tv Americas Newsroom With Bill Hemmer and Martha Mac Callum FOX News December 15, 2016 6:00am-8:01am PST
bill: nicely done. morning, everybody. a showdown between the intelligence committee and congress, the chairman requesting a briefing on that alleged russian interference in the election. that request was denied. the meeting has not happened. how come? i'm bill hemmer, good morning. it is now thursday, how you doing? maria: you pose an interesting question, one to which we shall dig in -- bill: yes, we shall. maria: the committee wanted to hear from fbi director james comey and also the cia director, james brennan, because they've been giving different stories on who's behind this alleged hacking, but they said, no, we don't have time to speak to the
committee this week, and they are still doing the investigation that was proposed and requested by president obama. so this snub is sparking quite a bit of anger from lawmakers. >> this violates all protocols, and it's almost as if people in the intelligence community are carrying out a disinformation campaign against the president-elect of united states. it's absolutely disgraceful. and if they're not doing it, then it must be someone in the house or the senate who's leaking false information. and there should be a full investigation of this. maria: what's going on here? peter doocy live in washington. peter, the president-elect has weighed in this morning. what's he saying? >> reporter: just few minutes ago, the president-elect posted a between where he continues to express skepticism that russia was involved with these hacks. he wrote this: if russia or some other entity was hacking, why did the white house wait so long to act? why did they only complain after
hillary lost? republicans reveal they've been getting their most recent updates through the news, and they're trying to confirm with the cia what is true and what is not, but they can't get anybody from the cia to come and tell them what's up behind closed doors. so republican congressman devin nuñes says this, quote: the legislative branch is constitutionally vested with oversight responsibility of executive branch agencies which are obligated to comply with our requests. the committee is vigorously looking into reports of cyber attacks during the election campaign, and in particular we want to clarify press reports that the cia has a new assessment that it has not shared with us. so even if some lawmakers complain about leaks that came out of a previous closed-door intel briefing, others want the cia to come back and brief them again. martha. maria: we're going to dig into this today. there are also new reports this morning about the extent of vladimir putin's involvement in
this whole issue and whether or not there was a hacking effort that was specifically guided to help donald trump win the election. >> reporter: right. he was, putin was reportedly the one looking at all the hacked files and telling russian operate9ives what to do -- operatives what to do with them. if that is, indeed, the way things were going, then the way the white house has been explaining its point of view, putin would have actually have been taking orders from then-candidate donald trump. >> republican nominee himself calling on russia to hack his opponent. it might be an indication that he was, obviously, aware and concluded -- based on whatever facts or sources he was, he had available to him -- that russia was involved. >> reporter: and this morning top trump ad visor kellyanne conway called that comment extremely disappointing.
maria: more on this to come. peter, thank you. bill: in the meantime, brand new fox polling first ticken since the -- taken since the election, the majority of americans, 59%, think the russian hack did not matter while 32% think it did help mr. trump get elected. stephen hayes, how you doing, sir? >> morning, bill. bill: so you're at 60% in that poll doesn't appear the story's changing minds, steve. >> it doesn't. i think there's the potential given the other results we have in this same fox news poll showing that the american people have high confidence in the cia generally. i think there's the potential that you could see more people start to believe this. but as of right now, it doesn't seem that the american people, at least those we've polled in the fox news poll, are buying the story. bill: more on that point about donald trump's dealings about russia. this is what we found. 50% find that he has been too accommodating. so we're going to have to see where this relationship grows
and goes, and either way it will be intriguing, steve. >> yeah, it will be. look, i think there's a reason that 50% of the people that we polled think that donald trump was too accommodating. if you look at his rhetoric throughout the campaign, of course, he was on both sides of many issues as the campaign unfolded, but the one place that he was remarkably consistent was in this warm, excuse me, this warm embrace of vladimir putin and a willingness to try to seek better relations with russia if he were elected. i think many americans see that as too accommodating especially given the expansionist aims of vladimir putin in russia over the last four years. bill: okay, but you just heard the white house. that's an unusual thing. this honeymoon has lasted 12 hours, steve. josh earnest is saying trump obviously knew the russian hacks were benefiting him during the election, and peter kick saying, listen -- peter king saying,
listen, if you've got the goods, show it to us. >> yeah. i think the comment from peter king is actually the important comment here. what you're having is a campaign of leaks. the nbc report that peter and martha just discussed, that's a serious allegation that vladimir putin himself directed the hacking to interfere with the u.s. election. it's sourced to two senior u.s. intelligence officials. if they have that information, it is incumbent upon them to provide it to the american people, to provide it to the oversight committees in congress. and i would argue to do it in an open session. if i were chairman devin nuñes and seeking more information, i would insist these hearings take place in an open session so that the american people can see the evidence we've accumlated and evaluate it on its merits rather than relying on leaks from a cia that, i have to say, has been rather political throughout the obama administration. bill: these electors want to see this evidence before they vote on december 19th.
that's a five-day window. based on what we're hearing, i don't expect it to happen by then. >> no. bill: if that's the case, then this drags into 2017, correct? >> it does. and, look, the issues at the core of this is are important enough that they should be continued to be discussed in 2017 because they matter to sort of the fundamentals of our democracy. bill: twelve-hour honeymoon. get back at it. stephen hayes, thank you so much in washington d.c. >> thanks, bill. martha: we will talk with ohio committee. reaction the intelligence agencies. that comes up right here at the bottom of the hour. and president-elect trump calling out the media on twitter this morning. he was quite active on twitter today so far. the media, he says, tried so hard to make my move to the white house as it pertains to my actually, it isn't.
meanwhile, mr. trump naming rona romney mcdaniel as the next leader of the rnc. she is the head of the michigan gop, and he's also mitt romney's niece. so there's that to keep an eye on this morning. all of this as a busy day with some of the sultans of silicon valley, telling the group he wants to, quote, help them do well, adding this: >> we want you to keep going with the incredible innovation. there's nobody like you in the world. there's nobody like the people in this room. and anything we can do to help this go along, we're going to be there for you. you'll call my people, you'll call me, it doesn't make any difference. we have no formal chain of command around here. bill: the meetings, yeah. martha: very interesting. bill: what do you think the net worth was at that table, martha? [laughter] elon musk, he's built rockets,
the head of apple, steve cook and on down the line. martha: one of the main criticisms of the obama administration was that they had nobody from the private sector, and now one of the criticisms the trump team is getting is they have too many people from the private sector. quite obviously, donald trump is divide comfortable -- quite comfortable. bill: and i think that last comment too, listen, he's pretty much saying it's an open door. if you've got ideas, come and tell us, and we're going to work with you. these companies that have a lot of money overseas, they're going to try and work to get that money back here in the u.s., and if that happens, the dow could break 20,000. martha: they're going to pick up the phone, no doubt about it, just based on what we're hearing. bill: i think it might be a trillion net worth there. packed show. in a moment, nancy pelosi's daughter -- also a california elector -- making the case that hacking may have tipped the scales in the election. neil cavuto was having none of that.
>> i think there are several factors in winning and losing -- neil: she lost, she lost. the russians -- she lost. >> no. no, i don't know that you can say that. bill: should the electors get a briefing on the intel before it votes on monday? we'll talk to a member of the trump transition team about that and more many in a moment. martha: march democrats saying they are open for a change in obamacare. the reasons behind that change of heart. bill: also a witness revealing in the dylann roof murder trial how she was able to survive the massacre that killed nine of her fellow churchgoers. >> he's still in here, i'm afraid. he's still in here. >> where are you? >> i'm at emanuel ame church -- >> yes, ma'am, but where are you inside the church? see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop
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martha: closing statements are set for this morning in the dylann roof murder trial after after the jury or heard testimony from one of the three people who survived the 2015 massacre at the south carolina church. the witness revealed that when roof pointed the gun at her, he did not pull the trigger. instead, he told her that he would let her live so that she could tell the story of what happened there. chilling reports coming out of this whole testimony. the prosecution played part of her 911 call to the police.
martha: he is charged with 33 counts in the shooting that left nine churchgoers dead. if convicted, he will face the death penalty. ♪ ♪ >> this is really about finding out the truth about -- neil: so you would do the same if it were reversed? you'd do the same if it were reversed? >> if it was reversed, neil, you know and i know the congressional republicans would already have held hearings first thing monday morning. neil: i don't know that, but you would be urging the same meeting of electors to study this information? >> we have to find out the information. we have asked for declassification of --
neil: you're not answering my question. you would have the same zeal and robust attitude about getting this out -- >> i would want to know, if they hacked the election on behalf of -- i'm for more transparency. bill: that's how it went. that is california elector christine pelosi, leading the push for an intel briefing, the daughter of the house minority leader, nancy pelosi. wants to know whether or not russia was behind the hacking of the dnc. some democrats believe it cost hillary clinton the election. marsha blackburn, republican from tennessee, also a member of trump transition team, with me now out of tennessee, and welcome back here to "america's newsroom." do you want to know if russia meddled in our election? >> everybody wants to know if russia meddled in our election. we know they have not been our friend for a long time. we know we need a better relationship with hem. but, you know, bill, i think everybody wants to know what they were doing, and i think one
thing that you can't deny they say, well, there were all the e-mails, and the russians were behind the hacks. no, the russians didn't make these individuals write those words in those e-mails, and so while we do want to get to the bottom of what has transpired, i think we do have to realize, you know -- bill: when democrats say it cost her the election, what do you think? >> i think that is another of their justifications in a long list of justifications of why they lost. and they need to start learning from why they lost. they completely misred the american people -- misread the american people. they were out of step, and they had a candidate that the american people did not like and didn't want to vote for. bill: so how does this story end though? where does it go? >> this story -- yes. this story is going to end where it ought to end. the house, chairman nuñes, has said they are trying to get their investigation, they are trying to find out why there is
a difference of opinion between different agencies. they're frustrated with the lack of a briefing. what we have to realize is this will go through regular order and through the proper channels to get to the bottom of what has or has not happened. it also will, hopefully, lead us to appropriate legislation for data security, increased cybersecurity and putting in place the safeguards the americans need. bill: that'd be a big change. >> yes, it would. bill: we did a big poll that came out last night. one of the many findings, you ready? yes, you believe trump truly will do the following. number one on that list, 68%, repeal obamacare. >> yes. bill: as you know, repealing and replacing can be two different things. there's a story suggesting today that democrats would support replacing it after it is repealed. now, just to refresh be everybody's mind -- refresh everybody's mind, six years ago
not a single republican voted for obamacare. how important is it for republicans to get some democrats -- and you can put a number on it, if you'd like -- onboard when it comes to if they don't vote to repeal it, they will join the effort to replace it with something better? >> i think you're going to see democrats work with us to both repeal and put in place a workable health care system for insurance, for health care delivery, for health care access and for appropriate health care payment to providers. and all of those components are going to have to work together. we have to get it repealed, give the market time to begin its adjustment period, get a product into that marketplace that is something people are going to afford. i've had democrats talk to me about my legislation, the across state line purchase of health insurance, opening up the health insurance marketplace. and they're looking forward to
supporting that. i've talked to many -- bill: okay. so claire mccaskill, senator from missouri, saying if it makes sense, i think there'd be many democrats who would vote for it. there are 25 democrats on the ballot in 2018. 10 of the 25 are in states that donald trump won. do you think that gets a little bit of attention on the hill? >> it is going to when it comes to tax reform, when it comes to obamacare, when it comes to jobs and the economy, and people want to see economic growth. and they want the trump bump that they're seeing in the economy right now to become the trump economy, and they want to see this long term, bill. people are tired of wage stagnation. they are storied of not having more -- they are tired of not having more money at the end of the month. they want more money in that paycheck, and they are ready to get the wheels turning on economy. and they're, you know, they're ready to, they're ready to get to work on this. bill: see you in washington.
thank you very much. >> see you soon. merry christmas. bill: live back in her home of tennessee. thank you, merry christmas to you. martha: a live look at aleppo where syrian state officials say the devastated city is now being evacuated. there have been calls to get the civilians that remain out after relentless bombing that is coming from the assad forces backed by russia and iran as well. untold humanitarian disaster here. critics of the obama administration now pointing back to several moments, 22 times, in fact, where he said that something must be done and that we would work on it. remember this? >> a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. that would change my calculus, that would change my equation. martha: that line was crossed repeatedly, and thousands of people -- especially children -- have died since. did they pay the price for america's failure to act?
martha: there is, as you know, a growing humanitarian crisis in syria at this hour. evacuations are apparently beginning. they have been too long in coming, and thousands of people are already dead, as you know. is so thousands of civilians are trying to get out. 50,000 is one of the numbers from eastern aleppo. watch this. all right. the live pictures are sort of coming and going this morning, so we'll bring that shot back when we get it.
in the meantime, a ceasefire was meant to help bring injured civilians to safety, and that fell apart yesterday. a united nations official says that the continued raids are likely a war crime. >> really i don't know what to say. i hope -- really i hope you can do something for people, for my daughter, for the other children. martha: too late for most of these people and too late for a lot, but there are growing questions over whether the obama administration's failure to act in syria led to the genocide, and it's one that no doubt the administration will be asking themselves for some time. let's bring in retired four-star general general army -- army general, excuse me, jack keane. fox news military analyst. jack, always good to have you wuss. >> good to be here. martha: i want to play a sound bite from josh earn yesterday in the briefing room and get your
idea. >> the idea that you would target a playground and bomb kids hoping that you would then convince people to give up because you'd killed their kids? what kind of a sick mind comes up with a strategy like that? and what kind of severallized country is going to -- civilized country is going to support those tactics? that's what russia has done. martha: so how -- >> i can't believe he can stand there and make a statement like that. of course it's true, assad has been systematically targeting civilians since the outset of the war. the war has always been to break the back of the civilians and, therefore, separate support for any rebels whatsoever. that's been genocide and a human catastrophe from its outset. russia now joined that, and after 15 months of struggling to retake the territory that they thought they'd be able to do easily, criticism's starting to build at home, putin makes a decision and it's this: i'm
going to annihilate aleppo similar to what i did in chechnya in 2000. block by block, building by building, i am going to bomb it and target civilians and destroy it. that is what he and assad's air force has been doing. targeting civilians to the extent that they're doing it is a war crime. assad has been committing war crimes for a long time. they followed this, martha, on ground with iranian quds force be, hezbollah and also regime forces to systematically go into the buildings and kill whatever surviving civilians there are there, murdering families. martha: people being burned alive and horrific reports. we went back and looked at times, because we all remember the times that president obama said we're going to train the kurds, we're going to train some of these moderate rebels, we're going to not be on the ground with them, but provide them enough support so that they can be strong because there was a point, which you documented many
times with us, where it was believed if you supported some of those moderates, that assad would fall. there was a tipping point. but what happened in 2014, and president obama talked about it 22 times. but those references dropped off dramatically as soon as russia entered the game. we stopped talking about it from the white house. does that line up with what you have seen? >> yeah, absolutely. you're so right. the opportunities to assist the regime -- i mean, excuse me, to assist the moderates were many. particularly the moderates had the momentum in 2011, and then the iranians came in, and they were worried about assad's air power, his artillery, they wanted weapons from us to help. they said we don't need your troops or air power, we need your weapons. we said no. then again in 2012. then the chemical red line gets crossed, and obama never understood it was less about the chemical weapons. he violated an international order. obama had the right to respond, to use military force to do what? to take down assad's air power which was the killing machine.
and what did obama do? he saw -- he was paralyzed by the fear of adverse consequence that could happen from that. he never looks at what doing nothing, doing nothing actually means. there's consequences of doing nothing -- martha: standing by does not exonerate you in this case. and francois hollande of france, he wanted to take out the syrian jets that assad had on the tarmac. he said they're all lined up, or let's take them out. and we said, no, correct? >> absolutely said no. that's why i take issue with the hypocrisy of the president's press secretary there, you know, condemning the genocide and condemning this human catastrophe when this administration helped enable in this human catastrophe. and that is so tragic. this is the united states of america, and where's our sense of morality when people are asking for help and we deny them help? all we needed to do initially was provide them weapons and then, certainly, we had complete justification to do something
after the chemical red line. martha: all right. more to come on this compelling story. general jack keane, thank you very much. and go army, congratulations on the big win in the big game. [laughter] >> it was a long time coming. [laughter] martha: all right. thanks a lot. bill: 15 years, in fact, congrats. fox news alert, members of congress asking to see the evidence about russian election interference. that briefing has been can -- canceled. we'll talk to a house member on intel on that coming up. markets about to open, in fact, they opened one minute ago. interest rates were raised for the second time in ten years. how will the street respond? how can you make money? different world? stay tuned.
150 away. martha: within reach. bill: the fed raised about a quarter point, stocks have been soaring since election day, optimistic returns for perhaps a tax deal, corporate tax reduction and on and on we go. so we'll watch it for you. 9:35 now in new york city. martha: back to one of the big stories of today, some lawmakers on capitol hill are fuming today after a briefing on the russian hacking was snubbed by the briefers. the heads of the cia, the fbi and the director of national intelligence refusing to provide the latest information they have on this whole russian hacking thing in a room with closed doors to the committee. they said, can't do it, it's an ongoing investigation. new york congressman peter king, not so happy with that. watch. >> who is the cia? when they say the cia has made this conclusion, who? is that brennan? who's done this?
there is no finding that we've gotten, no assessment that we've seen. if they have something, they have an obligation to show us. this could be a house of cards. i see it as disinformation to discredit the incoming president-elect. martha: joining me now, congressman brad wenstrup who also sits on that house intel committee. congressman, good morning. be. >> good morning. thank you. martha: give us your take on how all of this went down. >> well, as you know, we were supposed to have a hearing today, a briefing behind closed doors as you said and as peter king referred to, and we were snubbed, basically, by the agencies who denied us the access to their information today and to come and speak with us. look, this is something that we have been concerned about for quite some time. this isn't new. but what's come out in these anonymous reports out of the cia are not consistent with the public statements coming from the agencies, nor are they consistent with what we've been hearing in our briefings over a long period of time.
so we want to get to the bottom of it, we want to do it in a nonpartisan fashion, and i think it's a concern to all americans, and it should be. but what we're seeing that's being put out there anonymously remains to be validated or not. martha: well, that's the issue. i mean, you've got all of these stories, the latest one coming out saying vladimir putin personally oversaw which pieces were going to be released from this hacking, and the charge in the last couple of days that there was a direct connection, according to some sources at the cia, between the hacking and donald trump winning the election. so those are very, very, stark, dramatic proclamations. and yet the sourcing is very light. you guys wanted to actually go to the source anonymous, behind closed doors and get some answers to that, right? >> yeah, we do. and, you know, it's interesting because even the white house press secretary, deputy press secretary has said that the
election is over and we know who won. it's not who the president supported, but we know who won. and the president has now ordered a deep dive into this through clapper where we should get all our intelligence agencies together and see what actually took place. let's face it, there's a lot of lessons to be learned from this and to know how they've been able to do this, why they have done it and clear up some of the accusations that have been made through this anonymous report. martha: yeah. they -- according to devin nuñes, they have a constitutional responsibility when you call upon them to brief you. does that, you know, does that lay out what the timely manner issue is on that, and have they given you an indication of when they may do this? >> you know, it certainly doesn't. we have a constitutional duty to provide the oversight, and they have a constitutional duty to respond to us. we were willing to fly back from our homes to be there to get this done, to get the process underway and to try and clear this up, and so there's grave
concern as to why they denied us access to them and their information. this is our job, and it's their job as well, and the american people deserve the transparency that comes with it. as do, does anyone that's running for high office. martha: do you want to speculate as to why they won't show up? >> i can't speculate as to why, but we have written a letter, made it very clear that we expect some answers. and the american people expect some answers. this isn't something you brush under the rug. this is something that needs to be addressed and addressed right away. and we're willing to be there to have them explain themselves, and we want to get the truth out to the american people. and, certainly, to the intelligence committee, we want to know the truth and what's actually going on and what intelligence they may have. you know, i also have a concern -- martha: go ahead. >> go ahead, i'm sorry. martha: i just want to ask about the electors, and they have to verify the outcome of the election on monday, so i'm assuming they're not going to get the intel briefing they
requested if you guys aren't getting one. is that a correct assumption? >> well, i think it'd be difficult to get the remember to haves cleared -- electors cleared for intelligence reports, and the white house says this election has been decided by the people, and that is not an issue at this time. the issue is how they have done this and what we're going to do moving forward. and i think that that's what we need to focus on. martha: yeah. i think everybody wants some answers, and this hacking stuff is not going to stop anytime soon, so we to need to have a far better handle on how any role that any foreign government might be playing in any of this. so thank you very much -- >> well -- martha: go ahead. quick comment? >> you're welcome, thank you. martha: merry christmas -- >> yeah, if i could add something to that. thank you. martha: go ahead. >> if i could add something to it, i think it's important that members of congress and members of the government are aware of how they can prevent attacks on their own servers, etc., and i don't think we do a good enough job like we do within the
military. martha: great point. thank you for getting that in. see you next time. bill: 20 minutes now before the hour. some hollywood celebrities calling on electors to cast their votes for someone other than donald trump. did you hear this? >> republican members of the electoral college, this message is for you. as you know, our founding fathers built the electoral college to safeguard the american people from the dangers of a demagogue. bill: so what do you think about that, america? sour grapes and how much does america care? we will debate that, fair and balanced. martha: plus, what president obama is doing to try and stop any action against planned parenthood. we'll tell you the facts when we come back. this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts.
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for hillary clinton -- >> i'm not asking you to vote for hillary clinton -- >> i'm not asking you to vote for hillary clinton. >> as you know, the constitution gives the electors the right to vote for any eligible person. >> any eligible person, no matter which party they belong to. >> but it should certainly be someone you consider especially competent -- >> especially competent to serve as president of the united states of america. bill: our group of hollywood celebrities with that video to members of the electoral college for monday, pleading with them to vote against -- well, vote their conscience, let's put it that way. doug schoen, tony sague, good day, gentlemen. i saw martin sheen in that video, i saw noah wyle who played dr. john carter in e.r. and played tom mason in falling skies. i don't know if he's walking the red carpet at the oscars every
year -- [laughter] does america care? >> it's even more than america cares. america cares that people like that self-appointed spokespeople whose only real credential is celebrity basically get off the stage, go back to what they do for a living which is to act and stop trying to tell people how to influence and otherwise undermine -- bill: but, doug, and tony, they are convinced their opinions can change minds. >> i hope it doesn't. >> and worse for them, to feel that your opinion is so morally superior that you should tell these deplorables, right, that they voted the wrong way or they should vote or agree with your perspective, this is what was rejected en masse this past election, bill. and i understand arizona -- b-list and c-list actors are always looking for work, but you have to accept the peaceful order of transition to a
different administration. you can't question it, call it into the legitimacy into question without undermining our constitutional system. that's what they're doing. bill: but you heard them, they said they're not telling you to vote for hillary clinton. >> no, no, they're saying do not respect the will of the people and the vote of the electoral college because we, who are prominent actors, are telling you to. bill: i get it. this is supposed to be a debate -- >> well, this is our system. >> it's too obvious. bill: it's too obvious. perhaps this is not as obvious to -- >> okay. bill: -- and maybe america cares about this, and that is the take of mainstream media on the trump administration that raised the attention of bill o'reilly last night when he said this -- >> now i think what has happened is these people are so overwrought that almost every fair-minded american doesn't listen to them anymore.
bill: every fair-minded american doesn't listen to that anymore. >> well, let's put it this way, bill. as a high-level trump transition figure explained to me, he said, look, the ten major networks are not with us. we've got one network that is mostly with us, otherwise we're on our own and, you know what? the election results prove that the people really don't care. bill: so you're agreeing with -- >> i'm saying o'reilly is basically right, otherwise we wouldn't have a trump presidency. bill: it's a remarkable thing, just to go new the feed every day, tony. >> look, what bill o'reilly said -- bill: headlines day after day, i made the comment to steve hayes 45 minutes ago, this honeymoon lasted about 12 hours. >> and one of the bigger points o'reilly made was this is not about media bias which we all skip is somewhat baked into the -- accept is somewhat baked into the cake. among the mainstream media, the animus --
bill: you believe that? >> it's obvious. the attacks are are so perm. they're all about his character, and they try to somehow present it as some objective news. you had on a sunday morning news show someone from salon.com somebody say in a sense this election was illegitimate, making that claim on a major sunday show. not on a blog, on some sort of tertiary news source, and this is, unfortunately, what the left accepts as common practice. >> one quick point. look, i didn't vote for donald trump, i had my problems with secretary clinton. first and foremost, i'm an american. what i was brought up to do is to pull together behind the president-elect, especially as may be the case we're facing unprecedented attacks from the russians, when they destabilized the election or not is less important to me. they are our enemy. and why and how do we allow ourselves to be divided constantly when we face unprecedented -- bill: your point being the media look at what russia's doing globally -- >> that's much more important.
>> and what was confirmed in these leaks with wikileaks, that the media was colluding with hillary clinton. they were exposed and embarrassed during this process. bill: howard kurtz is to have a very busy 2017. martha: a billion users compromised, that's billion with a b. are you one of them? this is a huge breach, we'll tell you about out when away come back. when we come back.
bill: we are now learning two juveniles charged with starting those devastating fires in tennessee could face life in prison if convicted. now, they already face charges of aggravated arson which carry ares up to 60 years behind bars. those charges could be expanded to include first-degree murder. it's not clear if they'll be tried as adults.
the fires killed 14, destroyed 2400 structures. east tennessee native dolly parton has created a fund to help families get back on their feet, and a lot of them need that. she also headlined a telethon that raised nearly $9 million. martha: so yahoo! revealing a major bombshell, claiming a billion of their users have been hacked. chief correspondent jonathan hunt live in los angeles to tell us what is going on with this one. hi, jonathan. >> reporter: hey, martha, yeah, this is crazy. one billion accounts targeted in this hack. e-mail addresses stolen, birth dates stolen, phone numbers stolen, security questions and answers all stolen, and in some cases passwords too. now, yahoo! says no financial information was accessed by these hackers, but other outside experts say that the information those hackers got might well provide the doorway to other
online financial accounts, and that's the danger. listen here. >> being able to access that information is probably what's most critical, because it's a steppingstone into other sites. so even if that person doesn't keep their financial information or medical information online, by having the credentials and logging in, it's easy to spoof that person, act as that person. >> reporter: now, these one billion accounts were targeted in 2013, martha, a year and a half later another 500 million yahoo! accounts were hacked. the advice from the experts to all of us, as usual, is don't use the same passwords for multiple accounts and change all your passwords frequently, martha, which i know you do, of course. martha: not really. anyway, we try, right? they force us too sometimes, which helps. what does it mean for yahoo!, for the company? >> reporter: well, it's certainly not good news for
yahoo! either. remember, verizon did an agreement to buy yahoo!'s digital operations for $4.8 billion earlier this year, and experts say at the very least verizon has got to be rethinking the price they're willing to pay for this. in a statement verizon said partly, or quote: we will evaluate the situation as yahoo! continues its investigation. we will review the impact of this new development before reaching any final conclusions. and experts tell us, martha, that this is really just the tip of the spear. a lot more of this kind of action is coming. martha? martha: we've seen it everywhere. it's just incredible, part of life. jonathan, thank you very much. bill: so we are now hearing from president-elect donald trump, sounding off on the alleged interference by russia in the election. why mr. trump is pointing the finning or right back at the white house -- pointing the finger right back at the white house. bret baier joins us live as he lurks in the shadows. maria: look at that. bill: how about it?
martha: president-elect trump firing back at allegations of russian interference in the election, asking the white house if it's true, why didn't they get on this whole thing sooner, which is an interesting question there as people wander around in the lobby waiting for their turn upstairs. good morning, everybody. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: i've often thought our lobbies was one of the most interesting in new york -- martha: it used to be. [laughter] bill: president-elect trump pushing back on the notion that russia and reportedly vladimir putin himself intentionally tried to sway the results in trump's favor. quote: if russia or some other entity was hacking, why did the white house wait so long to act? why did they only complain after hillary lost? david lee miller live outside of trump tower with more now. good morning. what else is mr. trump saying already today? hello. >> reporter: good morning. well, most notable, this is the
day that the president-elect was scheduled to hold his first news conference since winning the election. on monday he said it was going to be postponed because he was too busy with cabinet-level appointments. the president, nevertheless, has tweeted -- president-elect, i should say, has tweeted four times today not just on the subject of alleged russian hacking, but a number of other items. among them, he tweeted, and i quote: the media tries so hard to make my move to the white house as it pertains to my business so complex when, actually, it isn't. now, the focus of that postponed news conference was supposed to be how mr. trump was going to sever ties with his best interests. he has since said his children and executives will be in charge, adding that they will not be make any new deals. now, about those other tweets, the president-elect said in one that it's a great honor to be named the person of the year by the financial times as well as "time" magazine, and he also slammed "vanity fair" magazine and its editor one day after the
magazine said a restaurant, in a restaurant review, that trump towers -- specifically, the restaurant in trump tower, the trump grill -- served and i quote what it described as garbage. bill? [laughter] bill: so what's planned for later today, david lee? can you hear me? how about the schedule later today, david lee? try and get that connection -- >> reporter: bill? bill: gotcha. go ahead, fire away. >> reporter: all right. little communication problem. i presume you were asking me about later today. he has a number of meetings scheduled, among them with peter hegseth, a potential candidate reportedly for secretary of veterans affairs. he is formerly the ceo of concerned veterans for america, and he is now a fox news contributor. and later today, bill, we expect that president-elect trump is going to travel to hershey, pennsylvania, as he continues his thank you tour.
he was in hershey, pennsylvania, the friday before election day. at that time he told the 10,000 or so people in attendance that he was going to carry the state of pennsylvania, and indeed he did. he is the first republican presidential candidate to do so since 1988. that rally gets underway at 7:00 east coast time, and in addition to the president-elect, we are told he's going to be joined by the vice president-elect, mike pence, as the thank you tour continues. bill: winter is here, by the way, in manhattan. right, david lee? [laughter] thanks a lot. martha: he also brought us a piece of news that it's snowing outside as part of that report. so a brand new fox news poll is also in the mix today, the first fox polls since the election show a somewhat hopeful country. 59% -- now, these were just adjectives that got thrown out, and you could pick the ones that sort of describe how you feel, so that's why they don't add up to 100%. hopeful at 59%, relieved at 50%, embarrassed at 45%, and it goes
on down from there. i'd just throw in that 41% used scared, 37% used angry, so a bit of a mix out there. bret baier, anchor of "special report," good morning to you. >> good morning, martha. martha: what's your reaction after you look at people's feelings after the election? >> listen, there's a lot of things stirring around after this election, 59% being hopeful is something that donald trump and his new administration can tap into. i think that there is a sensitivity about polls, there's a sense that polls got it wrong, and, you know, how much weight are we going to put in it. that said, our final poll actually at election if you think about the margin of error was pretty close. and you just get a sense of where people's feelings are. it's a mixed bag though if you look at all of these questions, and i don't think the election and the postelection has really settled down for people. martha: no.
there's still definitive camps that are out there, and they're very much reflected, i think, in the numbers that we have seen here. it says in terms of the cabinet selections, do you approve or disapprove, 44% said yes, 46% say no, and it's interesting to note, bret, i'm sure within the numbers of those who don't approve, you've got some republicans in there who are happy or unhappy with this pick or that pick, so it's not necessarily down party lines here. >> no, or that's right. and we're going to get into the era of confirmation hearings, and that is always interesting because anything can happen. think about all the confirmation hearings that happen for both parties and their nominees. and all the things that popped up out of nowhere. the nannies, the help that wasn't paid for, the social security taxes. i mean, all these things are going to dominate. and it comes down to whether the president-elect, soon to be president, trusts these people and whether they have vetted
these people up until in this process. i think that the american people's perception of them will likely change as they get to hear more from them and their plans. martha: yeah. we all expected that today there would be a big news conference and a discussion from the president-elect about how he was going to divide his business interests and how he would create a wall between his work as president of the united states and the business that he built over the course of a lifetime. so here's what the poll says about that. are you concerned that the wall will, that he will place business interests ahead of the american people, is the way this was worded. 52% say yes, 47% say no. so sooner or later, he's going to have to put people's minds at ease or attempt to on this, bret. >> yeah. he tweeted about that today saying it's not as complex as the media makes it. you're right to point out that the press conference -- the last one was july 27th. hard to believe. july 27th was donald trump's last press conference. it is one that most people
remember for trump hooking into the camera and saying, russia, if you're listening, please hack and get e the missing 30,000 e-mails from hillary clinton. be interesting that that's what happened at that press conference. but there are a lot of calls for more press concernses, more -- press conferences, more transparency and reporters to ask questions about the business ties. they are trying to figure out, according to tour to sources -- according to our sources, how it's all going to break down and where they're going to, you know, put up that wall between the white house and the business of donald trump. martha: yeah. i mean, his background's so unprecedented that it does merit some more reflection and some pretty careful transparency on the part of those involved. so, bret, thank you. there's a lot of polls to go through this morning. we'll get to some of them later, but it's good to see you. >> have a good day. martha: you too. bill: all on the web site now. last minute power grab now. president obama pushing through a rule to protect planned
parenthood saying that states cannot deny federal family planning funds to health clinics that provide abortions. the mandate takes effect january 18th. that is a wednesday, two days before inauguration day. kevin corke's live on the north lawn of the white house. is that something that can be reversed kevin? >> reporter: well, frankly, bill, it can be undone, but it's important to point out for the folks at home it's not as easy as, say, a stroke of a pen. it's a little complicated, because what the president's done is fairly consistent with what we've seen him do before; that is, get his legal team to take a deep dive to find the most effective way to institute a policy that in the end becomes fairly difficult to undo. now, according to the department repealing this rule would require a new rulemaking process or a joint resolution of disapproval by house and the senate with the concurrence of the new president.
and make no mistake about it, my friend, that is certainly a possibility. bill: so you have a federal law that prohibits funding for abortion except in case of rape and incest or to save the woman's life. how does the white house get around that ban in order to enact this new rule, kevin? >> reporter: okay. it's a little inside baseball, but i've got to walk you through it really simply. inside washington we call this title x money. you may have heard title ix having to do with sports and opportunities for women, but this is title x, and it has to do with the federal family planning program and setting aside money for that sort of ties into what the white house is effectively doing here. because by requiring states to distribute dollars from title x of the public health service act without taking into account whether or not the recipient clinics do abortions or not, this edict lets the states be protected by tying the money to the larger, broader federal programs. and in case you're wondering,
yes, planned parenthood says the fight's still not over. here's what cecilia richards is saying about it, the ceo, she says it protects birth control, cancer screenings and other health care for millions of people, and she goes on to say this fight is not over. we are deeply concerned about the future of health care is access in this country with extremists like, again -- her words -- with extremists like mike pence and tom price at the helm, of course, tom price over at hhs. no question, bill, gop leaders on the hill will take a close look at how to undo this. bill: certainly will. thank you, kevin corke, from the north lawn. martha. martha: some new information on how a plane that fell out of the sky did so. what investigators are revealing about the crash that killed 66 people onboard with. bill: also back here at home democrats blaming a litany of things on the election loss, but our next guest says that list is way off base. karl rove makes his case on the
real reason for the party's stunning defeat. martha: and a house intelligence committee request for more information on the russian we're going to get reaction from senator lindsey graham, right now here's trump's senior adviser, kellyanne conway. >> let's roll the tape leading up to election day. how many people were talking about this as interfering in the election? they were talking about what they were going to do in the west wing, that the path was closed, we can never win. nobody talked about this.
bill: we have new developments on egypt air flight 804 crashed in the mediterranean back in may. 66 people onboard were killed. egypt's civil aviation ministry now says traces of explosives have now been found on some of victims' bodies. it's now launching a criminal investigation. you might remember that plane left paris, france, intended for cairo, egypt. no claim of responsibility. ♪ ♪ martha: the democrats have been giving a laundry list of reasons for their loss in last month's election. party leaders have pointed the finger at the fbi director, james comey, and said that his statements got in the way of a clinton victory, and the russian hacking is the most prominent story out there right now that they believe threw this election in donald trump's direction. my next guest has written about this this morning in a "wall street journal" editorial. he writes, quote: democrats
refuse to face the truth. they lost the presidency principally because voters demanded change. mr. trump promised it in abundance while mrs. clinton represents the status quo. her main selling point? her qualifications and experience showed how out of touch with voters she was. that is according to karl rove in this morning's paper. he is former white house deputy chief of staff to george w. bush and a fox news contributor. karl, good morning. good to see you this morning. >> morning, martha. martha: it's always important for a party to take stock and to figure out why you didn't reach enough people. so you went through this point by point this morning to figure this out for the democrats, and what'd you find? >> well, they offer up a lot of excuses. the biggest one tended to be earlier the electoral college. if we just didn't have the electoral college, we would have won. well, we've got the electoral college. and it's not the founders' fault that hillary clinton failed to get african-american turnout occupy up to the numbers she
needed in philadelphia and pittsburgh and detroit and milwaukee. it's not the founders' fault that the democrats lost support of rural democrats in great lake states like wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. so, you know, the great -- the really weird one is jennifer palmieri at the harvard conference of managers looking at the election said, well, it's white supremacists. then put it in an op-ed. that's an incredible insult to the 55 million whites who voted for donald trump. you only voted for him because he made an appeal to the white supremacists. even more than that, it doesn't make sense. if he made an appeal to white supremacists, you'd think there'd be an even bigger black turnout, yet hillary clinton got fewer votes and a smaller percentage of the african-american vote than barack obama did while donald trump did better among non-whites than mitt romney did across the board. so they keep offering up excuses, but they don't bear out
over, under some scrutiny. martha: yeah. you know, it's interesting, when you go through the different groups, and i think back to reince priebus coming out right after the last election that mitt romney lost and saying, look, we need to do a forensic investigation of what happened here. of we need to figure out why we're not resonating with hispanic voters, why we're not resonating with african-american voters. and you look at the fact that donald trump won with evangelicals, he moved those numbers higher with african-american voters, as you say, and his panek voters as well -- hispanic voters as well, marginally but higher. when we look at all of that data, you know, what do you believe that democrats need to do, and i know this isn't the hat that you really want the wear, but if you were giving them advice, what would you say? >> yeah. well, first of all, i think they had -- they couldn't represent change because they're so stuck in believing that the answer is a big government solution, and this was a year in which voters wanted change, not more of the same. the second thing is that they really are a coastal party.
they can do well appealing to people in san francisco and cambridge, massachusetts, in washington, d.c. and los angeles. they're not good at appealing to flyover america, and that's why they lost counties that the republicans have not won in over 0 years and in some -- 20 years and in some instances 30 years in places like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. they ought to be thinking about why they failed to have a message of change in an election in which it was clear right from the beginning that people wanted change. and their answer -- and it's indicative of the weakness of the corrosion inside the democratic party that they won't confront that. i mean, we've got harry reid saying, well, jim comey did the election, and then he said, well, it was the russians and the wikileaks which was worse than 9/11. really? really, senator reid? 3,000 americans died on 9/11, and you're saying the wikileaks is worse than that? and then david brock who's sort
of the uber-dude for the democrats says the problem was hillary apologized for the e-mail server, she should have simply said it was permitted. really? people knew -- martha: she did say that. >> she was lying about it. martha: yeah. i think it's incumbent upon donald trump to keep the promises that he made to people in terms of returning jobs especially in the rust belt states that he won, which is going to be his challenge. >> yep. martha: karl, thank you very much. great piece this morning. >> you bet. thanks, martha. bill: 20 minutes past now. the fed has made a move, and this is rare, raising rates for only the second time in a decade, and the market's responding. the dow just crossed 19,9 a moment ago. so then how you could profit off this rate hike and more. >> we expect the economy will continue to perform well with the job market strengthening further and inflation rising to 2% over the next couple of
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♪ bill: so now the fed has made a move for just the second time in ten years. interest rates have been raised. janet yellen, chair of the federal reserve, saying the expects the economy to continue growing, signaling more rate hikes in 2017. that mark, by the way, bumped up about a quarter point. how could this affect you and your retirement and your wallet? important stuff. charles payne, host of "making money with charles payne" on the fox business network. how are you, sir? >> i'm good, thank you. bill: so the fed bumped it up because why? >> they have -- the economy starting to show real signs of life, and at this level, they just can't keep it down. bill: what's the evidence of the signs of life? >> wages, corporate earnings -- bill: had some numbers today about home --
>> forget about it today. i've been talking to these animal spirits, two more signs of it today, one from manufacturing, one from housing. national association of home builders, their sentiment, their reading soared, it's the highest level it's been since january of 2005. bill: whoa. >> in fact, this is the biggest one-month jump in 20 years. all over anticipation that donald trump will get through his policies, slice these regulations. you've got to realize for the home builders regulations have gone up almost 30% in the last five years alone. so, you know, you start to get that out of the way, helps the home builders ors first-time home buyers and everyone in this economy. bill: manufacturing numbers up too? >> significantly. the best number since january 2015. expectations for the next since months have gone through the roof, doubling -- bill: okay, so, charles, are those facts, or is that a feeling? what is it? >> well, it's a kind of feeling that gets the ball moving. in other words, it's a feeling, but it's not a feeling from a
whole bunch of people at a trump rally. these are professional home builders. so they have to actually base their business on this. so that means they go out and start to buy more land and build more homes. these are manufacturers. you have to be prepared. if you think manufacturing is going to make a big move up, then you start to do things. yesterday, for instance, u.s. steel had an idle plant -- well, it wasn't idle, but a big part of this plant in granite city, illinois, was idle. they brought back 220 workers. now, it looks and sounds small, but this is the kind of thing. these workers were let off earlier this year, in january. these are the sort of seeds beneath the surface that you're starting to see percolate bigtime. with. bill: wow. >> housing, manufacturing and, of course, the federal reserve. bill: bring it back to the fed now. janet yellen signaled they may raise rates three more times next year. they said it before, and it did not happen. here's my question for you. for years, you and i have been talking about retirees trying to live off a system where they
raised a certain amount of money based on their savings, and that savings was depleted badly because of fed policy. >> right. bill: now, it's only a quarter point. does it matter? >> it does matter because the ball starts to move north. it's not going to make a significant change in their lives overnight, but perhaps some of these cost of living adjustments will come along with it. certainly, they've gotten the short end of the stick, retirees and people who saved their money have been decimated by fed policy over the last 30 years, to be quite frank. it's a move in the rights direction. it helps savings, annuities. by the way, pension funds, federal, city, even corporate severely undervalued. the market keeps going up like this, people can rest easy that their pensions are safe as well. bill: wow. i get the sense you're buying american these days. >> it's a beautiful thing. bill: thanks, charles. >> see ya, bill. martha: the u.s. oil industry hoping this new administration will make it easier to supply america's growing energy needs. we'll talk about that.
bill: so there are claims vladimir putin himself was behind this effort to undermine the u.s. election. that is the report. one of the lawmakers who wants to get to the bottom of all of this is live next. >> putin has not been a friend to the united states. putin has not been a friend to freedom and democracy and western values and competition. i mean, that's just not who he is. i thought i married an italian. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry,
demanding answers and so far the answers are elusive. new report showing that vladimir putin personally directed efforts to interfere with the u.s. election. but the heads to have intel agency refuse to brief the house committee about russian hacking. they want some answers, they want evidence so far it's not forthcoming. after saying for months there's no proof the russians are trying to help a certain candidate.
here is peter king. >> there was nothing ever told to us. they said that they couldn't prove it that it was an attempt to favor one candidate than the other. now, we have this -- as far as i know there is no decision by the cia, there's no consensus opinion. bill: wow, south carolina senator lindsey graham. there's a lot to get through, are you ready? >> yeah. bill: what do you think is going on with the russian thing? how much is legitimate and how much is hyperbole. >> they are all to no good all over the world trying to destabilize democracy. here at home i'm a hundred percent certain that podesta hacked into dnc and most of the information that was released
was unfavorable to clinton not trump, i don't know what their motives other than create discontent an discord and undermine democracy. i'm not challenging the election results, donald trump won the election. there's no defend that they tried to change how ballots were cast, the russians. they may be doing that in other places and even here. my concern is if we don't push back against russian scenario election, we are inviting inviting the chinese and iranians to hack us when trump gets tough with them. bill: okay, let me slam on the brakes in one second. he said this, mr. trump, by the way. why did the white house wait so long to act? go ahead and answer it. >> there would be no strong putin with weak obama. why didn't he act when russia -- when assad crossed the red line,
he's been weak in the face of dictators all over the world but here is president trump's dilemma, what are you going to do? if you don't believe that the russians were involved in interfering with our election, then i'm troubled by that because i have been briefed. i don't think anybody who has heard the briefings doubt that the russians were interfering in our election. whatever their motives were, i don't think. we can't tolerate it. if you let the russians with it, i hope trump takes on china and iran, they are capable of doing the same thing. now where was obama? obama has been awal on the face of election. >> trump obviously knew the hacks were benefiting him. that's from the podium in the briefing room, sir. >> all i can say that trump called on russians to release emails of clinton. i never particularly liked that. all i can say that the election wasn't decided by the elites from wikileaks in my view, he
was a lousy candidate. they did hack into to political systems in the united states, they're doing it all over the world and if trump doesn't push back, they're going to keep doing it and the russians -- excuse me, iranians and chinese are going to size us up and i've had eight years of weak, i don't want four more years of weak. bill: your name was in the news the other day along with john mccain. m' -- marco rubio. do you have concerns or not? >> i have concerns with the relationship with putin. bill: being friendly with someone doesn't necessarily dictate a friendship? >> that's exactly right. i would add -- admit that he's a good decent man, highly respected in the business world. the people who are singing his praises are close friends of
mine and it comes down to this with mr. tillerson with me. i want you to be briefed with the fbi and cia about russia did in our election and what they're doing all over the world and i want you to come forward and say whether or not you believe they interfered in our elections, they are interfering in other democracies, and if you say they are not, i will be trouble by your judgment, if you say they are, what are we going to do about it. we should sanction putin as individual and inner circle because this could not have happened without his blessing. even though you oppose santions as exxon because it was bad for exxon, i'm glad we did sanction russia and we need to sanction them again. do you realize what russia is up to here and all over the world and are you willing to do something about it, do you support new sanctions, and if he doesn't, it'd be very hard for me to vote for him because you have giving a green light to this behavior.
bill: will you fight it or approve it? >> well, i will vote yes or no. the bottom line is we are not going to filibuster because the fill filibuster was taken away. he will need 50 votes. he's a qualified business leader, his business experience can be an asset. do you understand that russia is a bad actor all over the world, they interfered in our elections, you opposed sanctions in the past. if you opposed sanctions in the future you are letting russians get away with it. bill: thank you for all of that. i'm out of time. >> to be continued. bill: indeed, lindsey graham, thanks. martha: hot topic, bret baier brought it up earlier. let's take a look at what doctoral, masters' and bachelors' -- donald trump said
about russia and the elections, watch this. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press, let's see if that happens, that'll be next. martha: that was? a joking manner, nobody could find those emails and perhaps the russians could find those emails and then you heard what josh ernst said with reference to all of that yesterday in news conference and on and on it goes. more on that as we get it. president-elect trump plan to go roll back regulations in fossil fuel industry to create jobs which could be radical change in energy policy. hi, william. >> well, martha, instead of a focus on climate change, trump wants energy independence.
there's a rig back there. the pacific, parts of alaska, fracking oil oil and gas in federal law and reviving the coal industry. >> fire. >> it's not just the coal itself, it's the down stream value of that to our economy, to our people, to our community. >> the friendliest town around, it's anything but for the coal industry. >> well, this is empty. >> yeah, this used to be a quilt store. it closed just this year. >> mayor saw two mines and 1200 jobs close in one year. >> they estimate five to seven jobs down ballot. >> the shutdown of a lot of the coal fire plants in the loss of market is due to regulations
that have restricted emissions from coal fire plants. >> under my presidency, we will accomplish a complete american energy independence, complete. >> to do that president elect trump promises to lift and support offshore oil drilling and open federal lands to fracking oil and gas. >> i'm excited and nervous at the same time because it's not going to be as easy as some people think. >> that's because trump can't simply unwind the clean power plant and the paris agreement which restrict u.s. carbon emissions. >> i hope unleash promises to almost everything. >> that's because the green lobby will likely fight anything to make isle, gas more cheaper. as for wind and solar, i don't expect the trump to be enemy. because there's a lot of jobs and renewables, trump will likely support that as well.
martha: william, thank you. bill: we know he's stirring things up. members of his own team say, you have not seen anything yet. >> there's going to be a stack of illegal and unconstitutional executive actions or actions that hurt the economy and workers and they're going to be gone. >> how many, 2,000? >> it's a long list shop
martha: more than a month away from ip -- inauguration day and yet president-elect trump taking serious heat for not doing things as they have been done in the past. michael goodwin writes this. trump era of disruption, saying, quote, the whole world looks to be having a nervous breakdown over early actions and many wondering if the wheels are coming off the train. the good news is that they hope.
no signs of going wobbly and while he doesn't always keep calm, he does carry on. so an evaluation of how things are going so far, michael goodwin joins us now. >> thank you. martha: he's put himself out there in the way that people in the past have not necessarily. we are watching the whole transition process. has he sort of asked for the scrutiny before he takes office? >> this is part of the course with donald trump. the trump tower auditions, really, it's like a casting call. people go in and out and they have to stop and talk to the press and bill gates the other day comparing him to jfk after his meeting. it's almost as they come out of there, they have to say something nice, al gore, kanye west, people who wouldn't have anything nice to say. martha: brilliant, right? on that regard it's brilliant because he has the press all set
up and if you walk by them and don't say anything, the story will be, gee, i guess that didn't go well. for both sides to say something positive. it is truly fascinating to watch all of it play out. you say in a way it remind you of ed who we new yorkers remember quite well. >> he was a great disruptor himself. he enjoyed the headlines and stirring the pot. i don't get ulcers, i give them. trump is like that. he likes driving opponents crazy. he is a great disruptor. he's going the change the way everything is being done. he's changed political campaigns probably permanently the way he ran despite not spending the most money, despite just being out there himself, not having a huge ground game, but just working to death the issues and being everywhere in front of huge crowds of people, having
momentum, starting a movement. look, i think that government, you have the major media, you the leaders really of both parties, big businesses, there's a status quo that people want to protect. i don't think donald trump is trying to blow up the world, but he's really trying to significantly change it and that is not easy because there are a lot of people what are invested in the status quo, they want to keep things as they are, they like the gravy train they are on. he wants to take them off the train. >> but there is no doubt, even though people on both sides of the aisle will come out of thett really well, there's plenty of indicators out there that there's going to be relentless action against him. >> sure. >> they will try to make sure that he cannot complete any of the things to the greatest of their ability. >> we should not underestimate the difficulties he had. even without the obstacles that people will throw, legal obstacles over the environment as you just reported on, things like that.
there -- these are difficult problems. if they were easy problems, they would have been solved already when it comes to the economy, jobs, immigration, it's not as though nobody else try today -- tried to fix them, he has fresh ideas. now to implicate -- implement them is not going to be a miracle, hard workday in and day out, building colalitions and support. i think the thank you tour is a stroke of genius, he should continue doing that because it is his way of dealing with reluctant republicans and democrats and the activists on both wings. he has to keep the majority americans behind him and get them to push politicians as well. martha: in the old days you had no choice but to be in the room with a populist everywhere you
went as president an he puts himself in that room when he goes to rallies and gets pressed on things like the wall and issues that he promised when he's there and a fascinating thing to watch and you documented it so effectively with your column. bill: good morning, jenna. jenna: perry to be secretary of energy, what greg abbott thinks about that and what's the latest on mr. trump's plan to build the wall. we will talk to the governor. opioid addiction hitting americans from every walk of life. how to treat those that are suffering with people that you do know very well? murder for hire trail depends miss trial. upcoming third trial for a woman accused of trying to have her husband killed. all of that in the top of the hour. bill: thank you, jenna. nasa has a warning.
we know this happens. the risk of -- specially like what they are talking about an extinction-level events these are millions of years apart, the likely for it to happen in your lifetime and mine is minuscule. if you really want to understand what we are up against, you really want to understand what we can do about it to protect ourselves, the things you do are actually the same -- bill: drill down on that? what do you do, what are the ideas? >> first of all, you want to know what's out there. it's very hard to see a comet coming because they come out of the dark. you want a really good set of survey telescopes, watch all the asteroids and comets coming in. this is great science. this will tell you about the solar system at the same time that you're learning a lot about what are the risks that you have early warning system at the same time. that's part one.
bill: comet is one thing, asteroid another? would you develop something that could intercept said asteroid? >> i would, that technology is already in motion also. nasa has a mission called a cirus rex. there's another mission, european mission asteroid intercept mission that currently lost funding, nasa can work with them. the point is we have the technology to run with an asteroid, intercept the asteroid, aim a argument at the asteroid that moves asteroid. we know how to do these things. if you wanting to and start building technology in space, that's the same technology. bill: there was this asteroid that hit jupiter 20 years ago, right? >> right. bill: you could see a period
before 18 months before collision? >> right. bill: would we be able to see an asteroid a year and a half in advance and react? >> i can tell you that almost next hundred years no major asteroid is headed our way, very high likelihood. comets, i can't tell you that. they come out of the dark. this is why you want to be able to see the small stuff. you want to see the distance stuff. you want eyes and ears and the cost of one f-35 jet plane, one of them would pay for that wheel observation program and five of them would pay for the whole program of how you -- bill: point taken. i believe we are going to wake up tomorrow, would you give me that? >> probably. as a scientist i have to say probably. bill: thank you. martha.
bill: i don't expect a comet overnight so i will see you more than afternoon inference ♪ ♪ ♪ jenna: major controversy onnation's capitol after canceling briefing on assessments that russia interfered in presidential election because of intelligent agencies didn't take part. >> nice to be with you at home. i'm leland in for jon scott.