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special factor poo tomorrow mock. i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly who will be back on monday. please remember, the spin stops right here, because we are looking out for you. have a great weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening to tucker carlson tonight. more high profile crimes apparently committed by illegal immigrants in this country. tonight we will bring you a horrifying story of a gang member deported four times accused of sexually assaulting a child and stabbing two women. also the political aftermath from the failure of the republican obamacare repeal. that happened today as you doubtless know. we will tell what you it means. first, the question over whether the obama administration spied on the trump campaign remains unanswered. two days ago house intel chair devin nunes said there was strong evidence of surveillance. enough to he says he is unsure partly because the fbi is not releasing relevant documents for some
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reason. white house press secretary sean spicer had this to say about it today. >> well, i think that there has been an acknowledgment that there are documents out there showing that people were surveilled or monitored to some degree. >> exclusively been foreigners devin nunes concedes. >> devin nunes also made it clear he is going to have a hearing later next week with several members of the intelligence community and calling them other. let's wait. >> why president vindicated by it? >> the president said he felt somewhat vindicated there is somewhat acknowledgment as we proceed down this discussion it continues to show that there was something there. >> tucker: richard good stein a democratic strategist. he has been in washington a long time and knows how the government works. he joins us tonight. >> for better for worse. >> tucker: perhaps this case worse. i think people are missing the big story both sides. democrats going on vladimir putin puppet master the republicans are talking about leaks. the actual scandal, which is
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the political use of classified intelligence to hurt people. under a are seeing it happen. you have seen it happen here before. explain to me as someone who has watched government a long time why democrats and republicans on the oversight committee cannot get relevant documents from the fbi which they are supposed to be overseeing. what's the possible explanation for that? >> you'll have to ask them. i don't know what the security clearances are. one can't help but be struck, however, let's look at the comey hearing if we can for a second. you know, i was politically active during watergate. and if watergate happened today, howard baker who said what did the president know and when did he know it if he was devin nunes, howard baker would be huddling with richard nixon behind sam irvin's back instead of asking mitchell what did the president know, he would be like who was deep throat, right? and i think that's perverted. we are really not looking to get to the bottom of what happened here. >> tucker: i think what you're miss something the real scandal is not what
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those who are elected do because we can throw them out of office. we have control over their careers. it's people unelect would and retain massive amounts of power do to influence the course of government behind the screen we can't see beyond. that is to say the permanent government. i'm not a conspiracy nut but i'm watching this and i'm asking myself is it really crazy to think that the obama administration, agencies overseen by the obama white house were spying on the trump campaign? apparently they were, why is that not something i should worry about. by the way it should be the hillary campaign. i don't care. you shouldn't be spying on political opponents. >> apparently. is this apparently whole litany of things that sean spicer cited that frankly a bit -- >> tucker: no. i'm saying when the director of the fbi james comey says that in congressional testimony under oath, yes, they were the subject of an investigation during the campaign. >> what he said, i think, was that people in the trump campaign got caught up in the investigation. and, let's.
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>> tucker: he said they were the subject of the investigation. >> let's imagine that paul manafort who we know was paid $10 million a year or so by trump culprits by putin come operates that he somehow crossed the line. we know that the wikileaks came out an hour after access hollywood, right? do we think that was just random? do we think that was just dumb luck or do we think when roger stone said it's op-ed's time in the barrel, that was just a kind of coincidence? >> tucker: you are not going to get plea to say the russia's government doesn't wish us well. they have for almost 100 years. of course. let's not forget we're not talking about the russian foreign government. we are talking about our own government authorize ago spying operation against its political opponent. that's at the very heart of the negotiation in watergate. we know that happened. >> no. >> tucker: that happened. >> comey is saying, first of all it, doesn't trace a wit to barack obama. i do hear you, tucker.
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i think you know better defending donald trump's unat that theununat the tim unteunat theat thuntethered. >> tucker: claim donald trump was under surveillance by the obama white house. i think that's entirely plausible. you don't think that's plausible? that's a big deal. >> when you say overseen by the owe obama white house? tuck troubling they are part of the obama administration that's the executive branch of government. >> make that charge about the fbi going after hillary clinton, right? it's in the same way. >> tucker: yes, you could. >> exactly. i'm saying we don't know, you know, what the direct kind of relationship is between the fbi and what they sees a their responsibility about disclosing information. they are now entitled to be suspect about sharing things with donald trump. >> tucker: but we do know that the intelligence agency, cia particularly, are in effect acting like their own government, they're unelected on february 16th, 2017, the "wall street journal"
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reported and no one has refuted it that the cia was withholding information from trump. normal job is to give them information. information he was asking for. withholding it because they don't think he should have it does that bother you? >> if you had information and you were an investigator or you were an government intelligence agency and the person you were responsible to give information to, you thought was actually going to mishandle it, i'm just saying i understand. >> tucker: not your job to make that judgment. >> well, i don't know. if you think national security is at stake. >> tucker: then you resign. we have civilian control of the intelligence agencies. if some army colonel decide we should invade liechtenstein would he be able to do that? no. he works for the president. on joh 149, hacked into the central intelligence computers. turned out we learned july 31st of the same year he was lying. they actually broke in to the senate intel committee's computers because they didn't like what they were doing. are you bothered by that. >> i'm bothered by leaks.
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>> tucker: that's not a leak that's espionage by elected official. >> i'm bothered they are misusing their authority. of course. i'm bothered profoundly by the misdirection of looking at leaks and what the intelligence agencies may or may not be doing correctly when the story is, again, possibly collusion between trump associates and russia equivalent of having russia bomb, bomb, bomb, the clinton headquarters every day. it wasn't kinetic, it was technological. >> tucker: that's grotesque overstatement but we will let it go by. we are talking about a political campaign. i'm not defending that here you have the most powerful and well funded government in the history of the world and most secret elements may be using that information for political reasons. in mash of 2013 james clapper went before the congress and said we're not collecting the information wholesale on americans, he lied. doesn't that bother you? >> they didn't do a very good job considering they went public with the investigation of hillary. they did not disclose this about trump. and had they, one could
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argue that would have been the equivalent of the comey letter as regards trump and paid the difference in terms of the campaign. >> tucker: we may be arguing the same thing. i thought that comey's announcement to hillary was under investigation without specifying what she was being investigated for was for that i have ought to be thought that at the time and i think it now. you are making it partisan something much more important at stake integrity the of our government. >> intelligent agency like. >> tucker: oh, gosh, we agree on that. thank you. >> happy to be here. >> tucker: bill benning worked at the nsa. he resigned in 2001 saying the agency was building illegal mass surveillance networks. he says that president trump almost certainly has been spied on by the government. was being spied on and probably for a long time. bill benning joins us now. bill, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: just in my intro you spent 30 years there. you are not speculating.
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you believe it was entirely possible that the president was, in fact, spied on. >> yes, in fact, they are taking in fundamentally the entire fiber network inside the united states and collecting all that data and storing it in a program for -- they call it it's stellar wind is the name for their program. that's the domestic collection of data on u.s. citizens. u.s. citizens to other u.s. citizens. everything we are doing. phone calls, emails and financial transactions. credit cards, things like that. all of it. >> tucker: so if you found someone objectionable or dangerous, the temptation would be profound to locate information on that person and perhaps misuse it. would it not be? >> yes. and, for example, inside nsa they had a program they called love-ent. that's where the analysts and national weathensa looked ie lovers were cheating on them. that's the extent of the data collection the nsa is doing. >> tucker: i grew up believing that the nsa was
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not allowed to be collecting evidence. you are saying that that's been perverted for many years. >> yeah, since 2001. >> tucker: so, what do you make of considering what you said the nsa has all the information so presumably they could prove or disprove the claims about russian tampering in this election. prove or disprove russia's tweet about being spied upon. why wouldn't they? >> well, that would get into the extent of which they have penetrated the network inside the united states. there is another program going on here that too many people aren't talking about. i think you were trying to get at it with your previous guest. inside nsa there is a set of people and we got this from another nsa whistle blower who witnessed some of this. they are inside there. they are targeting and looking at all the members of the supreme court, the joint chief he is of staff, congress, both house and senate, as well as the white house. and all of this data is there inside nsa in a small group where they are looking at it. the idea is to see what
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people that have power over you or what they think, what they think you should be doing or what they are planning to do to you, your budget, or whatever. so you can try to counteract it before it actually happens. >> tucker: i mean, that's just east german. that's got to be illegal. i do not believe that is legal. the oversight committees. >> no, it isn't. >> tucker: right. are supposed to be preventing that stuff. i remember having a conversation with a former republican chairman of the oversight committee, mike rogers and saying this is a big deal and getting an answer in effect terrorism. that doesn't sound like anything to do with terrorism. >> no. this bulk ache sition by the way is inhibiting their in advance. people get killed as a result. which means they pick up the pieces and clean up the blood after the attack. that's what's been going on. they have consistently failed. when alexander said stopped, they stopped 504 attacks, and he weighs challenged to produce the evidence to prove that he failed on every count. >> tucker: so, buff the nsa, this is my last question and obvious bun one.
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the nsa is not a country. to whom they report i want everything have you on x. aren't they required to give it to them? >> yes. but, again, he will never know if they do. because they don't necessarily have to do that internally. you see, you had nunes and others saying that they never really got to see the raw data. so it's a question of whether or not they pull out the raw data and give him that data or anything, reports generated off that. they don't have to. and they have been lying to them for consistently for a very long time. >> tucker: this is a shocking interview. i appreciate it, bill. hard to believe we are putting up with this. >> it's like the guard. they are going to determine what the el emperor does. >> tucker: deport criminal illegal aliens. texas governor greg abbot will be here to discuss that
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problem and then. >> this is in 28 years probably the most heinous criminal act i have ever seen. >> tucker: rockville rape was horrendous but another crime in long island somehow tops it. we will talk to the police commissioner there up ahead ♪ you totanobody's hurt, new car. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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>> tucker: if you live from modern america you know the rules by now we are all supposed to follow the law unless it is immigration law or any other policy the anointed leaders of the left happen to dislike. according to the department of homeland security from january 28th through february 3rd, 206 criminally charged illegal aliens were released nationwide by law enforcement despite hold
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requests placed on them by ice. those 206 released aliens 142 were released by a single sheriff. her name is sally hernandez, she is in travis county, texas where austin the state capital is. charges including sexual assault, robbery, and domestic violence. it's a very frustrating situation for the governor of texas, greg abbot, is he trying to ban sanctuary cities right now. he joins us in the studio. governor, great to see you. >> you too, tucker. >> tucker: am i explaining this right the elected sheriff whose job it is to uphold the law and enforce the law is in fact ignoring the law in travis county, texas; is that right. >> exactly right. dangerous. she has knowingly released from jail in travis county people who have either been convicted of or accused of serious felonies such as sexual assault. sexual assault of a minor she has put right back out onto the streets. this is a dangerous practice that texas is going to hammer down. we will not tolerate this. so we have taken action.
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we will take even stiffer action to prohibit and ban sanctuary cities in texas. >> tucker: this is sheriff sally hernandez known as sanction jerry sally. >> tucker: why would a sheriff want to release dangerous people back out in the community. >> there is a liberal agenda that wants to so-called be welcoming to those who are here illegally. one way they do that is by not enforcing the law. she campaigned on and got elected as sheriff in travis county this last year on the promise she would not enforce sanctuary city laws or she would not enforce ice detainers. she campaigned on the promise of not enforcing the law. that's not the way things are done in the state of texas. >> tucker: no. >> we are going to require that she, as well as all counties, all cities in the state of texas must follow the law. if you want to be in law enforcement, you have to enforce the law. >> tucker: why do they never do this with like tax evasion or seat belt laws or
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something i would benefit. >> from it doesn't fit in the paradigm of liberal ideology. >> tucker: what can you do about this. >> one thing i have done as governor of the state of texas defunded travis county from governor grants that were going to them to the tune of $1.5 million. i took out of their pocket. second is we are working on a piece of legislation that will impose criminal penalties where the sheriff herself can wind up behind bars and, hence, be removed from office, fines that could add up to millions of dollars per year as well as other penalties. we're going to make it so costly, so expensive there's no way that any city or county can take on sanctuary city policies. >> tucker: there also are torts involved here. if i give you my gun and say, hey, here is a gun and go rob a liquor store and shoot someone with it i can be sued certainly in civil court for that why wouldn't she be personally liable for the crimes she committed. >> that is wynn one of the
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proposals that has been discussed. could wind up in final piece of legislation where the sheriff or person personally could be. city or county could be subject to liability for paying for those who are injured. take the famous case of kate steinle. why shouldn't kate steinle's family be able to sue san francisco or the county that san francisco was in because of the loss of their child? i believe that claim should be viable against any official or any governmental body that allows sanctuary city policy. >> tucker: have you told the trial lawyers this. they profit from it why wouldn't they be in favor of this. >> because of their agenda. the trial lawyers did not pick this up and view it as a new avenue to make money. so they have not blessed it. they are not supporting it. ironically. >> tucker: wow. fascinating. >> nothing more than liberal agenda idea. >> tucker: nothing is more important than illegal immigration to these people. thank you for joining us. >> thank you.
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>> tucker: the republican party's obamacare repeal died a fairly prophetic death today. the speaker of the house paul ryan withdrawing it after the bill failed to collect enough republican support to pass. what happened today aftermath we are joined by fox news trace gallagher. hey, trace. >> hey, tucker, republicans new knew going into today it would be a long shot it did not stop mike pence making one more trip to the hill to see if he could twist a few freedom caucus arms. though some said it was more like strong arming. thomas massey tweet you had if the exec branch tells legislative branch when to voted how to vote and what it will be allowed to work on if vote fails is that a republic. 20 minutes before the 3:30 vote paul ryan went to the white house continue to form the president the numbers didn't add up. ryan says he recommended pulling the legislation and the president agreed. here is both. >> we did not have quite the votes to replace this law.
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and so, yeah, we're going to be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. >> i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it sex employing right now. >> as the g.o.p., brooks was as lease pleased as can be the bill didn't pass. his sentiments were echoed by democrats. listen. >> today a is great day for our country. it's a victory. what happened on the floor is a victory for the american people. for our seniors, for people with disabilities, for our children. >> reporter: hillary clinton also chimed in releasing a statement saying it's a victory for anybody who believes affordable healthcare is a fair right. one g.o.p. congressman tells fox news nearly 200 g.o.p. house members supported the bill which means they were 16 votes short. tucker. >> tucker: thanks a lot. >> trace.
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tommy v.a vladhim has been deported out of country. returned each time to stomping ground in new york. under arrest for sexually assaulting a 2-year-old and stabbing two women. for more information tonight we are joined by nassau police commissioner thomas crumpter thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. nice to be on tonight. >> tucker: tragic. this man was deported four times 2,000 miles away from nassau county. how do you think he got back. >> it's obviously a significant problem when over a five year period of time this individual was arrested multiple times and deported four separate occasions. that he was even here to commit this very evil act. >> tucker: is this something that you have seen before? >> we are seeing it. and, unfortunately, we are, you know, just two weeks ago we were involved in a case
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with the eastern district of new york where two young girls were killed in brentwood, long island. and significant number of the subjects all ms-13 gang members were all undocumented aliens. >> tucker: it's not your job to enforce the borders. it's very far from your job and you seem to be dealing wet consequence of not dealing with it do you wish you had help from the federal government here. >> obviously we believe the federal government has become more aggressive in dealing with these criminals that are undocumented aliens. and that's what we're talking about here. what we are talking about here tonight is an individual that created a situation where a 2-year-old will have to live significant emotional and physical injuries for the rest of her life. and it's unfortunate that he was even here to commit this, you know, heinous, horrific act. >> tucker: yeah. it should have been preventable in that sense. there is a lot of politics around this. i know you are serving in law enforcement. i don't want to put new an uncomfortable situation. will you concede that
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immigration policy does play a role in this crime and crimes like it? >> you know, it's absolutely the policy in nassau county our position is we will provide assistance. we will abide by those administrative detainers at the request of ice. we will hold these people for the allotted 48 hours in nassau county. you know, that is what we are there. obviously, trust is a top concern of the nassau county police department. >> tucker: yeah. >> every day we focus on improving that trust. we won't, you know, ask the immigration status of anyone that is a victim or a witness to a crime. but these are criminals that we really do have to focus on. >> tucker: so there is a pretty large city nearby that doesn't have those policies. dolls that make your life harder? >> i'm not going to speak to the new york city policies. what i will tell you is we take an oath of office that we'll enforce the laws of this country. and that's the rules that we play by in nassau county. >> tucker: if you run for mayor of new york city, call me. i will send you a donation. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: in light of the
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story you just heard and the rape in wrongville we have been covering all week it is maybe, just maybe time for us to overhaul approach to immigration. that's the question. joining us is cyrus. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me me on this show. >> tucker: some of my favorite people actually are immigrants. by the same token no honest person denies that some people come to this country for the wrong reasons and do horrible things when they're here. isn't it lying to pretend that all immigrants are more impressive than native born americans, which is the claim? >> you know, tucker, crime is committed in all societies. it's committed by a few immigrants but it's also committed by americans. >> tucker: yes. >> and when people commit crimes, law enforcement takes care of it. and the criminal justice system has to deal with it. but, to blame all immigrants for the crimes of a few is not becoming of america as a
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country of immigrants. we are focusing on few immigrants who commit crimes and, of course, my heart bleeds for the victims of these crimes. but on the other hand, we have millions of immigrants that benefit the united states. and we have to focus on that rather than just focusing on the few immigrants. >> tucker: that's your explanation? we focus on what you say to focus on now. i'm not blaming all immigrants for the crimes of a few. i'm mere live saying if someone is here illegally, it is by definition preventable. he shouldn't have been here and he should have been deported and kept out of country by definition. that's why it didn't need to happen. that's why it's a different level of frustration when we see crimes like that. do you understand? >> do i understand what you're saying but, on the other hand, there are lots of undocumented immigrants who are trying to get legal status in our immigration system that needs an upgrade. and we don't need to be deporting all undocumented immigrants. some of them have a basis to
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remain here or they could become legal if they marry a u.s. citizen or the laws change. so to have this mind set of trying to deport all undocumented immigrants because they are likely to comoit crimes is, again, unworthy and unbecoming of who we are as americans. >> tucker: thanks for the lecture on who we are. i don't think anyone is suggesting deporting all illegal immigrants even this administration as you know since have you been following it i don't think again anyone is saying they are all criminals. by the same token people like you pretend as if all people here from other countries are more virtuous than other americans. look at the statistics. these are real. d.n.a. wanted list for drug fugitives u 83% of them are foreign-born. in these cities, seattle, new york, philadelphia, dallas, and new jersey, there are no american-born fugitives on the list. not one. they are awful immigrant. >> i'm not sure about these statistics, tucker. but there are stories that.
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>> tucker: they are on the website today. >> immigrants have less proclivity to commit crimes and generally that has been the case by other studies. so you may be citing a set of studies. >> tucker: slow down. hold on e let's get our social science right. i don't know if that's true or not. immigrants want to do their work be left alone. >> focus on those immigrants. >> tucker: i think we do and celebrate them. there are also many others whose existence we deny for whom you are making excuses right now who cause o. cause an awful lot of trouble. why would we put up for that for a second. come to a country and commit a crime of course you are. let me just talk let the criminal justice system deal with immigrants that commit crimes and let's reform our immigration system so we can have pathways, sensible pathways for people to legalize here and contribute to the united states and its economy. and that's what we need to be focusing on. rather than the few people who commit crimes. >> tucker: here is something
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you tweeted february 28th. i don't want to pull it out of random. it's not a gotcha show. it's an interesting point. you say buy american and hire american brings prosperity to awnchts i'm glad i tweeted that under a are quoting it today. >> tucker: is that true. all the mckin is i consultants think that and a lot of people in your world think that. has the american middle class become more prosperous at a time you have globalization, has it? do you know? >> tucker, our economy has done better in the last few years because we are interdependent with other countries. >> tucker: really? >> yes. >> tucker: let me ask you again a very specific. >> technology and skills. and become prosperous. >> tucker: hold on there interest a lot of upsides and i never deny that. >> you agree there are upsides and the upsides outweigh the down sides.
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>> tucker: you say bring jobs and prosperity to all. my question is people making under $50,000 in this country the middle class are they better than they were. >> >> they are not. much worse off. >> other forces. we are in a state of transition. and immigration if we have interdepen dense and immigration, we will ultimately become more prosperous. >> tucker: a lot of you was are waiting for that and i want to believe what you are saying. you evidence is completely wrong. >> i want to have more googles in the united states. >> tucker: don't we all. >> i'm glad we agree on that. >> tucker: yesterday we showed you a series of emails sent by montgomery school superintendent dr. jack r. smith. in those emails dr. jack r. smith told parents they didn't want illegal immigrants coming to their schools and they were racist answered would call police on them. here is more information for dr. jack r. smith. montgomery county has given him quite a contract. he gets a base pay of
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$275,000 per year which can only go up every year. unlike the rest of the american economy can never go down. nice trick. in addition, he gets 40 grand deposited in a retirement fund each year. so far that's more than 10 times the median income in this country. his contract does not stop there. it gets better. dr. jack r. smith also gets five weeks paid vacation every year plus four weeks of sick or personal leave all of which he can cash out for cash if he doesn't use it. huh? now, separate all of this leave he gets every school holiday off with pay, there are a lot of them of course. any technology he requires for the job smart phone and computer. that's also the district's responsibility. so far dr. jack r. smith has gotten about every possible perk taxpayers can bestow short of his own private car actually he does get a car for free. use it for personal as well as professional business and all expenses are paid by the generous parents you have montgomery county. the question is what do
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these parents get in return for all of this? they get dangerous schools run by a demagogue who slanders them and threatens to put them in jail if they complain about it. that's a deal courtesy of montgomery county, maryland. up next, a black panther killed in a new jersey state trooper 40 years ago and fled to cuba. key will faulk to chris christie about hopes to bring her to campus. another speech this time at notre dame. talk to a professor who says he will not be intimidated by them. stay tuned. ♪ allergies with nasal congestion? find fast relief behind the counter with claritin-d. [ upbeat music ] strut past that aisle for the allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes and contains the best oral decongestant. live claritin clear, with claritin-d.
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>> tucker: 40 years ago this year chesmard also known as shakur was convicted of murdering a state trooper. a few years later she escaped to prison and fled to cuba where she has lived under the protection of the castro regime ever since. the obama administration cuba administration last year. is there any prospect that the trump administration can bring her back to from that
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island to justice here. new jersey governor chris christie hopes. so he joins us now. governor, thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. tucker. >> tucker: i know you have been following this for many years. so you will know the answer to this. did the obama administration make any effort as was normalizing relations with cuba negotiating over those normalized relations to bring this fugitive back to the united states. >> none that we're aware of, tucker. i wasn't in obviously on the meetings that were happening in secret beaten tween the obama administration. thee murdered a state trooper convicted 40 years ago this week. escaped from a new jersey prison when she was being transferred. and fled to cuba and has been protected by the castro regime paid by them, supported by them and, yet, we normalized relation was country that will not return someone that was rightfully convicted under our justice system of murdering a state trooper. it's outrageous. and i have been saying it's
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outrageous since i became governor. >> tucker: it is outrageous. what can be done now. >> well, listen, i hope what the trump administration is going to do before we take any further steps with the relationship with cuba that they say, listen, first and foremost, return this fugitive from justice back to new jersey so that she can rightfully serve the rest of her term for murdering a police officer. everyone says they support what the police do every day. they acknowledge they put their lives on the line. well, this gentleman not only put his life on the line, he gave his life. and his family has lived for the last 40 years with the knowledge that his murderer has been living with impunity in an island protected by that government. it's outrageous. i think, you know, this is something that secretary of state tillerson and others in the trump administration should make a top priority in any dealings they have with cuba. >> tucker: vow been around government and worked in government for many, many years. given your experience, do you think it is plausible that intelligence agencies supervised by the obama white house surveilled donald trump's campaign, his
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staff, communications in and out of trump tower? >> there certainly doesn't seem to be any evidence of that at this point, tucker. you know, i know from having spent seven years as a u.s. attorney that the fisa court and the way that works and foreign intelligence, surveillance activities, it is very, very difficult to get that type of activity going. you have to go and convince an independent judge. and as a prosecutor, it was our job to provide that information along with the department of justice to do it. so i don't see any evidence of that at this point in time. you know, we'll continue to listen. but i can tell you from my experience that kind of stuff was very difficult to >> tucker: kellyanne conway this sunday on one of the shows said that she believed at some point you would be joining the trump administration. what job would that be? >> i have no idea. >> tucker: what do you want? >> well, i'm not going to negotiate with you, tucker, unless you are an agent for the trump administration.
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[laughter] and i know you are not. so we are going to have no negotiations. listen, i made it very clear to the president that i you wanted to complete my term as governor of new jersey. and that it would be something that would have to be very, very unusual to make me leave this job early. i asked for eight years. absent being president myself, which did not work out, i didn't want to leave. and so, will i ever go work there? i have no idea. listen, the president has been a very good friend, dear friend of mine and mary pat's for the last 15 years. i talk to him frequently. i give him the best advice i can give him. sometimes i just sit and talk about things that have nothing to do with government and we talk about families and sports and other things. we're friends. we have been friends for a long time. so i'm always going to be there to help him. whether i will ever work in his administration or not, i don't have a crystal ball. >> tucker: when was the last time you talked to him and what advice did you give him? >> i talked to him a couple nights ago and i won't tell what kind of advice. that's the way you give
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advice to the president of the united states privately and quietly and just between the two of you. i never talk to the advice i give to my friend the president. >> tucker: governor chris christie of new jersey. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. thanks for putting a spotlight on the joanne chesimard issue. >> tucker: thank you. earlier this month, rioters forced the cancellation of a charles murray speech in middle bury college in vermont. now they are trying to cancel his appearance at notre dame a professor who invited him about why he is not backing down ♪ tough, capable, clever. get a 3-year brp limited warranty plus a $1,500 cash rebate on 2016 defender models.
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♪ >> tucker: working to ban unpopular speakers is the trendiest things on campus since beer pong and solo cups. charles mur were tried to speak at middle bury in
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vermont. they got so worked up assaulted a professor. he was hospitalized. the event was cancelled. a professor at notre dame. he has invited murray to speak at his school next week on tuesday. the usual complainers are out in force demanding that he rescind the invitation. he says he will not. he joins us tonight. professor, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so, simple question. why did you invite him given what happened at middle bury and why won't you back down? >> well, we invited him months ago. and we're reading his book in my class. so he is coming to speak to my class. not going to back down. >> tucker: which book. >> reading "coming apart" and "our kids." we have a liberal and conservative. we invited bob putnam last year so we have charles murray this year. tuck troubling what's the --
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>> tucker: what's the reaction been. >> some on the left pretty unhappy. some of my colleagues wanted me to disinvite him and dismayed that we did so in the first place. i have to say since the article came out a couple of days ago i have gotten almost 100 percent positive response. >> tucker: so in the piece you write about the rationale for banning campus speakers and you say that some in college faculties argue that the kids are too sensitive to hear points of view that they disagree with, that it will wound them if they are expoliciesed to these ideas. i wonder if that's sincere or do the professors really believe that or a way to squelch ideas they disagree with. >> yeah. i think some. some think they are protecting the student and i just disagree with them. some, to be honest, are using the students to advance their own agenda. if there is -- there f. there are problems with race or gender or what have you on campus, those professors will get more resources directed towards their
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programs. and so they have incentive to make issues where really there are no issues. >> tucker: market forces at work once again. so it seems to me that you are doing -- i beg your pardon. i'm overcome with emotion. at the traditional role you are playing in a college which is to expose people to ideas they haven't heard before and to challenge their beliefs and basically to teach in the spirit of free inquiry and freedom of speech. is that not shared universally on your campus by professors? >> you know, notre dame is pretty good. it's not shared universally. notre dame is better than most places. our administration has been great. our senior administration. no pressure from them. but notre dame, you know, no surprise, faculty tend to lean left. and, yeah. i mean, you ask, you know, isn't this what we are supposed to do? this is exactly what we are supposed to do. this is my job. i bring speakers to campus. i sign books not because i agree with them. because that's what i do. we are supposed to argue about them.
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i'm not just going to sign books that i agree with or kids agree with. we assign those books that are smart and murray is a smart guy and we should hear him whether we agree with him or not. >> tucker: i should say by the way i have no idea what your political views are. i bet your students don't know. that's how it should be. in the 10 seconds we have left, do you expect a problem? do you expect people to freak out and assault you? >> i hope not. i'm relying on the football players in my class to protect me. so we will see. >> tucker: you are an old fashioned man. i like that professor munoz, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having. >> tucker: coming up next, the long awaited return of king for day. we asked you what you would do if you were this country's supreme autocrat with supreme power. what else the good you would do? a lot of answers after the break.dd only tena overnight underwear ...with its secure barrier system gives you....
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♪ >> tucker: oh it's time for king for day. the power lotto. what if you won and had salute power to do whatever you wanted. here is what you said. sherri tweeted this immigration before we don't have america to worry about. healthcare and budget cuts will be meaningless. who used all names that's the name of the twitter guy said all bernie sanders people get to take a field trip to venezuela to learn about socialism for hand. not a bad idea. what would happen if they rescue the economy of venezuela. they might. it couldn't get worse. michael tweeted this end birth right citizenship for illegals. that would fix a huge system of immigration and welfare in one fell swoop. i would make all congressman and senators independence and put them in a room with five major issues and force solutions. you will find the congressman may be the ones with the issues. and lastly paul tweeted banish everyone i don't like to california. sorry. already happened.
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