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able to move across europe, eventually leading to the defeat of the, changing the world forever. thank you to the greatest generation for your service and sacrifice. fair, balanced, and still, unafraid. >> martha: breaking tonight's, reports say that james comey will not argue in his testimony, that the president tried to obstruct justice. and then a famous national security michael flynn. a big development tonight. only victor, know what happened in that room. they were alone and that time. now, it sounds like thursday will be testimony and perhaps ongoing twitter rebuttal from the president. stay tuned for more on that tonight. ♪ good evening, everyone, i am martha maccallum and this is "the story" for tuesday, june 6. the 73rd anniversary of d-day. we will recognize our braid it
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on my greatest generation tonight, as well. but first, to the white house, where the president tried to get out from under and get the g.o.p. to focus on his agenda. starting with senate action on health care. >> if congress doesn't act to save americans from this democrat inflicted catastrophe, next year is only going to get worse, it will get a lot worse. i don't know how it can get worse than 203% but i'm sure the democrats will find a way. almost every major insurer has already pulled out for 2018. the house took an important first step to rescue americans from this calamity. the senate, i'm sure, will follow suit and get a ball across the finish line the summary that will be great health care for americans. i am looking forward to seeing it for it. >> martha: the agenda, as you know, has admired an overhang from the russian investigation, the tweet dispute with the london mayor this week, and of
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course, the g.o.p. is inviting. democrats try to use the chaos to their advantage. joining us now, house majority whip steve scalise he was just in there with the president and the other g.o.p. leaders at the white house. welcome, good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be with you, martha. >> martha: how did it go in there? how is progress? >> it went really well. we talked with president trump and vice president pence about moving forward on our agenda, repeal and replacing obamacare, cutting taxes for families and creating jobs and getting the economy back on track. there has been good movement in the house. we passed a health care bill. the senate is working on that. we talked about the steps that are being taken to get through the senate, so the ball can pass, ultimately come and get to president trump's desk. a lot of really productive conversation about how we get this agenda, not only moving forward in the house and senate but signed by president trump. >> martha: you guys did your part on part a, now, it is part
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b. and it looks tougher in the senates. you have some very strong dissension, it appears, from senator rand paul. you can only lose a couple of votes. lindsey graham was just on moments ago and he seems to be suggesting that he'll do what he can to get to 50, he said. but he said to the president, don't own something that you don't have to own. he seems to be leaning towards letting can collapse over time and then bringing democrats to the table. why is that a good idea or not? >> first of all, we all are seeing the failures of obamacare play out across the country. ohio just had the announcement that they are literally pulling out of more and more counties in ohio. iowa had their almost entire marketplace collapse. louisiana have seen almost 120% increases since obamacare took effect. it's not responsible to sit by and let this train wreck happen. we are trying to rescue people from the calamities of obamacare. i think that is the right thing to do.
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it's what we campaigned on. we got to deliver. we passed a bill out of the house that will lower premiums and put patients back in charge of the health care, while protecting people with pre-existing conditions. >> martha: a lot of people criticized the house for that big ceremony at the white house, saying, you are only at rest about a quarter of the way there. you have a long haul here. i think one of the things that people on your side of the aisle are concerned about is that there's not enough unity in the g.o.p. and perhaps not enough support for the president's agenda. it is the republican party 100% behind this president and what he wants to accomplish? >> i think you saw the house come together very united behind president trump's agenda. specifically, on passing the repeal and replace bill. now, the ball is a must in its court and they are working very hard to get there. i talked to them today, not only with lederman, but john cornyn. they are working very hard to but that's in consensus. look, martha, they are running into the same issues we ran into in the house.
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we all know obamacare is failing. i don't think anyone wants to sit on the sidelines and just watch it collapse because it is millions of people who are losing health care. it's millions of families that are paying double digit increases of ten, $12,000 deductibles. we need to change it. ultimately, i think there is every mark that we passed in the house to show how to do it. if the senate can make it through, but i think it's important to pass a bill. >> martha: polls show this is a very serious issue for a lot of voters out there. they want action on this. one more time, i want to price you. can the g.o.p. come together on this issue? you were in there with the senate leadership. you all know that there is difficulty with at least took her about the mess and it's hard are you and when do you think that americans can expect to see something clear the senate and get into conference? of a a time frame. >> first of all, i think it's imperative that we get this done. we passed it in the house. i'm confident of the senate can come together and get something passed, too. they have their own challenges
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that they are working through. i think you have seen leader mcconnell talk about july 4th is a deadline that they would like to achieve getting a bell brought up to the senates. that's a good time line to look at. again, they are doing the work they need to do just like we did in the house. it's important that we provide relief from obamacare. >> martha: congressman steve scalise, thank you. >> great to be with you. >> martha: joined me now on how this happened is ari fleischer, who served as white house press secretary under president george w. bush. and juan williams, cohost of "the five." you heard me pressing him on whether or not the g.o.p. side can come together, and he obviously is making it sound like everything will be fine, senate by july 4th. what is your take? >> he has to be right. if he is wrong, what is the point of having republicans control the congress? the base of the republican party will not show up in the 2018 midterm election if they don't
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get things done. that is what they are. so, it is hard. congress is slow. i remember in busch's first year, tax cuts were signed into law and june of 2001, the significant and should have come education didn't get signed until january of 2002. so, congress is always low but the challenge here really is, the senate, mitch mcconnell has to put his foot on the gas and bring the senators together to make sure that they do pass health care. otherwise, what is the point? >> martha: ari, are you concerned that they are not on the trump train, so to speak, and the g.o.p. side? they are nervous about the tweets, concerned about that sort of income and not sure if they want to be the one out there on the limb supporting it? >> they should do the opposite. they are nervous, they are worried about the president and the staff and all the noise. but if that is the case, what you need to do is be known for something else. you should be known for doing the peoples business. you should be known for passing
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laws. if you can get to that company you will make other noise that is better than the noise that is coming out of the white house, and that is where the public would like republicans to be focused on. >> martha: must put one of the president's tweets up there. i want to get your thoughts on them. "the fake msm is working so hard trying to get me not to use social media. they hate that i can get the honest and unfiltered message out." it is a stepping on his agenda or helping it, juan? >> he had a very bad exchange after the london attack and i think it undermined not only the relations with the british. we have seen the prime minister theresa may, the mayor of london, i'll fire back at president trump, even the acting u.s. ambassador to britain from united states disagreeing with his boss. i don't -- undermining the case for the travel ban is particularly pernicious if you are concerned about the agenda. i mean, some of his biggest followers, kellyanne conway's
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husband, george, saying that this is just not helpful if you are trying to win by those on the supreme court. but let me just allow me a moment to respond to ari fleischer. i think ari is right when he says that this is what was promised. but the reality is at the moment that if the republicans are to try to achieve something on health care, they have only about nine days. now to the 15th of this month because they would have to get it done by then to get it scored by the congressional budget office, which is required under the reconciliation approach they are taking. then, you'd have to talk about a conference with the house. we know how divided and narrow the victory was in the house. i think i understand, ari fleischer gives good advice. but it's not realistic. i think you can't sell this to the american people is realistic at this point. >> martha: i think, ari, people are so fed up hearing that congress doesn't have enough time to get stuff done. i mean, years go by and you hear the same argument over and over. "after the recess, before the
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election, after the election." it's ludicrous! speaker the american people havn saying this is about washington forever. when you people stop fighting and arguing, wake me up. what they do want washington to do is passed laws. i have faith in mitch mcconnell. i think he is a man who really does understand the nuances of the timing of the senates, when you push, when to let up. i think he is pushing now. >> martha: ari, they thought if they got the house, senate, white house, this man of action, president he was going to shake things up in washington, that it would be different. the window on that, i think, might be closing. >> martha, that is why i gave you the example of what happen the first year of george bush. a republican congress, at least a short period of time. congress is low, even an outsider like donald trump can change that. but still, what vulcans have to do is focus -- if they don't do that, the only thing people will know is donald trump's tweets.
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>> i think the knitting at the moment from speaker mcconnell's perspective is tax reform and that is the big ticket, that in the federal budget. after september. he thinks that a mousetrap has to get out of the way. he will have a vote and say that we gave it the old try, guys. >> martha: sounds familiar. thank you so much. thanks, juan and ari. john calley says that our safety is at risk. without president trump's travel ban. watch parades because it's nothing to do with religion, skin color, or the way they live their lives. it's all about security for the united states and nothing else. >> martha: is london's mayor says president trump is not welcome in the u.k., the president is not backing down. today, this scene at notre dame cathedral in paris. is this the world we live in now? former house intelligence chairman pete hoekstra joins us on that shocking picture.
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>> martha: this is the scene today at the world-renowned cathedral of notre dame in paris, france, come on the right-hand side of your screen. that was a scene in london use moments ago in england on saturday, as throngs of people were running away and many of them had to put their hands behind their heads in order to get out of there safely. these are exactly the images that terrorists want to see so that we can keep them on the run and keep america safe. how do we do that? watch this today. >> they are more terrorist hot spots and foot soldiers now than almost any time in modern history. we expect that some will travel to the united states to carry out attacks. this context in mind, the president has issued clear direction in the form of an executive order to the entire executive branch to prevent the entry of aliens who seek to do us harm. i can tell you right now, because of the injunctions, i'm
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not fully confident that we are doing the best or all that we can to weed out potential wrongdoers. bottom line, i have been enjoined from doing things that i know would make america safe. >> martha: here now, pete hoekstra. when i hear those words ringing through my head, i can only imagine if something happens here from then we will replay that sound bite of kelly, the homeland security secretary, saying that he didn't have what we needed and that the vetting, the ban, as necessary. >> that's exactly right. it's almost unprecedented that the courts are taking this kind of action and limiting the president and the executive branch's ability to keep america safe. this travel pause, all he is saying is from six countries that are failed states where we can't properly vet, let's have a pause until we can put in place the proper procedures to make sure that we know who's coming
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in and we have made a conscious decision and a conscious vetting process. >> martha: a lot of people look at the way the president talks about this, though, and they say he is his own worst enemy because what he wants sounds quite practical went by the way that you put it. but let's put the tweet from a one of the tweets in the past 24 hours or so i must screen, where he says, "that's right, we need a travel ban for certain dangerous countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!" but calling it a ban is precisely what got the hairs on the necks of these judges standing up straight and said, you can do that. he goes back to rhetoric from the campaign trail and it looks like you want to keep people of one religion out of fear. >> it has nothing to do with religion. he talks about country. when you think about it, a ban of people coming in from libya, from yemen, places that are failed states where you can't do anything right now to go through
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and identify the people trying to come in, a ban might not be a bad thing. but what he is asking for right now is just a pause. he might say a ban is the best thing. guess what. the court say, i can't do that. he will go with a pause, as much as he would like to have the ban. >> martha: i want to play a sound bite from sadiq khan, the mayor of london. >> i don't think we should run under the carpet, the president of the usa in the circumstances were his policies go against everything we stand for. >> martha: what do you think about that? >> everything we stand for. this is one way or the u.k. has admitted that they have made serious mistakes in their war, in maintaining the threat against magical jihadists. they have lead way too many people into the country that posed a threat. once they have gotten into the country, they have let them espouse and to germany this ideology that has led to the
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attacks in manchester and london. our president is saying, let's not make the same mistakes that they have made in london, that they have made in the u.k. sure, we are allies. but our president stands against everything that they stand for, absolutely. it's outrageous. >> martha: i want to put up with a picture of youssef zaghba, because we show the other two individuals yesterday. he was arrested trying to get to syria and then he was released. once again, it seems if you could just -- if someone leaves the country to travel to an area where it appears they may be training, don't let them back i in. >> i think if they are going to syria, iraq, libya, they are gone. revoke your passport, they can't come back. they have indicated who they are and what they want to accomplish. put in place the laws and the legal framework to keep their mouth, keep them out of the united states, keep them out of europe. let them go to the middle east. >> martha: you want to stay? stay. if you want to leave, you can't
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get back into the country and if you are willing to take that risk, then, go ahead. pete hoekstra, thanks. >> it's their choice. >> martha: always good to see you. we are learning more tonight about the story that we gave you last evening about the potential motive of a georgia woman allegedly at the heart of a bombshell leak that confirms that russia attacked our voting system or attempted to attack the voting system prior to the 2016 election. we know that this young lady, 25-year-old reality winner was apparently no fan of president trump. her social media accounts loadable expletives written criticism of him. "i am losing my mind. if you voted for this piece of -- you can figure out the rest -- i explain this, he is lying, he is blatantly lying in the second largest freshwater and country is now at risk." #nevermypresident. here now, and judge
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andrew napolitano. fresh off of that, she has every right to tweet whatever she wants. >> it's probably inappropriate that somebody at the national security clearance and who works for the president, the nsa is in the military, she is a contractor for the military, expresses views like that. she does have a constitutional right. i would argue that she actually helped the president by what she released. she released a reputable proof that the nsa knew that the russians attempted to affect the outcome of the election by planting cookies, attractive links, and 122 city and county clerks around the country who were in the business of counting votes. if any employees in one of those 122 offices clicked on the link, then, the hacker would be able to manipulate the outcome. president obama denied that this happened. we now know that his nsa knew that it happened. president putin, who none of us really believed, denied that it happen.
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we know he is lying. >> martha: why did president obama denied? >> who knows why president obama said what he said. he denied as late as christmas. >> martha: anything but it actually effective voting? >> correct. that was after the nsa gathered voting that this woman -- >> martha: they are saying that it was attempted. they tried to infiltrate. >> if you read the report, the nsa acknowledges in the report that it does not know whether or not any of these cookies was linked, whether there was any manipulation. but if knows for certain that hackers in russia access to the tabulation software of 122 counties and cities in the united states. this woman, and she is in legal trouble, she will be prosecuted prosecuted, -- >> martha: will she go to jail? >> i think she will go to jail. the president is aggressive on prosecuting lakes, even links that helped him.
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she revealed that the nsa knew about this and that there was no connection between edge and the trump campaign. >> martha: judge napolitano, as always, thank you. >> they are bad lakes and good lakes. >> martha: depending on who you are. thank you very much. still ahead tonight, new developments coming up this evening and the brutal death of penn state fraternity pledge timothy piazza, a story we have followed since the beginning. four months later, the university is now making changes to the greek system. is it too little, too late? for piazza family attorney tells us exactly what the school is really doing. first, there are two big breaking stories out of washington. new details on why we won't hear from fired fbi director james comey in terms of what we want to hear, rather, in that testimony on thursday. we'll tell you that. a new report says that attorney general jeff sessions considered resigning over the tension that he currently has with president trump. big story tonight. ed henry standing by the
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>> martha: breaking tonight, reports just hours ago that former fbi director james comey is unlikely to say that the president attempted to obstruct his investigation into former national security advisor michael flynn. abc's jonathan karl tweeting this act to:31 eastern today, "be it short of saying objected to investigation." ed henry joins us with the back story from the white house where there is also news about the apparently short-lived war room that was a sample to to fight that russia story. good evening to you. >> there is still angst at the white house among some of the presidents advisors over the fact that even if james comey's testimony as you suggest, could wind up underwhelming, they said suspect that the media will height is beyond belief. nbc's chuck todd declared that this will be on par with the hearings over watergate, ron-contra, anita hill, virtually, the whole nation
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will watch some of the moments of comey's testimony. in addition to the cable channels, all of the big three networks are planning to give the former fbi director gavel to gavel coverage on thursday. chuck todd promising this testimony could "shake the country." remember that before he was fired, comey testified under oath that is russia investigation had not been impeded and now, as you noted, "abc news" adding tonight that in fact, comey had told that he will testify on thursday that the president did not try to obstruct justice. interesting because the president himself at the white house seems to be trying to lower the temperature of what has been a testy relationship. >> what message do you have for james comey at if ahead of his testimony? >> i wish him luck. thank you, everybody. >> still, the specter of comey under the bright lights, on camera for the first time,
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detailing his meetings and phone calls with the president, could be politically damaging and we are learning the president may not have as strong a team as they were hoping to defend him because the vaunted war room we reported on, in which he wanted a staff with advisors like david bossie, corey lewandowski, for rapid response to rush investigations, may be falling apart. politico saying that the president decided that it makes more sense to have the operation run out of new york by marc kasowitz, his streetfighting attorney in new york, who benefits from being close to the president. they worry that his attorney gets the president a bit wound up. that leads us to what the president -- what will he be doing on thursday? sean spicer today said, look, the president has a busy schedule, he'll be speaking to religious leaders on thursday, making it like he won't be paying attention to comey's testimony. robert costa of "the washington post" says that he hears the president may be tweeting on thursday, reacting
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to comey in real time. we have never seen that before, martha. president live tweeting address congressional testimony. >> martha: you can't make it up. it seems it's a possibility, as you report, as well, that the president could be weighing in while we are watching this. two men who were in that room for after two different takes and what happened. before i let you go, i want to ask you about the southerners that is breaking tonight, that jeff sessions may have offered to resign. friction between the president and jeff sessions over his decision to recuse himself. think of this could be explosive. i just spoke to a white house official. they say that they are not commenting on these reports we are hearing that jeff sessions at one point, offered to resign as attorney general. the president said, no, declined to accept that offer of resignation. nonetheless, the tension still exists because remember, what the president is mad at. he is mad that months ago jeff
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session recused himself from the russian investigations because of his own role in the trump campaign and the president believes that led to robert buehler being named as special counsel because they could not keep this investigation at the justice department. >> martha: it surfaced that he had had a meeting with sergey kislyak and all of that went into the big ball of wax. thank you so much. if you are now with more tonight, marc thiessen, former chief speechwriter for george w. bush and emily tisch sussman, campaign director at the center for american progress action fund. welcome to both of you. it strikes me also -- i think it's interesting that james comey -- he has been sending out little smoke signals about different things over the course of this. he hasn't spoken out since the said that he had notes and for that out there about his with president trump. the other thing that appears to be stuck in his craw and many with a rightfully so is that the president said he told him three times that he was not under investigation. that also may be something that
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he wants to come clean on and tell his side of the story on on thursday, marc. >> yeah, it's entirely possible. this is a self-inflicted wound by the president. he should have never fired james comey the way he did. he should have never insulted him. he shouldn't have put them at wow in the latter. he shouldn't have tweeted about him. all of this drama that is coming up or has been created by donald trump read what donald trump needs to do is treat this as a big wave that is coming at him and what to do with a big wave is you dock. you go under the water, let the waves pass, and then, get up and started swimming again. he needs to be president of the united states. he needs to stop tweeting about russia, stop tweeting about comey -- >> martha: i'm guessing that you would be against tweeting during the testimony? >> i'd be against live tweeting. that will be insane. what sean spicer said as of the president has a busy schedule, he'll be talking to religious leaders. he should just be as presidential as he can on thursday, let comey have his day. all of this buildup has come to this moment. let it happen. it will pass, people will talk
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about it. we'll talk less about it if donald trump doesn't pour blogs on a fire and gasoline by adding his own commentary. let it go away. dock the way up and move on to be president, for crying out loud. >> emily, i'm sure that everyone who is in opposition will be perfectly happy to let the waves go over and wash onto the shore. >> i couldn't be in stronger agreement with marc. trump is making a bigger deal. it ends up feeling like something out of "house of cards." the reality is, it's very serious. we do know that russians hacked the election, 17 different agencies. we know that trump fired comey. now, comey is being called to testify to what happened and whether he feels he was fired because of the investigation potentially into. that is very serious. that we should take seriously. to make it a large circus, the american people deserve better. they deserve a president who can
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focus on the issue at hand. he appears to be driven by narcissism and bad decisions. firing your nonpartisan fbi director in the middle of investigation as to whether or not a foreign power hacked into her election is a very big problem. >> martha: i want to get your thoughts on this. this is sean spicer at the briefing today. >> how would you describe the president's level of confidence in me attorney general jeff sessions? >> have not discussed it with him. >> last time you discussed it, there was a development. >> i'm answering a question, which is that i have not had a discussion. >> is a confident and his attorney general? >> i said i have not had the discussion. if i haven't had a discussion with him, i cannot to speak about. >> wow. >> they are only four months into the presidency, not great. >> martha: marc? >> the last thing that donald trump needs is more chaos.
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firing his attorney general, raising questions about whether he will fire his attorney general, these are things he does not need. what he needs to do is do what they did on his foreign trip for ten glorious days, there's not a single tweet about james comey or rush or fake news. he gave a great speech in saudi arabia. he met with the pope. he met with world leaders. he defused a crisis over intelligence leaks with the british. he was president for ten days. then, as soon as he came back, it was tweet storm. just stop. >> martha: that's a tongue twister. >> that's the best we give your presidency, keep it up. >> martha: thank you. we are out of time. coming up, still ahead, why these students may be very unhappy about the new pick of the education department and why he just may give mandy and america hope for higher education. ♪
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>> martha: the education secretary betsy devos maiming first amendment advocate adam kissel has her deputy for higher education. it is expected to brings a very big changes to college campuses. trace gallagher and the west coast newsroom has more tonight. >> he has long been the defender of students rights and economic freedoms, there are many who believe he will strongly push back against guidance that was issued during the obama administration, concerning cap his sexual violence, specifically the 2011 dear colleague letter that said, when it comes to sexual misconduct, colleges should not use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard but instead, a preponderance of evidence standard. in other words, more likely than not that a student is guilty. in a 2011 off ad published in "the huffington post," adam kissel wrote, quoting "how does it make sense to trust campus judiciaries with getting crimes right on the lower standards? when students often are not even allowed to have a attorneys are
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to face their accusers and cross-examine them." washington democratic senator patty murray, the ranking member of the senate education committee, has not responded to kissel's opponent, saying, "i am deeply troubledthr concerning sign that president trump plans to make it more difficult for survivors of campus sexual violence to get justice." democrats are also criticizing kissel the years of working for the coke foundation, which has given millions of dollars to create college programs that promote conservative and free-market ideas. he kissel himself has many times argued that colleges are intolerant of diverse ideas and silence those they disagree with. >> martha: fascinating. thank you. joining us with more, mollie hemingway,, sr., editor at the federalist, and richard fowler. welcome to both of you. richard, let me start with you. this is an issue that i have done an hour-long documentary on what's going on on campuses with
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these sort of judiciaries that are made up of three professors who have no necessary background in sexual assault cases, who decide the fate of the accused on their own and that accused is often not allowed to even have an attorney present. so, how is that due process? how is that right? out of the obama administration get away with that? >> here's the thing. i think we have to do more about how we deal with sexual assault on campuses. i'm not sure if this pick is the right pick to do that. i think that there is some middle ground that both conservatives and progressives in the senate can come to you on how we deal with this issue. my problem, kissel has more to do with having no experience. his position aims at helping institutions, providing guidance, providing guidance on how to them, and federal laws and what are the best practices in higher education. this individual has never worked for higher education, number one. number two, he has no experience in it.
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number three come i have no problem with the president getting his team but i would hope his team would be qualifie qualified. this guy is not qualified. >> martha: mollie, what do you think? >> his work in higher education policy has been for decades. he is one of the preeminent scholars on this. in terms of understanding the importance of free speech, for students and faculty, and understanding the importance of due process rights for students. there is no reason, no justification for a student losing their due process rights simply because they are on a college campus. it's quite disturbing that people might think that you don't have the due process rights. this is a guy who has literally written the book on these things, understands the importance of good guidance, good policymaking. something of the obama administration messed up on in terms of protecting first amendment and due process rights for students and is far overdue. >> mollie, one, he has no experience in actually administering policy, number two, he has no experience in writing policy. he's never written a law.
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without those two things, he's incapable of doing his job. >> the one thing we know is that most administrators at college campuses are doing a bad job administrating college campuses. >> martha: some of them have quite a bit of experience. >> he has been battling campuses that have problems where they don't --dash go >> he's been battling campuses, that's a qualification? >> when you look at what's happening on college campuses, there is a huge problem across the country where students aren't being educated. they are losing their rights. they can't have discussion. i think people recognize that it's time for a serious change. the fact of the federal government has been part of the reason why we are having a limitation of freedoms on campuses is something that needs to be corrected. >> it's his -- of his position only revolved around protecting freedoms on campuses, he would be qualified. but this position requires facilitation of programs for low axis, first generation students, individuals with disabilities, encouraging low income families
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to get involved in the higher education process. he is no experience in any of that. i'm not sure how we supposed to be able to do the job. >> martha: the education secretary is allowed to pick the person that she would like to be her deputy. >> absolutely. >> martha: they have things in their own agenda that they would like to put forward, including more tolerance, due process on campus. shouldn't she be allowed to pick the person that she'd like to help her in the work that she's doing? >> martha, obvious that betsy devos and kissel have an agenda. the agendas of the problem. is the fact that he's not qualified, remotely. >> martha: you made that point. we gotta go. thank you. coming up next, new developments tonight in a brutal death of penn state fraternity pledge timothy piazza. a story we have been following closely. the university has made changes you need to know about. is it too little, too late? the piazza family attorney thomas klein is here next.
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>> what is going on today? >> we have a friend who is unconscious. we probably need an ambulance. >> martha: that was a 911 call from penn state's beta theta pi fraternity back in february.
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the call came way too late to save timothy piazza government was 12 hours after he drank a dangerous amount of alcohol, hit his head multiple times, and was left for dead by his fraternity brothers. now, penn state says they are making changes in the wake of this horrific event. no underage drinking, and the university will take control of all investigations. that is not enough for the family of tim piazza. joining me now, thomas kline can maternity representing the family. welcome back to the show. what you make of it? >> the initiatives are just about. they are proposals. penn state has not taken any action. there is a difference between words and actions. we support the words. we now look forward to the actions. >> martha: the university has said that they will monitor and oversee. what do you think they mean by that?
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are they going to be standing in these fraternity houses or have a representative there during these pledging rights, also known as hazing? >> martha, that is the point. we don't know. the piazzas have asked for change. penn state has committed to change. change is needed throughout the country, and fraternity life and on campuses, where hazing underage drinking, and other abuses are out of control. the problem is, the devil is in the details. we don't have one detail on paper. we don't have one policy, one procedure, one regulation. any disciplinary rules actually put to paper. we there for -- therefore because of the resolution adopted by the penn state board of trustees literally says that the board of trustees authorizes it themselves and the president to get back to themselves to formulate an implementation of the policies. that is the difference that we
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have with penn state right now, not their motive, not their plan to make changes, but rather, what are these changes going to be? at penn state, there is a notorious and lengthy past year, which has led us to believe that there might not be fruitful, meaningful changes. we are looking for meaningful changes. that means the implementation of rules, regulations, policies, procedures. >> martha: we have detailed the video that exists of piazza's death, essentially, what led to his death. let's play a moment of my interview with the family about that video. >> i really don't want to see the video but when i have said is that if the president of the university and the board of trustees watch the video with me, i'll do it. if they are capable of making significant change and that is what we want to see. >> martha: have you ask them to sit down and watch it with you? >> i think after today, i have prayed >> martha: do you think you will do that? >> i don't know. >> martha: the president of
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penn state, just about 20 seconds. will that happen? will it make a difference? >> we'll see if it happens. the invitation remains open. it would make a difference because the president should not only carefully read every word of the grand jury report, but he should also see what actually happened. it's very painful, to state the obvious, for piazzas, for my clients for the president of the university she'd see what happened. >> martha: thomas kline, thank you very much. quick break and we'll be back with more. 10x softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can grow and multiply. polident is specifically designed to clean dentures daily. it's unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why dentists recommend polident. polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day.
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