tv Your World With Neil Cavuto FOX News March 22, 2017 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
the session. the nasdaq was off. right now nasdaq and s&p are in the green. neil cavuto has continuing coverage of the terror attack in london and all the business news of the day. this is fox news channel. >> neil: thank you, shepard. i'm neil cavuto. you're watching "your world." this is a look at downtown where the great towers once stood, the freedom tower. new york under heightened alert, the same in washington d.c. the same going on in los angeles. if you're a major city in the united states, you're not taking any chances. four hours after what appears to have been a terrorist attack in london that claimed four lives. when we step back, i want to
show you something that shows ever part of our times or how people are getting used to this. the london markets which you think would have gone off and our own markets barely budging. so whether that is a sign that we're kind of used to it or this wasn't worse than it could have been, anyone's guess. even in london, throughout europe, stocks barely budged. i say that not to obsess on money but these life and death issues, some captured on cell phones like this one shortly after the attack, we're remarkably calm in these events. again, could be a tragic commentary a year after the belgium attacks that took out 32. maybe again, we are used to it. ben hall in london with the latest. >> this has brought the center of london to a standstill.
ambulances, sirens going on. this is an attack on parliament. after the attacker went down the bridge, mowed down pedestrians on the sidewalks, he went to the one main entrances to the house of parliament and got inside before stabbing a police officer and shot by others. a vehicle born device is an unsophisticated weapon. this is where tourists were gathering. among those injured is a group of french students. three in critical condition. one lady thrown off the bridge and into the river. she was luckily found to be alive. people trying to identify who this was and frankly still trying to picture it together, seeing if it was connected to isis. neil? >> now a witness to this. what first went down. richard, what can you tell us?
>> good evening, neil. i was coming out of the metro station at westminster probably two or three minutes after the incidents. police were suddenly moving people away from where the s.u.v. crashed. i moved on to the bridge itself. i looked across the pavement. i saw carnage. bodies littering the bridge. as i looked down, i saw more and more people lying on the ground, being attended to bypassers by because the ambulance services have not yet aarrived. they're arriving at that moment. just have a complete sense of shock. you can't imagine what had happened. and then very quickly, special forces arrived and police were everywhere with machine guns.
shocking scene that we saw this afternoon. >> neil: i can imagine there was confusion. we've seen sadly there sort of thing before where someone takes a vehicle and plows into a crowd. we saw it in nice and berlin. what were you think something did you know immediately, all right, this isn't an accident here, this is a deliberate attempt to kill people. >> yeah, it was clear looking at the number of the people on the ground it wasn't an accident. it was a vehicle, someone told me that they had seen a seen go down and mow people down. it's a big long bridge. you know, there's no sense of panic. just confusion.
bewilderment. it never covered it was a follow-up attack. when you stand back and look, you have to think about what is it and what might happen next. >> where are you now, richard? how are you doing now? >> i'm doing fine, thanks. i'm just in someone's apartment just sort of -- destressing the whole event. you know, tragically life goes on. i think that's probably the best way of dealing with it. i think the other thing is that i've learned. frankly should get first aid training. in a situation like that, i mean, the passersby that were helping but if they had first aid training, you have the confidence to go in and help
before medics arrive. >> neil: richard, much of the city and around the city and the bridge and parliament, is it in lock down? >> yeah, it's been lock down ever since. people were trapped in the parliament building for six or seven hours and now are being released for a host of reasons. for some time, it was unclear whether or not this was part of a wider attack or group. >> richard, you've been very patie patient. we're told there's more reports of chatter hinting or telegraphing a possible attack or something that authorities are getting. were britains notified of that or any new warnings?
what are you hearing? >> nothing that i was aware of. central london like most cities is on alert. you get used to it. what is shocking, almost all of the police around westminster have some information of body armor. many are armed. it just shows how difficult it is to get an assailant. what an individual can overcome. >> neil: richard, glad you're well. it's been a tough 24 hours. be well. thank you. the city is shaken. now very much trying to find out who if any up with else was involved. you heard from shep, the britts
are taking this as a terror attack until they have evidence to the contrary. some are saying the way this was orchestrated with the vehicle, plowing into a crowd, that is the type of thing that isis does. former fbi assistant director ron hofstra. what do you make of that? >> isis has done that, isis has called for it. those that have aspired to connect themselves to isis have done this low intensity deadly attack repeatedly in the past. so i think your prior guest was right, that it seems strangely normal now and that citizens, whether it's in europe, great britain or here in america ought to be thinking proactively about what their response would be if it happens near then. >> ron huber reminded me in the past. but this idea of crude but effective terror method. in this case, a knife, something
similar, a vehicle plowing into a crowd. whether you're talking about what happened in nice or an isolated event in berlin, this is a crude but effective way to scare and take out a lot of people. what do you make of that mindset and whether it's an isis inspired attack, you don't need a lot of sophistication to carry it out. >> and no, they called for just that sort of thing. the fbi director has warned us of this sort of potential with isis. as u.s. and allied forces start to squeeze isis in iraq and syria, we see those that can't travel, take up the means of destruction in their native land, whatever those tools might
be. whether it's a knife, a car. we've seen the effectiveness of it. so each of these aassuming this is tied to isis as well. >> neil: i'm wondering, is it just to stun people? what? what is in the thinking here? >> i think, neil, part of it is so routine, so pedestrian that it may shock us. the victims of these attacks are doing things that are quite normal. your reporter said a couple of french school kids were victims of this attack. tourists are targeted. what is the impact on tourism?
i don't know if it's been calculated with any certainty. but certainly tourism has to have been impacted by what's going on in brussels, nice and now in great britain. it's very concerning. that resonates with me, the average citizen, that i could be that next victim in one of these scenarios. it's very concerning for that reason. >> neil: very effective. ron, thanks very much. former fbi assistant director. you remember when donald trump alleged that the president of the united states before me, he was spying on me, tapping my phones. something that happened today that has the intelligence committee saying, he's right, he appears to be right. ahead of the big healthcare vote tomorrow, why it's time for
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>> neil: >> today i briefed the concerns i had about incidental collection and how it relates to president-elect trump and his transition team. >> i must tell you i very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found. >> neil: the gist of this, there might be evidence now and this is coming from the house intelligence chairman, devin nunes that went to the white house that said you might have been caught up in surveillance. sarah westwood with the washington examiner. i don't know if this could be an i told you so moment for donald trump. he kind of hinted about it. what do you make of it?
>> this supports part of the president's claim that he was wiretapped. he's tried to identify that as any kind of surveillance, not just a traditional wiretap. it doesn't support that president obama was involved in the surveillance, but there might have been impropriety the way the surveillance was disseminated across the federal government. if an american citizen has their communications swept up in what we call incidental collection through surveillance of a foreign national, their identities are supposed to be kept secret. what happened in this case according to chairman nunes, several members of the trump's transition team and the president himself had their identities reveals in reports that were spread widely across the federal government. >> neil: what is odds here, i don't know whether to give a gold star to nunes, because a little more than 48 hours ago he was insisting on that there was
no evidence to support what up trump was alleging. then he has to come back saying, well -- so what is the fallout from this? >> certainly there's going to be some further investigation of why these individuals were unmasked, who they were, what communications were swept up, who in the obama administration had access to those communications and whether -- >> neil: on that point alone. -- sorry about that. but if you're the president of good possibility that there's a concern that you have and your administration has, the obama administration, of russian ties to the trump campaign and their people and vice versa, you would be aware of this, wouldn't you? you wouldn't be blissfully ignorant, would you? >> right. they would have known this was going on. but names of american citizens are supposed to be kept secret except in a specific set of
circumstances. one thing the house intelligence committee will look at is whether those individuals, including mike flynn, the one we know for sure was unmasked. if those individuals were unmasked for runs that called for protocol or if the unmasking was done for political purposes. that would be the concern here. that is where the impropriety happened. nunes said the surveillance that took played is all legal. there's no evidence that obama somehow ordered some kind of nefarious wiretapping -- >> neil: let me understand this. stepping back here. that you're not maybe -- it's not your intent to spy on the president-elect, donald trump, at the time, but in the course of trying to glean any information about other ties to russian officials, you ensnare general flynn who might be talking to donald trump and -- that this is the evolution of it. wouldn't james comey have been familiar of that possibility rather to unequivocally shut it
down like he did can toll hill? >> what nunes told us this afternoon, this incidental collection took place but it was completely unrelated as far as he can tell to the investigation of russian interference in the presidential election. so this was collected through some other sort of counter intelligence operations. >> neil: you just followed up my last question, was i don't know who to believe. alternate agencies alternate eves dropping, alternate ways of getting information are not being shared with the very folks that supposedly would be on the same page. so to donald trump's point, they have run amuck and do their own thing, you have to wonder. >> right. he's always had this hostile relationship with the intelligence community. now learning that potentially this information that shouldn't have been in the hands of many people was disseminated widely across the federal government with these individuals, their
identities having been unmasked, that's the main concern, main take away. now they will be looking at how the identities were revealed. >> neil: thanks, sarah. white house reporter. goes to what i tell you when i talk about the markets. when everyone is saying one thing, it's the consensus feel. i don't think it hurts you to question it. i don't think it hurts you when someone says not going on, not going on. a tiny smidgen of a possibility it's going on. apparently more than just a tiny one. senator mike lee after this. what's happening right now? we're facing 20 billion security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports. we can identify threats 50% faster.
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said donald trump was exaggerating things? outright lying about his phones being tapped. maybe not so much. now the latest consensus view is that healthcare rework is a piece of work and going down to flaming defeat. well, that is the consensus anyway. it's largely on views from conservative republicans that are not keen on it and say they will vote against it. now the administration though says that's not right. so what are we missing? we go to blake griffin at the white house. >> hi, neil. sean spicer telling me that they absolutely embrace the role of the president being the closer as it was put earlier today in the final hours.
they're optimistic, feel more votes coming their way. he said he made it clear there's no alternative. >> if it doesn't pass, is there a plan b? >> no. there's plan a and plan a. we're going to gets it done. >> you're 100% confident? >> we're going to get it done. >> they still have to convince members of the house freedom caucus. mark meadows saying that, the administration, do not have their votes as it stands now. the magic number is 21. should 21 republicans defect, that would essentially cleveland it. the house freedom caucus says there's a couple dozen as it stands now that are no votes. a lot of time left, neil. >> neil: any possibility, blake, they're wooing democrats or succeeding at getting some democrats? blake, listening to this, the look leadership, they seem convinced the votes are there. >> they seem convinced they're
there. you heard mark meadows say it's not there. the democrat's plan, it's almost hands back, let's see what happens here. because this really for the most part is a republican's game and democrats do not want to step in it at all. >> neil: all right. thanks very much. blake burman at the white house. i want the read from mike lee, senator from utah. what is your sense on this? you're not keen on this measure. but apparently a lot of your colleagues that kneel the same way, on the house side. their arms can be twisted? >> this bill is going to fail. it doesn't have enough support in the house of representatives and the senate. >> neil: how do you know that? >> i've talked to enough people that i know it's going to fall short of a majority in the house and fall short in the senate. >> neil: paul ryan is convinced in the house it's going to work.
the trump folks are convinced it's going to work. each side is so confident. >> if they know something that i don't, then perhaps they'll be smiling 24 hours from now. if they're so confident, they're not going to need to worry about my vote or the votes of a lot of other people in the house and the senate that are concerned this bill doesn't do what we promised to do, which is repeal obamacare. we would repeal it and get rid of the provisions of obamacare that would cost healthcare prices to escalate so sharply in the last few years. leaving hundreds of miles with a higher healthcare bill that they can't afford. >> neil: senator, the argument that speaker ryan was using, you're getting 80% of what you want. paraphrasing sloppily here. i apologize. that's pretty good.
>> it's true. >> neil: and good for the party around getting the tax cuts done. what do you say that? >> it's not accurate. if we were getting 80 or 85%, i'd be thrilled. that's not what this is. it's a mischaracterization to say that. i lined up on a piece of paper all the things we would want in a conservative bill. then i lined up that this has. this has priorities that are not conservative priorities and the priorities that we as republicans ran on in 2016. this bill will not bring down the price of healthcare. according to the cbo report, it would even do less. a little less with respect to those that lack adequate health coverage. >> senator, the argument -- i have no horse in this stable
here. but one of the things that's been pushed, hey, conservatives like mike lee must love a trillion dollars in tax cuts. that's what this plan will get you if you vote on what is being offered today. an immediate rescinding of all of those tax increases built in to the affordable care act. you say what? >> first of all, it's not immediate. they're nothing to do with russia going away -- >> neil: they say it's pushed for 2017 rather than 2018. >> okay. great. they moved some up. they moved back the date for the cadillac tax. >> neil: fair enough. >> pushing another can for congress to kick down the road. i don't see any reason why we should do in less than repeal with this bill. >> neil: let's say it fails tomorrow. if you could steer me through the process.
you can say we're going nowhere fast. let's proceed to the tax cuts. is that out of the question? >> no. first of all, i think we need to get right back at this and repeal obamacare. repeal it in its entirety. let's do what we said we would do and let's repeal obamacare. there's three buckets to obamacare. you have is subsidies, the taxes and the regulation. let's catch all three categories and repeal them. adding free market reforms and taking them up in a step by step process after the fact. let's get obamacare repealed. that's one thing that has united republicans for seven years. >> neil: but the way i see you guys going, yeah, it's possible everybody regroups and the spring recess and then arbor day. i don't know. i'm beginning to wonder do we
get around to the tax cuts? and then it happens in a mid tern year. donald trump was saying we could lose our majority in the house? >> which is what will happen if we don't do what we said we would do. i say let's pass every aspect of obamacare repeal. throw whatever else you want in there. at least let's repeal obamacare. that's what we promised and what is necessary to do to bring down the cost of healthcare. put the american people back in charge of their own healthcare decisions rather than made by bureaucrats in washington. >> neil: real quick on the gorsuch hearings. many blacked out by the news media because of what happened in london today. how she that go something what is the likelihood this will be an up our down vote?
>> i don't know what pressure he'll receive. we'll confirm judge gorsuch and with goo reason. this is a judge who has an absolutely outstanding nearly flawless record of judicial service. the arguments raised against him an interesting. i encourage you and your viewers to review what happened today. in the last few hours, the last 2 1/2 days, we've seen a number of my colleagues casting a special -- casting aspersions. >> thanks, senator. we'll have more on a yemen raid that may have led to a lot of this electronic banning that you see going on right now after this.
>> neil: you're looking live in new york city. a heightened police present in times square and everywhere else. how sure are you it works? >> neil: all right. a very quick update in london right now. four confirmed dead, including assailant. they're trying to get to an understand of what motivated this person and whether it could have had something to do with london and other major cities across the world have been screening muslim countries and electronic devices on planes coming from those countries or to those countries that might have played a role in getting this response. lieutenant colonel tony shaffer is here. it's a bit of a stretch and a weird connection. the concern was that this was among the reasons why western powers including those in england have said, no, no, no, we're going to ban these devices coming from passengers from these countries. >> there's a history of this thing being done, some sort of an attempt by these terror organizations to get things on. richard reid, the shoe bomber, abdulmutallab, they were trained in these countries, this is not
a small issue. i can't confirm this, but i suspect that these actions taken by the department of homeland security, the tsa, the recommendations had to do something about the al-quaida raid in yemen. a lot of the training was being done in yemen by folks doing this. so this is no small issue. i do believe based on the fact that you're not seeing the democrats screaming about this on capitol hill because they receive press briefings, the reason for this action is based on actual threat information. >> neil: what is interesting about that, leaving the side that this information that we got from the raid that was deemed a failure in the mean stream media, particularly the democrats -- >> i know. >> neil: and more and more i hear yemen. >> al-quaida in the arabian
peninsula has been very dangerous. we've talked a dozen times now, ungoverned space. any time you have syria, libya, yemen, this is a magnet for terrorist organizations. there's infrastructure for them to use. just like you and i, they have to have a place to live, foot to eat and water to drink. there's no governance to stop them. yemen is the wild west right now as is somalia. it's important to recognize, i do not believe we should use unlimited force and send the military to take care of everything. but we have to have an offensive. we talked about an arab nato to deal with this as an issue. it's ungoverned space. this is a thing we have to deal with to thwart and prevent them from becoming hot beds of
radicalization for terrorists. >> i always get obsessed on the weird stuff. >> but i can't help be fascinated by how a major western city i was ground to a halt over what was a crude terror method, a knife and a vehicle. we've seen this play out in brussels a year ago and elsewhere. but this idea that with very little intelligence advanced planing, you can do a hell of a lot of damage >> i think this was planned. people are looking at our vulnerabilities. i've done red-teaming. i've done some against specific facilities in washington. i told them i was in the shoes of isis and how i would do it.
they didn't through about it. you can't take away vehicles and knives from everybody. the answer is de-radicalization. we have to work with the muslim community that wish to be de-radicalized like the egyptians. we have to separate violence from islam. we have to work with the elements of islam to cut out the cancer that isis. that's what we have to do. >> neil: thanks, tony. i mentioned at the outset and you said, why are you talking about stocks and european stocks at that? well, because the market was so curious. it's not the response of a panic that you see in the days of 9-11. you almost think the markets are getting used to this, we collectively, not only here but across the globe. maybe that's a good thing?
>> neil: all right. a lot of you are asking, what led and prompted this attack on london today? apparently a lone assailant. we don't know for sure. some have likened it to london and other major cities, western countries at that, targeting electronics items from muslim nations, whether that set this off. other say it's taking on raqqa in syria. it's hard to say. a lot of people are trying to put this together, especially when it came to the updated and intense attacks that this was coming. general king, what do you think of the argument? >> i think those are elements. overall, radical islamists have declared war on the west, neil.
they want to destroy the world order and transform it to their world order that is their strategic objective. at times they're going to be focused on a country for a specific reason. but they're going to continue at this. that's why i think -- i agree with everything tony shaffer said to do with them. but when we have a bona fide sanctuary, we have to go in there and destroy it and we shouldn't wait for 2 1/2 plus year, 3 years like the obama administration has done with isis. another one forming in syria with al-quaida. it's significant ant we should be destroying that and hopefully the trump administration will do it. we got pushed out of yemen where al-quaida had a sanctuary. now we're trying to do some work there. very critical that we take them down. it's the sanctuaries that the plans are made and given.
>> neil: and it would justified the raid that killed that navy seal and the valuable intelligence. i should explain to my viewers, neil, how did you put the stock market in the world in the context of this attack. it was for this reason, general. markets were fairly common in the face of this. you can say we're used this sadly or i think it could be a sign that you're not going to globally radicalize. you're not going to win this the way you have in the past. that's what i meant of that. it could cut both ways. being too common can make you sound cavalier and nonchalant. what do you make of it? >> i think it's two things. one it's unfortunately regrettably the number of attacks to be sure and the second thing is, just the toughening of the people. people live in democratic countries. they live their normal lives,
motivated by their life experiences. they're flat not going to let these studs and killers take away their way of life and their confidence and the business markets and the confidence in the governments. they're not going to let's it happen. >> we talk about the lone wolf. whether communicated directly or pushed by isis, whatever the group is, they want something big. the goal of these guys is something 9-11-like if not bigger. >> i think that's always been a strategic objective. it's much more difficult to do that. we've none the al-quaida front their inception has always been fascinated with weapons of mass destruction. they tried to experiment with some of it. didn't work out well. so i don't think the al-quaida people out there have ever given up on the thought that they could get their hands on a small yield nuclear weapon or some kind of chemical weapon and
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gasparino. it would follow in line with largely conservative groups and individual congressmen and women that are not keen on this. the two sides are confident that they have the votes to get what they want. what do you make of this and the market fallout tomorrow, charlie gasparino, if we see it shot down? >> the next couple days will be interesting, the markets. let's recap here. we've reported on fox business and the freedom caucus as they have about 30 no votes and they need 22 to shoot it down. 22 house members. they say they have 30. they're part of the house. conservative members, free marketeers that don't like the healthcare bill. the white house says they will squeak it through. the call for growth gives momentum to the freedom caucus. thevotes, maybe you get
more. looks like it's in trouble. my one caveat to this, this is the president's first major legislative initiative. to rebuke him now would be a significant event and it would have a pretty i think big impact on the markets. so we'll see. you know, a lot could happen in the next 24 hours. the white house is telling people they're going to twist enough arms to squeak it by. but momentum right now is against them. >> neil: the british prime minister is talking about today's developments. let's listen in. >> our thought and prayers go out to all that have been affected to the victims themselves and their family and friends what waved their loved
ones off but will not be welcoming them home. for those of us that were in parliament at the time of the attack, these events have a particular reminder of the exceptional reminder of our police and rescue services that risk their lives to keep our safe. once again today, these exceptional men and women ran towards the danger even as they encouraged others to move the other way. on behalf of the whole country, i want to pay tribute to them and to all of our emergency services for the work they've been doing to re-assure the public and bring security back to the streets of our capitol city. they have lost one of their own in today's attack only makes their calmness and professionalism under pressure all the more remarkable. the location of this attack was no accident. the terrorists chose to strike at the heart of our capitol city
where people of all nationalities, religions and cultures come together to celebrate the values of liberty, democracy and freedom of speech. these streets of westminster, hold to the world's oldest parliament are engrained with a spirit of freedom that echos in some of the furthest corners of the globe. and the values our parliament represents, democracy, freedom, human rights, the rule of law, commands the admiration and respect of free people everywhere. that is why it is a target for those that reject those values. but let me make it clear today as i have had cause to do before, any attempt to defeat those values through violence and terror is doomed to failure.
tomorrow morning parliament will meet as normal. we will come together as normal. and londoners and others from around the world who have come here to visit this great city will get up and go about their day as normal. they will leave their hotels, walk these streets and they will live their lives. and we will all move forward together. never giving in to terror and never allowing the voices of hate and evil to drive us. >> neil: all right. sorry that we lost our feed there. that was the british prime minister responding to the developments in london today that claimed four lives, including one of the assailant here. echoing, there was no accident that it happened in britain. all of this comes at a time that a week from today the british will be front-loading that separation, if you will, from
the west of europe, the so-called brexit, this populous waive of anti-establishment that led to the toppling of the former british government and you could argue to the emergence of donald trump or prefaced it. we should point out similarly, the british are saying it will not delay that brexit as a week from today. separately, this scottish parliament, an interesting development, they were debating as this was going on before they got word of these british attacks, coming up with the means to not follow britain. the british voters were crazy to approve this brexit move and they wanted a sort of a do-over so that scotland would not be part of that. the irony being because of that attack today in london, the scotts had to put that off, that referendum effort off. so right now as things stand, that brexit decision is still on and it would include the scotts.
even though they don't want it. it's just a reminder how developments can freeze everything in place, including an efforts for her majesty's kingdom to separate from the european union. the indications are that the scotts will reconvene tomorrow to consider doing that. remember, it was that vote last summer that panicked everybody and everybody thought it would be the financial end of london. of course, it was not. another consensus view that proved wrong. so many different views and so many actions affected by the developments today. but only momentarily. a reminder much like the markets, the move of their own accord, whether that says something about us and our terror hardened populations around the globe, the fact of the matter is that life goes on and this is the western world's
best way of telling that to lone wolfs, terrorists, al-quaida, boca haram, you may scare us but you stir us to ignoring you and fighting you. good night. >> kimberly: hello, everyone. we are closely following two big stories tonight, overseas and on the homefront. terror attack in london outside parliament. three people are dead, including a police officer. the suspect is also dead. multiple people are hurt. more to come in the moment. but first, to the breaking news out of washington from house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes. he announced earlier communications of trump transition officials and possibly even the president himself may have been monitored by the obama administration after the election. we are joined by chief white house correspondent john roberts with more.