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i'm chris wallace. the death of fidel castro ignites a new debate of u.s. relations with cuba. today, the live reports on the celebration in miami. the mourning in havana. and whether donald trump will follow through on the campaign promise to undo efforts by president obama to bring the two nations closer. we'll discuss the breaking news with president-elect trump's new white house chief of staff reince priebus. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. then, we'll ask our sunday panel about the latest on the trump transition. the battle over who he'll choose for secretary of state.
dramatic flips on key issues and blueprint for his first 100 days. plus, house democratic leader nancy pelosi faces a challenge to her leadership. >> i'm pulling the fire alarm because the house is burning down. >> we'll ask ohio congressman tim brian why he is running against pelosi. >> when somebody challenges you, your supporters turn out. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. the death of fidel castro just as donald trump comes to power raises new questions about president obama has tried to restore ties between the two s countries but now that is in doubt. in a few minutes we'll have an exclusive interview with mr. uth trump's new white house chief of staff reince priebus but we start with fox team coverage. james rosen looks back at cass tra's life and legacy. but first, let's turn to rick leventhal reporting from little havana neighborhood in miami.
rick? >> reporter: chris, we are in the heart of little havana outside of versailles restaurant, the unofficial of oo miami's thriving cuban exile community and gathering here for decades for all things castro and when word finally broke he t had actually died at age 90, the street here erupted in celebration. thousands of exiles poured into the streets outside the world's most famous cuban restaurant ed banging on pots and pans, wavini flags and celebrating the death of a dictator widely hated. stealing their homes, and silencing the opposition. millions felt forced to flee boarding small boats for the treacherous 90-mile ride to south florida and many did not survive and most did not return to cuba. and thousands more keep arriving every year.
>> this day's bittersweet because we have been expecting this day to bring about liberty for cuba. and it hasn't. to and all the people that really wanted to be alive for this day are gone. >> it means a lot because at least i think this is the s beginning of the end. >> i wish my mom and dad were alive to see it! >> the scene in havana described as hushed. publicly people mourned. privately some expressed hope that castro's death would lead to a more open and prosperous future. the celebration here in little havana is expected to continue lopg after the dictator is m buried december 4th.h. chris? >> rick reporting from miami, thanks for that. castro's reign in cue da started in 1959 and over more than half a century, 11 u.s. presidents had to contend with r. including a crisis that took the world to the brink of nuclear war. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen assesses castro's complicated legacy.
>> here liberty restored. >> reporter: seizing power in 1959, 32-year-old fidel castro was the picture of a latin american revolutionary, a charismatic orator.re>>, swiftly aligning with communism, castro forged a dictatorship in havana, jailing and torturing dissidents. assassination plots hatched by the central agency he survived. >> cuban people have not spoken the final piece. >> reporter: in october 1962 the kennedy administration found soviets had n installed nuclear missiles on cuba. the cuban missile crisis saw jfk enforce a blockade and mark the closest the world came to nuclear war. a thorn in the side of 11 american presidents, castro outlived the soviet state that propped him up.. cuba's economy shrank in half.
as the western hemisphere sprouted, fidel and raul castro who assumed power when his brother fell ill a decade ago. o appearedec increasingly -- >> president castro, the people of cuba -- >> reporter: stilled the aged castro scored a victory when president obama ended estrangement and restored relations.ed tge fidel by then remained defiant writing that cuba hardly needed the united states. while his regime goes down in history as one of the most repressive of modern times, castro was not entirely without accomplishment. under his rule, cuba boasted literacy rates among latin ot america's highest and infant mortality rates among the lowest. b >> thank you. relations with cuba will become an issue for president-elect trump. joining me from the trump holiday retreat in palm beach is the incoming white house chief of staff reince priebus. during the campaign mr. trump took a hard line about barack
obama's efforts to restore relations with cuba. here he is in the campaign. >> all of the concessions that barack obama has granted to castro regime were done througha executive order which means the next president can reverse them and that i will do unless the castro regime meets our demands. >> but mr. trump in a statement that he issued yesterday about castro's death did not repeat a that pledge so the question, mr. priebus, is, does mr. trump te intend to follow through on the pledge to roll back mr. obama'su opening of relations with cuba? >> yes, he does, chris. good morning. thanks for having me. i think president-elect trump's been pretty clear that, you know, there's nothing wrong with talking to people. he's willing to talk to anybody but we have to have a better
deal. we will not have a unilateral deal from cuba back to the united states without some changes in their government. repression, open markets, freedom of religion, political prisoners. these things need to change to have open and free relationships and that's what president-elect trump believes and that's where he's going to head. talking is fine.ct but action is something that b will be required under president trump. >> so let's make sure i have ha this clear because he's calling basically for a revolution in eq cuba. full political freedom, , religious freedom. releasing the political prisoners. if he doesn't get that he'll reverse president obama's executive oefrd orders? >> no. i didn't say that, chris. i said that those were the -- that's the suffering that's happening now in cuba. but i do believe that in order for any sort of deal to take place, president-elect trump is going to be looking for some iorment in the right direction in order to have any sort of deal with cuba.
can't be just nothing and then total cooperation from the united states. there has to be something and what that something is, chris, yet to be determined but i can o assure you he'll require some movement or some schedule of movement in order to then schedule some kind of as relationship with cuba. but without knowing what those things are, there's nothing really more to talk about other than there's not a one way relationship from the united states to cuba without some it w action from the castro administration. >> but just -- just to pin this down, if he doesn't get whatever it is that he wants, would he reverse president obama's opening to cuba?tsrs >> well, absolutely. he's already said that that would be the case. i mean, what that deal is yet ts be determined but there's going to have to be some movement from cuba to have a relationship with the united states. and i think the president-elect has been very clear about that and just restating that position. >> while the president-elect isi making progress on naming his
team, it seems that something close to open warfare has broken let over his deliberations about choosing a secretary of state, especially when it comes to consideration of mitt romney. well, before you laugh, let's n make -- c >> i don't know about open warfare. go ahead, chris. >> okay. >> make your case. a >> and then make none of me. particularly in fact consideration of mitt romney and rudy giuliani. con way tweeted this on thanksgiving. receiving deluge of communications and warning against romney as secretary of state and key supporter mike huckabee said this. >> one way for mitt romney to be considered for a post like that, he goes to a microphone in a very public place and repudiates everything he said in the famous salt lake city speech. >> mr. priebus, does mr. trump consider that appropriate for hi
top advisers the lobby him in public about people he's choosing? is that the kind of white house as chief of staff you will run and must romney apologize to get the job? >> okay. so let me kind of package this up for you. there are a lot of opinions as a far as this topic and many other cabinet positions. but i think what president-elect trump said is that as he said the entire campaign, he's going to hire the best people possible and going through the process. interviewed and talked to governor romney, talked to the mayor, talked to others like general kelly.os he's going to be talking to more people next week and making the best decision for the american people. it isn't a matter of warfare. there are opinions about this and it is a sort of a team of ee rivals concept if he were to go toward the governor romney concept but i think that should tell all americans about where president-elect's head's at which is a place that will put the best possible people together for all americans no wh matter who you are, what
religion, whatever your opinion is, he wants to move forward looking through the windshield and not the rear view mirror and president-elect's head is at an a great place for americans. >> is romney going to have to apologize for the very harsh things he said during the campaign in order to get the job? >> well, i'm not -- listen. i won't do the play by play, chris, on when's required or where things are at. you know, i think things are moving forward. i think president-elect trump's going to keep talking to the right people and get opinions on what the right decision will be and ultimately his decision and i can just assure the american g people the fact he's actually even flirting with the idea of choosing a rival should tell the american people where he is at which is the best place for everyone in this country. >> let me ask you quickly aboutf another name mentioned for secretary of state and that's general david petraeus. in the campaign and we well
remember this, trump hammered hillary clinton for handling classified evidence. petraeus was convicted for that same offense. >> well, listen. talking to people and choosing people and getting opinions and learning from really smart people as far as what the right decision making process may be in choosing a secretary of state or any other position is something that smart people do. i don't think anyone could say that david petraeus isn't a vera bright, calculated, smart people and these are the types of conversations that i think the american people would expect of an incoming president that's trying to make the best on te w decisions possible for everyoner out there across the country. >> let me turn to another subject. green party presidential candidate jill stein has initiated a vote recount in p wisconsin and she's talking about doing the same in pennsylvania and michigan and now we are hear from the clinton campaign's top lawyer that they're also going to h fro cate in this recount.
what is mr. trump's reaction to all of that, especially the clinton campaign's participation in this recount? >> well, first of all, president-elect trump won a historic electoral landslide. this is an electoral process. it's not a popular vote process. he had the best performance lence ronald reagan in 1984 winning over 2,600 counties, 9 of 13 battleground states. historic margin that we haven't seen in the party in a long, long time. that's number one. number two, if it was a popular vote, he would have won it, as well. >> i know. but i'm talking about the recount. >> i got it. it's ridiculous. this is a fund raising, notoriety driven fraud by a person who won 33,000 votes in wisconsin to president-elect trump trump who won 1.4 million so here we have a person ot w perpetrating a fund raising scheme that has lost by over 1.35 million votes in wisconsin that r attempting to undo a
28,000-vote lead. it's a total waste of everybody's time. >> what do you think -- >> and in fact -- >> what do you think of the hillary clinton campaign now joining in on the effort??nkct>> >> well, what i think is it's -- let's just assume that's true. i wonder whether nate alliance and others back off since election night hillary clinton said it's time to accept the results and look to the future and their team cut a deal with s our team saying when the ap called the race they would call within 15 minutes and concede which they did.he it's a xreet hypocritical joke that the people that thought they were nervous of president-elect trump not conceding with the people conducting recounts in states where we won by over 68,000 votes.yp i think the american people know it's a waste of everyone's time and money and only to divide this country when we need to
come together, no matter who you are, republican, democrat, race, gender, whatever it is, and look forward to the future of me n mu rebuilding this country and getting us become on track. that's what president trump will do. this is a total and complete distraction and a fraud and something that they should drop. but look. iot they'll waste our time. and we will staff up with l thousands of people. we'll sit there and look through ballots. we'll win again for the second time. and they'll lose again for the second time but our country doesn't need it. >> okay. let me get into two more quick issues with you. >> okay. >> president obama opened, seemed to open the door to major flips on policy this week. in an interview with "new york n times," and i want to put up several of the things he said. backed off the pledge for appointing a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton. says he now has a, quote, open mind about pulling out of the paris climate agreement and he said that general mattis p
considering for second of defense may have changed his mind on torture. here we go.fe >> what do you think about -- >> he said i was surprised. he said i've never found it to be useful. >> how flexible is mr. trump about the promises he made to >i the american people in the campaign? >> well, look. it is not a matter of flexibility. i think it is a matter of it listening and declaring to the american people that, look, he is not -- let me if i can hit y. each one of them very quickly. i won't take up a lot of time but on the issue in regarder to hillary clinton, his point is he's not seeking methods of ways to prosecute hillary clinton but i would tell you if the attorney general and the congress find evidence that would indicate that something needs to happen and our attorney general jeff sessions and the doj says something needs to happen, i suspect president-elect trump id open to listening to what that is but it's the doj's call.
number two, as far as the issueu on climate change, only after saying after asked a few questions about it, look, i'll have an open mind about it but he has his default position which is that most of it is a bunch of bunk.bo but he'll have an open mind and listen to people. i think that's what he's saying and third thing as far as general mattis, a person he respects. he said you would be better with a pack of cigarettes and cup ofs coffee than waterboarding. that was an impactful statement of a guy that people ought to listen to and i think that's what president trump is saying. all in all, this package of statements is something that should give americans just a total peace and hope that we've got a person in the white house that is listening to people, is listening to the smartest people sngamerica and wants to lead our country for all americans. and meantime, we have hillary clinton wanting to do a recount over 68,000 votes. this is the contrast.
a person who wants to look forward, not backwards. that's what you have in president-elect trump. >> mr. priebus, thank you.th thanks for your time. it's always good to talk with id you, sir. >> thank you. up next, we'll ask our sunday group what castro's death and donald trump's presidency will mean for the future of u.s. relations with cuba. what do you think? will mr. trump rolls back the efforts to restore ties with cuba? ties with cuba? it's easy to love your laxative... ...when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. ♪
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miami last night where cuban-americans celebrated the passing of fidel castro. time now for the sunday group. michael nedum head of heritage action for america. wall street journal's washington bureau chief. julie pace covering the white house and the transition for the associated press and fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen. editor of a collection called "a torch kept lit". it is a good read. well, michael, as i discussed with reince priebus, donald trump took a hard line in the campaign about reversing president obama's executive orders trying to restore relations with cuba unless there's major changes of what goes on in cuba. you heard me pursuing the issue with reince priebus today. were you satisfied with the questions? >> i think it's an important issue and president-elect trump said it's a different tone in
american foreign policy from the naive foreign policy of eight years which is made the world a far, far more dangerous place than it could and looking at president-elect trump's statements yesterday and the strong moral tone he took, placing america firmly on the side of the cuban opposition and compared to it to the left of president obama's anti-septic statement of this statement of justin trudeau of canada and jill stein's tweet just offensive and something you would never imagine anybody in america with a moral compass saying, you show a serious contrast of president-elect trump and a moral seriousness about american foreign policy and what we have had under the obama administration. >> julie, let's go back. two years ago president obama announced to make a number of efforts and two executive orders to restore diplomatic relations and some economic ties with the castro regime.
how locked in is that? or, can president trump reverse it with a stroke of a pen as he says he can? >> almost all of it can be reversed. there's regulatory changes made so most of it is able to be rolled back. what i think is most interesting to see will be how trump responds as a businessman because one thing that is happening is that you have enormous u.s. investment from airlines, cruise ship companies, hotel companies, telecom companies on the ground in cuba right knowledge. they have investments planned out. do they appeal to trump as a businessman saying you would want to be on the ground for this, as well. i think he would face blowback from the business community. >> as a private businessman, he had made some entrities to the cubans to see what was possible there. >> right. tough wonder if the election had gone a different way and looking at a trump hotel in havana.
>> james, you are analyzing castro and cuba for years. from this vantage point and you did a very interesting obituary piece for us at the top of the show, how do you assess his legacy? >> i think historians regard it as enormously destructive for the cuban people and for the western hemisphere. this is reflected in any number of metrics we might employ such as gdp, just the caliber of the air quality and the infrastructure in cuba. and even if raul castro were inclined to move swiftly toward liberalizing of political freedoms and market freedoms and there's no indication he is ready to do, it would still think i think decades before cuba could fully recover from the castro legacy. >> you know, i have learned this from talking the people over 24 hours, there are an awful lot of people, i don't know how old you were in the cuban missile crisis or if you were born yet. take us back to the momentousness of that moment in
1962. >> sure. you had president kennedy fresh from the disaster at the bay of pigs confronted with -- >> trying to overthrow castro. >> a u.s.-backed invasion of cuba that didn't work and poorly executed. and 90 miles from our shore nuclear weapons and debate about what action he should take and some were arguing for preemptive strikes on the cubans and so forth. kennedy in the end quietly used diplomacy and agreeing to withdraw the missiles in turkey aimed at the soviet union. >> for folks who weren't alive then or too young, it was as close as we have ever come to a nuclear war with the soviet union. it was a very frightening moment, i have to say as somebody that lived through it. jerry, no question that castro was a brutal dictator and also fair to say, one of the giants,
one of the really important figures of the 20th century. how do you think history will judge him? >> first point is love him or hate him, he is one of the big figures of the 20th century and remembered as such. he was the answer to one of those dinner party questions and who would you like to have dinner with? castro was a good answer for a long time and somewhat mysterious figure and huge figure. >> you didn't want him running the country. >> no. different issue and different dinner party question there. i think the historical question to be debated for decades to come is whether he's simply the dictator supplanted because that's what he was or the result of american pressure and couldn't find a way around. that's the classical liberal conservative debate of castro. did he have to be that way or make him that way? i think the reality we find out about his brother and the missing element here. when's raul castro? he's got a chance here to make some changes. it's not clear he wants to do this.
>> one of the things that -- clearly he was in the very center of the stage in cuban missile crisis and more than half century ago. why do you think he's continued to be such a source of fascination certainly in the u.s. and for a large part of the world this half century? >> i for a couple of reasons. he was the last holdout, the last communist holdout really in many ways and a fixation with castro that took hold in the cuban-american community here. they developed a political voice that was unmistakable and couldn't ignore it entirely and i think castro didn't give in. he could have figured out a way in the jimmy carter administration to create a group and dug in the heels and that never really happened. >> you talk about that. i covered a number of politicians, particularly republicans who running for president would go down to south florida and i'm sure we've all
done that and they would pay their respects and sound the anti-castro alarm to the cuban americans. >> over your shoulder in congress, there was a -- a bipartisan don't give in to castro constituency that developed and held firm for half a century. >> all right. we have to take a break here. president-elect trump is filling out the cabinet. will me pick one of the harshest critics in the campaign to be secretary of state? plus, what would you like to ask the panel about mr. trump considering mitt romney for the job at state? go to facebook or twitter, @fox news sunday and we may use your question on the air. @fox news sunday and we may use your question on the air. when you have a cold, you just want powerful relief. only new alka-seltzer plus free of artificial dyes and preservatives liquid gels delivers the powerful cold symptom relief you need without the unnecessary additives you don't. store manager: clean up, aisle 4. alka-seltzer plus liquid gels.
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and focusing on his policy agenda. we're back now with the panel. so, president-elect trump has clearly reversed himself on his pledge. you heard there in the second debate. to name a special prosecutor and as he also put it to put hillary clinton in jail for her mishandling of classified information. he says she suffered enough and wants to move on. jerry, what's that tell you about mr. trump's campaign promises? and what does it also say -- i thought reince priebus trying to clean it up today about his understanding of the independence of the justice department? >> well, look. i mean, the first thing it tells you is that trump supporters might be in for disappointments if they took things said in the campaign seriously. it is not the only one. there's move back on climate change -- the rhetoric of climate change, for example. maybe trade, softens, as well. and i think that that's kind of what happens in presidential transitions. we were long enough to remember bill clinton promised a middle class tax cut and then went away
magically. these things happen and i think a fair number of those in the trump world. i think the saving grace for donald trump is that i'm not sure that the supporters of donald trump took literally the things said in campaign and may not hold him account letter for letter but there's softening. >> i thought the "the new york times" interview was encouraging. when you look at the answers, i thought he got most of them exactly right. on climate change, look, we shouldn't accept this false liberal consensus on climate change but have a conversation about the climate, when's man's role in it and 0 what are the right public policy responses and the damage done to the economy offset by the alleged benefit to -- i thought on trade it was a great answer saying, look, i got off the phone with bill gates, tim cook and i told tim cook the greatest moment of the presidency is when apple opens factories here to make it an environment that people want to build factories. i thought as a conservative reading this "the new york times" interview, the headlines were absurd and what you expect
"the new york times" to put out there. the policies i thought were very, very encouraging and very good and shows the kind of growth of donald trump into a serious conservative politician. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and got a bunch about the issue of -- well, there it is. trump considering mitt romney for secretary of state. how can you consider mitt romney when he's called you a phony, a fraud and doesn't agree with you on almost anything? james, as our state department watcher, how do you answer mr. dill? >> well, if mr. trump were committed to mitt romney as a selection for secretary of state and i think that's far from clear just yet, it would i suppose bespeak a certain magnanimity of the character on the president-elect's part and demonstrated that with the selection of nikki haley, governor haley, to be u.n.
ambassador and she was not exactly a trump supporter in the campaign either. >> beyond the rhetoric of romney of trump in the campaign there's a bigger question of what they believe on policy. if romney decides to go forward with this and trump selects him, romney will be carrying out the policies of the trump administration and trump needs to make sure that romney is on his page, not the reverse. >> where it's most clear is russia. in the 2012 campaign, governor romney said that russia is main threat to the united states and donald trump sounded different tones throughout the campaign on that. i would simply say, also, the tweets by conway about governor -- >> this is the thing i made the deal of reince priebus about, i mean, consider me old-fashioned but the idea that the top transition adviser is tweeting out about all the conservative blowback about romney, that's kind of unprecedented. >> and we would be ill advised
to imagine that it was simply kellyanne conway on her own. >> you think it's trump trying to put out any support for romney? >> i have heard from sources in the campaign an effort to nudge romney toward withdrawing his anymore. >> why ask him in the first place? >> well, look. it didn't look donald trump look mad for romney coming to new jersey to be seen with him. >> look. i think that this is one of the important things that happens in a transition. you can use personnel decisions both to reinforce the policy and broaden out the base and this was an unusual campaign and there was a narrow base of support in the republican party. it is a good opportunity to broaden that out and i think using some picks maybe not mitt romney necessarily but using some picks to sort of show that there's a broader base for the trump presidency than appeared within the party in the campaign is not a bad idea. >> as a movement conservative would mitt romney give you heart burn? >> no. a fine secretary of state. this is a pretty personal decision for president-elect trump. i think one aspect not just who's the secretary of state, but how do they work as a team with the rest of the national
security apparatus is a genuine concern. >> i want to turn to another subject which i think i have to say frankly i find astonishing which is the recount. and here you had donald trump being asked, frankly, by me in the third debate about whether or not he would accept the results and now the green party candidate jill stein initiating a recount in wisconsin talking about doing the same in michigan and pennsylvania. you can kind of understand it from her point of view. she is trying to raise money and build up her name. but julie, now we have the clinton campaign, the top lawyer of the clinton campaign saying they'll participate. what do you make of that? >> there's a small legal aspect of this that i think is understandable you want to have your campaign represented.
i think the trump team will probably end up having a representative there, as well, to make sure that their interests are being monitored. i do think, though, it is incumbent on hillary clinton to come out in some way and reiterate what she said the day after the election which is that she accepted the results and that donald trump was going to be our next president. you're hearing that from the white house. i don't think you're going to see a ground swell of democratic support for this idea but hillary clinton needs to do that and if she doesn't then we need to be as tough on her as we were on donald trump during the campaign when he questioned whether he would accept the results. >> let me if i may pick up on that because the white house is definitive from the podium and paper statement in the last day or so saying we accept the political results and don't think it's hacking and the correct result. not the right result but the correct result. and do they have any heartburn about clinton getting involved in this some way? >> if the clinton campaign or other democrats looking for support of the white house they're looking in the wrong direction. they're to custed on the transition to the trump administration and they know how
dangerous it would have been how dangerous it is to be openly questioning the results of the election, to be suggestioning there's hacking when experts of the clinton campaign talked to and the white house and intelligence agencies said there's no evidence of that right now. >> the whole thing is a lot to take. the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth from the left. if anything remotely similar went on from a republican especially donald trump would be endless and looking at why people feel like cultural elites, the media establishment, don't get them, the notion this is going on and hillary clinton is joining it, the notion that the campaign -- stop it. donald trump won the election. donald trump is going to be the president of the united states. the alt-left needs to move on. >> the legal team while jumping in said we recognize that both margins of the size never overturned. >> we are talking at the least in michigan about 10,000 votes and --
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a look outside the beltway at youngstown, ohio, an old steel town that's in the congressional district of our next guest. on wednesday, house democrats choose their leaders for the new congress. and nancy pelosi who's held the top job for 14 years faces an unexpected challenge from a former supporter who says democrats won't regain the majority with her in charge.
congressman tim ryan describes it as david versus goliath. welcome. >> good to be with you. >> let's put up some numbers. in 2009 after barack obama was elected president democrats held 257 seats to 178 for republicans. but look at the swing. next year, democrats will have another 194 seats to 238 for the gop with a couple of races still not called. congressman, how much is nancy pelosi to blame for that? >> well, i want to talk more about moving forward but we lost a significant amount of seats in 2010. didn't really do well in '14. lost again in -- or didn't do well in '12 and picked up six seat it is last time. in 2010, the republicans ran $65 million worth of 160,000 ads tying our candidate to our leader. >> pelosi. >> pelosi and sank us. who do we move forward? >> let me go back.
what is it you think makes her so unappetizing to voters? >> $65 million in republican ads. i think our failure as a caucus has been not to focus on economic issues. i think we -- i'm sut portative of the issues we talk about but you need a robust economic message that covers everybody and we failed to do that. i think -- >> we'll get to your platform in a minute but the state of the party because i want to look at some other numbers of where house democrats are from now in the country and let's put this map up. more than one third of the members in the new house, democrats, come from just three states. california, new york and massachusetts. almost two thirds are from either the west coast or the east coast. are democrats no longer a national party? and if two thirds of them come
from the two coasts, isn't a san francisco liberal like nancy pelosi a shoe-in to get re-elected? >> i don't think so. i think even the me believes from the coastal areas recognize that we are not a national party right now. there's -- we can't claim to be. and i think they recognize. these are the smartest political figures coming out of their areas. they're the member of congress. they've beaten mayors, beaten low call elected officials to get the position. most seasoned political figures in the region. they understand politics and i think they understand that this is about having a new message and a new messenger and be able to reach those folks in the numbers are big but they know that if we don't get the middle of the country we are never going to be back in the majority. >> here's how pelosi explained the election results about ten days ago. here she is. >> problem is more with the communication than it was with our policy.
so, our lives are dedicated to those very people who didn't communicate it -- the successes we had. >> is it just a communication issue? >> it's a big part of it and ke can't seep saying it's a communication issue. we have been saying that since 2010 so we have got to figure out how to have the robust economic message, and we're not communicating -- they left us in droves. they went for trump or stayed at home. and without a good message that connects deeply with them, what we're talking about ishlss that they care about, the family talks about at the kitchen table, they'll never come back and we need a leader to come go into the congressional districts and be able to pull trump voters back and energize those that we need at the polls. >> drill down into that now. you say that you are proposing a platform that could reach out to a lot of the congressional districts that went for donald trump in the south, in the rust
belt, in rural areas. what is it? >> well, one example -- manufacturing. we have not had a robust manufacturing platform, steny hoyer has a make it in america plan. we need to have discussions about what the tax code and next generation of advanced manufacturing. >> i want to get into that. i have been going out with politicians since 1980. ronald reagan went to steel factories in pittsburgh and said we are going to bring these back. we are not going to bring them back. i think -- >> what are you saying? >> i'm glad you asked me. the low end manufacturing, we are never going to get back. i think we are lying to our that everything that went to china somehow is going to automatically come back if we just wave a magic wand or just
have the right policies. i'll give you an example. we have a billion dollar steel mill in youngstown that's making steel pipe, steel tubing. that's an opportunity for us with some high-end manufacturing stuff. the stuff that really takes a lot. in aerospace. i think the clean energy is a boom. i don't think democrats talked about clean energy as a way to resuscitate manufacturing. if you look at a windmill, chris, 8,000 component parts, gear shifts, hydraulics. there's a sidewalk mile of concrete in a wind turbine. these are things that we make in places like youngstown, gary, indiana, milwaukee. if we're going to resuss state manufacturing, a strong move to a clean energy economy is not just good for the environment but good for the places like the ones i represent to bring those jobs back. >> give nancy pelosi her due. she's a master fund-raiser. she has been extraordinary in keeping the house democratic caucus unified. let's talk about tim ryan because critics say you've been
in congress 14 years and haven't left much of a legislative mark. they say the two biggest issues you've pushed are one that you host meditation sessions every week on capitol hill and then you've got some federal money to teach quote mindfulness to students in your district. it's not much of a legislative record for 14 years, sir. >> i sit on the appropriations committee and let me say first and foremost that i think that the capitol could use a little mindfulness. i think we could all turn the dial down a little bit and start talking to each other like human beings, maybe we'd be able to get stuff done. i think it's important that we have a mind-set that keeps us aware and focused on the issues at hand as opposed to getting -- >> trump voters, he's the meditation guy? >> i think it's a part of innovation in education. if you look at social and emotional learning, which i got the money from, they just did a met ta analysis of 300 hss this kids that are participating in social and emotional learning in
schools. 11 percentile in test scores. closes the achievement gap. 10% increase in behavior. 20% swing in the mood to have school, so we need to start approaching our education system in an innovative way. these are the kinds of things i'm trying to push because they work. i think we could have the same old fights we've been having for 30 years or take issues like social and emotional learning in our schools that are based on the latest brain science and close the achievement gap. that's where we should be talking. let me talk about my experience real quick. i've been in congress 14 years. on the appropriations committee. we are in charge of trying to move legislation. i sit on the defense appropriations committee. i've sat on the armed services committee. i sat on the education committee. i sat on the labor health committee, transportation and housing committee. i've been involved in the appropriations process. i sat at the heels of dave obey. i was quiet. we did the affordable care act,
the recovery act, the auto rescue. i learned a lot and am ready to put that knowledge now to work for the entire caucus. >> conventional wisdom is maybe you're trying to build your profile maybe run for governor in two years but you don't have a chance of beating nancy pelosi on wednesday. she says two-thirds of the caucus is signed up to vote for her. >> those aren't the numbers. there's a lot of consternation in our caucus now and we're making a hell of a run at this thing and i think we have a shot to win. i've been making calls for the last three or four days. people have been home with their families over thanksgiving. and people are saying, look, this has been a change election. we want change. there are a lot of members of congress who are understanding that we need to make a change. we can't keep running the same plays, chris, we're not winning. winners win and we need to put leaders in place to give us an opportunity to win the house back. we're down 60-some seats since 2010. we have the smallest number in our caucus since 1929. we got to do something differently. >> congressman ryan, thank you.
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