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oil was up today, which took energy stocks up. depending where you are, fairly flat. neil cavuto understand these things better than us. "your world" with neil cavuto is next on america's choice for news and information on cable. this is fox news channel. >> he wanted to stay on as the fbi head. i said, you know, we'll consider. we'll see what happens. we had a nice dinner. at that time he told me you're not under investigation, which i knew anyway. >> that was one meeting. >> when you're under investigation, you give documents and everything. i knew i wasn't under. and i heard it was stated at some committee level that i wasn't. >> neil: all right. that was the president after being interviewed by lester holt on nbc news. that is creating reverberations what the president knew and what kind of blessings he got from the outgoing fbi director, now fired fbi director, james comey.
did the man that runs the judiciary committee of the united states senate just confirm just support what the president said? senator grassley is coming up. first, kevin corke at the white house from the fallout from anything comey. sir? >> plenty of it, my friend. first of all, let's be clear about this. critics, neil, will try to pounce on semitic inconsistencies from the white house. they may play a game of got-you as far as the timing is concerns about the loose pronouncements coming from the staff here at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. one thing is clear. the president made his decision to fire the fbi director long before he ultimately pulled the trigger. the tipping point, the memo by the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. here's what the president had to say about that. he was asked by nbc's lester holt if he thought he was under investigation. take a listen. >> did you call him? >> in one case i called him and
one case he called me. >> i said if it's possible, would you let me know am i under investigation? he said you're not under investigation. >> he's given sworn testimony that there's an investigation into the trump campaign and possible collusion with the russian government. you were the center centerpiece of the trump campaign. >> i know that i'm not under investigation, me, personally. i'm not talking about campaigns or anything else. i'm not under investigation. >> there you have it. "i'm not under investigation." i got it directly from the fbi director james comey. one of the interesting take-aways by andrew mccabe is the contradiction of what we just heard the president talked about. mccabe was asked whether or not he thought that was a possibility. is this standard operating procedure for the fbi to inform a possible subject of an
investigation involving him? he said no, that's not standard practice. you may recall the president said in that famous letter firing comey that the outgoing director had informed him that no, he was not the subject of a probe. mccabe said it wasn't practice but had no reason to believe the conversation did or didn't take place. the only people that know who told the president anything is james comey and the president. we don't know exactly who they're considering as far as investigations. we heard names. they're making progress on that. we don't know how soon they will have a name to float. neil? >> thanks very much. with us is chuck grassley on what the president said, when he said it. very good to have you. thanks for taking the time.
>> thank you. >> neil: there's not much you can tell me about private meetings with the former fbi director. you did come very close to verifying what the president just told lester holt of nbc news when you talked about mr. comey briefing you and senator feinstein on the targets of investigations. you said it wouldn't be appropriate to reveal the details before the investigators are ready. you went on to say that tuesday the president's letter said to director comey told him he was not under investigation. senator feinstein and i heard nothing that contradicted the president's statements. so sounds like you're saying i don't want to put words in your mouth, senator, the president was telling the truth. >> i can only stand by what i said. i was very careful how i said it. because i didn't want to violate anything that goes on in those
secured briefings. i can say i didn't hear anything that indicated or contradicted what the president said. now, a lot of people are getting to was it appropriate for the president to ask those questions. i think the question ought to be who -- it isn't who asked the question. is it appropriate for the president that answered the question to answer the question to the president. of course, that would have been comey. i'll leave it up to comey whether or not that was permissible for him to ask the question. i can ask the fbi, am i being investigated. it would be up to say to them i was being investigated or not. >> neil: so you seem to be casting doubts whether it's appropriate for director comey to telling the president. >> i'll leave it up to mr. comey whether or not he violated anything by telling the president that.
i can't make that judgment. >> neil: understand that, senator. it would have happened within three times. now the reason why this is getting to be an issue as you already outlined, is that there's confusion about who relayed what and when. i didn't know about the dinner that the fbi director had with the president and obviously that issue came up. do you think an issue, regardless of who is asking that, that that kind of thing should come up at a dinner? >> i one time asked an fbi director. i don't want to say which one it was. i said could i see what is in my file. the fbi director said, i don't even know what is in my file. so i think it's a pretty closely
watched situation that nobody gets into those things unless there's a very good reason for doing it. >> neil: senator, you pointed out now mr. coney is no longter fbi director. the fib should still follow my advice. should confirm to the public whether it is or is not investigating the president. because they have failed to make this clear. speculation has run rampant. >> i pre face that in my remarks by saying normally for the average american person, it shouldn't be made public. i think when you're talking about high level public officials that -- there ought to be a reason for letting the public know whether somebody is being investigated. i don't want to say whether it's the president or vice president, members of congress, senate.
but there's some point where public's business ought to be more public if you're going to have accountability in government. >> neil: this comes at a time when you're north carolina republican colleague, senator burr and the house have said, maybe now is the time to create an independent russia commission. what do you think? >> i think the reason we got into this way back in january is because we want transparency, we want to get to the bottom of whether or not russia, what role they played in the election. there's no evidence whatsoever now that they changed one vote. but that suspicion is out there. if you're going to have people be less cynical about the institution of the government, we ought to got to the bottom of it. we're in the process of doing that. a special counsel has been
suggested. a special counsel never releases any information unless there's an indictment. it's going to take awhile to crank up a special commission. and they obviously would give a report. but that's delaying things. we have four committees of congress working on it. we don't need any lost time. we ought to proceed where we are and get to the bottom of it. >> others have said they are troubled by his dismissal. going back to this idea of an independent commission. others have recommended a special prosecutor. they argue that left in the hands of committees that are dominated by republicans, you'll never got to the bottom of it. what do you say? >> there's great cooperation evidenced by burr and senator
warner of virginia. very bipartisan. you're seeing whitehouse of rhode island and graham of south carolina working very closely in my subcommittee. i don't know about the house of representatives, but those two environments in the house, great deal of bipartisanship. i don't think that's legitimate. >> neil: good to hear. acting fbi director mccabe when in the hot seat today, senator, said there's no widespread loss of confidence of the fbi, directly contradicting president trump said in light of what's going on with comey and how he handled the e-mail mess. what do you think of that? >> i think that that's a judgment people make. i think there's a great deal of rallying among troops, whether they're marines or fbi agents
behind the organization. >> senator, is it your sense whoever the president wants to replace james comey, they shouldn't have been actively involved in his campaign ruling out chris christie, julie guliani, people like that. you believe that? >> i believe with all of the problems that we have getting a new administration going for reasons beyond just comey and that vacancy, there ought to be every safety taken to make sure we don't become more controversial. >> senator, i would ask you, if you don't have other things to do tonight, you have a big economic agenda, an effort to repeal, replace the affordable care act, obamacare, move on tax cuts. are you worried this will get delayed? >> no. because we have a division of
government between executive, legislative and judicial and congress has their own role. we're not being affected by it if we have a determination to move forward. >> neil: all right. as chairman of the committee, i want to be clear, is it your view of the vantage point here, that any push for an independent prosecutor or independent commission is unwarranted right now? even with what you heard from mr. mccabe today. >> that's my personal view. i thought you were quoting burr to have a special commission and not mccabe. >> no, no, i was. that was from burr before. the initial things and the conflicts and the contradictions that you heard from mccabe on other matters. >> i would be expressing a lack of confidence in what i respect about warner and burr. they're doing on the
intelligence committee and white house and graham are doing on the subcommittee of my full committee. >> neil: i want one last question to response to democrats who keep using the term nixonian of massacre, referring to the time when nixon get rid of cox, the watergate prosecutor. what do you think of that? they constantly bring that up and use that as what's going on here today. >> other day -- i want to give a longer answer. i said they ought to suck up and move on. let me give a further explanation. you have to remember that a key person in this decision because the president asked him for their advice was the memo by rosenstein. he was approved by the united states senate 94 to 6. he's served under republican and democrat presidents. he has wide respect. the president appointed him.
if you're a member -- a democratic member of the senate and talking about nixonian, you're saying that you're losing confidence in one of the people you voted for that president obama had great respect for and kept in his administration. does and add up to me. >> neil: do you buy what "the washington post" is reporting that rosenstein was upset for being fingered for the chain of events and pushing comey out? >> i think -- it's my understanding that since then, that's been discredited. that's all i can respond to. >> neil: you don't believe that story? >> no. i believe -- i think rosenstein is a principle man. that he wouldn't make a big deal out of it. he would just go. >> neil: all right. senator grassly, great catching up with you. >> thank you. >> neil: democrats are in a conundrum on this thing. for months they had been saying,
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>> the vice president in the dark, too? >> nobody was in the dark, jonathan. you want to create this false narrative. if you want to talk about contradicting statements and people that were maybe in the dark, how about the democrats? let's read a few of them. here's what democrats said about comey. harry reid said that comey should resign and be investigated by the senate. chuck schumer said i don't have confidence in him. maxine water said that hillary clinton would have fired comey. you want to talk about people in the dark? our story is consistent. the president is the only person that can fire the director of the fbi. the president that made the right decide. the people in the dark are the
democrats. >> neil: are democrats and those now expressing shock and great regret over the firing of james comey hypocrites? we have jason riley with the editorial board. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you make of this and what some are calling it rage on the part of democrats that are all aghast at the firing of a guy they didn't seem to flip over a little more than a couple days ago? >> that's true, neil. if you want to throw past statements about comey back in someone's face, both sides can play that game. >> neil: absolutely. >> you have to feel for the white house spokesmen. they're clearly in damage control. did this administration learn nothing from the disastrous travel ban roll-out? you have to get your stories straight. you have to get your ducks in a row. everybody has to be on the same page. another example of them bumming it. >> neil: the democrats are saying the time to have fired him was at the beginning of your administration, mr. president.
the other said the russian investigation along and its progress was reason enough not to do anything right now. so the administration was damned if it didn't, damned if it didn't. what did you make of that? >> my take is firing comb my is completely justifiable. he clearly had compromised the integrity of the organization that he led but the timing stinks, neil. it's a gift to democrats that want to pair this ordinary ty that it's done to interfere with the probe. with the probe of russia. a probe, that by the way, is quite popular with the american public. the president has tweeted negatively about this probe. but the reality is that more than two out of three americans want to get to the bottom of this and support the program. we heard senator grassley say four congressional committees are doing this. >> neil: one thing that grassley intimated in the chat, talking
in between the lines, there's nothing that he had heard in his own private briefings with comey with dianne feinstein that would contradict what the president had told lester hold that comey had inform him, he the president was not a part of the russian investigation. that conversation itself raises eyebrows, doesn't it? >> absolutely. but i think the senator got it right. he said you can ask whatever you want. the fbi, it's incumbent on them to not answer. >> neil: so you think the focus should be on comey why he's revealing whats going on? >> certainly. certainly something to be looked into here. >> neil: what would you say? what would you -- inappropriate, maybe illegal role that comey applied in sharing this? >> he's made a habit of discussing publicly what he shouldn't be discussing publicly.
for protocol reasons, if for no other reasons. we can only hope the next person going forward doesn't continue down this road. certainly i think his behavior is part of the justification for why he had to go. the leaking here, neil. it's only the mid afternoon. we don't know how many turns the story will have before it gets dark tonight. it's just amazing. one story in the "new york post" said that they had 30 white house sources for their story. 30. i mean, neil, there's liking here -- >> neil: we're going to get into that. 30 unnamed sources and how that happened. jason riley, thanks. >> thank you. >> neil: why does the media rely on that after this. ♪
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>> neil: this video in florida yesterday. the secretary being shouted down by those in the audience here simply for showing up. most of these sort of nonpolitical affairs. follows on the heels of how others treated for conservative banter. in her case, just a trump administration official at schools of higher learning. whether it's berkeley, columbia. democratic strategists christy seltzer with us. rasmussen reports. shelby holiday here with us also. amy, begins with you on the way the students reacted. so much so, the provost of the school had to remind them, take a chill bill here. what did you think of it? >> it wasn't so much the partisanship that bothered me. it was the rudeness. the lack of manners, the
disrespect and ultimately the lack of curiosity. do you think at age 22, you don't need to learn anything new? impart their wisdom and advice and encouragement for you in your life. when you graduate from college, you think you can pull that behavior with you future employer? i think not. >> neil: when you look at this yourself, christy and there does seem to be a particularly strain of intolerance on the left these days. as a liberal, is it worrying you? >> no. it doesn't worry me. what worries me is the opposite. there was a serious lack of respect from betsy devos coming from the students of the college. she came to their college, which is an hbcu, historically black college and university without any understanding of the school.
she made her remarks in which she called them to be praised for their choice, not understanding that hbcus were started because of segregation. so they were right fully appalled -- >> neil: the school invited her. >> and the students were a pauled that the school did that. >> neil: so the safer choice would have been a liberal choice? >> i think that i understand where they're coming from. i don't think they had very much to learn from her on that particular day. >> you think it's appropriate to invite someone to your house and boo them, heckle them? >> some members of the family invited them, not the others. what worries me about this, i've seen it in berkeley, in harvard and what have you. these are -- i know when you're young, you're liberal, you have these views.
but to be intolerant to another viewpoint or -- let them speak. you don't have to endorse everything they say. that happens all the time. but we don't walk out on each other. we don't shout down the other person. >> exercising freedom of speech is fine. intoll intoll intoll intollerance won't help this country come together. >> neil: what do you mean by that? >> we're extremely polarized. i was at a town hall in new jersey last night. some of these guys and women and men deserve credit for going to places where they know they're not popular. he went into a deeply democratic district to answer questions on hetd care. he took five hours to talk to voters and answer every
question. there were boos, exchanges. voters left -- >> neil: i hear what you're saying. amy, i saw when the provost or the dean or whoever it was reprimanded the kids to cool it and they didn't. maybe they were finally -- the back story, the students had telegraphed that they didn't not want her speaking there to christy's point. they invited her anyway. that's a slippery slope. you have to make sure whoever is invited to speak at your graduation is politically acceptable to all. by that definition -- >> impossible. >> neil: anybody slightly conservative would be out. >> and graduation is supposed to be a celebration of the students moving forward in the world which wouldn't affect your point of view. they're dealing with people with politics across the spectrum. some in agreement, some in opposition. this is teaching students that
you don't actually have to have a constructive dialogue with someone that disagrees with you. you can heckle, boo, be rude. that's not how life work and a republicansy and a republic should work. >> i think she's right. americans should listen. >> i agree with the idea of going to places where you're going to hear points of view that you might personally disagree with. the one piece that we're missing here, betsy devos has to radically affect their lives. >> they're not giving her the chance. or calmly reacting and stating very clearly as you just did throughout this segment, all of those viewpoints. that's -- my graduation, my dad just wanted to be there to see if i would get a degree. we'll see. ladies, thank you all very much. >> thank you.
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>> neil: i don't know if you saw this "washington post" story on the president, james comey. inside trump's anger and in patience, more than 30 unnamed sources reported on the story. 30 sources. that's journalism's version of shock and awe. what the readers are about to absorb if 30 people back it up. it's brilliant. it gains the story that there's 30 people doing it, even if they're unnamed. >> amazing. once i get to 10 or 12 sources, i have my story at that point. to go to 30, it goes back to what margaret sullivan said when she was a "new york times" public editor. she's with "the washington post" doing my job as a media
reporter. she said the number 1 complaints that the times would get from its readers was that that i used unnamed sources far too much. they even complained more about that than bias or being inaccurate. the reason why readers don't like it, okay, you have 30 sources. who are they? are they credible? what are their motives? have they lied in the past? do they have an agenda? is at this time white house chef, the guy that checks your security at the north gate? so yeah, you can name 30 employees. that sounds incredible. but unless we know exactly what the credibility of those sources are, that's why readers don't trust what they're reading. you can basically make up whatever you want and spit and spin any narrative that is out there. >> neil: and spin it around as well, right? you brought this up, this idea that if you have to rely on 30 unnamed people, you have doubts about them. >> exactly. once i got to 15, seems shaky. better get to 30 to make sure everybody is on the same page.
that's got to be a record. i have never seen that, 30 unnamed sources named before. gives you cause and certain why would they need so many to corroborate a story. >> it's the back and forth, joe, with the media and this and why they rely on unnamed sources or anonymous sources. you can same the same about administrations. the democratic one before them, off-the round briefings. it's built in the way we do the job. you're saying too much so. >> absolutely, neil. it's every story out of this white house. you never see a name attached. i remember one done by "the new york times" that talked about how white house staffers didn't know how to work the lights in the white house, so they were huddling in the dark. there's donald trump in a bath robe. there's no sources there. just seems so neat. the narrative is so visit that the reader almost must be like
that is too much detail. it's almost too perfect. every time, it skews negative to the trump administration. i'm not saying they don't exist and not saying we shouldn't use them. we wouldn't have deep throat and watergate if that wasn't the case. there's a reliance too much. the business model is about being first instead of accurate. it's about quantity over quality. we're playing to audiences at this point and people believe what they want to believe. if it's spectacular or scandalous about the trump administration and you put it out there and may or may not be right, they go with it. there's no consequences if you get it wrong. you can't disprove it. >> neil: a couple of unnamed sources saying concha was great in that segment. >> i her heard tremendous. my dad said that. >> thanks. >> good to see you.
>> neil: all right. here's why republicans say whether you like our plan or not, the existing affordable care act is dying on a vine. the latest end case, aetna vowing to pull out of all exchanges by next year. gerri willis on what that leaves. not much, i guess. >> not much at all. the nation's third largest insurer, aetna, with drop from the obamacare marketplace in 2018. exiting nebraska and delaware. the company had said they would pull back from iowa and virginia. losses are mounting for aetna, which expects more than $200 million in red ink on top of $700 million they lost between
2014 and 16. aetna is not alone. anthem is expected to reduce its participation as well. the move by aetna is just one more sign that obamacare's promise of offering a marketplace for affordable coverage is crumbling. today just a third of the nation's counties have one insurer and many are biting their nails to see if more will sign up. in iowa, the last remaining insurer, medica has announced plans to pull out. terry goodrich, a raleigh engineer, is one. >> reduces our quality of life. yeah, we have the plan in place. with a huge deductible and paying the premiums. it really doesn't cover anything. puts us in a bad spot. i hope congress does something because it's ridiculous. if they would have to use this healthcare, they would fix it in
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bigger cooler things now. but that seems unusual because that seems to be doing the kind of thing that donald trump wants to see but tim cook and the president are hardly on the same page. is this a quid pro quo? >> data is king. many are building data centers against fast as they can. >> neil: the president is famous for doing more things here. >> makes more sense to build it here? why not. makes total sense. >> neil: i want to pick your brain of the comey dust-up and everything. is it distracting? it will push his economic agenda back at a minimum. >> as a business guy, not a politician, i believe that every
president, including this president, needs a coo. jim baker was a coo for president reagan. >> a chief operating officer. >> he needs to have something that is experienced in the white house that get things done, helped him avoid these unforced errors. >> neil: he has a very good cabinet. we talked about the -- >> the cabinet is terrific. he has a terrific cabinet. he needs to have something comparable to that in the white house where they're not making the announcements as they did with comey where he sees it on the television or where they put out the immigration policy. they filed a draft -- it wasn't well-thought through. >> neil: i understand what you're saying. there's an argument that the president could win no matter which way he fired comey. the timing was bad though. if you were advising him, would you have done it now -- >> i would have advised him. he understands execution is
where the rubber hits the road. it's no different in government. you're doing it in front of the whole world. they could have done a better job on execution. the communication needs to be better and the execution needs to be better. the president needs to have somebody who he trusts as a coo. i don't know. marry gary cohn. >> not the people he have now. >> that's his choice. >> neil: you're latest undertaking -- >> this is the most interesting business i've been involved with since apple. what we're doing is going in any to the entire healthcare system. we have one bucket, the most expensive patients that are chronically ill. 5% of the population. 1.5 trillion of expense. there's not good coordination between the physicians. maybe they have nine different
chronic care diseases, taking 15 to 25. there needs to be more coordination with actionable analytics. >> to avoid the overlap. >> exactly. mackenzie global institute estimates $450 of potential savings every year. that could more than pay for health insurance for every american. >> neil: who is friendlier to this type of technology? the obamacare plan or what the republicans are pushing out? >> obamacare made a lot of mistakes. they looked to regulation as being the answer for everything. the reality is that in obamacare, there are federal mandates which are the ten essential benefits, controlled at the federal level, which are not required in every state. so giving the states more responsibility and authority makes total sense. >> neil: are you worried when you hear that aetna will be out of the exchanges by next year? they're running out -- people forget with obamacare the way
it's not, it's not sustainable. >> i'm not surprised. you've seen united healthcare pull out. aetna is pulling out. these exchanges were badly conceived. it was the default when he couldn't get single payer system in. so they created the exchanges with the assumption that turned out to be totally wrong. that young people would balance the older pool ant didn't work. the health insurance companies are using hundreds of billions. we need something better thought out. >> neil: john skulley, the former ceo of apple. anyway, merrick garland. remember him? the choice of the supreme court that never got a hearing. how about fbi director? charlie gasparino on the serious pitch to make him the next james comey. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates...
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>> neil: is your view that any push for an independent prosecutor or independent commission is unwarranted right now, even with what you heard from mr. mccabe today? >> that's my personal view. >> neil: charlie gasparino, you heard the guy who runs the judiciary committee on no special prosecutor, no special commission. your hearing names being bandied about, including one former supreme court to pick. >> mike lee, also on the judiciary committee, is now proposing judge merrick garland as comey's replacement after the firing last week. i don't take this seriously. and a lot of republicans don't take this seriously. that president trump is actually going to a point merrick garland. but it tells you that republicans are scared of the optics of tuesday's last-minute firing of james comey by trump.
there's a wide-ranging, maybe exploding investigation into the russian -- ties between russian intelligence and some trump administration officials. some people associated with the trump transition team and campaign. >> neil: he fires the fbi director, brings in another guy who was well-regarded, still is. could garland be that kind of guy? >> theoretically, but listen. like i said, i don't think this is going to happen but it's an attempt by republicans to change the narrative that's growing in washington, namely that the firing of comey is nixonian. that's what the democrats are saying. they are comparing it to nixon's firing of the special prosecutor. >> neil: i think they would be saying that no matter when he fired him. >> but they are worried.
>> neil: worried that they're going to drag it on and on? 's because they are worried essentially about the midterm elections that the optics is going to hurt them. they are throwing names up ther there. merrick garland, democrat put up by president obama, didn't end up on the supreme court. i think a better choice and more likely choices mike rogers, former michigan congressman whose name has been floating. >> neil: he is not a rudy giuliani or chris christie. >> i would say this about rudy. when you talk about rudy giuliani and chris christie, they are going to have a confirmation problem. not that they have done anything wrong but they have both had issues. e.g. remember justice souter? >> neil: you don't always get what you think. you are a good example of that.
>> you thought you were getting a mild-mannered reporter. >> neil: you are the best, charlie gasparino. these specialists will see you now. the doctors are in the house. here they are. >> kat: hello, everybody. i am kat timpf along with eric bolling and eboni k. williams. 5:00 will never be the same. we are "the fox news specialists" ." president trump is going on the offense after firing fbi director james comey. the president sitting down for an interview with lester holt of nbc news, detailing how he made his decision. >> monday you met with the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. did you ask for a recommendation? >> what i did is i was going to fire comey, my decision. >> you had made