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address. please or member that the spin stops here. we are definitely looking out for you. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to the 9:00 p.m. edition of "tucker carlson tonight." multimedia veteran glenn beck,im was in support of rival ted cruz. who said was anointed by god to stop trump. four years of the trump presidency would lead to civil war or worse. so where is glenn back on all of this now? glenn, great to see you. >> great to see you, tucker. congratulations on your new show. i'm honored to be on your first show.
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let me clarify a couple things here. i never said he was anointedfy y god to be president of the united states. i do believe that people are called, all of us are, you are called for your job, i am called for my job., that doesn't mean that he is the only one that can do it, doesn't mean any of that. it certainly doesn't mean that god is going to make that happen. o we have to all play our roles. so i appreciate what you said but it's not exactly what it meant. >> tucker: i think i remember it pretty well. you said you'd been praying for and with ted cruz and you had heard that you believed god had called him forward at this time. my question is really simple. i'm not attacking you, i'm just wondering. because he didn't win and trump did, did it shake your faith? >> no, none. i think that all of us are called by god. you knowth this. all of us are called by god to do certain things and sometimes
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those things mean just take ae stand. it doesn't mean that what you think is going to work out works out. you are called for this time. i happen to believe that all of us were called at this time to take a stand in the republic and to do the right thing. >> tucker: right. but because trump did win, and you think that god did have a r role in the selection, what does that mean, i guess? >> i can't speak for god. i don't know. here's the message that i would get. that we are living in critical times, no different than we were living eight years ago, 12 years ago. things are very tough. we should humble ourselves, including me. and perhaps be a little morewe gentle with each other. half of the nation right now is
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freaking out that donald trump is the president. i find it amazing that those people are freaking out, right yet those were the ones mocking and ridiculing us. saying what are you worried about? you are worried about a dictatorship? now they are saying the same thing. perhaps i need to be a little more humble, perhaps we need to be a little more kindd to each other and listen to each other. or we are going to tear each other apart. >> tucker: i think that is very wise advice. you seem to frame the selection in moral terms. almost from the beginning. it wasn't just a contest between people with differing views, but between good and the not good. and the evil. in your view and i watched you on the road, those with you for part of it. you posited ted cruz as the good guy in this and then when he lost, i think i heard you sayt that he was in fact maybe disingenuous and smarmy is the
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word you used. cruz?d you turn on ted >> wow. because ted cruz at the end, to me, for that time period, seem to come out of the blue and endorse on the time to endorse him was at the convention. now, i have different point of view than he did on the convention. and if you're going to do it, you do it there. not when it appears that yourr guy is going to win. that just struck me as smarmy. but he and i are good friends. i think he is a good, decent, honorable man. that's the way i felt that day when we talked. >> tucker: so you are still in contact with them. if he ran again, would you support him again? >> yes, i would. i am not going to endorse anybody ever again. >> tucker: [laughs] >> i'm excited to see.
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i think the appointments that he has made, some are good, some i am concerned about. i haven't said anything or i've tried not to say anything negative about him since the election.i i tried. unless there was something that was important to say. i want to see the man in action. i gave him the same thing that i said about barack obama. the election is over. and we fought hard. and that is the time to fight hard. at the primary, and then the election. now he has to be all of our president. and the last president, i don't feel ever reached out to do that. i have seen on the very first night, donald trump reached out. i've seen him reach out -- iat would not have invited al gore to my office. he has reached out. and i think it's really unfair to judge him now on what he did
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on the election. i have concerns about the way he ran his campaign, but now let's see if the office changes him and he is the guy everybody who supports him says he is going to be. i hope he is. >> tucker: have your politics changed and watching all of this? in the last couple months, you did a pretty widely circulated interview with samantha b. glenn beck is changing his views it's what i've heard. have they changed? >> no. i am a libertarian. i've always been about principles and i started the 912 project, it was about values and principles. i think this election became about winners and losers. i understand why hillary clinton and at the press doesn't seem to get this yet. they are still trying to figure out why she lost. she lost because she was a horrible, dishonest candidate. even the people raising money for her were saying i can't
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believe i'm raising money for her. because she was so dishonest. that's why she lost. trump tapped into a vein of the american people of where theyca were at, what they were feeling. and she was the all-time worst candidate of all time. that's what happened. what are we going to do coming forward? how are we going to behave going forward? i haven't seen the press or people in the higher echelons of the left recognize the mistakes that they made on making people feel bad, the disagreed with barack obama and i hadn't seen anybody recognized that she was about candidate. let's not run somebody like her again. >> tucker: that's exactly right. one of the reasons i want to talk to you, i remember sitting in my office, watching on television many years ago, you are the single most talented anchor i had ever seen. you are hitting a hole in one every night.
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awe-inspiring, you are pulling it off. and then you left fox and it seemed to get much rockier from there. you do business problems, a bunch of publicized lawsuits, et cetera. do you regret not having a daily cable show? or do you think was bad for you to -- >> i regret a lot of things. h i don't think regret is the right word. i would love to have your platform, where you can talk to as many people as you do in one setting. however, times are changing and i bet on the future that the future is all on the internet. and so it is just different. it's just different. >> tucker: are the accounts true or are they just nastily motivated? they are company has had financial trouble -- >> yeah, we fired a lot of
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people because i changed directions of the company. i think we started when those rumors were going around, we had 245 employees. 246, we now have 245 and i just left in office were very talking about two other people that we are going to hire. business has changed directions. that's what we did. was it a poorly run company? yeah, it was. is it now? no, i don't think so. we are fine. >> tucker: this is something i been thinking a lot about myself, do you think being in this business makes you happy? >> no. no. interacting with the people has made me happy. thinking that my voice was bigger than it is or should be in a way that, hey, we can move people and change the world. in the end, it may be very
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unhappy. it's not my job. it's not any of our jobs. it is just to be ourselves and try to be a good example. and by doing that, tucker, i've learned a lot in the last five years. and the country is morele fragie and some ways, sturdier. we made it through barack obama. who saw that one coming? we are stronger than we thought we are also in more trouble in some ways than i thought. at least, in eight years ago. we are to a point where megyn kelly leaves and now they're people that instead of celebrating you coming on the air and a new point of view, they're saying she is a traitor for leaving the company. i know nobody there believes any of that. that's ridiculous to think that. we need to stop thinking of each
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other as traitors if we go work for someplace else or even if we just disagree with each other we've got to be able to disagree. >> tucker: would you recommend this business to your kids? >> i will tell you this, tucker, and you've done it long enough to know and you have kept your soul. you are a good guy. you are not a good guy? >> tucker: i don't know, i think there is a cost to everything. >> you are good from all reports that i have heard, and we've met a few times. you are a good guy. so i'm not speaking generally to you. but i think this job -- i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. i wouldn't wish the fame on my worst enemy. i think fame is more corrosive than anything else. it is a horrible, horrible thing.
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if you don't have perspective. if you want it. because it will always fade and it will warp you, it's the reason why meryl streep got on tv last night and has such confidence to say we are right in so many words.n and we all know this and those little peasants out in the middle of the country, they are wrong. because fame, when people arele making money on you, when you are watching yourself everywhere, when people are coming up to and saying thank you, thank you, i love you, if you are not careful, you start to buy it and then you a become meryl streep. >> tucker: i think that's a really wise answer. how do you avoid that? >> you get out the minute you want. when you hear rumors -- and that this happens in everybody's
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business, to everybody, all the time. somebody will start a whisper campaign, like, you know, tucker is failing. if your first reaction is what do i have to do to fix it? get out. get out. walk away, change, do something else. the minute you want it, i think you will start making pacts with the devil.l. >> tucker: i'm putting that on my refrigerator. glenn beck, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> tucker: up next, meryl streep used the golden globes to make a nasty smear campaign against donald trump. donald trump boasted today about getting ford and fiat chrysler to invest in michigan instead of mexico. how far should government go to protect jobs in this country? that is coming up next.
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platform. someone powerful. it filters down at everybody's life, because it kind of gives permission for the people to do the same thing. >> tucker: the golden globes are supposed to honor ostensibly, but it turned into a politicized circus as you just saw.s meryl streep ripped donald trump, also ridiculed the sport of football and mixed martial arts. morning >> i'm sorry, i had to. moran ingram drink is snow in new jersey. i said basically, do you dare me to wear this? he said, you are damn right, i dare you to wear this. i was going to be at the game,
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they're going to fly me down but i decided i had to be with you. >> tucker: the obvious response is, smearing. but what is really going on here? what is that really about?t? >> i think she really believes r what she said. gnashing of teeth in hollywood, another progressive elite. i wrote book years ago, i think for a lot of us love meryl streep. some thinks she is overrated. i think she is phenomenal. i think she is a phenomenal. but it's a little bit selfish to be up on stage and you are being honored for your work in film, and you decide to take that platform and turn it into a political speech. why turn off half of america? it is probably ill-timed, he is
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going to be president of the united states. imagine if a conservative actor, and there are some, got up right after barack obama won and said he is illegitimate. i think is going to be more racially polarized than ever. and i think he is an absolute buffoon on foreign policy and america's going to be weaker. they would have been destroyed, a conservative actor would've been destroyed. >> tucker: of course, of course. she was not so much giving it a political speech but a sermon. the undertone of it, the subtext was, i am a good person. and you have fallen short, mr. or mrs. trump supporter. >> it's the deep loathing, the guilt that i have to be part of this club where we talk to america. it's ironic that she talks about trump and disabled reporter as
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if no one in hollywood in positions of power mock, ridicule, or take advantage of people in lower economic standing than they do. anyone that knows anyone who has been in a casting call, especially with top directors in hollywood, there can be humiliation, there can be sexual harassment, all sorts of things happen in the higher echelons of power in the entertainment industry which i'm sure top actresses like meryl streep know a lot about. it's not that hollywood has had some standing to look down on the rest of america. like, if you voted trump, you are against anyone who is of a different sexual persuasion. it is so -- in the most monolithic, intolerant group in america, it's hollywood. you and i know there are people
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that literally cannot voice their opinions if people think they are conservative. if they do speak out, it's usually people that have already made it. >> tucker: it sets you up, the self-righteous one, for scrutiny. so meryl streep gets up and basically says donald trump is a bigot because of his immigration policy, you have to ask, at her massive estate in connecticut, has she taken a lot of syrian immigrants in to live with her? >> i would imagine the answer to that is no. maybe she is incredibly generous. she is incredibly nice. i got the chance to meet her. this is not what we go to see film for. so my people are tuning out -- >> tucker: is this why people don't go see films? >> when we see them speaking
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about so many issues that are polarizing and that divide americans, people might have had a really difficult and itha did have difficult personal lives but it was kind of the illusion -- olivia said, acting isl all illusion. it's a game of illusions. there is something to that, a little mystery is nice to have because when you're seeing someone act a role on screen, you don't want think oh gosh, she was doing that rant at the golden globes. you just want to think wow it, she was great. it kind of destroys out a little bit. >> tucker: too much information. didn't eat from the tree of ignorance, it was the tree of knowledge. >> maybe not a lecture, not needed. nice job at acting. we will be politically correct, everybody is a winner tonight. congrats on the show. >> tucker: thank you. up ahead, technology is moving
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drivers of self-driving cars, will it ever be newspaper columnist and news anchors? joining us is thomas freeman, driving in the age of the acceleration author. you are very optimistic in this book. i appreciate that because i love optimism. but i wonder as i read it, or are people wired from an evolutionary standpoint to reject this change? >> and technology in particular, is now faster than the average human can adapt. i think people are feeling that acceleration. one of my favorite quotes is, you know, tom, it comes with a sticker on the rearview mirror. objects in your rearview may be closer than you appear. it's actually coming faster than
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you think. i felt i had a butterfly net and i was chasing butterflies and every time i got close, it moved. i had interviewed the head of intel at least three times, just to make sure nothing changed from six months earlier. so i was actually living that change. >> tucker: it's know one person's fault, i do think a lot of us are very sensitive to this consequence. especially the political consequences. we had a big technological disruption, we got 70 years of marxism out of that. this is a more profound change, i mean, how can you be hopeful about the political consequences? >> a good question. white-collar and blue-collar at the same time. and yet, today, with all that going on, you see people drop out of the labor force.
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i'm optimistic because we've actually done this before. they used to live and work on farms, factories, we've done this before. this is going to be harder, okay? there's no question about it. i have a huge faith in american creativity. i was at a conference a few months ago, a woman was there, she said her job was tagging sharks for twitter. i certainly didn't think that would be a job. tucker, we will never see itit coming. these new jobs. if we were to be open and flexible, which is actually our value as a country, we will find a whole set of jobs. a lot of them, tucker, will be people viewing with people. first, we work with our hands. and then we work more with our heads, now we are going to work more with our hearts. people dealing with people. the fastest growing restaurant
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chain in 2015 i talked about, it's up about adults and bars. people really want to be with people. b i had an interview with the surgeon general, i asked him, what is the most prevalent disease in america? is it heart disease, cancer, he said it is isolation. we live in the most technical logical age. the surgeon general says there are huge numbers of people feeling isolated. i think connecting people with people will be a huge job. >> tucker: may be technology leads to isolation. >> absolutely. >> tucker: it's easy for us, who are thriving, relatively, the people that are displaced by technology is really hard to believe. you can teach a farmer to rununa drill pass, you can't teach one to write code. so what about those people? >> i don't think those will be the cutting edge of the jobs. it'll be the people jobs. c
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unfortunately, computers will be writing a lot of our codes.s i think we will see a whole new set of jobs and industriesa really around the heart, connecting people, restaurants, entertainment, think ofal our generation. how many people are going to make elder care as the baby boomers retire. >> tucker: i am glad you're optimistic. i am not. i am glad that somebody is. i do change this profound, why you would want to add economic, socioeconomic change. why would you want to let in low skilled labor, how does that help anybody? >> my sort of view on openness in general, i say in the book, i am for a high wall with a bigal gate. our country is to control its borders. i'm a big believer in that. but i also believe that what has
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made america great is we've accrued high iq risk takers. >> tucker: shouldn't we screen for that? >> that may be, i am agnostic on how we bring in this people. but what i would hate to see us do, tucker, is to close offn america as this giant magnet. we are who we are as a country because we've attracted more of these risktakers, my great grandparents and some yours, they left somewhere bad and came to somewhere they thought were better. an armenian friend of mine said that new immigrants are paranoid optimists. their optimist became from some were bad this somewhere better. they are always paranoid. that makes them enormously energetic. we got to balance that. not opening my borders.
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>> tucker: i myself am a refugee from california. tom friedman, thanks for being with us. trump says he is bringing home 3,000 auto jobs to michigan from mexico. how much should the government spent on protecting jobs like those? we will talk it over withh mike rowe, next. ary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis.
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>> tucker: well, donald trump tweeted this. adding 2,000 jobs. this, after ford said last week that it will expand in michigan. instead of building a billion-dollar plant in mexico. thank you ford and fiat. in a country of more than 300 million, how much more of this will we need and how far should government go to preserve work?
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mike rowe, thank you for joining us. >> tucker, congratulations. look at me and you on prime time. >> tucker: i think it goes t without saying, it's a good thing. it's good when american jobs are saved. but you are already seeing a backlash against this. people saying well what about the mexican citizens who would've worked at those plants in mexico? how should we feel about this? >> i feel pretty good. look, it's not just jobs. when i say that, i don't mean to minimize it at all. there's something larger at work here. it has to do with our identity. what it feels like when we are actually making things as a country. you know, people ask me all the time about dirty jobs. the lesson was, the value that comes from you know, getting your hands on a thing and always knowing how you are doing because you are a part of some sort of process, on a micro level, that was the case for me. on a macro level, for the
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country, it's just important for us to collectively feel like we are making something. >> tucker: so a manufacturing job even while, let's say pays $60,000, is worth more to the country than retailer finance because it pays more. because it makes us feel better? >> i get uncomfortable when we start to talk about you know, heads better than tales, you know. blue-collar, white-collar, retail, that sector. ford invented mass production. you know, it's an american company that showed us the critical importance of being able to do the same thing, the same way, over and over again.n. to have them affirmatively you know, digging back into this country to do that very thing, o think there is an exponential component to that the goes right to the national identity. i don't think you can overestimate the importance of feeling good about making a
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thing. >> tucker: conservatives who have argued for milli- generations at the most important thing is to respect the market. especially by government. they are giving up something. if you are a market absolutist, you can't really look at it and be that happy about it. can you? >> it just depends how absolute the market is. if the market is the country, or the entire world, or the entire universe, whatever that means, our economy is global and i get it. a car that is manufactured in mexico where labor is 85% cheaper than it is in the united states is going to be cheaper for the consumer theoretically and that's fundamentally a good thing in a global market economy. look at me, i am not an economist, what do i know?y at some point, we have to i ask ourselves, if you just keep extrapolating that, who are we? what do we do other than buy things that other people make on our behalf?
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eventually when the bottom falls out, it's like "idiocracy." that movie. we don't know how to hang a picture anymore, much less make a car. we can talk about what is best for the consumer, what is best for the worker, it's really hard to do both at the same time. i get it. in this larger sense, i just can't imagine how anybody can look at decisions to bring manufacturing back here and ultimately reward the kind of behavior that i think we all want to encourage. >> tucker: right. you must be sort of for technology, but it's one of the reasons our jobs have left. what should the government's posture toward new technologies that will certainly destroy jobs be? driverless cars for example.e. should the government actively impede that development the save
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jobs? >> it's a bit past my pay grade but i appreciate the dichotomy right now, there is this giant shortage of drivers. they call me all the time sink and we do a program through your foundation that will help get people in our industry? at the same time, you don't really need a crystal ball to see five or ten years down the road, they need drivers. the difference between effectiveness and efficiency and ultimately, sizing yourself right out of the economy. i don't know. i think it's insane to goou backwards. i think always forward make sense and in my littlele foundation, the smartest thing i can come up with is repeatedly, look. get a skill that is in demand. it is really in demand and can't be outsourced. what that means vis-a-vis technology, i don't know. with retail? hard to say.
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a lot of big retail stores are contracting right now.th carpenters, mechanics, those men and women right now, welders, can pretty much write their own ticket. on a micro level, i see a lot of reasons to feel really optimistic. >> tucker: so what is your new show? >> [laughs]f i am not allowed to talk about that. there are couple things going on. you might remember somebody has. to do it. it was over at the news network. season four never aired. the election got so insane and i wanted to take -- i wanted to find it a new home. i am supposed to sign a new deal, season four, somebody's got to do it will be back very shortly. the whole thing is going to pop up someplace else. sorry, i wish i could just say, every time i talk that optimistically about my own personal economy, some machine of the gods swoops in and it goes off the rails. i'm going to
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shut up. >> tucker: boy, do i know that feeling. very well. thank you for joining us. >> congratulations. tucker time. i love it. >> tucker: thanks, man. we will give you a sense of what you can look forward to on this show and it's 9:00 p.m. incarnation. then, joining us in the friend zone, martha maccallum, the first 100 days, her new show. we will be right back. >> announcer: this program is brought to you by voya financial. changing the way you think of retirement. we're putting away acorns to show the importance of being organized. that's smart. who's he? he's the green money you can spend now. what's up?
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>> tucker: time now for the friend zone, where we invite one of our friends who is in thee building here at fox. tonight, we are honored to be
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joined by martha maccallum, who is having a new show called the first 100 days. >> congratulations. >> tucker: you are going to be at 7:00 p.m.! what are you going to do? >> we are going to talk about this historic. that is going to happen, this incredible election that we watched unfold over the course of 18 months. we are going to dig in to the question of truth, and accountability. trump has made a lot of promises. cutting taxes, corporate taxes, all of these things that areun supposed to roll out on day one. we are going to be holding them accountable. and then we going to be asking people in america, you know, what you think? h the people who love him or the people who don't love him and are waiting for him to fail. we are going to take the measure of this man, over 100 days. >> tucker: there are so many different issues that people care about.
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you have a sense of what the big ones are in this incoming administration? >> over and over and over,on people are saying they want someone to shake things up. they are so sick of what they see in washington. i want somebody who is going to go in there and do things differently. so far and what we've seen in the president-elect. it is extraordinary in terms of action and sentiment that rolls over at the beginning of the tweet. that kind of thing is what people expect from him and he is going to have to continue to hold that bar high for them. we are going to try to sort of answer that question. we are going to to focus groups about what they think in terms of how it's going. he has put the bar pretty high for himself. and we will see if he measures up to it. >> tucker: they will not be disappointed. you host a two hour show every single day. i go on every week, i am honored
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to do that. then you are on election night. where do you get that work ethic? >> that's a good question. i have always worked hard, maybe not in high school. after high school, i started as a waitress in new york city. i think working as a waitress, i always tell this to kids, it is the hardest job you will ever have. you have to make sure you're keeping people happy all the time. i think it is really good training for me as a young person to have to make my way in new york city, pay my rent, take care of stuff. make sure that i showed up on time. it is important to me. it has always been important for me. that i'm doing what i have been hired to do. i've been working in jobs since i was 15 years old. >> tucker: what restaurant? was it a good restaurant? >> it was a terrible restaurant! it was closed for health
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violations several times. there were things living in the closet, the drunk woman in the bar used to think it was a cat, but it was something else. it was also a mexican restaurant. i up on the west side at one point. and i worked at a pasta place. i had a really executive position there for a little while. >> tucker: why did you get fired? >> the manager didn't want me to hand out halloween candy on halloween. i think he felt that i was stepping on his toes. i just wanted to hand out halloween candy to kids. does the only job i was fired from. that was a good experience in and ofan itself. >> tucker: i thought you're going to say you were drunk at work. but it was for handing out candy? what was your first tv job? >> business minutes for "the wall street journal." i was a producer because i
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started as a segment producer, field producer, i was perfectly happy doing that on the other side of the camera. great guy who i worked for said you know what, we just want to try thisa out. what if we put you in front of the camera? it was pretty fun so i did business minutes for them, next thing i knew i was working as a reporter foro "the wall street journal" report on weekends. then i was with nbc and the rest is history, as they say. >> tucker: it all began at a rat infested restaurant. >> what other start is there in new york city really? >> tucker: martha maccallum, thank you for doing this. we will see you at 7:00 p.m., every night, at least for the first 100 days. see ya. we look back at the best debate moments and in the first two months of this show, we will show you what to expect at 9:00 p.m., going forward. scalpel.
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>> tucker: as you may have noticed, we are here on a brand-new timestamp. this may be your first time a wh us, or we may have been too early for you. the show that is the sworn enemy from groupthink, smugness. what do we mean by that? here is an idea. it was democratic and nobody got canceled and may be used to toughen a little. the public of course would like its cake and eat it too. >> if you are driving your car through a group of people, are you not a terrorist? >> i didn't say that the man wasn't a terrorist. >> you are entitled to your
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opinion, my only opinion is that you label yourself is what you are. >> you won't give me an example. >> i am giving you one right now? >> let's play the game another way. o i spent a little while just sort of doing research on you -- >> tucker carlson -- >> someone paid for those cars. those aren't your cars. to destroy someone else's property to make a political point isn't a very valid path, is it? >> first of all, they flipped cars on the -- >> as if someone were against clean air or for mercury, is there another side? do you understand their position or does not interest you? >> i don't think i called him racist.
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>> you called him racist nine times in the column. >> what is an example of hisnk racism? you don't have one. we know for fact thatt putin's government did that. you can't, and you know you can't and you are hiding behind weasel words. >> i am not going to be specific -- >> oh, because you don't know it? >> tucker: that is about it for us tonight, i hope you tune in every night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. don't forget the dvr this show if you can't, so you can watch it at your leisure. maybe in the morning.. it's highly prestigious to have millions and millions of followers on twitter.e so follow us. sean hannity up next. be sure to watch that. have a great night, and see you tomorrow.
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♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity," tonight, newt gingrich, sebastian gorka, kellyanne conway, and michelle malkin. you better get ready for battle, hearings start this week and that democrats are going to pull out every left-wing tactic from their worn-out liberal playbook. tonight, we expose the anatomy of a smear. that is tonight's opening monologue. ♪ tl the first of many confirmation hearings, now begin tomorrow. first up, attorney general nominee jeff sessions. senate democrats and their allies on the left, they have made it very clear what they intend to do and that's unfairly

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