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>> neil: we are getting word of two democratic senators, heidi heitkamp of north dakota and the senator from virginia who will will support neil gorsuch. there are a lot more to go. we will see you tomorrow. >> eric: i'm eric bolling with lisa boothe juan williams. dana perino, and greg gutfeld. there's a lot of breaking news this afternoon. at approximately 1:15, "the new york times" name of the sources that devin nunes has said showed him the evidence that communications with the trump transition team had been incidentally collected. fox news has confirmed those sources independently. they are white house staffers at the national security council. michael alice and ezra
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cohen-watnick. >> if, in fact, the national security council staff that discovered these materials reportedly in the ordinary course of business are the same national security staff that provided them to the chairman to be provided to the president, it raises a profound question of why they were not directly provided to the white house by the national security staff and instead were provided through a circuitous route involving the chairman. if that was designed to hide the origin of the materials, that raises profound questions about just what the white house is doing. >> eric: there are three investigations going on over two separate topics. first topic, whether or not there was any collusion with the russian spy team trump during the election, and the second thing was their surveillance of team trump by the intel department, and if so, who unmasked the names of those
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being surveilled. also very important: was the unmasking legal? let's jump in. dana, what was the big information we got today? >> dana: there's two. were going to get to it later but the senate hearing. in this case, this is another day, another story which leads to more questions. i really think the white house should appoint somebody who is the communications person answering these questions. if not, they will not be able to talk about anything else. you have a couple different threads. sean spicer has not said at the podium who had actually cleared representative nunes into the white house. i know how that goes. you don't even want to ask to find out. people in the white house should try to protect him. he has to go out there and answer these questions. nunes said in one one of his interviews, he said he doesn't
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think anyone in the west wing knows what he was doing when he was over there. one of the lawyers, michael ls, used to work for nunes. his title is special assistant to the president. maybe his office is in the old executive office building because there's not enough office space in the west wing but he's part of the west wing staff. the other thing is, now the white house says the democrats on the committee, now they are welcome to come to the white house to see the same information. they could have saved themselves this headache by doing that at the very beginning. i think they keep creating more problems for themselves by trying to win a new cycle than just cooperating with the investigation. >> eric: still trying to figure out, general flynn, michael flynn, was unmasked. now we are trying to figure out, was he surveilled legally and unmasked legally? maybe we have both committees, senate and house intel
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committees, coming to the white house to discuss it. >> greg: this is the story of a fat man's sweater. you pull one string and it unravels and unravels bread were going to talk about it for the next four years. obviously, you are right. it is not about the incidental collection but the dissemination. it's one thing for the pharmacist to know what pills you are taking. it's another thing to talk about it edit convention of pharmacists. nunes has to be faulted for going to the town square first before going to the sheriff. i.e. sheriff woody, adam schiff. they are dead ringers. if he had gone to adam schiff and then the town square, i think it would make more sense. but that's just me, and what do i know? very little. >> eric: you know a lot. >> greg: i disagree. >> eric: i disagree with your disagreement. team trump has been surveilled, unmasked, accused. some people would say they are victims in this.
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>> juan: i don't even know where to start with you some days but let me say. how about legal? nobody, devin nunes doesn't say it was illegal. it was illegal surveillance and in the course of legal surveillance the incidentally collected some information of people who were americans. it's not a matter of legal or illegal. >> dana: but one of them, one of the reports finds out that it was russians talking amongst themselves about how they were trying to get influence into the trump team. they are talking about people who worked for president trump and they want access to him. that's how their names are in there. it's not like those people were talking to the russians, according to that one reports. i think they can understand, i can understand why they want nunes. if they found that information, why not take it to the general counsel's office or the press
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office and say you take it, incentive trying to do this keystone cop kind of way of getting nunes to do their dirty work for them. >> juan: i was surprised today when paul ryan was interviewed and paul ryan said when nunes came to see me, i'm speaker of the house. he is nunes' boss. he said nunes gives me the impression there were some whistleblowers bread i got this information from whistleblowers. today we find out -- >> dana: in the intel community. >> juan: he said they were whistleblowers, worked for the intel community. now we find out basically it was the white house blowing smoke intentionally to obstruct and obscure the legitimate investigation of the case. to me, that's the headline. >> eric: i'm not sure that so leap we are willing to take. >> juan: where did the
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information come from? it came from the white house. >> eric: we don't know the actual information yet. >> lisa: ultimately it's all concerning. there's an fbi investigation. it's concerning theirs and unmasking, a leak classified information, especially when you have people like trey gowdy trying to pin the blame on the obama administration. you also have it on the backdrop that president obama change the nsa rules for how information could be disseminated across the government. you have "the new york times" article that the obama administration is leaving breadcrumbs of intelligence information. in regards to chairman nunes, where he needs to be concerned, there's so much that could've been done to avoid a lot of this. the problem he's going to face, if more republicans stepped
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forward and asked for him to step down, that's when he's going to start to face real heat. to >> eric: before go, something about you just said, lisa. i want to bring this up. this is important. assistant deputy secretary to russian affairs and the state department. she told the obama white house, she left in 2015, when president trump was president-elect trump, she told the obama white house to put away information they were gathering on the trump transition team. how does a mid-level, a mid-level assistant deputy secretary, how does she have access to this information. why should she be advising the current white house on this? >> dana: i don't know her at all.
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she made those remarks six weeks ago. not new information. the information we have today is that the sources came from the white house. that's the new development. the other stuff, the unmasking of flynn, still unanswered questions. >> eric: i will tell you. i'm sorry, lisa. on this topic, hopefully they're going to call some of these witnesses. find out what she was involved with. who else. senate intel committee held its first public hearing today on russia's meddling in our election. the fbi is investigating whether the trump campaign in any way worked with the russians. is the president himself under investigation? speaker ryan doesn't think so. because i do not believe that's the case. >> if we don't know that -- >> i won't speak for the fbi but i've never seen any suggestion or evidence that's the case.
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i don't believe he is. i don't think he is under investigation. no one has suggested he is and not even in a vague way. >> eric: catherine herridge just spoke to one of the president's campaign advisors wrapped up in the controversy. carter page will be a witness next week at the senate hearing hearings. >> do you work with the russians to help the trump campaign? they could absolutely not. i did nothing that could even be possibly viewed as helping them in anyway. >> did you work with the russians to hurt the clinton campaign? >> absolutely not. in no way, shape, or form. it >> eric: more of that interview tonight on "special report." i'm sorry, lisa. i cut you off before. >> lisa: ultimately i think the conversations we are having
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makes the fbi investigation the most important one. hopefully that's being done with politics aside. and it has the biggest consequences. could lead to legal ramifications. that's what is ultimately the most important thing. i think what was important today in the senate hearing as well is the conversation of the fact that the russian meddling in our election has been long happening in u.s. and european elections which is what came up today. we also had russia not that long ago hack into the joint chiefs of staff. this is important. this is something we've long been dealing with. >> juan: nunes said he'd never heard of carter page. holy smokes. he never heard of roger stone, carter page? is that credible? talk about sacrificing not only your credibility but the idea that you are a serious person in washington. we sit here, eric.
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we know who carter page is. we know roger stone. the guy who was supposed to be in charge says he'd never heard of them. it is beyond reasonable. >> greg: what i find interesting with the hearings is the openness in which the democrats and republicans both are so willing to dissect the chilling nature of an adversary. which is something they refused to do with islamism. when i am watching this and i see the interest in russia and i understand russian meddling in our election is a bad thing. it's very bad. but it's an easy target to take because it doesn't have the baggage of bigotry. the baggage of bigotry that prevents our politicians from saying no, there is an existential threat called islamism. th you see the left, they are finally up in arms about soviet, non-russian, aggression and intrusion after four decades in
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which tens of millions of people suffered and died under the hands of communism. here they are upset over spam bots. >> juan: i don't think we need to way. let's be clear. there was testimony today that we will get into in a moment in terms of the senate. one person said it's very clear the russians are trying to encourage a sense of disbelief and democracy. trying to take apart the european union. trying to take apart nato. these -- >> eric: for decades. >> juan: intensified to the point that this week, guess what. theyre going after paul ryan. wait a minute. they are trying to foment dissent. >> lisa: we do a pretty good job on our own undermining institutions. >> eric: it may be said that
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devin nunes may not have unveiled some of the information or handled it properly or the way you would like it or we would like it but adam schiff also made some accusations that he had to walk back about having direct evidence or circumstantial evidence. >> dana: i think there is a stark difference be how the house chairman have handled this and how the senators yesterday, warner and burr handled it. i think i would end the house investigation prayed i would abandon it and let the senators do their investigation. seems like that's a serious one that's not tainted. i don't think anyone is going to believe anything that comes out of the house. let the senate and the fbi handle it. >> eric: i think we would agree with you, does it eliminate the need for an investigator, independent investigator? >> dana: if you think that's in your bestnterest that you don't want a special prosecutor, then yeah, i think it could. >> juan: i think more and more republicans are coming to the
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conclusion we do need a special prosecutor. i might add, dick cheney said, this comes back to what we were discussing, he considers what the russians did an act of war. >> greg: i'm not saying what what the russians did was okay. i'm saying they are hardwired to take advantage of our vulnerabilities. the best outcome for us is to understand that and accept it and move on to the bigger issues which are terror. that is our existential threat to. it's not russia. >> eric: we are going to talk more about this in the next block. you've got to come up with more notes. no matter how dusty the room or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose.
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♪ >> juan: fbi director jim comey has come under fire from the left and the right. republicans were upset when he cleared hillary clinton of criminal wrongdoing over her email. democrats upset with him when he announced another probe days before the election all to ultimately clear her once again. last night at a dinner in virginia, comey insisted he and
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his bureau are not in the business of playing politics. >> the lack steer -- the last year has been both difficult and easier than you might think. i've never been prouder of the fbi. what makes it easy is we are not on anybody's side ever. we are not considering who will be gored by this action or that action paid we are not fools. i know what i make a hard decision, a storm is going to follow but honestly i don't care. if we start to think about who will be affected in what way by our decisions in a political sense, we are done. >> juan: this was really difficult i think for jim comey. his reputation has been taking shots from the left and right. there's also the case that jim comey, according to stories out today, was told by the obama white house knots, not to talk
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about the russian probe. he had the go-ahead to say something about continuing investigation into hillary clinton ten days before the election but he was given a red light by guess who? the obama administration when he asked to write an op-ed talking about -- >> eric: op-ed is the operative part. i think the yard to jim comeys out there. the one who said we haven't 1,000 active investigations, all 50 states and the union surveilling isis and watching wh they are doing. that is the good jim comey. then there's the bad jim comey who wants to write an op-ed. a spy chief wants to write an op-ed to. how insane is that? i don't blame the obama administration for saying no. if weon't want jim comey's opinion. we want to know what he knows. who is being surveilled and why. that's more important. i think he's getting caught up in the politics.
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he wants to be everyone's friend. >> juan: lisa, the let's use eric's parameters and say jim comey made the right decision or the obama administration made the right decision in terms of investigation that we want our investigators to come to a strong conclusion. but jim comey, in the mind of many people involved in politics in america, jim comey says everything is viewed through, are you left-wing or right-wing? but in terms of politics, he damaged one candidate, hillary clinton. >> lisa: i'm not a big fan of parameters. if you are the fbi director, he was set up to be involved in politics from the beginning. he had a presidential candidate who was under investigation prayed now we know there were at least two investigations involving both candidates. it was unavoidable. how do you avoid being inserted in the political election when there's a major candidate being investigated. what was he going to do?
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no matter what decision he came to, he was going to be criticized. can you imagine if he had recommended an indictment? permanently changing the course of the election even more so than the decision he made. loretta lynch put him in a pretty tough spot by compromising herself by meeting with bill clinton. in his defense, to some degree, i don't know if he's handled everything as well as he could have but he's been faced with some unprecedented things. >> juan: it's august, day now. the question is, did he adhere to the standards of the fbi in terms of the investigation but botch it in terms of the politics? >> dana: he kind of was between a rock and a hard place. i think the op-ed idea was a communications vehicle. it wasn't that jim comey was like, i want to give my opinion. he wanted to have one statement other that would be something where he wasn't giving an interview where things could be left to interpretation.
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i think what you want to do, he wanted to make it public. but i understand from the president obama team, going back a couple months, they were concerned that if they said the russians are trying to help donald trump in the election that it would look like president obama was trying to help hillary at donald trump's expense. president obama didn't want to be that guy. everybody was caught in a tough decision-making process. >> juan: greg? >> greg: what? >> juan: we have news that eric and president obama agree on something. >> greg: do you know who is behind this collusion? president obama. he shot down the op-ed. why? the birth of birth her resume was hillary clinton. he's the one behind it. he didn't want hillary in the white house so he killed the information that was going to appear in the op-ed, destroying
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hillary's chances, sending her to the woods where she belongs. mattis is no man's homie. one minute, you like the cut of his jib and then next minute you go, he's a treasonous cat. he's like metallica. good album, bad album, good album. maybe like vegetables, no one likes it but somehow it's good for you. everyone gets mad at the sky, it means to be he's kind good for you. >> lisa: don't tell "the wall street journal." >> juan: democrats are split between obama's decision and the outrage that still exists. >> greg: where is president obama right now? he has left the country. do we know where he is? could he be with putin as we speak? >> eric: he did love >> juan: mattis for about a two week period. >> juan: no one loved him. i don't know about that press
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here is more from pugh on her decision. >> i don't think there's anybody that wants to see the minimum wage increased more than i do. but i think it's important we follow the lead of the state. for those reasons and the economic impact i think that's has on the city, making the hole in the doughnut is not appropriate at this time. >> dana: i think that's courageous. what she was saying what she wants to follow the state. state legislature is working on a bill that would raise it to $10.10 an hour. she set up it ghost of $15 an hour, jobs will leave the city and go to the counties. >> greg: by speaking the truth, she left the cult of ideology. the easiest way to describe what the minimum wage was does is if you have a piece of pie with eight slices, eight people can eat. if you divided into six pieces, six people can eat.
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this common sense goes out the window in liberal cities because normally we see that minimum wage is the first rung in the latter of a career. it was okay when i was young but if you live in baltimore and other cities ruined by leftism, the first wrong is often the last wrong so you understand why they are fighting to increase it. that's all they've got. what she is trying to say, the only way out is to create more wrongs through more businesses. other people are saying no, we need it now. >> dana: what did you think, juan? you know baltimore well. did you cover that as a reporte reporter? >> juan: i have been friends with mayers in baltimore for a while. >> greg: that explains it. >> juan: i don't know mayor assad or that well but i thought she was brave and right. she did the right thing by saying no because the counties right outside the city are already benefiting from loss of
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jobs that previously would have been located in the city because baltimore has been chaotic. riots, high crime. it would have cost a loss of jobs. she is not saying it's a bad idea to raise the minimum wage. she is saying let the state act so you have a uniform playing field. i think that's what people are saying across the board. i thought you were going to raise robots. automation will come in and it's cheaper than paying the minimum wage. but i would say, as a matter of morality, it's not just kids. it's not your first job. lots of people are now adults. >> dana: what about the economics? do you think businesses will defend her? >> eric: i think she stumbled onto the right idea for the wrong reason. she did the right thing because when you raise the minimum wage artificial, businesses will do something different. i don't think they're going to
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leave the city. i think they will automate. have a robot do it. but take it one step further. if she goes 15 and they go outside her city to the county, what if the state goes to 15? they are going to do the same thing anyway. the answer is, don't artificially raise the minimum wage but not because -- they are just going to automate you out of business. >> lisa: dana, you mentioned $10.10. congressional budget office said increasing the federal minimum wage would cost upwards of 500,000 jobs. i think it ultimately comes down to cents. cash goes in one pocket, comes out of another. where do you think it's going to come from? do you think employers are going to want to pay someone without a skill set if is an entry level
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>> greg: starbucks is working with a start up that gives free coffee to people with opposing political views as long as they engage in polite discourse, essentially each person gets half a gift card and then they have to meet up to get the free caffeine. sounds good to me, but how do you find two sides on campus? remember, it's only one side of the divide that silences the other. it's not t right who needs a bribe to keep from shouting down historians or beating up professors. it says something that it's a company pushing this diversity. i sense the teachers lounge would not approve, but i have to say i applaud starbucks. this app is apt. the campus is ground zero for toxic identity politics. studies on the brain show how cooperation enhances positive feelings which then drive collaborative activities like creating companies, cities,
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civilizations. human evolution relies on cooperation which is why identity politics feel so backwards. social justice warriors want to return to the dark ages when you communicated with a club instead of joining one. perhaps a free cup of joe is one small step against the twisted movement that rolls back progress by pitting us against each other. try the app. have that copy, and make one for beer. civilization may depend on it. dana, do you think it's a bad idea? >> dana: i don't want to talk to anybody. >> greg: you are antisocial. you run from our fans. i'm kidding. you don't think it's a good idea? >> dana: i really don't care. i think it's unnecessary. i don't think people need to talk. i can't believe you think this is a good idea. i thought your monologue was going to go in a completely different direction.
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>> greg: i tried to be unpredictable. >> dana:re you going to do is? >> greg: i do that every day. i agree with everybody. i take the subway every morning and talk to the real people. >> eric: what time? >> greg: every morning at 11. i talked to the singers. >> dana: i know you give them money which is very nice of you. >> greg: thank you. where are we going with this? >> eric: it strikes me starbucks is trying to reach out to the other side. they have been social justice warriors for a long time. member, were going to take in refugees. now they say they are starting to reach out, saying we are going to hire these veteransow now. they are making a big push to hire more veterans. i think it's great. i think it's fantastic but to say if you are in the political left, why don't you meet up with some on the political right over a starbucks and maybe they can
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work their way into the more conservative group of consumers which frankly they haven't -- they made substantial inroads into liberalism. >> lisa: what do you do if you are an independent or libertarian? are you not invited? >> dana: no coffee for you. in the morning, you don't really want to talk to anyone. maybe in the afternoon. i think this is a gooddea. i typically don't like starbucks because they engage in so many political debates and it's really annoying. at a time where people are lighting cities on fire, people have opposing political views are punching each other in the face, may be encouraging civil discourse, particularly on college campuses is not a bad thing. >> juan: i want a box a load of these free coupons because i talk to you guys every day. if i gave you, gregory and eric, if i give you half a coupon, then i get to go with both of you and get free coffee.
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in the back, maybe they have beer. >> greg: coffee is hot. people could throw it on you. >> lisa: you could put baileys in your coffee. >> greg: put baileys and everything. i put bailey's and my baileys. showed president trump and the freedom caucus takes starbucks up on the offered? dana says no. the president threatened war against caucus members in the midterm if they don't get on board i joined the army in july of '98. our 18 year old was in an accident.
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♪ >> lisa: friday the consvative freedom caucus helped democrats think presidents effort to repeal and replace obamacare. he tweeted: the freedom caus will hurt the entire republican agenda if they don't get on the team & fast. we must fight them, & dems, in 2018! here's how to caucus members responded. >> not here to assign blame. but i am focused on doing is doing what we told the voters we
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would do. let's forget the blame and do what we said. pray that swept the freedom caucus and republicans are committed to. >> it may allow a child to get his way but that's not how our government works. >> lisa: eric. >> eric: i am close to these freedom caucus. i love what they do. i love what they do with health care. the health care bill helps the upper echelon of incomes. however, i will say i think they need to play ball on tax reform and here's why. across-the-board, upper, middle, and lower income families, households and individuals will do better when we get tax reform. the conservative premise is lower taxes, keep more of your money. life will get better. if they need work with the
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moderates leave the house to get that stuff pushed throu. i think they will. tim jordan, next speaker of the house. >> lisa: eric mentioned tax reform. how does this affect back? >> dana: i don't know. but i'm going to pop some popcorn and watch it all. this is some hardball politics coming from the white house, and i don't know how these members who are very dedicated to their principles will take to it. those two that we just heard from. if they are symbolic of the rest of the group, we could be in for a rocky ride or this could be a way of airing out the differences as they come together. >> lisa: obviously try to work with them on health care reform. is this like a carrot and stick approach? >> greg: everyone says they are going to pop popcorn but they never do. >> dana: i do. >> greg: no deal is perfect, that's why it's called the deal. what do you expect from the guy who wrote "the art of the deal."
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deals come before ideology. tribalism like this doesn't build anything. differences are vital but it's important to settle them. have some coffee. and popcorn. >> lisa: the president won by devil digits than many of these districts. >> dana: some of them ran ahead of him. >> juan: he is threatening to go and campaign against people. to my mind,his is interesting because i believe they were some of his biggest supporters on the campaign trail, right? >> eric: with tax reform, he's going to have the freedom caucus on his side and he's going to have problems with the moderates. >> juan: they needed health care reform and take some of the tax in order to create a justification for taking away. >> dana: another thing the
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president could do is threaten to take away their own obamacare exemption on capitol hill. >> lisa: we can continue this conversation before the break. "one more thing" is coming up next. hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer
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and i finally found our big idaho potato truck. it's been touring the country telling folks about our heart healthy idaho potatoes, america's favorite potatoes, and donating to local charities along the way. but now it's finally back home where it belongs. aw man. hey, wait up. where you goin'? here we go again.
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♪ >> eric: dana. >> dana: the world's largest humanitarian crisis in 70 years has been declared in nigeria, somalia, south sudan. they are on the brink of famine.
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this coincides with the president's budget and which has proposed cuts to foreign aid. the world food program is asking for more and i think the united states should help because they are facing the possibility of more migrants into europe and more support for isis. here is someone unicef. >> severely malnourished babies. very, very sad story. the figures are going up. >> if we don't do much, enough to mitigate the situation, it is a catastrophe. >> dana: this is an international crisis that is not a surprise. we should do more now so that we don't have to do more later. >> greg: only on "the five" can you go from that serious to this. i hate these people.
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the most disgusting thing i've ever seen in my life is called the licky brush. it allows you to pet your cat using your mouth. i'm not going to show you how to use it. you put your brush in your mouth and let's say you've got a jackal lope, which i do. you've picked it like this. if you have this kind of relationship with a pet, i suggest you seek help. i don't even think you do this, dana. >> dana: iouldn't even do that. >> greg: i figured there's no way you can show this on tv. >> dana: they would sell that. >> lisa: who doesn't do that? is that weird? >> juan: you just had that?
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>> greg: i carry fred wherever i go. he's been with me for 15 years. it's our relationship. >> lisa: you never feel lonely lonely. >> eric: we better go. house intel committee chairman devin nunes, or is it nun-yez. >> devon newness. >> devon nunez. >> chairman nunes. >> chairman nunes. >> nunes. >> i'm sure he's a fine guy. >> eric: there you have it. >> juan: here's a mystery. why is the press giving so little attention to the trump white house pending decision to do away with your privacy on the
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internet. president trump is expected to end a plan that will outlaw internet companies from using and selling your data. it's not like anyone thought the internet was private but now every search will be money in somebody else's pockets. it's astonishing to me. >> greg: already happening. >> eric: they are buying the lawmakers information. >> lisa: last friday i had the honor to see and honor airfligh airflight. go to honorflight.org. it is to send veterans to look at war memorials. they have 127 hobbes, 41 states. airlines, members of congress work with them to host these veterans who have done so much for us. really cool. >> juan: was that national airport? >> lisa: it was so cool and i
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got to see it. i've been a part of one and it was a really, really cool experience. >> juan: wonderful to go to the mall and see them. >> eric: set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. >> shannon: the search narrows for those who tipped off the house intelligence committee chairman about obama administration surveillance on president donald trump. this is "special report" ." i am shannon bream in for bret baier. we have new information about who may have been talking to house intelligence chairman devin nunes about the previous administration surveillance that scooped up some of donald trump's associates. john roberts begins our coverage tonight with late-breaking news. >> good evening. the tick-tock of this is becoming clearer tonight, it appears staffers at the national security council came across a number of instances in which the

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