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washington. "the story" with martha maccallum is up next. ♪ ♪ >> martha: breaking tonight, brand-new details on the gunman, a man who expressed his hatred for president trump, and then, open fire on republican members of congress. we can now put together the pieces of this attack that shattered the peace on the ball field, as we hear from someone who spoke with a gunman right before he started shooting. a good evening, everybody, i am martha maccallum, and this is "the story," and a beautiful washington, d.c., morning, lawmakers out there practicing for the beautiful congressional baseball game tomorrow night heard a loud crack and the words "he's got a gun." we are brought to show you the video that was taken by a man nearby. he was he wounded congressman steve scalise on the ground
can see the shooter down and upg toward steve scalise, you can see him lying there in the distance beyond that offense. in the aftermath, lawmakers giving a lot of credit to two capital bill hill police officers who saved many lives t. >> all of a sudden, there was a barrage of gunfire, blood on the ground in the dugout. steve laid out there for at least 10 minutes alone in the field. we couldn't get to him while they were shots. >> the heroes of the police officers who attacked the shooter. and in doing so, quite probably saved many, many lives. >> i called my wife and my children, told them, "i love you." "dad's okay."
>> martha: what her moments. they're shooting short on business, of course, and congress today and gave way to a rare moment of real solidarity that emerged on the house floor. watch this. >> we are united in our shock. we are united in our anguish. an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. [applause] >> martha: now, to the shooter, who was a man who railed against republicans since the days of ronald reagan. he came ready to kill as many of them as he possibly could. in the end, five people were injured, including two officers, a congressional staffer, a man who was working as a lobbyist, and congressmen and majority whip steve scalise. the congressman is in critical
condition tonight at george washington hospital. we are waiting for an update on his condition. we'll bring it to you as soon as we get it. a short time ago, we learned that the gunman did die in the hospital a bit earlier. chief national correspondent ed henry live at the white house with more on the shooter's possible motivation. >> good evening, martha. law enforcement officials tell us that they have only just begun to unravel the rage that led to this horrific incident. it includes facebook posts directed at president trump by the suspect. at this hour, officials at the atf say they are running a trace on james hodgkinson's two weapons, a rifle and a handgun, while fbi officials say that they are digging on his associates, his whereabouts, and yes, his motivation. that means cowering those social media impressions, especially a facebook page that showed him sp videos from rachel maddow, as well as msnbc.com. he shared a cnn video of an anti-trump climate change rally in which the shooter revealed he
was among the thousands of protesters here in washington. in one particularly nasty post on facebook, hodgkinson declared, "trump is a traitor. trump has destroyed our democracy. it is time to destroy trump and company." his facebook page also highlighted photos of senator bernie sanders, because he volunteered on his presidential campaign. sanders was very quick to deliver a speech on the senate floor, expressing regret over the incident and support for all of the victims while the president here at the white house talked about coming together. >> we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because, above all, they love our country. >> violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and i condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. >> back in january, 2011, just
three days after a gun down shot congresswoman gabrielle giffords and murdered six others, sanders sent out a fundraising issue hammering senator john mccain, where he declared, "mckay needs to stand up and denies the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the right wing and exert his influence to create a civil political environment in the state, meaning arizona." now, the shoop appears to be on the other foot, and the question will be whether democrats decry this left-wing rhetoric. >> martha: thank you very much. here now, congressman rhonda santos who spoke to the gunman moments before he opened fire. thank you for being here. i know it has been just an unreal day for all of you on capitol hill. we thank you for coming in tonight. you spoke with him? what was your exchange? with that he's a? how did it start? >> i was playing third base, jeff duncan, a colleague of mine, who i ride to the field with, was playing shortstop. i had said to jeff, we have had
a good workout, let's leave a little early so we can beat the traffic back to the hill. jeff agreed. we went back to get into one of jeff's aids cars, and i got into the backseat, jeff got in the passenger seat in the front, and a gentleman walked up and approached us, we were both in the car by now, and he said, hey, are those republicans or democrats at there? and jeff said, they are republicans. the guy immediately turned around and started walking to the field. if this was a little odd because we are just in a field in arlington, alexandria, virginia, 7:00 a.m., 7:10 in the morning. there would be no reason to be a spectator at this. but the guy in hindsight clearly knew that they were members of congress there and he wanted to know whether they were republican or democrat. once we got back to the hill, heard the news, jeff and i both said, we got to report this guy, it just sounds fishy. once they are identified him and we saw his photo, i said, jeff said, and jeff's aid, we said,
that is the guy. >> martha: it is unbelievable story. he came over to you. it was there any indication, was a caring anything? what can you tell us about his bearing, and his mood? was he sweating? that he looked calm? >> he was a little abrasive. i didn't see anything below his trust because i was in the back seats. i don't know if he was carrying anything. it is interesting, and the parking lot where we were, we were behind the first bayside bleachers. the capital police were not that far away, probably about 100 feet further up the first base line. there were security there. he went to the other side of the diamond and from that perch, by the third base line, which i had a couple of members of my team tell me when they got back to the hill, good thing you left because if you were sitting at third base, you would have been a sitting duck. >> martha: unbelievable. the shooting went on, we are told, for about 10 minutes. at what point did you realize,
as you are driving, did you start to hear the story? at what point did you put it altogether? >> it was what we had gotten back to the hill, and i was getting updates on my phone, but we were in the gym, showering, getting ready for the day. i saw it on tv, "scalise shot." that is a shocking thing. when you are there 20 minutes beforehand --dash go >> martha: you had just seen steve scalise. >> i was throwing him double-play balls. we are fielding ground balls, i was fielding balls, we did not have a dozen times, probably 10 minutes before he got shot. it was very surreal. once i got my phone, people had been contacting and jeff and i contacted capitol police, let them know what we knew about this individual. at the time, we didn't know what was the same guy. later, we found out it was. >> martha: what do you think the impact of this is, if any? there has been so much discussion this afternoon and this evening about whether or not this camaraderie leads to anything or have we just become so unheard to violence that we
sort of experience it and everything goes back to normal? >> i don't know any kind of big takeaways that will happen, if it will change her congress works. i think with this particular individual, given what he asked us about whether it is republican or democrat, given the information we now know about him, it is clear that this guy is somebody that was filled with rage, political rage, and he decided to take it out by trying to murder people and have the capital police not been there, with scalise, i think he would have killed and ten, 15 people. if the capital police weren't there, if steve had slept in this morning, we would have all been defenseless. i have a glove out there that can stop line drives and ground balls, not going to do very much with a rifle or a pistol firing at you. >> martha: what changes in terms of the security for members of congress, if anything? >> on the hill, there's a lot of security. now, we are off-site with this ballfield and it's never really
been an issue. we have thought about it, but in hindsight, you have ten and 20 members that will be out there at a given time, and every member of the leadership is not there, there is never necessarily been any security. martha, one of the things of the authorities need to figure out, how did this guy know about this? >> martha: he had been living nearby. he may have heard somebody talking about it. he wasn't working. he was sitting in his car for the last three weeks from what we can understand near the ymca. >> but why did he choose alexandria? i know he was protesting the president. he came from illinois. you can see that they were ball players out there, does not like we keep it a secret, for per se. i was wondering if there were social media chat or anything, what made him decide that he wanted to be in that area on that morning and he was interested and he was out there. >> martha: congressman, we are glad you are okay. we assume you will be at the game tomorrow night? >> i will be there. >> martha: thank you very much, sir. we are glad you're okay. while the baseball field was engulfed in yellow tape and evidence on congressman scalise
was in surgery, some wasted no time rushing to politicize the tragedy that happened this morning. case in point, democratic governor of virginia, terry mcauliffe near the scene. watch. >> we need to do more to protect all of our citizens. i have long advocated, this is not what today is about, but there are too many guns on the streets. >> there is not another person -- just one shooter? >> i talk about this every single day. this is a very serious issue. >> martha: joining me now, dana loesch, host of "dana" on ways to be and the nra spokesperson on the congressional baseball shooting. mark lays a senior advisor to guns down at the former executive director of every town, the nation's largest gun safety group. you can almost count the minutes after this happened, that this discussion would begin about where he got his gun, why he got that kind of gun, and the people who jumped in to stop them who thank god were armed and were on the scene.
as he watched terry mcauliffe, dana, what do you think? >> first and foremost, obviously, our prayers are with a congressman scalise for those individuals who were wounded in this attempted political assassination. bravo to the capitol hill police, as you heard other congressional members say, if representative scalise had not been on that field, with those two officers, who are afforded to him as a perk of being a member of leadership there, and the republican party and the house, they would have been sitting ducks. all they would've had with her gloves and their baseballs with which to defend themselves, it's amazing to me. this isn't a gun issue. the good guy saved the day. guns and save lives, this is what the story proves. furthermore, this isn't an issue about firearms. this is an issue about rhetoric. martha, this is an issue about a guy who has been feeding off of the poison that has been coming from comedians and shakespeare plays of assassinating
presidents that are playing in the park. this has been coming from bridge ehrlich rhetoric from the dnc chair and from the california democratic party who is a belief the republicans, they don't care about you. and individuals like this, they feed off of this poison. >> martha: i want to give mark a chance to respond. speak of these individuals -- five individuals, they were affd by this. we could have lost a loyal public servants, husband, and father. >> martha: mark, your thoughts? >> politics may have had something to do with what happened today. but for context, in san francisco today, four people are killed at a u.s. postal service facility, ups facility. tomorrow, 93 more americans will be killed with guns and the next day and the next day. by the way, the way the people in the united kingdom do politics makes it look like pattycake here in america. we have 25 times the gun murder rate of people in every western country and the reason is people give guns to just about everybody. we have to address that. >> martha: dana, what you stated that? the laws in virginia are fairly
loose, in terms of needing a permit to carry a gun. i know you don't think that is a legitimate argument so, tell us why. >> i would have to disagree with the statements. first off, i think it is silly to compare us to the u.k., specifically because they classify crimes differently and we can get into the weeds all day on that. i welcome any and all debate on that, i will be there anytime, anywhere. with that point, what happened in san francisco is also awful. i want to point out that the cdc report conditioned by former president obama in 2013 proved what we all knew. defensive gun use greatly outweighs criminal abuses. i definitely don't want anyone to be made a sitting duck just because a criminal may do something that they have every right to possess. guns and save lives and goblins saved the lives in alexandria, virginia. >> martha: we heard from brad wenstrup who felt like he was in iraq without his gun. i also want to put up a quote from steve scalise, who spoke out back in 2012 on gun control
after the gabby giffords and for incident. he said gun control want to stop bad people from doing bad things, rather, it will only hurt people who play by the rules prevent us from steve scalise, himself. marks, final comment? >> last year and just about year, we have somewhere around 32,000 gun murders, and we have about 214 justifiable homicides. everybody kind of knows that there is a public health i am epidemic guns. this claim -- trust me when one of the number for how many people's lives were saved? >> we don't know. part of the reason is that the nra won't let us do the research. >> that is a lie. commissioned in 2013 proved there was anywhere between 2.1 -- actually 500,000 to 2.3 million incidents annually. don't lie and say that the nra served in the way of that. it disrupt your narrative. at the same time, he had the audacity to claim that you are for gun safety. >> martha: we just spoke to a congressman who was there today who believes at least 15 lives were saved with a gun who were
held by the capitol police and the skill that they had to use them. we got to leave it there. thank you very much. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: breaking news coming to us just moments ago, a "real world security incident" a shot at travis air force base in california come about 25 miles east of napa california. security draws being conducted by fox news is being told that it is not related to that. we will keep you updated on this potential breaking news coming out of travis air force base in california. you can see the folks on the ground for scanning the situation. we are scanning it here, as well. we'll bring you the breaking news on that as we get it. also, the silver lining on a sad day for the united states. >> i ask each of you to join me to resolve, to come together, to lift each other up. >> martha: brit hume on whether or not the country can hold onto that message of unity in the wake of so much political
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>> martha: we are strongest when we are unified, powerful words from the president in the wake of today's chilling attack on g.o.p. members of congress. as they got together to practice for an annual charity baseball game that happens tomorrow night. it was a chilling and stunning morning, horrible for our country and so many ways. but also a day that generated some truly rare moments afterwards on capitol hill. upon hearing of the shootings, this is a picture of congressional democrats holding their own practice nearby, stopping in their tracks to pray for the republican colleagues who they had just learned had been attacked. then, this very powerful moment that happened on the floor of the house of representatives. watch this. >> we are united in our shock, we are united in our english. an attack on one of us is an
attack on all of us. [applause] >> there are so many images that we will not want to see again. but there is one image in particular that this house should keep. and that is a photo i saw this morning of our democratic colleagues gathered in prayer this morning after hearing the news. you know, every day we come here to test and to challenge each other. we feel so deeply about the things that we fight for other things that we believe in. at times, our emotions can clearly get the best of us. we are all imperfect. but we do not shed our humanity when we answer this chamber. for all of the noise at all of the theory, we are one family. >> to my colleagues, you can hear me say something you have never heard me say before. i identify myself with the remarks of the speaker.
they are beautiful remarks, mr. speaker. thank you so much for the sentiments that they represent. thank you so much. >> martha: here now, fox news political analyst brit hume. to have you with us tonight, brit. as he watched all of us have been tonight's, you the images that paul ryan says we want to forget. poor steve scalise, dragging himself on that baseball field, shot in the hip. people wondering -- i think my reaction was what is going on in this world? what is going on? what did you think when you heard about this this morning, brit? >> it's a horrifying episode. these members of congress have very tight security around the capitol complex. i think it was -- as your earlier gas pointed out, this was off-site, where i don't think they ever imagined anything like this would happen. this is where we are. we are living, martha, and the most poisonous political atmosphere that i can remember experiencing in my years as a reporter, going back nearly a half-century.
we have had turbulent times before. the year 1968 comes to mind, and which we had two assassinations. riots in the streets and riots at the party conventions. but the sheer loathing that people have for each other, people who are in politics have for each other and for our president at this stage, transcends even what we had to then. >> martha: social media just compounds it. you look at the hatred that is all over social media for the president and when you look at with this guy was saying, he had been lashing out at him for some time. he is obviously a very unhinged, or he was, rather, individual. that is what you have to sort of wrap your arms around. as a just one crazy individual who triggered this moment with his political thought? or is he a piece of something larger that we need to be concerned about? >> martha, i would say this.
let the investigation unfold and we'll find out whether there were others involved in it, how much of a psychotic this guy may have been or at least how sick he may have been. but remember this. there are reasons why, and the congress, there are rules and customs that dictate how members address each other. in the senate, for example, you are not supposed to address another senator directly. you are supposed to direct your remarks to the chair, to the presiding officer. that is for the purpose of keeping debates from getting so personal. in the house, there are rules about what you can say and what you can't say. from time to time, a member will engage in an outburst and his remarks can be taken down. expunged from the record. members can be reprimanded for that. this is because there is, to some extent, a beast within all of us. politics insights passions, very intense passions. everyone who is involved in our
debates these days might want to bear in mind that you stir passions of this kind, there can be consequences. i am not making a judgment about how this particular incident happened, although there are some obvious appearances to it. there are reasons for this. this isn't a novel idea that we should keep a civil tone with with each other. it has to some extent been lost in the modern era and it's regrettable. one might have thought, martha, the social media, by giving similar people a chance to be heard and heard by many others, might have been an outlet for this, and calm people down. it seems not to have been the case. >> martha: what one more question. it has been released just moments ago that the obstruction of justice investigation under robert mueller into the president is underway. your thought on that? >> "the washington post" is reporting that tonight's. the report is a little tentative but it says it begin right after the comey firing back on may 9th. more than a month ago. that is interesting. it is interesting that mueller
would supposedly be the person to do it's. not because there is anything wrong with bob mueller, but he is a friend, and thought to be quite a right. , of james comey. if comey is central to this investigation, it is not clear to me how mueller can ethically preside over investigation of his friend. this may have to be turned over to some other units. i am not sure which one, i'm not sure that would work. i am not clear how far along this investigation is or how far it will ever go. >> martha: we'll be on it. thank you very much, brit. good to see you tonight. coming up, a new move by the trump administration gives general mattis the say over the level -- the troop levels in afghanistan. general jack keane has some pretty compelling thoughts and his take on why that might be potentially a historical ramifications. senator kamala harris is crying sexism after she was asked to stop interrupting attorney general jeff sessions at the hearing. we are going to show you how this is not the first time that this kind of back and forth as happened with kamala harris. what is up with that?
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attorney general, something that has happened quite a few times recently. take a look. >> sir, i'm not asking about the principal. i am asking -- >> the chairman should be allowed to answer the question. he has the full independence, as authorized under the regulations -- >> are you willing to do -- because big will it senator suspend -- >> are you aware that -- >> will you let me answer before you interrupt me. >> sir, with all due respect -- >> excuse me, i'm asking a question. >> but i'm trying to answer the question. >> martha: you get the idea. senator harris using those moments to fund raise, tweeting, "the women of the united states and it will not be silenced when speaking the truth, truth. fight back." a link to the fundraising page accompanies the treat. ladies, welcome, good to see both of you. sexism? is that what is happening here? >> i don't think so.
i think you have to look at it and say, could it have been construed as disrespectful? may be. we all know when you are doing questioning, you are on the clock, and there are many of us that want to get 10 minutes worth of questions in on 5 minutes. we try to push through those. it is appropriate to give those that you are questioning time to respond. i wouldn't call exorcism. if every time i had been disrespected or felt that i had been condescended to origins diminish in some way, i never would have completed a conversation or gotten a bill passed or gotten a message out. >> martha: when you look at those exchanges, was it wrong for senator mccain and then to chairman to say that he should answer? >> the problem was that the attorney general jeff sessions was not prepared for that question, which i thought was patently absurd. when you are defending your
executive privilege with a doj policy that you can't even site, you can't even say whether your staff knows about it, it shows that -- >> martha: it is confidentiality with the president. he didn't like that -- that has been cited by many people in the past, including the obama administration. >> it's not a partisan issue. if you are an attorney general and you say there is a specific policy and you can't fight what it is, i think that any senator, male, female, has the right -- >> martha: that's the thing that bothers me about this argument. male, female. they're so much in this country about we don't want anything to be gendered. but as soon as anyone gets pushed back, their god place to go, often, is, i am being punished because i am a woman. give me a break. >> i think ag sessions was prepared for yesterday. i think that senator harris continued to go after one specific thing. >> it's a pretty big thing, though. >> martha: you are arguing the
substance of what was talked about. i am asking, is this sexism? she is fundraising on the fact that she was attacked because she is a woman. >> it is not sexism. >> there is more to it than that. >> it is not sexism. it is a partisan debate, yes. was the line of questioning partisan? of course it was. >> martha: do you think, having spent a lot of time on capitol hill, but if a man were badgering, which someone called the way that that exchange were going, because there is a record of them, which has showed all three, do you think he would be admonished? >> i don't know if there would be admonishments. >> martha: how is that not sexism? >> it is not sexism. >> if a man would have been treated the same way, how is that not sexism? they went so hard at the witnesses. >> they want at all of the different entities, the examples that were shown, would you say they are sexism? no. if a chairman feels like it is over the line, of course, --
>> martha: between senator mccain and chairman menendez from a while back. thus by that. >> let the record show, mr. chairman, that the witness would not answer a question. >> i would love the lord record reflect that the witness answer the question as he did. >> excuse me, would not answer either in the affirmative or the negative. >> martha: i would understand, jessica, she was saying, "don't cut me off, i am senator." >> she said that last week. >> martha: we went right to the elizabeth warren fundraising comparison, which i just find, as a woman, i find that argument offensive. >> i understand that and i take that point. i think it's an important conversation to be having on both sides. i would refer to what i originally set, which is in this line of questioning, there is a strong argument to be made that senator ron wyden went harder at ag sessions. no one said anything. kamala harris cut off the second
time -- >> in the past couple of weeks, she is on this three times. >> there is a history of her going after -- >> kamala harris has barely been in the senate. she is a newcomer. she had been a prosecutor. >> what she has done and the course of the day, and as we look at civility and discourse, what we all need to take from this is that it is important for us to realize that in those chambers, and the house, and in the senate, we have a responsibility to abide by the rules. the decorum of the house. i think that that is an important -- now, i would say, may be kamala harris did not know that they were doing a fundraising letter on this. i don't know. >> i think should be happy to fundraising off of it come after what happened to elizabeth warren in february, "nevertheless she persisted. >> this is not an isolated issue
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three. former champion boxer floyd mayweather junior coming out of retirement to fight mixed martial arts superstar conor mcgregor on august 26, warehouse, and vegas, baby. finally, the young woman at the center of a scandal involving the show "the bachelor" is speaking out. corinne olympios saying that she is "the victim" in the victim over -- and the controversy over alleged sexual controversies. "as a woman, it is my worst nightmare now has become my reality." also developing tonight, the head of i.c.e. not mincing words as to how the trump administration tackles illegal immigration. yesterday, he appeared on capitol hill in a hearing that was largely overshadowed by attorney general jeff sessions testimony on russia. it was no less dramatic as he told lawmakers no one, not even on criminals, should expect a free pass. >> if you are in this country illegally and you committed this crime by entering the country, you should be uncomfortable, you should look over your shoulder.
you need to be worried. if we wait for them to violate yet another law against the citizens of this country, it is too late. we shouldn't wait for them to become a criminal. no population is off the table. >> martha: strong words. david wohl is an attorney. paul bultmann regards as a democratic strategist. welcome to you both. david, let me start with you. we spoke with general kelly a wild back. he talked about the status of being in this country illegally plus, as if you have to be here illegally and then do something, even a bee speeding ticket, running a red light, a larger crime than that. that is what puts you in the category. what has changed? >> should come as i -- it should come as a surprise to no one that president trump is running on a strong platform of immigration laws. he did make it clear, the i.c.e. administrator, the thing one conduct raids on homes or
businesses dress on the status of illegal immigration. however, the change, i believe, is that minor detentions possibly for traffic offenses, possibly for minor misdemeanors, could lead to immigration detention because the status is a violation, the status is a crime of being here illegally. that could lead to the deportation. it could affect millions. that is been sanctuary cities will kick in. that is where places like here in los angeles, the obstructionism promised by the mayor and the police chief, could create a massive showdown over federal funding. >> martha: there is a case in new york state. diego my canal and his mother, rosa, who were pulled out of their house. my question, pablo, will we see a summary like this? >> let's hope not. telling an entire population to look over their shoulder never makes innocent people more safe way that is something we have to contend with. especially, one of the most partisan debates today is the immigration debate.
rather than escalate the partisan rancor, i think it is important to acknowledge that what my side wants is 11 million amnesties. what president trump has insinuated is the removal of an entire generation of our community. when i say our community, i mean the hispanic community. i think we have an opportunity now, given the tragedy of the day, to come together and have a conversation on this topic, where too often, we just yell at each other. if anything, i don't know, david, if you will be in washington, d.c., tomorrow. let's go to the baseball game, let's work this thing out. >> martha: david? >> i am a los angeles dodgers fan. there is no question. a lot of people in the country illegally are actually amenable or have the ability to become legal and don't know it. >> martha: david, the president told the dream act kids that they were okay. he said he had sympathy for them. a speaker the problem is that there are exceptions to that that will be enforced, so, if
daca kids commit crimes, they wt to be, they will be over over e border. that is gotta be something that everyone watches out for. >> martha: we are out of time. thank you very much. a remarkable move, president trump has just given mattis the authority to direct troop levels in afghanistan. what is behind the? general jack keane is here on how big a move this really is. ♪ [team member] so, how can i help you? [customer] have you ever walked into the paint store feeling like you should really know more than you know? satin versus semi-gloss, and...i don't know! [team member] yes...i know the feeling. [customer] that's how i feel right now about all the financing options for this project i'm doing. i feel like i should know more than i know. [team member] don't sweat it. we have this new tool--my credit options guide-- that gives you a customized comparison like this, which helps you discover which credit options might be right for you. [customer] oh, this is better. they should make one for paint.
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♪ >> martha: a very rare move by a sitting president. president trump giving defense secretary james mattis the authority to manage on his own the troop levels in the war zone. what does this mean for the president's role in the war on terror? here now, fox news military analyst, general jack keane. good to see you. why did they do this? >> first of all, i think we have gone from obama to trump the delegator. >> martha: sounds like a 360. >> i got some empathy for the president. here's what i think is happening. he is frustrated that he has to deal with this. it's a disgrace that after 16 years we haven't crossed the taliban and and a political settlement. here's where we are. i think he is frustrated by that. he doesn't have unanimity. he doesn't have -- the director of the national security
council, h.r. mcmaster's, brought forward a plan to increase the troop density. the pentagon agrees with that. i think some of his political advisors don't really think it is a liability for him to escalate a war under his leadership. i suspect the president probably has some frustrations along those lines himself, that he has got to get involved in a war. >> martha: he is commander in chief, though. >> but he is still accountable for this. he is allocated to mattis, mattis will come up with a plan and a strategy. he will bless the plan and he will be accountable because he is the commander in chief. >> martha: if you are general mattis, would you be comfortable or uncomfortable? if he commits more troops and it turns into a disaster and a large loss of life, is this president, president trump, going to say, i left it up to him? it was his deal? >> he is capable of that, isn't he? he has done things like that before. [laughs] i don't think it bothers mattis at all. i think what mattis is traveled
by is that he has a war that is not winnable, we are losing to the taliban, it is largely as a result of failed obama policies because we pulled the troop out too early, we took apart the afghan national army, pulled out all of its enablers that made an effective army. its communications, intelligence, and t ied -- because we were in a much bigger effort or none at all. because you have to make up your mind. >> martha: what do you think mattis also? >> i think you will try to put in something decisive that will push the taliban back where they were and get a political settlement. >> martha: in terms of looking at this, general mattis and president trump, how closely -- i remember we heard that president obama barely picking up the phone to talk to people like generals, do you see him as much more engaged? >> he is very involved. he is like president bush. he talks to them on a regular basis, has a sense of what they are feeling.
president trump, like president bush, has enormous trust and capabilities of these leaders. i think that is part of the reason he sang, go ahead figure it out, mattis. >> martha: general jack keane, thank you very much. always good to see you, sir. when we come back, the quote of the night from the person we were just speaking about, the president of united states, president trump, on a very tough night for america. ♪ ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,...
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♪ >> martha: pictures of those who were wounded today and the heroes, the police officers that you see a picture there, as well. our thoughts and prayers are with us all of them. our quote of the night. >> we can all agree that we are blessed to be americans. that our children deserve to grow up in a nation of safety and peace, and that we are strongest when we are unified.
and when we work together for the common good. >> martha: a happy 71st birthday today to president trump. we want to know your stories. tweet us at @thestoryfnc using #story. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." this morning, a gunman opened fire on a group of republicans practicing for the annual congressional baseball game, a charity. the shooter, a man called james hodgkinson skin, enthusiastic progressive and a bernie sanders of porter, who appeared to have dramas for ideological reasons. before opening fire, he asked whether the baseball players were democrats or republicans. [gunshots]