charges. that sparked a firestorm within his own bureau. current and fbi agents have been speaking out, leaking documents. suggesting there is more here now all of the sudden the anthony weiner case provides them an avenue of thousands of more emails, i'm told. that they are goings through now. i'm also told by a senior law enforcement official look, they had a real pickle here once they found these new emails. do they sit on them and wait to investigate them on november 9th? november 10th and then have the republicans, if hillary clinton wins the election on november 8th say why were you sitting on them? if they come forward now, you have the democrats saying wait a second, is he
going to influence the election. i think what people that i have talked to, the fbi tonight say, look, comey was criticized in july for not moving forward. now he has got thousands of more emails that could have classified information underlying could, what's he supposed to do? wait until after the election he? needs to follow the facts wherever they go. >> the question really is how major this is and what he is looking at. i noticed that he said in his letter that he referred back to testimony earlier in which the investigation had been completed. now he is saying he is supplements that. to me that means something must have come up. if they don't know what's in these emails and don't know whether any of them are classified. to seems to me would not necessarily be called on to write a letter to congress to supplement. >> if this was a minor thing, why would he reopen. >> or they don't know anything. >> or if they don't know anything. trey gogowdy is a former prosecutor. he came forward a short time ago and trey gowdy said reading that statement from
the fbi director closely it led him to believe, trey gowdy as a republican, of course, led him to believe as a former prosecutor that there was something significant here. i would point this out the republican national committee tonight is putting out this separation agreement -- >> i would like to say a few words and then take your questions. i have now seen director comey's letter to congress. we are 11 days out from, perhaps, the most important national election of our lifetime. voting is already underway in our country. so the american people deserve to get the full and complete facts immediately. the director himself has said he doesn't know whether the emails referenced in his letter are significant or not. i'm confident, whatever they are, will not change the conclusion reached in july. therefore, it's imperative that the bureau explain this issue in question, whatever it is, without any delay.
i look forward to moving forward to focus on the important challenges facing the american people, winning on november 8th, and working with all americans to build a better future for our country. thank you. >> secretary clinton, have you or any of your advisors heard from consumey or anyone else at the fbi today and are you concerned at all that these new emails, that they say they have found, will in any way reveal classified information that you sent or received? >> no. key have not been contacted by anyone. first we knew about it is i assume when you knew about it. when this letter sent to republican members of the house was released. so we don't know the facts which is why we are calling on the fbi to release all the information that it has. even director comey noted that this new information may not be significant.
so, let get it out. >> secretary clinton. >> you have 11 days to go. what would you say to a voter who right now will be seeing you and hearing what you are saying i didn't trust her before. i don't trust her anymore right now. and they are heading to the ballot box tomorrow. >> you know, i think people a long time ago made up their minds about the emails. i think that's factored in to what people think and now they are choosing a president. so i would urge everybody to get out and vote early in all the states that have early voting because i think americans want a president who can lead our country and get the economy working for everyone, not just those at the top. and who can bring our country together. i offer that i can do that. and i'm very confident that the american people know that and we're going to continue to discuss what's at stake in this election because i believe that it's one of the most
consequential elections ever. >> secretary clinton. >> thanks very much. secretary clinton, this are some reports that these emails were found on devices that belonged to your aide huma abedin and her husband anthony weiner. have you spoke to huma? was she able to give you any information about that. >> we have heard these rumors. we don't know what to believe. i'm sure there will be even more rumors. that's why it is incumbent upon the fbi to tell us what they're talking about, jeff. because right now, you're guess is as good as mine. and i don't think that's good enough. so we have made it very clear that if they're going to be sending this kind of letter that is only going originally to republican members of the house, that they need to share whatever facts they claim to have with the american people. and that's what i expect to happen. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> thank you, all.
>> that obviously was hillary clinton speaking at a news conference, saying she doesn't know anything more than anybody else does about this fbi inquiry underway. jennifer griffin is covering the clinton campaign and she joins us now. jennifer, your thoughts about this? >> well, brit, it was very clear when she landed in iowa that she had no idea that the fbi director had taken this measure. in fact, they were flying at the time that the news broke and the wi-fi was down on the airplane. and so the traveling press did not know and clinton's team did not know. so, when she exited those steps and waved and smiled to the press, she did not know what was going on. she said now, after speaking twice here in iowa and not addressing it during her prepared remarks, he said she had time to then read the letter from director comby. she is calling on the fbi and the director to release the information that they have because she feels, and this is in her words, that this was irresponsible and led to innuendo because of the letter which she pointed
out was sent only to the republican leaders of committees on capitol hill. so they are baffled by this. she would not confirm what we have been reporting all day, based on a source that i spoke to that this -- the director's decision was made after his fbi agents came to him yesterday and said as a result of the investigation into anthony weiner and as a result of four electronic devices that were obtained as part of that investigation into him sexting was allegedly sexting with an underaged girl, one of those electronic devices, i'm told by sources, belonged to huma abedin, but hillary clinton would not confirm right now that she had spoken to huma about it, even though huma is traveling with her and is on the plane with her. and she would not confirm the details that it was a result of the weiner investigation. brit? >> interesting, jennifer. boy, this hardly could get any stranger. jennifer, thank you very much. donald trump, as you might imagine, pounced all over the news with the renewed
fbi inquiry whil while campaigning in maine. carl, what happened today? >> hi there, brit. it was a busy day. interesting sort of illustration just how important this is to the trump campaign. his first event was in manchester. he planned to have a meeting with opioid with a bunch of people from the community. he postponed that to have his big rally in order to make a big statement about it he immediately said this is a potential pivot point for the entire election. talked about hillary clinton's corruption as he had for weeks. then when he got to maine later, he went further on it. here is a little bit of what he had to say. >> i have great respect for the fbi for writing this wrong. the american people fully understand her corruption and we hope all, all justice will finally be served.
[cheers] >> this is the biggest political scandal since i'm surt it will be properly handled from this point forward. thank you. 11 days we are going to win the state of maine. [cheers and applause] and we are going to win back the white house. we are going to have honest government once again. [cheers] >> hillary bleached and deleted 33,000 emails after receiving a congressional subpoena. that's after. remember that. after. and lied to congress under oath about her illegal server. it's time for new leadership and it's time for good judgment. >> and you heard there at the beginning of trump's remarks he talked about his respect for the fbi for reopening this investigation. for weeks he had been saying that the fbi and the justice department were rigged and were part of the corrupt problem. now he has obviously changed
that tune. interestingly, hillary clinton in her remarks, they are calling on the fbi director to release any information to let the public know what it is. that puts her in alignment with the republican running mate, indiana governor mike pence. he was on the campaign trail today in pennsylvania. here's how he put that. >> we call on the fbi to immediately release all the emails pertinent to their reopened investigation, the american people have a right to know. and they have a right to know before election day. [cheers] >> well, there you have it, brit. the trump campaign had been hounding this issue aggressively for weeks. now they have a whole new set of arrows to put put in their quiver. and when you had to the obamacare premium spikes and avalanche of wikileak podesta emails they have a lot to go there now. brit? >> there you go, carl.
thanks very much. the impact of what hillary clinton and fbi director had to say have on the campaign. strategist and fox news contributor carl rove and from columbus, ohio, sean trendy, senior elections analyst for real clear politics. first to you, karl, what do you think? >> well, it's going to have an impact. and it isn't going to be good for her. how this plays out is going to have a big determination how big the impact is i would say for her -- i think she was right. the people who are for her already have this baked in. she is not likely to lose support among those people. the question is among the 10% of the electorate that is undecided in a two-way race or the 8% that is undecided in the four-way polls, how do they break on this and it's not going to be helpful to her. she has got a lead in the real clear politics average. and it's interesting to look at what's happened over the last four weeks. she began the month with a
2.7 lead. it grew by the end of the first week to 4.7. 6.7 the middle of the month. 6.2 and then today 5.2 so starting to go down. the question is 5.2 something that could be closed in 11 days or not? and i think this is going to help close it. i just don't know how much. >> sean, let me ask you about that. karl quickly points out what your average has shown. it has declined lately. do you ascribe that to wikileaks revelations or obamacare problems or is this just the kind of tightening of a race, at least in the polls, that we are accuss tommed to seeing toward the end? >> well, we have seen this trend over the course of the election. this election will get close and then donald trump will say something controversial and hillary clinton will open up a lead and then when he is out of the news, or bad news strikes the clinton campaign it tightens up again. this is a race that wants to be close as locks as he stays out of the way that will happen.
i think these new revelations will accelerate that tightening like mr. rove said, i don't know how much it will accelerate them. >> well, what do you think -- i mean, accelerates the tightening, do you see evidence in the battleground states of tightening of the kind that we can see in the real clear politics average? >> the state polls tend to lag the national polls a little bit. we just don't get as many of them in a particular state. yeah, we have seen evidence in a lot of the swing states, florida, ohio, a couple of these states, continued to tighten. and so, right now, they are consistent with this 5-point race we see in the national polls. but if this take as toll on clinton's numbers and the national numbers tighten, we expect the state races will tighten right along with them. >> karl rove, what do you -- it doesn't appear that the fbi is really that position where it can dump all this information out, despite the fact that both campaigns in the person of mike pence for
the republicans and ms. clinton herself for the democrats seem to want that. if that's the case, where does this story really go? normally when an investigation begins, we know that it has begun, we know something about what the substance of the investigation is going to be about. and then it goes quiet for a while while the inquiry proceeds. is that likely to happen here, do you think? and if so will that cause this whole thing to die down? >> well, look, this is an extraordinary moment for comey, director comey. he is going to have to make a decision. if this involves classified information that was on those devices, shared by huma abedin and her husband anthony weiner, they will not dump that out between now and election. there may be another issue here. the issue may not be classified information. after all the associated press is reporting these are not emails that came from her server. these may be communications between huma and her husband. what may be there is emails that contradict that whatever huma said to fbi
investigators. what we may have a question of her veracity. she may be at risk of telling lies to federal officials and either obstruction of justice or potential perjury questions. so, again, that may be easier for him to put out. evidence may just sort of dump all that stuff out pause it's not classified and then continue the investigation. but, look, this does seem to be, i think, mike pence hit it exactly right. the american people deserve to know. it's interesting enough that hillary has now said she thinks everybody deserves to know. one key question for hillary is, if this involves huma, is it in her best interest for huma abedin tomorrow to say i don't want to be a distraction, i'm stepping away from the campaign here, in the last week, 1 days of the campaign in order not to be a distraction and disappears from the campaign trail? >> what effect, sean, do you think such a resignation would have on the race? >> you know, it's hard to say. i mean, the last thing that the clinton campaign wants is for this to be kind of like donald trump would drag
out some of the con flag rations he would get into. you know, they want the story to go away. and so i don't know if having huma abedin resign keeps the story alive, keeps it more in the newspapers or helps it go away. it's really, i think, a no-win situation for them at that point. the one thing that they do not want is for email headlines to dominate for the next 11 days. >> they have never helped, gentlemen. have they? thank you very much. some accused fbi director comey abusing his power. is he? our breaking news coverage continues next.
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in light of today's remarkable fbi announcement, some on the left are livid and have accused fbi director comey interfering in the election. a group called the democratic coalition against donald trump says it's filing a complaint with the department of justice office of professional responsibility and that group is not alon. there was, for example, this from california democratic senator dianne feinstein, quote: the fbi has a history of extreme caution near election day so as not to influence the results. today's break from that tradition is, quote, appalling. it might note that back in july comey announced his findings in this investigation, dianne feinstein praised him to the sky our political panel is here ben dom niche publicist of the panelist and editor of national review jonah goldberg. what about this is improper behavior by comey intended to influence the election, jonah? >> i think you have to be higher than a moon bat to
think that comey, who i think did the wrong thing way back in the summer by not reaching the conclusion that the facts seed to be pointing him to. if you read his report log to his testimony it sounded hike he was building up to filing a case up until the end he said i'm not doing that as of a few days ago when every sort of prognosticator said looked like hillary clinton was going to win this election run away landslide that this is the moment that james comey decides to cave to pressure from donald trump and the republicans? >> he would be siding with the likely loser against a likely winner 11 days before the elections. >> right. it's strange. for all these critics paul krugman and others their tears are delicious. whatever you think of underlying questions taking the nearest weapon to hand
and saying comey is good when he agrees with me and bad when he doesn't. >> seems to me that the problem here is we are not taking the logical argument that a lot of these folks are making to its conclusion which is that if comey receives this information, is he obligated to inform the congress, having answered questions about reopening this investigation very recently and in response to that information what these liberal critics are saying is he should have sat on this. he should not have told the congress. he should not have let it be known until after the election is held. which would be incredibly irresponsible on his part. he has informed them of this. they are going to continue to look into it obviously you heard the call from hillary clinton tonight and from others around her that more information should be released. but the point is that if -- that liberals who are criticizing comey in this situation wanted him to abrogate his duty in do his job in this situation he felt the pressure to live up to. >> the pressure comes from not to whether or not he should have looked into the
matter but whether he felt compelled to in effect make it public. if you sent a letter to six members of congress or whatever it was, you might as well just go out in the street and take a mega phone and shout it to the world. >> which i do think -- i agree with ben. at the same time, i think if they had found trivial things, minor things from what they have found so far in all of this. >> in other words, the things didn't point in any particular direction, not particularly damning information. >> they would have waited until after the election simply because to write this letter now, if it's just smoke and no fire, why would you upset the applecart? why would you take all of the political heat that you are getting? there has to be something significant here that as says if they waited until after the election and then it came out that they were sitting on it, they would be accused of -- it would be worse. >> he had to choose between one firestorm and potentially worse firestorm. do you agree with that ben? >> i agree with that and i think that's exactly the kind of choice he had to make. comey cares about his reputation as anyone does. i think he understood in the after math of the decision that he made this summer,
there was going to be a focus on him by the congress particularly in this case if he had hit something significant, sat on something significant until after the election there would have been hell to pay. >> of course, from what we know, we are probably not likely to find out much more about this unless the investigative reporters on the case are able to ferret out information about what the facts are. >> although i will say just as putting on media critic hat, if this was a story about republicans, of the headline of this would be emails unearthed in pedophile probe. [ laughter ] >> that's what we are talking about here. instead, it's sanitized as you can get and a really bad story for the democrats. >> gentlemen, thank you both. don't go away. aside from any political fallout what kind of political fallout could hillary clinton find herself in? that's next. stay tuned.
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less than two weeks before election day and hillary clinton is once again under investigation by the fbi for handling of classified material. so as a matter of law, what is the fbi actually doing? as its clinton email inquiry actually been reopened or is this something much less significant? let's ask former prosecutor katie phang who is now a prosecutor in miami. >> hi, brit. >> is this a case being reopened or something else? >> oh, it's definitely an investigation being reopened
choices. look at the letter, brit, sent to the condition congressional committee. house judiciary committee you see that comey admits that they found, quote, pertinent emails. pertinent can mean a whole lot of darn things as we know not only in washington but for purposes of a criminal investigation so, really, what's left to be seen now is who is going to get a sweetheart immunity deal because they have been given out like candy thus far? >> let me ask you this. there has been some suggestion by clinton defenders that this investigation, or this inquiry that's underway now is really not about her, about hillary clinton. it may be about anthony weiner or it may be about huma abedin, but it's really not about her. does that make any sense? >> absolutely not. the investigation that's been, quote, reopened according to fbi director comey is into clinton's use of a personal server for her emails that may or may not have implicated classified emails. the fact that it was involving devices by anthony weiner and huma abedin is the source of the
information. however, it deals directly with hillary rodham clinton and to suggest otherwise is really irresponsible because no one else is the target of an investigation other than hillary clinton. >> now, wow i guess in a separate probe maybe weiner is. that's not what we're talking about here. >> exactly. >> well, can you you can reading between the lines of this letter and what else we know give me a sense, do you have a theory about what kind of information this might have been that would have brought this about? well, it's obviously something that was of the ilk of the import that they decided, they, being the fbi, decided to look more closely. i mean, thousands of emails suggest that it wasn't just a couple of casual i stumbled upon something kind of correspondence that they discovered on these devices, but more importantly, it has to be, again, relevant. it has to be important enough for a criminal investigation to continue. brit, think about the thousands and thousands of hours of manpower and the hundreds of thousands of
dollars that's been spent of taxpayer's money going into this investigation thus far. comey said it was done back in july. we know that's not the case for comey to reopen it means that he himself found something that's worthwhile that you're not going to get an answer prior to november 8th in any investigation. >> it seems -- it did seem pretty clear to me when i read the letter in which he reared to his letter in july in which he said during that testimony he mentions this in the letter that the investigation had been completed. that suggests to me that the case had been basically closed. and then he goes on to say here i agree that the fbi should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information as well as to assess their importance to our investigation. i'm seeing all kinds of words used to refer to this inquiry. i'm seeing reopen but not so much. but i'm saying review and so on: is this just a review in your judgment? i mean, can it be interpreted that way or not?
>> no. it's not just a review. it's not let me just look through some emails and see whether or not they lead to anything. there is no way he would have announced it the way that he did. i don't think there is subterfuge on the part of the fbi to do this 11 days before the election. what i want people to know as well, brit, from a legal standpoint, just because you become the president of the united states does not cloak you with the immunity from being prosecuted. a statute of limitations applies to any federal offense, even if hillary clinton wins the white house, she may face charges. and, if so, you sure as heck know that loretta lynch has no business looking at that investigation or having anything to do with an indictment. you would need a special prosecutor and the doj would have to appoint one. >> this one last question, katie, the fbi director finds himself tonight under pressure from really both campaigned to release whatever they have. is an investigating agency in the situation like this in possession of materials like, this and beginning to investigate them, is it in a position to release them?
>> absolutely not. he has no obligation to do so. it's now become another active investigation. if that's the case during active criminal investigations specifically, do you not release what you have. there is no rolling basis of discovery given to the american public like maybe in a civil, lawsuit. so because of that, comey can comfortably say i'm going to retreat. i'm going to look. i'm going to investigate. and i will reveal what i find. >> okay. katie, thank you very much. before this news broke unless of americans had already voted. what if they want those votes back? we will talk about all of this with chris wallace next.
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comey's letter to conference. we are 11 days out from perhaps the most important national election of our lifetime. voting is already underway in our country. so the american people deserve to get the full and complete fact immediately. the director himself has said he doesn't know whether the emails referenced in his letter are significant or not. >> just when the end of this most extraordinary election was in sight and the likely outcome seemed to be evident as well, yet another striking turn. the candidate now leading the polls is once again under fbi investigation for her handling of classified information. joining me now is chris wallace, host of "fox news sunday." chris, what do you think? >> wow. you know, just when you think it couldn't get any more shocking, any more twists and turns, i see you have got a copy of the letter that jim comey, the fbi director sent to all of
the top committee chairman in congress, ranking democrats. you kind of are looking at it like indiana jones going after the you know, one of the ark of the covenant. you are trying to make sense of what it says, clearly there is a new investigation, but it talks about. >> or renewed investigation. >> yes. reopening the investigation. he talks about in connection with an unrelated case, the fbi learned of existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the case. they have got to see if they're classified. they have got to see what it means. here we are. i mean as we sit here today, 11 days before the election. given the pace at which the fbi does that and comey talks about the fact as he doesn't know how long this is going to take. it raises the pros specketd that hillary clinton will be under investigation by the fbi, criminal investigation as voters go to the polls. they already are now, but on election day and that we could end up with a president elect who
conceivably, not saying it will happen could be indicted after she has become president. >> let's say this for the sake of argument that the fbi was alerted to some information, that might be pertinent to whether she mishandled classified information to a greater degree than he had previously concluded which he said was not worthy of an indictment. >> right. >> they weren't really undernewed or retaken investigation or just look at these, whatever the material is and make an asexment as to whether a further investigation was warranted. would he have gone ahead and written this letter to members of congress, apparently amending his earlier testimony that the investigation was complete? >> no. i mean, you have got to know that he hates doing what he is doing here. he had settled this case. a lot of people were unhappy with the decision he made. but on july 5th, he held that news conference. basically laid down political indictment of hillary clinton. but said there was going to be no legal case against her. and now he has to reopen
that and has to say go back on his having said that the investigation was closed in his testimony to all the members of congress. he has got to hate it. you have to assume that the only reason he is doing it is because there is some substantial question here about whether his conclusions in this case, about hillary clinton may have to be amended. >> he does say one of the things that they are going to be looking for is to determine whether the information and question is classified. if they weren't self-evidently classified, why would you bother? >> right. well, one assumes either that they are clearly or it's at least a serious question. >> does raises an interesting question about the validity, the value, the wisdom of early voting. wouldn't you say? >> well, yes and. no i mean, look, they could have day of or something. i understand your point, which is that letting people vote weeks in advance and don't know all the information, on the other
hand, do you want to make it easier for people to vote who find it difficult to vote on a tuesday, the first tuesday after the first monday in november. >> we are talking about that. but what we have in our country today is a situation which people are voting, in some cases, before the first debate and certainly many people, millions, perhaps, voted long before all three debates have been concluded, which seems to me to be the kind of thing -- why would you have three debates if people will already have voted by the time that -- by the time the third one rolls around? >> i understand and lord knows the third debate was important. >> most important releague one of all. >> that debate ended over awoke ago. you know, let's say you said okay the day after you can start to vote, to a certain degree you have got to allow the public, the voters to make up their minds what's always going to be incomplete information and are you going to say well, what if somebody comes out on the friday 11 days before
the election or i don't know where you would draw the line. >> obviously, it's possible that information can come out after the election that may make a lot of people consider. i mean election day ought to mean something it seems to me. >> well, that's a balance. i certainly do say that this raises questions about all the people -- someone told me, i don't know if it's true. i suppose i should know before i came out here, that there are three states where you can change your vote. and one wonders if some people may go back now who have voted early and say well, i want to take that vote back and i want to switch it. >> what do you think -- speaking of which, of course, how do you assess this in terms of its impact on voters who are as yet undecided or at least perhaps made a tentative decision and may react to this? >> i think it's going to have an impact. i think there was a growing feeling out there that clinton was going to win. and that may have discouraged some trump voters. you could just tell from the reaction today when trump announced this at the rally that they're going to be
more energized than ever. you have also got the revelations about the clinton foundation, the doug band memo very troubling about the blurring of lions. you have obamacare and startling increases in premiums for a lot of people. it certainly gives trump a lot of ammunition for the final 11 days of this campaign. >> right. i noticed today he got up. he made the statement as you heard about this episode and all of it entails. reopening of this case. evidentiary opening of this case. and then he moved on and he went into kind of his standard speech. he didn't stray into any of the extakennous matters that have bedelved him for a period of time which suggests to me that maybe he has figured out that this is how to campaign and he will move forward. >> the only thing i would say about that brit, is that the day is young. you never know what's going to happen. >> 11 days can be a lifetime. thanks. by the way, how are you -- >> -- we have blown up the show. >> sunday you are talking about? >> we have blown up the show. we're going to have mike
pence, the vice presidential nominee of the republican party is going to come on. >> good luck with him. >> what does that mean? >> he has been a tough interview. >> mr. hume's comments to the contrary notwithstanding. we will talk to mike pence. my guess is he will be loaded forebear on this fbi investigation. >> what else. >> debbie nunez. and i got that advice from you that i should get one of these people on -- and we will also talk to the clinton campaign. my guess is they are now scrambling for who they are going to give us. >> chris, thank you. now, is it time now to say something and think something about our federal agencies that we didn't use to? we'll take a look at that next with our panel. stay tuned.
it wasn't so long ago that when people talked about corruption in washington they mostly talked about elected officials. people walked in federal agencies might have thought bureaucratic or incompetent but usually clean. the controversies that have swirled around the fbi, the justice departmentenned the irs and state department seemed to have changed that perception. welcome back to our panel jonah goldberg and -- i don't remember any time covering news in washington which goes back quite a while when i was worried about corruption in the state department. [ laughter ] >> i think there are two things going on. one is the clintons have a tendency of just having a reverse minus touch in corrupting anything that they get involved with, forcing people to bend to them. the white house travel office, you know, 25 years ago was the least political office in the white house. >> maybe in the whole government. >> and, of course, that had to become politicized. everything becomes
politicized under them. it's sort of the arkansas way. second of all government workers, because of federal unions and government unions and the rest have basically become an interest group unto themselves and representatives of the party. >> they were protected by law from being influenced by the elected politicians, that's what the civil service is all about. >> right. >> ben have we now reached a point where the civil service's protections are actually making things worse? >> we really have. we have gotten there slowly but we have reached a point now where frankly american voters and i think this explains a lot of frustration that they have with our institutions generally. they no longer have faith that when they vote anything will change because of the growth of the bureaucracy to the point where it actually controls some aspects of our lives and is so insulated from the responsiveness that they need to have to the american people that these bureaucracies can continue going on in these ways that no one actually approves of and engage in this type of behavior. >> that gets to the question of, you know, how powerful they are and how voice can
you say they are, really. it doesn't really get -- i mean, i just don't remember experiencing a situation where you really were afraid. maybe for a period in the nixon administration that the irs was going to mishandled your private information. >> yes. >> and i always thought that when something went, you know, to the criminal division of the justice department and the fbi. that it would be handled properly. now there seems to be doubt about that. >> yeah. for the irs. >> i think a lot of these institutions are downstream of the staple cultural forces we see all over the place. everything is basically becoming politicized, polarized in terms of large institutions in our country. and when the people who staff a lot of government bureaucracy are of one political vision subject to group think the same have corrupts mainstream media have corrupted institutions in government, too. >> that has led to us a point where people no longer have faith in our institutions or each other. >> led us to more tribal and divided along the lines that jonah is referring to there
where everything is politicized and political and every decision is viewed through that lens. >> i never had any doubt really that government workers, most of them live in the washington area were overwhelmingly democrats why would you work for the government if you are somebody like typical republican who doesn't think too highly of the government. but the numbers we had yesterday about campaign contributions were really quite striking. 95, 96, 97% higher than that at justice and other government agencies which does speak to the fact that when the democrats are in power, they are really in power. >> that's right. and it's been that way for a while that the government unions give overwhelmingly to democrats through afscme and these other organizations and it's a self-protection thing. and it's a guild. >> why would you vote for a party that wants to shrink your power and shrink your budget. you are not going to do that. in the sense that it acts as kind of a -- it's a cycle that keeps going and going and never stops because you have a bureaucracy that is looking out for their own
please keep the feedback coming, folks, we really do like hearing from you. tweet me @ brit hume or email "on the record" at foxnews.com. that's about it for this remarkable night. stay tuned for the o'reilly factor in which bill will analyze the new developments in the hillary clinton email server scandal as the fbi renews its investigation. in the meantime, we leave you as always with our political quote of the day which comes from the late legendary american lawyer clarence dara who once said when i was a boy i was told anybody could become president, i'm beginning to believe it. which are a lot of people. if you used to record this show series recording. you may need to reset it so he don't miss a show. don't forget the factor is up next with more on news from the fbi.
thanks and good night. ♪ ♪ "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight: >> the fbi, they are reopening the case into her criminal and illegal conduct. [cheers] >> we have heard these rumors. we don't know what to believe. that's why it is incumbent on the fbi to tell us what they're talking about. >> a stunning turn of events. the fbi announces it is reopening the it investigation into hillary clinton's private email server because of what may have been found on the cell phone of disgraced excongressman anthony weiner. bill o'reilly will have the latest on this shocker. >> the criminal investigation of hillary clinton, the former secretary of state is back on. >> and as the polls show, the race tightening, will this news give new life