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of the infrastructure speech to iowa on wednesday? >> yeah. and will the democrats deal? because there's room for us to deal here. maria: thank you very much. this will do it for sunday morning features. i'm maria quiba maria bartiromo. see you tomorrow on the fox business network. stay here for continuing coverage. >> the world still stunned by the latest london terror attacks carried out by three knife-wielding men. at least 7 people are dead, 48 people injured. let's go to london for a live update. >> this is where the incident occurred just over my shoulder a few blocks behind me and at this hour we're seeing people present flowers and objects at a makeshift memorial as for the terror threat this hour, it remains at severe. it has not -- and i underscore that, it has not been updated to critical as the attack in manchester.
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and now we're looking at the white van that caused so much carnage and mayhem. take a look at this still frame. this vehicle was heading south over the london bridge last night when it plowed into pedestrians. it jumped the curb coming to rest near a light pole. three men then exited the van, and then they began attempting to stab people nearby. as you mentioned, the death toll now seven dead, 48 wounded. police killed the three attackers. the question now. did they do it on their own? or did they have any help? in the east end section of london, the neighborhood in the last few hours, there have been a series of raids and as of now, 12 people have been arrested. not clear if what to any extent those 12 people are connected to the carnage that took place just 16 hours ago. the investigation here continues.
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>> hopefully we'll find out soon. david lee miller joining us from london. joining me now, jillian turner. katie, editor of town both are fox news contributors. and aaron mcpike, who covers the white house for independent journal review. julian, to what extent are these attacks designed to instill fear in britain and around the world by generating saturation media coverage? >> 100%. that's pretty much -- aside from killing as many people as possible during the attack itself, this is the purpose of those attacks. and to that degree, they're enjoying unprecedented success in the last year, couple of years. this is something that isis has excelled at and really driven to new heights, thanks to social media and the way that they reach out to the community of interested people you know? by that, i mean potential terrorists around the world. and hope to get this going. >> thankfully, katie, this is not a huge death toll but justified because what this
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attack does is instills a sense of fewer and concern that if you're on a bridge in london, if you're shopping at london's market that you can't be entirely sure that you were safe. >> that's one of the definitions of terrorism; right? is to instill fear and not just take people's lives, which is the worst-case scenario, but to try to make sure that people don't go out and enjoy their freedoms that they have in the western countries like the uk and united states and all over europe. that's something certainly that they want to do. we also see in these reports that these men who got out of the van were wearing fake suicide vests, they connect to the recent manchester attack. this is not something that's isolated, this is not a lone wolf problem. we also have the 18th suspect arrested in manchester today as a result of that suicide bombing recently. so this is on going. british officials are clearly having a hard time coming to
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terms with this, but they're having an impact the way people think about whether they want to go to a crowded area or concert with their children. >> and president trump acting quickly calling prime minister teresa may but also a series of tweets. and some found this one odd when the president retweeted the report saying fears of a new terror attack. this was after the initial ramming of pedestrians by the van. since he has access to all the top intelligence. >> i'm sorry the question is? >> the question is certainly we want the president to speak out forcefully and twitter is his medium. since he has more information than anybody else in america and some people thought it was odd and retreating. >> yeah. it's possible he didn't get a full briefing on it just yet. maybe he's getting a full briefing. in past white houses, the president will get a briefing on a terrorist attack before talking to world leaders.
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but that is important that these statements generally have to go through a number of layers of checks before they put them out to the public. and the president is not doing that. >> well, and that also often put the white house behind news reports. always this balance between being quick and making sure that you have it nailed down. the president also tweeting today, jillian, that we're not having a gun debate as often follows these attacks because this particular attack was carried out by a van and knives by three people that i guess have been shot dead. so it does show the terror problem in this country is far greater than just a debate about gun control. >> to me, that's sort of a political point. but, yes, i agree with it. i think having the gun debate today in aftermath of yesterday's attack would be a little bit useless. >> but don't points often follow these attacks as political faxes try to use the event tragic as it is to make arguments for their side. >> well, yes, and we see that with the gun debate and the
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traveling debate. is the policy solution to these problems one or the other? do we restrict access to the country by immigration and refugee status? to me, those are both political arguments but made by both sides of the aisle. i think both are equally applicable to the problems of terrorism. so both are valid for discussion. at least from a media perspective, it's important because these are major issues for american voters. >> we'll talk more about that. i have to ask you about this tweet by a cnn host. let's put it up, and we're cleaning it up slightly in the wake of the london attack writes this piece of blank is not just an embarrassment to america and a stain on the presidency. he's an embarrassment to humankind. now, i don't usually do this but this guy has a show on cnn, and he called the president a piece of (bleep). at the end of the day i'm wonder if he will still have a show on cnn. >> i'm not going to respond to
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cnn. but this goes back to the double standard for the way that we treat the presidency. i think there would be a lot more attention on this today and all of the media if it was a conservative on fox news who had a show tweeting about a democratic president, the reaction would certainly be different and there would be a lot more attention focused onth. it's unfortunate, and i just think it really shows where we are in the state of our politics today and the aftermath of a terrorist attack, this is the kind of name-calling that we see from the media towards the president. >> if i might, i think it shows there's no respect for the office. never mind the politics or policies of the individual, it shows a lack of respect for the importance of this. >> i will speculate. i think cnn would suspend that person for a week or two as they have when other reporters have -- >> but is he a reporter? >> he's a host of a high profile show. and i don't mind even cnn hosts taking issue with the policies. this is a personal attack.
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the president was apparently watching fox and friends this morning. the reference was made to the mayor of london who said that there's no reason to be alarmed addressing the people of his city because there will be an increased police presence in the seven days. the president tweeted seven dead, 48 wounded and the mayor says there's no reason to be alarmed. >> he's supposed to be the president. the mayor of london also said other things like we will never let these cowards win. i think a lot of the coverage after these attacks are fairly routine at this point. and i think we actually need to do a better job asking about next steps. and not just those political issues but what actually a number of countries are doing about counterterrorism because i don't think we're getting to the bottom of that at all. >> we'll come back to this. but let me turn now to the climate change decision, the president pulling out of the paris climate agreement, garnering publicity worldwide. here's just a brief some of what was said on the airwaves.
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>> it's hard to think the worst thing the president has done but so far this might just be the one. >> this will be the day that the united states resigned as the leader of the free world. >> we just watched a dangerous little man give a very, very scary speech. >> the left immediately became hysterical, even more than usual. >> leave aside the pundits for a moment. did the straight news reporting on president trump's decision here be which was obviously not popular in many quarters and much of the world, was it fair against the president? >> i think that it was more about attacking the president and his decision than it was about looking at what the paris climate agreement actually was. this was something that was agreed to by the obama administration. i think a lot of people based on the coverage of the election and all the news forgot about what the paris climate did, what it was, what the obligations of the united states were. during the coverage, i didn't really hear about why are we in this? why did president obama make this decision? what are the binding factors for the united states? and how does it affect the
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american economy? what was the thinking behind the president's decision? it was more about a climate denier saying that he was committing an act of treason against the american people and the world for pulling out this agreement. there wasn't really a lot of substance and context to what the agreement actually was. >> with some exceptions, i would say. jillian, you may disagree with the president's decision, and that's fine. but it would be hard to look at the totality of the coverage, and you're looking at all the newspaper articles and the way it was framed and what a setback this was and u.s. giving up his global leadership role and to say it wasn't largely negative. do you agree? >> oh, i think as a whole, the media coverage of this decision was overwhelmingly sort of crushingly negative. and while i don't agree with the president's decision on the agreement, i think the bigger point here is that it seems that a majority of my fellow americans might actually disagree with me in the sense that this is something that president trump was very up front and very
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forward about on the campaign trail. almost, we were discussing in the greenroom, it sort of was a campaign platform issue for him. so he certainly has a mandate. my personal disagreement, you know. >> i agree with all of the points that you both made here. but i do think in flipping the script a little bit, the white house has not done a good job setting up for him making this decision. and, in fact, we saw there were reports that gary cohn and ivanka trump were trying to change his decision. they didn't spend time messaging this over the past two weeks and building support for his decision and explaining why. >> there were leaks from the white house that pretty clearly indicated the president was going to do this. >> i think based on his decision regardless of whether they would have built this report that you're talking about, he would have been credited sized because it's not what he means for the
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country, it's about the president being a denier and telling his decision in the world he's not interested in protecting the environment. which, by the way, we're not hearing a whole lot about the fact that he said. i would like to renegotiate this deal. i care about the environment. let's redo this. >> the next thing the president said, and it kind of got dismissed by the president as if he hadn't even said it because it was almost like everyone was geared up for yes or no or not going into -- katie, hours after the president's speech announcing this. msnbc and you know liberals care partiality about climate change, all -- they all led with russia. chris matthews, comey is going to testify in a week, 8:00 show, 9:00 show, 10:00 show, all about the russia investigation. >> well, the climate change issue on the scale of what msnbc think so is obviously a lower issue and russia has been aring their coverage for weeks. it has been working for them. their ratings are higher than they've been in years. i mean, clearly they are going to stay on that story because it's good for them, and they think that the american people are interested in it. >> i've said that i thought last week fox news played down
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some of the russia investigation. but just the fact that it happened on the day of the climate change decision whether you want to attack it, praise it, or try to analyze it, just struck me as an interesting moment. let me get a break, panel let me know what you think and we'll be right back ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. you need one of these. you wouldn't put up with an umbrella that covers you part way, so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part. tell you what, i'll give it to you for half off. brthe customer app will be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question.
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information from someone. so somebody is giving information about a shakeup. when it comes to sean spicer, i'm always curious why journalists would be on his way out in a sense he goes out to the podium every day and acts the way president trump would act. he's speaking on behalf of the president and his contentious attitude with the press seems to be exactly what the president would do and want. this idea that he's somehow making the office look bad, making the president look bad, he actually speaks on behalf of the president, and i think he's doing what the president would do and therefore why would he be fired? . >> cnn made a big deal this week about one of the briefings was off arm. there was audio only, which cable networks ended up taking some of that live and cnn liberal commentator van jones saying sean is incredibly shrinking man. first of all, it's not unusual to have off camera briefings. every administration has done it. >> and probably do it --
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spicer does it once a week or once every two weeks an off camera briefing. and they do plenty of off camera briefings with cabinet officials or other senior aids all the time to give information about things they might be doing. >> right. you can critique his answers as journalists tend to do, but he's doing a difficult job. >> next don't library the off camera briefings because they can't use it. that's really what that -- >> it really strikes me, jillian because some news networks are proclaiming and the fact when he was overseas sean spicer if he does hang onto his job, he's not going to do the briefings anymore. and it just seems some of this is faxes from the white house. but some of it is just we have this journalistic addiction to, well, who's going to get shoved out next? i don't know that the country is brieflessly awaiting the answer to that question.
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>> it's like addiction to palace intrigue. but i think the media could be forgiven in this essence for speculation about shakeups at the white house because if you look elsewhere in other corners of the white house, there have been spectacular shakeups in the first 100 days. you look at national security policy, we had an fbi director who was fired. a national security adviser who was fired. a deputy who's being posted elsewhere. we have the acting attorney general fired. so shakeups is not, you know, the media could be forgiven is to extrapolating from conflicts. >> and communications director was let go after three months. veronica much of an impact. but why has this gotten so personal? sean spicer is very famous because of the live coverage and the snl parodies. but when you have cnn saying he looks like a depressed little kid up there, he's trying to do his job, and he has gotten a little bit more tersed in his answers.
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but i think that's to stay on message. >> yeah. i think reporters don't lake when he gives information that may be false or not totally accurate. but i would disagree a little bit on the larger point. i think local papers are doing a lot better coverage. they're actually covering the substance of what the administration is doing. they're pulling back some regulations, and i talked to a reporter from the salt lake tribune yesterday who was taking how certain regulations are affecting that state. and local papers don't have an appetite for the palace intrigue at all. they're actually covering the real stuff. >> the last briefing sean spicer made it clear all the questions to the russia investigation he's going to refer it to the president's private lawyer. >> well, that's about the special counsel coming in because the white house doesn't have to answer any questions related to this investigation, as if they were going to do that anyway. it does give the white house an out, and it certainly is going to give journalists even more work to do in terms of digging in to find that metamorphosing administration. >> because other administrations have used as
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well. katie, erin, thank you very much. jillian, stick around. and as we go to break, let's take a live picture at london. this is on the wake of the terror attack on the bridge. three attackers have been killed. we'll talk more about that with jillian turner in just a moment. mmmm. mmmm. mmmm... ugh. nothing spoils a moment like heartburn. try new alka-seltzer ultra strength heartburn relief chews. it's fast, powerful relief with no chalky taste. [ sings high note ] ultra strength, new from alka-seltzer. enjoy the relief. with all the things you'll never learn from a book. expedia. everything in one place, so you can travel the world better.
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>> fox news alert. i'm told that we are awaiting a briefing on the live terror attacks. let's listen. >> about their connections and about whether they were assisted or supported by anyone else. as i think you're aware, there are searches going on in london and 12 arrests have already been made. there is clearly more to do, and we will work relentlessly to get to the attacks. a white van that was recently hired by one of the attackers. as grows, we now understand that the van at london bridge started the attack at 2158 yesterday and went nort north and south down the river.
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the van collided with pedestrians before being abandoned where attackers were armed with knives continued into the market area, stabbing numerous people. the attackers were then confronted by the officers, and i can confirm that eight police firearms officers discharged their weapons. whilst this will be subject to an investigation, our initial assessment is in a region of 50 rounds in the reason of 50 bullets were fired by those eight officers. the three attackers were shot dead. the situation these officers were confronted with was critical. a matter of life and death. three armed men wearing what appeared to be suicide belts. they had already attacked members of the public and had to be stopped immediately. the firearms officers fired an
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unprecedented number of rounds to be completely confident that they had neutral right side the threat that those men posed. i'm humbled by the bravery of an officer who will rush toward a suicide bomber to protect others. as confronted the terrorists, a member of the public also suffered a gunshot. although not critical in nature, they are in hospital receiving medical attention, and we will of course keep you updated on that. seven people have been killed in addition to three attackers next akin of the victims is on going, and this will take some time as we believe some of the victims are from a abroad. on top of that, we have 36 people suffering from a range of injuries. some are extremely serious and 21 remain in critical condition. you will have heard today
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about the british police officer who suffered injuries in the attack responding to the incident. i can also confirm that an off-duty metropolitan police officer was caught up in the attack. fortunately, he has not suffered life-threatening injuries. the team is taking statements from hundreds of witnesses and, again, appeal to anybody or put it on the incident to make contact with the police. we've encouraged the public to avoid the area while our investigation continues. this is likely to have some impact on travel arrangements the first apart of tomorrow morning and take alternate routes when necessary. now the public can see additional plea both arms and arms in the capitol over the next coming days and policing
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plans for forthcoming events are being reviewed. you're also seeing increased difficult measures in order to keep the public safe on london bridges. finally, i asked the public to remain calm but vigilant and if you see anything suspicious, no matter how insignificant it might be, please don't hesitate to contact the police. at 999 or the antiterrorism hotline. i'll take a couple of questions. [question off mic] >> we're increasingly confident that this attack was conducted by three vigils, yet to establish if there were any associates or anyone else involved in the planning. i want to confirm the identity of those involved before we
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throw the details on that. [question off mic] . >> so we have aroutine plan for a terrorist incident to immediately -- special from the military provided when necessary. this incident was resolved, though, by police officers and the first responders. >> immediately arrived after to be dealt with, or they didn't arrive. >> weren't involved in the resolution incident. thank you, all, very much. . >> mark rally, briefing the media on the terror attack on the london bridge, and we're back with jillian turner. did we learn anything new? >> definitely didn't learn anything into. but what this shows me is that law enforcement right now, at least in the uk, is still on the tactical phase of this investigation. they're focused on the who, what, when, where, they haven't looked at the why yet. they're cautiously affirming it was terrorist related. but beyond that, things like motivate and larger
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connections and terrorist networks is not something they penetrated yet. . >> so many unanswered questions, as there certainly are in the way of these terrorist attacks. thank you so much, jillian, for joining us. and cory lewandowski the president's first campaign manager and adviser is joining us now. cory, you come amid breaking news on the event that you know. let me ask you president trump tweeting this morning, among the things he said about the london attack. we must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for our people. what does he mean by politically correct? >> well, howie, as you know first and foremost, our thoughts and prayers with the victims and the families in london and the president said that he will stand firm with anything he can do to help the people there. i know he has had a conversation with the prime minister over there and has pledged his support. but you have to remember, we have seen courts legislating from the bench prohibiting the president from implementing a
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program which will call for extreme vetting coming into the united states. these are the same courts which have decided to legislate from the bench as opposed to interpret the rules that the president clearly has a constitutional authority to implement on behalf of the people of our country. and what he said is that our system is not designed right now to make sure that we know who's coming into our country, so we have to stop being politically correct so that we're saving american lives and hopefully we don't have terrorist attacks on our own soil. >> but, coy, several different courts have found that two different versions heading now to the supreme court. i understand you and the president and a lot of american people feel strongly about it. but that is the role of courts in our society, is it not? >> well, it is. but the question is does the president have the constitutional authority, which is the same authority that george w. bush used, barack obama used, and dates all the way back to world war ii to preclude people from coming into the country of the united states, which is a great privilege and an honor. until we know exactly who they are.
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and what we've seen is that have opportunity to check people's social media activities because it wasn't that long ago where the san bernardino killer came in under a k1 visa, committed a jihad, and if we would have had the opportunity to look at her social media activity with we would have seen that she was exactly going to do that when she came to this country. >> let me move on now to the president's decision to pull out of the paris climate agreement. highly controversial, as you know. avalanche of coverage. much of it negative in tone. do you feel like the press in covering this kind of glossed over the fact that during the campaign when you were advising donald trump that he promised to do this and it is was a campaign promise. >> well, this is the thing, howie. this president can't win with the mainstream liberal media if he stayed in the paris accord, which you know is completely voluntary countries like china and india and russia pay zero as part of this. if he would have stayed in, the mainstream media would have said see? the president has flip-flopped.
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he changed his decision on the campaign and has no principles. instead what he did was exactly what he said he was going to do, which is exactly what he complained on, which he said is that a # $.5 trillion expense over the next ten years. 6million jobs lost. 3billion-dollar slush fund to the united nations which the president of the united states is paying all of it. and he said this is a bad deal for the u.s. we're going to pull out of it based on merits. >> cory, several reporters have asked top administration officials in the recent days whether donald trump himself believes that climate change is not real or whether it's some kind of hoax perpetrated by the chinese. and the questions have all been deflected. why is that such a difficult question to answer? >> well, look, i think it's very clear that the president speaks for the president. but what he has said, and he's been on the record of in the past of what he believes climate change and if it's real or if it isn't real. and i think the only person who's going to speak for the president on this is the president the president. he's exceptionally successful not just to the american
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people through twitter but we've seen that he's unbelievably successful. so i'm sure they'll have the opportunity to directly ask the president that question. >> good point. >> you wrote on the hill the other day, and there was a piece on whether or not the president made the right decision. even though the mainstream media would -- are you argue arguing that it is a smashing success and the press has completely misinterpreted what's happened? >> if you think about this, the president has a supreme court justice by all accounts was successfully qualified, he has him sitting on the bench. the president got no credit for negotiating the release of a u.s. citizen in an egyptian prison which barack obama accidented couldn't get done. he literally has no credit for this. he has put jobs back on the table. the economy is booming. the stock market is the highest it has been. if you look at the last month, there's supposed to be 185,000
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jobs created. there was. this administration has been successful and the mainstream media has given him no credit. that doesn't include all the executive orders he has done, which allows coal minors and steel workers back to work and stops countries from dumping their goods on our soil without some kind of repercussion. . >> cory, it is no secret that the president has thought to have asked you to join the administration. >> i'm very lucky that i had a small role in history. and i think i can be very effective for the president on the outside. i think there's a lot of things that i can do and say to help him from the outside. if he were to say to me, cory, i absolutely need you to come in, it would be a tough family decision. i have young kids, i live in new hampshire, i have a great life and looked i'm willing to serve my country any capacity possible. but i think there's a lot of ways i can do this from the
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outside to make sure his agenda of tax reform and infrastructure spending and repeal and replacement of obamacare and building a wall on the southern border all get done. >> well, these are tough family decisions, given the back-breaking nature of these white house jobs and for the record you had more than a small role on the campaign. but you have spoken out about weeks from inside the white house and there are has been a constant flow of these leaks and sometimes designed to make another faction or official look bad. we've seen a lot of that with these shakeup stories and sometimes they kind of make the president look like he's not completely in control or they reflect badly on the president. as somebody who was at least considering going inside, what do you make of the -- this constant flow of leaks to reporters about the boss? >> well, howie, i said it many times now. there's repeating. anybody who is not on the president's team should not be working either in the white house or in this administration in any capacity. and anybody who continues to
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leak information to the media for their own benefit or at the detriment of some of their employees or colleagues that they're working for should not be in this administration any way, shape, or form. >> you think they should be fired if they can be identified, you think they should be fired? >> absolutely. and i'll tell you why. because not only are you hurting your colleagues that you have to work next to on a daily basis, you're hurting the president and our country. the reports of classified information has been leaked out. we've seen what happened in the previous administration was unmasking taking place for political reasons. if anybody has been part of that, they shouldn't be there. this president was elected to change washington. he needs people around him and if they're leaking information about the president or their colleagues, they should go out and find jobs in the private sector. >> cory lewandowski, thank you very much for joining us on a very busy sunday. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> good to see you, and we'll be right back with more media buzz in just a moment when you have allergies,
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believe conspiracy theories have led to a deficit of credibility. >> joining us now is terrence smith who also worked for the new york times and pbs news hour and, terry was scott pelley basically bounced for low ratings or something so much more? his office was cleaned occupy while he was overseas and no successor lined up. >> it was very messy and i'm sure the network doesn't like the way it has unraveled but neither does scott pelley. i think he has ratings were certainly the primary cause. he had been there for six years. they didn't see, i gather, much chance that he would build the ratings at this point. so they thought it was time to get somebody else. you know, there's an old line about when the evening news starts going down, network gets nervous,
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first, they change the set; right? that doesn't work. >> new design. >> yeah, then they change the executive producer. that usually doesn't work either. and finally, they go to the anchor. but in this case, they went to stage three right away. >> right away. >> . >> some of the loadage we've seen, i don't know if it was a factor here or he knew he was on his way out, and he wanted to get his feelings out of the president. >> i'm told it was not a factor in the decision to remove him that the management was -- they were comfortable with what he was saying and the way he was saying it. certainly unusual for a, you know, an evening news host. and yet i'm told really reliably that steve, the executive producer and management were not worried about that.
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they worried about not only ratings but what was happening to the evening news. where was the audience going? ratings are down. they were making progress on the cbs morning news. >> right. >> with why best this morning. >> a lot more money. >> which is longer, has more ads, more money. and they were making progress with john dickerson at face the nation. >> and i'm also told very strange relations between scott pelley and cbs news david rose was not the guy who gave pelley the job. beyond the personality clash, which are often a factor here, look, you worked in cbs. i covered the story when katie occur i can got the job. a big star at abc. now one of the victory network anchors gets dumped, and it hasn't caused. of a ripple. what happened? >> what happened is what happened to television, to the evening news broadcast as a centerpiece. there simply are no more
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walter conkites, the most trusted man in america. that's why you don't see an obvious replacement coming right up for scott pelley. the evening news is simply not what it used to be. cable news ratings are rising, the network is losing an audience and they may not be the natural harth that they once were for the whole country. but they still among them bring in about 22 million viewers a night. >> they're still a big combine franchise. you have about half a minute here. but it seems all the networks moved away from this sort of, again, rather katie model. scott pelley was an excellent reporter. i knew thought he was a natural anchor. >> i would agree with that. i think he did a very fine broadcast. it had the most news content of all the broadcast, and he's a very good guy.
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but they felt it was time for a different style. >> right. you would think they would have this orchestrated but these breakups are often messy, as we said at the top. terry smith, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> and you watch the whole kathy griffin president trump thing, it just got out of control this week. we'll have a report on that in just a moment y do we make grill? for igniting togetherness every time you push the button. for burners that keep your flame burning strong, year after year. for being able to choose exactly the kind of grill you want. for 2,3,4 and 6 burner grills that fit any and every lifestyle. the all new genesis ii series featuring gs4, weber4s brand new high performance grilling engine. go to for more information. briathe customer app willw if be live monday. can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online?
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apology. >> the video is too disturbing. i understand how it offends people. i beg for your forgiveness. i went too far. i made a mistake, and i was wrong. >> fine. but then at a tearful newsconfee tried to shift the blame to the president's family. >> i don't think i will have a career after this. i think he -- i'm going to be honest. he broke me. >> i spoke earlier with carly, a reporter for fox news sirius xm station 24/7 headlines. >> carly, welcome. >> good to be here. >> so kathy griffin think so donald trump broke her, that she's responsible for cnn dumping her, for five concert dates being canceled. excuse me isn't this a reaction to what she did? >> yeah, you know what they say? they say the cover-up is always worse than the crime. and i think that analogy pertains quite nicely to the disaster of a press conference that we saw so friday. and the most mind-boggling
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part of this whole thing is she's now accusing the president of trying to ruin her career when she's the one who held up the fake, decapitated head of president trump. so for her to play the victim is crazy. she's saying that she has her free speech right to do whatever she wants. well, you know what, howie? the president and his family also have the free speech right to speak out against her. >> i was going to make that point. trump put out a statement. they were reacting to what she had done. but there was a lot of talk at this presser about the first amendment, about censorship, this is happening because she's a woman, and i have to ask you, you know, nobody's trying to stop kathy griffin from telling jokes about donald trump or anyone else. but companies have a right not to associate with her. >> yeah. the whole sexist argument and i think women should be offended by that because there are real examples of sexism that happen
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every single day. but the president tweeting about kathy griffin isn't something that you can say is sexist. it's because she pretended to be a terrorist and thought it was funny. it has nothing to do with sexism. so i think that actually women should be very offended by her bringing that into this argument. what a total excuse. >> i think she should have stuck with her original apology, which at least seemed heartfelt. now, cnn and initial hesitation, the network said nothing and then said we're evaluating the situation. cnn serving its ties with kathy griffin who of course had been a fixture on the new year's eve new year's eve special with anderson cooper. do you think the network has any choice here? >> no. i don't think they had a choice. i think cnn acted within a relatively appropriate time frame. they came out, they condemned the picture and then 24 hours later, they severed ties with her.
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of course other companies in particular scotty potty left her. >> once you lost squatty potty, your career has gone down. and to his credit, he tweeted some very tough language about what she had done. but pull back the camera a little bit and look at the hollywood hatred of this president, do you think kathy griffin she would have gotten not just laughs but applause for doing this outrageous photo stunt? because, you know, others have either paid no price or actually has helped their careers whether it's madonna laughing about blowing i want white house or the madonna sex joke about trump and putin. >> yeah. and not the only one to threaten the president physically. of course snoop dogg made a video pointing a fake gun at the president. robert deniro said he wanted to punch the president. and i just the media is part to blame here as well. there was a recent study that
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said 80% of president's news coverage in the first 100 days was largely negative. so in the words of donald trump junior, this is shocking but it really doesn't come as any surprise by kathy griffin would think that this would be a well seafood image. >> i don't think she was trying to threaten the president. i think she is paying the price because the country left and right was kind of repulsed by this. carly, great to see you. >> good to see you. . >> now at least there's some lines that you can't across in terms of vicious attacks against the president. and couldn't put her on with one of the top anchors, anderson cooper. and bill maher apologizing for calling him a house n word. he said he used an offensive word and is very sorry. hbo, which runs the show called the use of the racial epithet, completely tasteless,
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the responsibility has outgrown that one of and that social media dollars can act as a collective watchdog. that i am afraid is a rationalization. they demand answers from editors and reporters when they screw up. liz spade was been let go from position after just a year on the job called out sometimes reporters were being too opinionated on twitter" there is a slide toward coverage that can be misperceived as rooting for trump's demise. this is precisely the wrong time at the new york times to silence the kind of voice. we came in here this morning as we have on many mornings and had to rip up the show to deal with the london attack, the attack on the bridge there and the van and knife wielding assailants. we have to ask all these questions. what's the latest? what can we get rid of?
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you know, we try to be on the breaking news but not ignore other news and that is almost a balancing act as we look at these pictures, i have to say, we've gotten weary of the constant scourge of terror. perhaps especially journalist to chronicle each attack. there is a level on which we give the terrorists what they want by spreading their message of fear. what happened at london bridge was horrifying enters every minute of cover but the challenge for media, all of us in the news business, all of us dedicated to reporting and analyzing it and use it to aggressively report the facts to each one of these horrifying attacks, heartbreaking attacks without losing a sense of proportion. without making a dangerous world see more dangerous than it already is which is exactly what our enemies would want. that's it for this edition of media buzz, i'm howard. glad you can be with us. we hope you like our faith page we post content there and i continue the conversation. you can also let us know what you think might media at media buzz at foxnews .com. let's continue the conversation
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on twitter at howard kurtz, many of you not letting lunch and we will continue its coverage, of course, of the london terror attacks. were back your neck sunday. see you then 11 eastern. eric: it is at 12 noon and 5:00 o'clock at london. we are tracking the latest after several terrorists brought their personal destruction to the london bridge. the long shadow of terror once again falling across the uk as new developments come to us by the hour. at least 12 arrests so far. that number is changing by the hour however, as well. details of the plot, where it started are not known at this hour. this is a special sunday edition of america's newsroom. i'm bill live in new york city. shannon and washington. >> i am at shannon in washington. a busy saturda