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chris: i'm chris wallace with the trump presidency now past the 100-day milestone, what's ahead for the next 100? >> for the last 100 days, my administration has been delivering every single day with a great citizens of our country. chris: this hour, we will break down what the president has accomplished so far and what's to come. we will start with foreign policy towards north korea, iran and russia. in an exclusive interview with general h.r. mac master, then the democrats push back.
>> creating jobs, f, draining the swamp, f, welfare, f minus. >> the next 100 days will be just like the first. chris: we will discuss taxes, health care and the economy when senate democrat leader chuck schumer, a fox news exclusive. north korea defies the world with another missile test as president trump issues this stark warning. >> there's a chance that we could end up having a major, major conflict with north korea, absolutely. chris: we will ask our sunday panel if there's a way president trump can halt north korea's nuclear program and our power player of the week using high-tech the solve crimes all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. president trump capped his 100th day in office in pennsylvania
touting accomplishments and goals, while the press corps was in correspondence leaders, mr. trump was with thousands of supporters. >> i could not possibly be more thrilled than to be more than 100 miles away from washington swamp. [cheers and applause] >> spending my evening with all of you and with a much, much larger crowd and much better people, right? [cheers and applause] chris ris the president reaches the 100th day milestone as he takes another shot at replacing obamacare, pushes more a major tax overhaul and addresses rising tensions with north korea and that's where we will be begin with president trump's national security adviser general h.r. mcmaster.
>> pleasure to be here with you. chris: we could end up in a major conflict with north korea and hours later, saturday morning, north korea conducts a missile launch. isn't that a deliberate provocation to this president, isn't that open defiance? >> it is open defiance. it's open defiance of the international community. north korea poses a grave threat to the united states, our great allies in the region, south korea and japan in particular but also to china and others and what's important to all of us to confront the regime, the regime that's pursuing the weaponization of a missile with a nuclear -- with a nuclear weapon. and so this is something that we know we cannot tolerate in terms of risk to the american people, the president has made clear that he is going to resolve this issue one way or the other and what we prefer to do is to work with others, china included to resolve the situation short of military action.
chris: both the vice president and the secretary of state have been going around the region in asia announcing that the era of strategic patience is over. now, north korea has responded with not one but two ballistic missile tests, they both failed but still they went ahead with the missile test. doesn't that mean since you say the era of strategic what -- area of page is over, don't you have to do something? >> it may mean ratcheting up sanctions and being prepared for military operations if necessary. chris: i want to go back to something else the president said because in an interview this weekend with john dickerson he said he won't be happy if north korea conducts a nuclear test. do you and the white house distinguish between a nuclear test and a long-range missile
test, do you see one as more threatening? >> they are both threatening because developing a nuclear capability has to be matched to a delivery system. so it is the sixth nuclear test, is what it would be, combined with a ballistic-missile program that poses a great threat to the united states and our citizens as well as our friends and partners in the region. chris: you talk about china and the -- our allies or other regional powers getting involved in this. president trump says he's developed a special relationship with president xi, that he very much hopes and believes that president xi is going to apply greater pressure, rach ratchet up the pressure. having said that, here is what the chinese foreign minister said this week at the united nations, take a look. >> china is not a focal problem in the peninsula and the key to
solving does not lie in the hands of china. chris: he said, north korea is not china's responsibility. >> he might want to talk to his president that during the summit with president trump acknowledged that this is a great threat not just the united states but maybe even more so to china and i think what was most striking about the results of that summit is china's willingness to take ownership of this problem and to recognize that they have to act to help resolve this problem short of a military conflict, and so the president i think has been masterful in terms of his development of a relationship with president xi and the discussions that led them to understand that this is a place where u.s. and chinese interests overlap and at the same time the president has reinvigorated and strengthen our alliances with key nations in the region. chris: do you see china actually doing something? >> yes, we do see china starting to do something. we have seen it in public
statement, you see it in the chinese prez, -- press, you see it with the more enforcement of u.s. sanctions. it is clear, more needs to be done. we are going to ask china to do more as we do more as south korean and japanese allies, but really all nations have to take a look at this regime. it's already isolated itself but to further isolate it financially and then also diplomatically to make clear that none of us can accept a north korea with a nuclear weapon. and by the way, north korea said they're not developing the nuclear weapon just for defensive reasons, they've said they want to use it to blackmail other nations and they've declare that had the intent to sell nuclear weapons openly and proliferate nuclear webs. chris: i want to talk about the military option because you said that's on the table. i have been to the region. i'm sure you have been to the region too. you go to demilitarized zone,
25,000 u.s. troops, if we were to launch a preemptive strike against their nuclear program, their missile program, we are talking about a human catastrophe, aren't we? >> this is what the president said this is something we don't want to have to do. what this president has done is now connected military actions with what we are trying to do politically. for too long those things were disconnected from each other. so you need the viable option, the military option to help make what you're doing economically, diplomatically, with sanctions available to be able to resolve the problem short of what would be as the president said a major, major war and a humanitarian catastrophe? chris: precisely to that point, can you envision a situation where north korea becomes such a threat that we are willing to take that risk of a short-range missiles heading to seoul and
metropolis of millions of people? >> i don't think anyone thinks that it would acceptable to have this kind of a regime with nuclear weapons that can target, that can range the united states. chris: president trump changing just a little bit but same region said this week that south korea should pay for the missile defense system that we have installed there, the thaad system, $1 billion, there's a report today that you called your south korean counterpart and said, no, the old agreement was that we, the united states, pay that billion dollars and we are going to stick by that, is that true? >> well, the last thing i would ever do is contradict the president of the united states, but -- and that's not what it was. in fact, what i told our south korean counterpart until any renegotiation, the deal is in place. what the president has asked us to do is to look across all of
our alliances and to have appropriate burden sharing, responsibility sharing, we are looking at that with our great ally south korea and we are looking at with nato and what you have seen because of the president's leadership they are contributing. chris: so the question of who pays for a billion dollars is still up in the air? >> will be renegotiating as it's going to be with all of our allies. what the president has said is he would prioritize american citizens' security and interests and but to do that we need strong alliances but also to do that effectively and in a way that's sustainable economyically we need everybody to pay their fair share. chris: i want to talk about other troubled spots around the world. the state department has certified that iran is complying with the nuclear deal, the terms of the specific deal but it was made clear that the united states is going to be much tougher when it comes to other iranian actions, for instance, the support of terrorism, but
with the west, our allies dropping most of their sanction and now doing business eagerly with iran aren't we the ones that are marginalized? do we really have leverage to enforce our well, to back up our threats? >> i think we certainly do. i think all we have to do is pull the curtain back on iranian behavior. this is a regime that is really applying what you might call a hezbollah model to the greater middle east in which they have weak governments that they want to have dependent on iran for support while they grow malicious -- chris: i don't doubt that they are bad actors. my question is can they enforce sanctions when our allies aren't interested in doing that? >> our allies are interesting in doing that. what has happened in the last eight years, u.s. policy has
empowered iran across the greater middle east and beyond. now we are seeing the effect of that with the humanitarian political catastrophe in the greater middle east that iran has helped to foment, what's critical now is shift and what you're seeing because of the president's leadership, very strong relationships across the arab world, for example, i think that there's going to be a tremendous opportunity to confront iran's destructive behavior in the region and beyond the region. chris: two more quick questions for you. president trump came into office talking about hoping to improve relations with russia, but over the first 100 days, and i want to put on the screen, russia has violated the inf missile treaty, they've defended syrian president assad against our claims of use of chemical weapons and now they are arming the taliban in afghanistan, often times against us. in these 100 days, general, have relations with the kremlin gotten better or worse? >> well, i don't think they've
got either better or worse, the russian behaviors we have seen, annexation of crimea, the invasion of ukraine, the support for this murderist regime in syria and now arming the taliban, these are all things clearly that's cut against returnian interest specially in connection with relationship with accede and syria and to arm the taliban, none of these groups, the taliban groups they overlap with others. they overlap with the islamic group and other terrorist groups that pose a great threat to russia. here you have a russian president acting against russian's people interest and doing it, i think, just reflex and is there room in key areas where they overlap. chris: you don't see that now. >> you don't see that now. that's what we look for changes in behavior, changes in words
and the nature of the relationship, but what we really need to see the change in behavior. chris: final yes, 100 days in, is there a trump doctrine in foreign policy that's taking shape? we have clearly seen that the president is more willing to use force than barack obama was both in the missile strike in syria, we have it up on the screen, also the huge moab's in afghanistan. >> his strategy is to advocate for the security and the interest of the american people every day and ensure that we are doing all we can to advance our security and the interest of the american people. you see that with the acceleration of the campaign against isis in syria, in iran, also you see that with a very effective operations against afghanistan as well. you see that with the combining
military force when necessary with diplomatic and economic actions. not regarding military force as separate as what we want to achieve politically, and so i would say it's competing, recognizing that we are in competitions, american vital interests are at stake and advocating for our interests. he also has responsibility down to where it belongs. the white house is is no longer deploying three helicopters somewhere or have a strict cap on forces so you deploy helicopters but don't send mechanics with them, for example, when you contract guards, he's doing things that have made our policy execution much more sensible. chris: let the commanders in the field determine what they need? >> yes, with civilian oversight, with policy direction and with the president ensuring that we are combining what we are doing militarily to what we want to achieve politically in our diplomatic and economic efforts
all interconnected. chris: general mcmaster, thank you for your time. i would love -- you're a straight talker. >> thank you, chris, pleasure to be with you. chris: we will be tracking what happens in the north korean peninsula. thank you. >> thank you. chris: senate top democrat chuck schumer gives his assessment of the president's first 100 days and claims of democratic obstrun with this level of engineering... it's a performance machine. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury...
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president trump's climate policies on his 100th day in office. the president says he's willing to work with democrats on health care and other issues, but the top democrat in the senate president trump must change his approach if he wants help from the other side of the aisle. democratic chuck schumer, senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good to be back, chris. chris: you have been in quite the war of words the last few days. here is what the president had to say about you last night in harrisburg. >> schumer is weak on crime and wants to raise your taxes through roof. he is a poor leader, known him a long time, and he's leading the democrats to doom. chris: weak on crime, raising taxes, leading the democrats to doom.
your response. >> well, look, the president name calling doesn't work, let's look at values and let's look at issues. i'd say the president first 100 days have hardly been a success. he has broken promises to the working-people of america, unfilled others. you know, chris, when he campaigned he campaigned as populist but he's governing like a -- someone from the hard right, wealthy special interest. let me go over a few areas. on trade he promised to be tough, backed off on china, backed off on méxico, on buy america, again, we have a good strong bill, they've backed off of that. a lot of the steel now and infrastructure and water is going to be made overseas. on health care, he said he would cover more people at less cost, his bill does the opposite and maybe the worst is draining the swamp. his last days he said, wall street won't be in washington.
well, they were in cabinet, billionaires, and there's such closeness, i think one of the worst things he did on the swamp is they're allowing lobbyists to work in the administration on issues they lobbied on and they get waivers that are secret, so there's been promise after promise that's been either unfulfilled or broken on infrastructure, we sent them a trillion dollar plan, we haven't heard a peep out of them. we are willing to work on issues like this. the bottom line is very simple, the president, if he works with us, particularly on issues like trade and infrastructure, we can work, but on the issues so far, taxes and health care, he doesn't consult us at all, he puts together a plan that's very hard right, special interests, wealth oriented and says your way to be bipartisan is to support his plan, that's not how america works. chris: but senator, the trump white house says a lot of what you say and this is not new, you've been saying this for a
while now, you gave him an f, they say a lot of your criticismism is just not true. on creating jobs for the middle class, they note that he has sign executive orders to cut regulations and red tape, pull out of trade deals that he says hurt america and to build the key scone and dakota access pipeline, on draining the swamp, imposed a 5-year lobbying ban on administration officials and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign countries. you say he has broken promises, senator, there was a poll out this week and 96% of trump voters in the polls said they would vote for him all over again, only 2% said they would not. >> yeah, well, look, i think it's going to take a while for people to see this, but he's popularity ratings, if you want to measure them overall not just his supporters but with independent and democrats are way down, the lowest of any president and the point being here is that on so many of the
major issues they've gone at it alone. had they passed a few executive orders, yeah, they have, most of them are studies to the future. the few that were serious got knocked down by the courts. mainly for coal companies, for companies that want to take advantage of workers' rights. they have broken their promises to the working people of america. and americans are seeing that, that's why his popularity ratings are as lower than any, any president in history. chris: but senator, president trump says one of the problems is the constant obstruction by you and your party, you know, back when republicans were in the minority, you liked to call them the party of no, today aren't you? >> well, let's take his biggest attempt so far, health care. that wasn't the democrats, he tries to blame the democrats, but he didn't need a single democratic vote to pass it in the house. he couldn't do it, he couldn't do it twice. he ought to realize that they
ought to back off repealing obamacare, we have said over and over again, if he backs off repeal, whether he sit down and work with him to improve obamacare. let's look at his next major issue. the tax bill. it seems to be a tax bill that's totally aimed at the wealthy interests, estate tax, get rid of it. you hoe how many people pay the estate tax only each year, 5200 of the various wealthiest american who is have over $10 million. chris: senator, i'm going -- >> the pass-throughs on this tax bill will allow hedge fund leaders, top wall street lawyers, ceo's of major corporations to pay 15% while their workers pay 20, 25, 30%. he's not governing from the middle, he's governing from the hard right. that's why his regime has -- has hardly any major successes with the exception of gorsuch. if he changes we could work together. he can't just dictate what he wants and not talk to us and say
you must support it. chris: wait, wait. you say -- we've got this. now let's talk about neil gorsuch because that's probably the biggest legislative issue that has come up in these first 100 days. the nomination of neil gorsuch to the supreme court, the american bar association and some top democratic legal scholars said that he was clearly, yes, conservative, clearly in the judicial mainstream and a distinguished judge. presidentobama's nominees sonia sotomayor and kagan were nominated. that doesn't sound like cooperation. >> so did judge aledo.
ideologically they are so far, he's so far to the right, and i think the american people will see that as we see his -- chris: senator -- >> let me just -- chris, you to let me answer this. chris: ruth bader ginsburg and sotomayor to the left. isn't that what an election is for? >> well, both "the new york times" and washington post hired independent experts to rate where gorsuch would be, the times said he would be to the right of every judge of thomas, the most conservative judge we've had in history and the post analysis said he would be to the right of that. so this is not a mainstream judge. he comes off as mainstream, chris. [inaudible] >> let me finish my comment, chris. chris: wait a minute. you're talking about "the new york times" and washington -- >> chris.
chris: they said he was in the judicial mainstream, sir? >> they judge by legal, no one doubts gorsuch's legal but judicial rulings and earlier comments shows he's far, far to the right siding with special interests, corporatist interest, the only recourse they have is the court, gorsuch repeatedly on issue after issue has been far to the right. in one case he went after what thomas and aledo said on education of special kids. appearance is not what matters. it's how he'll rule that matters. chris: you talked about taxes, president trump unveiled his tax -- not the whole plan, outline of a tax reform plan, principals this week, here is how treasury secretary mnuchin explained it. >> what this is about is creating jobs and creating
economic growth and that's what massive tax cuts and massive tax reform and simplifying the system is what we are going to do. chris: senator the government just announce that had in the first quarter of this year the economy gdp grew by 7 tenths of 1%, the slowest rate in over 3 years. doesn't this economy need some more growth? >> yeah, it needs growth but does not need to give the wealthiest people in america a huge tax break. mnuchin said himself a few months ago, the mnuchin rule, that the very wealthy would be taxed neutral, the loopholes they close on them and things they take away would be the same they gave. this tax plan is not like that at all. in addition, it adds anywhere from 3 to $7 trillion to the deficit, many of our republican friends who railed against the deficit when president obama wanted to help middle-class people, the poor people, they are saying this this is okay. i think it's going to cause huge
problems for america. you aim tax breaks at the middle class, we are fine with it. if you aim them at the very wealthiest who are doing very well so far, god bless them, that's not going to work. it's not going -- it's not what america needs. chris: but senator, here is what you failed to mention in your critique of the tax plan, the president's plan would also double the standard deductions. you can see it up on the screen from 12,000 to 25,000 for married couple, 70% of americans plea low to moderate income easterners take the standard deduction and they would benefit from that doubling
of the standard deduction. this would be a tax break for them. >> well, but he also takes away things like the mortgage interest deduction, the local -- chris: no, no, sir, that's not true. he does not take -- he does not take away the mortgage interest deduction. >> you cannot do it if you use without the standard deduction. he takes the state and local as
well and middle-class people get far less of a benefit, many of them will hurt, one estimate said that millions
would pay more and the rich do extremely well. they seem to get 90, 95% of this tax plan. that is not how donald trump campaigned. it's another broken promise. that's not what the american people want. that is not what the american people need. when you rush through a plan like he did and put it on one page, it's not going to be very good and this shows it. chris: senator schumer, thank you. i just want to say i do not believe that you are leading the democratic party to dooms, sir. >> thank you very much, chris. [laughter] chris: i will give you that. [laughter] chris: up next, we will bring sunday group to grade the president's first 100 days and look at his agenda going forward. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about mr. trump's new tax plan? go the facebook or twitter on fox news sunday and we may use your question on air naging bloos not a marathon.
record. michael and fox news political analyst author of we the people, juan williams, former democratic congressman dona edwards and rich lowery, editor of the national rebuke. you were pretty concerned ahead of time donald trump for all the treatrics, he's been a pretty conventional republican conservative? >> i think that's exactly right. if you're living on another planet, and i think juan thinks he's living on another planet for the last 100 days, you're hearing about substantive things that have happened, you would think this is a fairly conventional republican administration doing fairly conventional republican things.
chris: does that make you happy? >> happier than i expected. it's not the greatest 100 days ever as president trump likes to portray it. judge gorsuch is a home run. he's begun the deregulatory rollback, the big incomplete, chris, is on capitol hill where he could still get health care reform and tax reform but could get shout-out on both. chris: congresswoman edwards, how do you see the 100 days? >> he hasn't had a significant legislative achievement, health care has gone down twice and it's still a disaster and, you know, this tax plan is not really a tax plan, it's a set of tax bullets, i think, there's a d minus going on in this administration so far.
chris: that's better than chuck schumer who gave him a straight f. >> well, you get a plus for signing your name. chris: there you go. the big news as the congresswoman mentioned was that the white house came out, not with really a plan but outline bullet points of the president's tax plan, tax reform plan. here is what candidate trump and treasury secretary mnuchin had to say about the plan before they took office. >> barack obama has -- has doubled during his fairly short period of years, he's doubled our national debt. doubled it. it's going to be close to $20 trillion when he leaves, $20 trillion, so we have to get rid of at least a good portion of that. >> the upper class, we are going to simplify it, we are not going to have tax cut for the upper class. chris: michael, even with this just bare bones outline, isn't it pretty clear that this plan will add trillions of dollars to the national debt contrary to
what president trump said and would mean substantial tax break for the upper-income people? >> we don't tax enough. the tax rates, percentage of the economy is well above the historic norm and the only way we are going to get out of the debt problems is first we need to do entitlement reform. chris: the president is not doing yet. >> direction of maybe doing so and we need to grow the economy. he's come out with this big tax reform plan and two, he's put out with a great plan and real action to roll back to regulate oirs. chris: wouldn't you agree that this plan would add trillions to the national debt? >> there's trillions added to the national debt because we are spending way too much. chris: you're not answering my question. i'm not saying -- you could argue that he needs spending cuts as well, would you agree that this cut with all the cuts in revenue will add trillions to the debt? >> it would move revenues to where they are today approaching
20% gdp, 18.5%, i love the conversation you had with chuck schumer about tax cuts for the wealthy and will this do, i thought you made a great point about the standard deduction, but chuck schumer from new york state mentioned state and local tax reduction. 88% of the benefits from the state and local tax deduction goes to people who make over $100,000. it is a substance sidney from all -- subsidy that overwhelming 88% goes to people making over $800,000. chuck schumer should join president trump and get rid of ridiculous tax deductions for citizens in new york and new jersey. chris: fair enough. we asked you for questions on the panel, we got a bunch on president's tax cuts and there was a lot of concern about adding to the national debt. what will it do to the deficit?
here is chuck's tweet, the match the reduced revenue, juan, how do you answer them and what do you make of the white house contention that between economic growth and the reduction of some of the loopholes closing the loopholes in deductions, that this tax cut will pay for itself. >> it's an conjecture. when you ask people on the conservative side, tax foundation people, say this will add 4 to $6 trillion over the course of its life, ten years, let's say to the budget debt. so i mean, to me, you know, i listen and -- i want to be sensitive to the idea because i think most americans would like to pay less tax and think that we should simplify a very complex tax code but what's striking here in washington is that the people who are the loud screeching hawks are now crickets, silence, nothing to say, what is going on here? you look at the idea of doing away with the estate state, alternative minimum tax, this is
written by goldman sachs for goldman sachs in the white house by mr. trump who said i'm going to drain the swamp, i'm going to really look out for blue-collar workers in states that elected me, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, those folks are getting hosed by this deal and somehow republicans who previously would have specially under obama, oh, spending out of control, silent. chris: well, we don't like silence. michael, i have to ask you about another subject before we end the segment. i want to ask you about the heritage foundation that you're associated with. there's a lot of stories out that the head of the heritage foundation is going to be out and that steve bannon may tbk new head, that this is going to be his safety net as he is forced out of the white house, what can you tell us? >> that there's a lot of speculation and rumor in the media that never misses a chance to divide and attack conservatives. he's a patriot, courageous career in washington in the country and conservative
movement and are far better because of that and heritage foundation is promoting conservative policies and that's not going to change. chris: but is he out, the story that the board wants him out? >> i don't know, there's a lot of speculation rumor and i won't add to speculation and rumor. chris: and steve bannon? >> there's a lot of speculation and rumor. >> leave the man alone. [laughter] chris: we live in speculation. all right, pal, we have to take a break here. that was a definite maybe. when we come back, another missile failed test by north korea as the trump's mention seek to strategy for dealing with that regime
>> all options are on the table. we want to bring kim jong un to his census, not to his knees. chris: admiral harris, top u.s. commander in the pacific emphasizing that the trump administration is not looking for a military confrontation with north korea and we are back with the panel. rich, clearly the policy of these three presidents, clinton, bush 43 and obama hasn't worked in stopping north korea's nuclear weapon's program. do you understand what you think that the trump strategy is and the ways that it's different from theirs and do you have any confidence it's going to work? >> i think i do which is to engage in cyber rattling and get the attention primarily of the chinese and get them to pressure the north korea regime more. i think critics approached have a dose of modesty, the bush era negotiations didn't work, the obama policy more or less ignoring the north didn't work
so makes sense to try to catalyze something different. the options are so limited specially military options, it wouldn't shock me that the policy ends up running in fairly familiar rut and would try to cut as much cash for the regime, maybe some internal covert action and much missile defense in the region as possible. chris: congresswoman, if kim jong un is as determined as he seems to be and there's some thought that this isn't blackmail, that he thinks the best survival for this administration, the chance of survival is to develop a nuclear weapon, that that'll prevent an invasion or an attack. are we headed for a military confrontation because you heard at the top of the show, h.r. mcmaster, national security adviser say we cannot allow that to happen, icbm with war head on the tip? >> no, i don't think we used the leverage that we can with china
and each of the presidents has had oh on trade and unwillingness to use our leverage with china as trade to get the way to get the chinese more engage in trying to hold down north korea. chris: he really has made offensive. he had the meeting at mar-a-lago with president xi, he keeps talking about, isn't he work the chinese about as hard as he can? >> no, i don't think so, him having conversations confused about whether or not we are going to foot the hill for the thermal defense system -- thaad missile defense system is complicated things because it makes it appear that we are not, you know, standing with the south -- with south korea as we should and so i think it was good for general mcmaster to kind of get that off the table, if you will, until the next time but our leverage with china is on trade. our ledge is not just trying to ask the chinese to do -- to do
what they need to do on that border with korea. chris: i want to switch subjects. more trouble this week, still more trouble for former retired general michael flynn briefly the president national's security adviser as a former military intelligence officer, he took over half a million dollars to do work for the government of turkey. he took more than $33,000 to make a speech in moscow for russian television and here this week was the top democrat in the house oversight committee. >> this matter explicitly warned general flynn as he entered retirement that the constitution prohibited him from accepting any foreign government payments without advanced permission. chris: michael, there's reportedly no evidence that michael flynn got that permission before taking big consulting job for turkey.
>> no evidence that he got the permission, no evidence that he disclosed it, it deny disclosed it appears. every day that goes by it's further justification of donald trump's decision to get him out of there and get him out of there early. michael flynn is going to be a distraction going forward. there's no doubt, he would be keep popping up. the question now is there's national security team, general mcmaster, mattis, nikki haley and team that's navigating some of the crises and michael flynn is going to be in the news. chris: juan, let me pick up because in an interview on friday president trump blameed flynn on his predecessor. >> he was approved by the obama administration at the highest level and when they say we didn't vet, well, obama, i guess, didn't vet because he was
approved at the highest level of security by the obama administration. chris: so is michael flynn, are his problems barack obama's fault? >> wow, talk about spin. it's unbelievable. the fact is he had been in the intelligence agencies, he saw renewal in 2016 and when he did he did not discloses any contacts that, you know, or seek permission for taking payments from russia or turkey or anybody else. so what you have here is a situation where michael flynn even subsequent to the renewal then engaged in contact and we know sally yates and the acting attorney general went to the trump administration and said, this guy is lying about his contacts with the russians and we know that he also hid information from vice president pence and donald trump, the president sat on that
information for three weeks before firing him. chris: but the president says he was vetted by barack obama. >> he was vetted again in '16 when he sought that renewal but at that point he had not committed the acts that we are discussing now. >> let's be clear, president obama fired him and then and then he went into the trump camp. this can't be placed tat foot of president obama at all. >> trump showed bad judgment making security adviser. but the scandal has more to do with flynn than with the trump administration or the so-called russian scandal. >> well, i don't think we know that yet and this is the reason that we immediate a strong independent investigation because i don't think we know that at all. we know what we know about flynn but we don't know all of the details and i think it's time for an independent investigation to follow that. chris: michael 30 seconds why an independent investigation is not a good idea. >> i think there's plenty of investigations going on right
now. there's generally been good cooperation between the republicans and democrats on those. there's a little -- chris: in the senate there seems to be an investigation. >> i think the best thing that we can do is there's a lot of kind of things going back and forth, let's let investigations play out and let's talk about them when it's all over. chris: thank you panel, see you next sunday. up next our power player of the week, a crime-fighting tool linking guns an bullets to solve crimes. this is pretty cool. first, president trump as you know, didn't attend last night's correspondence dinner but that didn't stop the headliner hasan minaj from roasting the president and the administration. >> i guess what donald trump didn't want to be roasted tonight, by the look of him he's been roasted for 30 years. membe.
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impression an the next one will leave a different impression. chris: in effect, fingerprints? >> yes. chris: head of the firearms operation and is talking about a national ballistic database that helps connect guns to crime scenes. some of the best after the shooting are the bullet cases which have been ejected from guns. police take two d and 3d images of the cartridges. at the atf national laboratory in washington, they check the new casings against the 3 million they already have from other crime scenes. looking for matches left by the firing pin, stress marks and the guns cartridge ejected. >> what you'll do and match them up and turn them so it's almost like looking at them inside out so you can see the depth and the similarities.
chris: how can you tell this shot one cartridge in chicago and this one in denver? >> for us to link suspect from one shooting, we now have a potential suspect because those two incidents are related by the same gun. >> loaded to the magazine well. we are ready to fire two rounds. chris: when guns are found at crime scenes they can be fired into a tank of water. you can see the bullet case that's ejected from a gun. the markings from the cartridge can then be checked in the database to see if that gun has been used in other crimes and if a criminal has filed off a gun serial number, well, that's no problem for atf to recover. all of this raises a sensitive question. you enter the evidence from crime scenes, do you take this kind of fingerprint of a gun at
the point of manufacturer? >> no, absolutely not. we do not have any sort of a manufacturer point on the front end because we are prohibited from having any sort of a gun registry and this allows us to keep it so only crime guns are entered into the system. chris: atf has set up a mobile forensic lab to take ballistic database into the field. how effective is niban as a crime fighting tool? >> we are trying to identify that very small population of shooters who are actually pulling the trigger and causing our communities' considerable harm. chris: not surprisingly the city of chicago is the number one user of the niban system adding 1,000 casings to the system each month. now this program, be sure to watch fox news channel tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for the premier of the fox news specialists cohost eric sits down with president trump for the first show. and that's it for today, have a