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we start at 9:00 a.m. eastern. we go through until 12:00 noon. politics and money, that's what we do. that's what we cover. specialists are next. >> eric: i am eric bolling with kat timpf and eboni k. williams. we are "the fox news specialists" ." you are looking at nationals stadium where just two hours from now the annual congressional ball game will start just a day after a crazed gunman attempted to assassinate a field filled with republican representatives because of a hatred of donald trump and right-leaning government. the game will raise over $1 million for charities like the boys & girls club of greater washington and the newly created capital memorial police fund. the fact that the game is on schedule testament to american
pride, courage, and tenacity. your thoughts, kat. >> kat: we bounce back. it's great to see people come together and support this. >> eboni: 100%. that are than ever. last year they raised about half a million. this year they raised over a million. the spirit of tenacity and the american way. >> eric: this will be the 80th meeting, the tiebreaker. former governor of arkansas, radio talk show host and best-selling author and a former presidential candidate. he specializes in hunting and music. not at the same time. mike huckabee is here. and he once worked at the securities and exchange commission, fox news contributor, and associate editor of the editorial page of "the wall street journal." naturally he specializes in economics and financial issues. james freeman is here.
yesterday i suggested less vitriol. i cited example after example of liberal politicians and celebrities using deadly metaphors for their dislike of trump policies but instead of a mia coble, nancy pelosi decided it wasn't their fault and called out republicans for the attack on, wait for it, republicans. >> i think the comments made by my colleagues are outrageous. the the dignity of we would like congress to command. how dare they say such a thing? >> eric: more and more divisiveness from the left. >> when did she say this? yesterday or today. my gosh. everyone will say, how long will the civility last. now we know not very long. i remember after 9/11, you had
members of congress standing on the capitol steps singing "god bless america." that didn't last but a few days either. it's unfortunate. i think we need to remind ourselves that would make this a great nation is the fact we can disagree we can even yell and scream at each other. that's part of america. what we can't do is shoot each other. and we have to come to a place where we understand that there is something we don't talk about very much but this is the heart of how to fix it. it's called morality. if people had a moral conscience in which they said "i value you as a person." i don't value what you stand for, i don't agree with it but i value you and i would do nothing to hurt you or impede your ability. that's where we are lacking. >> eric: when you have crazy people mixed in. the governor's right. morality would say let's take a step back, take a breath and maybe ratchet down the rhetoric. a lot of crazy people are listening to these politicians,
celebrities, media personalities. thinking they mean business. >> james: what's may be disturbing is that there's actually no evidence this guy was crazy. there's no history as far as we've seen in media accounts of psychological illness, psychiatric issues. obviously a very bad guy even before the shooting but you struggle to understand this. obviously you get yourself into trouble assigning blame for these things to people who are not the shooter. but i think it's a moment where it would be nice if, for example, critics of the president stopped calling themselves the resistance as if they are akin to the french fighting in world war ii. that's now we have here in this country. >> eric: also the resistance on social media. to resist and also antifa, the antifascist movement.
>> james: as if we have a fascist government in the united states. may be the "bernie sanders is my president" t-shirt ought to go. >> kat: you don't want to get rid of a nice t-shirt if you like it. the shooter, bad guy. has a history of being cruel to animals, children, his girlfriend. he's a bad guy. we need to make sure not going too far in blaming people. shooter's fault. he was an adult. his fault. when something like this happens, you should be inspired to cover for the sake of goodness, want to join together because some thing like this happened. >> eric: when the other side of the political spectrum and the crazy people on the opposite side look at the other side being not only just a political nemesis and opposite to their views. when they start to feel a physical threat, that's when we get in trouble. a lot of people aren't as rational as the people on this set.
>> eboni: as governor huckabee was speaking, i hear you speaking about a moral compass, treating each other like human beings. we are human beings. what we have are people who don't just hate donald trump because of a border wall policy are don't hate barack obama because of obamacare, they despise their essence of who they are and what they represent. >> eric: brings up two examples that showcases how the left is using more and more violent methods to make their political points. check this out. the berkeley, california, riots in february where a right-wing provocateur was set to speak on campus which instead devolved into absolute chaos when left-wing goons went on a rampage, leading to the cancellation of the event. also second, this past weekend, a far left counter demonstration
attacked anti-sharia law protesters holding rallies across the country. governor, i got beat up a little bit for a monologue blaming the left but these are left-wing protesters getting more and more violent. >> mike: berkeley was once the center of the free speech movement. when i was a teenager, it was where people were writing to make sure other people could be heard. now they are writing so that people can't be heard. i'm wondering, where are those aging hippies, those once we get free part d medicare drugs who ought to be mellowed out enough to be able to say hey, kids. we were fighting for right to hear a speech you didn't like, not to shut it down. it concerns me that people don't understand the genius of america is that we can have speech we disagree with what we do have to be -- we don't have to be disagreeable when we hear it. >> eric: people who felt like they have been left behind by the economy, by america. they see the left-wing protest get violent, they start to say i
want to be part of that and they are going to make it bigger and bigger to call attention to whatever their thing is. >> kat: i don't think it's anyone's fault but a murderer when a murderer happens. it's important to say that. for many reasons, it's very clear that the rhetoric on both sides has gotten heated. when you're talking about protests and speeches, you don't see right-wing people protesting left-wing stuff like that. i will say that. but overall there is nothing beneficial about slinging vitriol back and forth. it doesn't have to be a case where, don't fling this kind of hatred because this is going to happen. we shouldn't fling this kind of hatred no matter what. >> eric: taking the protest of the next level of violence and rioting is partly responsible for things like what happened yesterday. >> kat: the man who shot those people is the one responsible for shooting most people. >> eboni: kat is right.
i want to get to something james said. i think what we are all talking around and touching on a bit is the hysteria that some people are finding themselves around political disagreements. it's no longer a normal thing. it's to me broaching a place of absolute hysteria playing out in a violent way. >> eric: i don't know if we can do that second clip. last weekend in new york, anti-sharia protesters were calm, they were protesting in their first amendment right. the opposite said we don't like what you represent, it became violent. it was the left-wing beating up on the anti-sharia protesters. >> james: attempted political assassination on wednesday this week was on a much higher level, and we should react more. this is a growing trend of more
violent attempts to silence people. not to blame anyone for particular actions but if we are talking about why is the first amendment no longer respected, why is free speech no longer respected across the political spectrum, you have to put some of the blame on hillary clinton who basically led a campaign to prevent people from making a movie about her. people on the left say citizens united as if this was some great horrible stain on american history. what it said was you can make a movie criticizing hillary clinton and you can get people to distributed. >> eboni: i am no hillary clinton fan but you are not connecting hillary clinton to what happened yesterday. >> james: i am not at all. not assigning any blame to any violence. to get back to your question about where does tolerance for the first amendment go? don't we believe in free speech anymore? >> eric: are we allowed to
say, we cite an example of democrats saying the republican health care law will kill you. it will kill your children. nancy pelosi herself said it's deadly. isn't -- free speech, yes, we all agree but there's a line where free speech becomes dangerous. >> eboni: i don't like it either but when barack obama came out with the affordable care act, they thought it was socialism. they called him a socialist. people in the tea party said that type of socialism will kill us and kill america. the languages out there. >> mike: i think the reason this gets so overheated is because it is all some people d do. they have a one-dimensional -- i watch news all day long. i tell them i feel sorry for you. listen to some music.
put a cork and a hook in the water and catch some fish. take a walk. do something else with your life. >> kat: nothing but hate. >> mike: that will make anybody crazy. have some good barbecue. >> eric: when the shooter belongs to a facebook group called terminate the republican party and former attorney general loretta lynch says in a video talking about protesting, they have marched, bled, and some have died. we have done this before. we can do it again. i don't know. it feels like we have ventured beyond free speech into dangerous speech. >> kat: there is dangerous speech that's free speech. i am talking about free speech grade whenever i talk about free speech on the show, people think i mean good speech. i wouldn't say it's good speech. it's certainly not nice and some is dangerous. but it is under the first amendment. what do we do about it? i don't want the government to be deciding what is and what isn't acceptable speech.
>> eric: no, no, don't get me wrong. i'm not suggesting a law that limits someone from saying that health care law could be deadly or is deadly. i am saying we can point the finger at these lawmakers and say you are at least partly responsible. a mitigating factor. >> eboni: i think you are talking about human decency and we can agree it would be nice to return to. >> eric: members of the mainstream media sinking to new lows following yesterday's congressional shooting plus a remarkable exchange between eboni and ted nugent on her radio show earlier today. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire
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followed a backlash. the times has issued a correction. it didn't stop sarah palin from taking a facebook. >> a biased media blame game is attempting to destroy innocent people with lies and more fake news." i had hoped the media had matured since the last attack. governor huckabee. >> mike: i totally agree with sarah palin. my word would be you go, girl. "the new york times" has been recklessly irresponsible. i call them the new york slimes and the washington compost. i no longer have respect for them as journalism. sarah palin has floated the idea that she might sue them. god bless her. i hope she does.
>> james: people canceling their subscriptions. >> mike: they are going away but it's not fast enough. >> eric: if the editorial page any blatant error like this, can you imagine. >> james: even after they corrected it, they are still smearing her. i think maybe they think they have legal cover but it still ties her without any facts to the 2011 attack. >> eric: sarah palin had a map showing congressional districts that she thought were vulnerable or available to republicans to pick up and there were targets on them. not on the people but on the districts. >> kat: he had become obsessed with his hatred for giffords years before that. i am a writer and i write columns and before i publish or submit something, i make sure it's true. i make sure there is nothing in that is made up crazy banana
land garbage. they should try. we have google. >> eboni: you do a fantastic job and here's the difference. i am someone who read the times consistently before this election. they had to come out and admit postelection they had wronged their base, their readership. and they apologize. hopefully it's going to get better and instead what we are seeing is this type of thing. is there a way they can come back for it or have they gone off a cliff? >> james: they could apologize but i guess it would start to lose its impact after a while. one thing, as many errors as there were in that editorial, one thing they did do, and i'm sure it killed them to do it, they said good job, donald trump, on the way you handled the aftermath of the shooting. that couldn't have been pleasant. i can't even imagine them having to sit down and type that out. >> eboni: speaking of all of this heated political rhetoric
it, i spoke with a guy today who is more than familiar with controversy. ted nugent gave an unexpected take on yesterday shooting. >> i think we have reached critical mass. i tend to agree we had a bit of a confrontation because of some of the language i've used. i have reevaluated my approach. even though i am a street fighter. i am from detroit. we use language in the street, harsh terms. but at the tender age of 69, my wife has convinced me i can't use of harsh terms. i cannot and will not encourage my friends and enemies on the left that we have got to be civil to each other. the whole world is watching america, where you have the god-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and we have got to be
more respectful to the other side. >> eboni: eric bolling, how about those apples? >> eric: [laughs] >> eboni: the last time ted nugent was here, you were sitting right beside me. >> eric: it is like anthony weiner giving you a speech on fidelity. i am shocked. that's when he does. he's a provocateur. to say -- >> eboni: >> eboni: i consummat. i said i'm not going to declare you the next mlk but it's an important step. >> eric: admitting you have a problem is the step to recovery. >> eboni: i thought it was classy, mature. two weeks ago he doubled down, called into our show, pushed back on me calling him out about his comments on president obama. today he said i still hate obamacare, i hate the
left-leaning policies, still love guns, but there's a better way to do it. >> mike: i have hunted with ted nugent. he's a great guy. he is one of the most tender hearted people you will ever be around and a lot of what people hear from ted, it's his personality. it's his way of doing it, but he's doing it with a great sense of humor and surprisingly real respect for other people. he just comes out there like a herd, a stampede. >> eboni: he said now when i am singing, people are taking it -- people are taking it literally. if this is a consequence, what happened to representative scalise, we can't do it anymore. seems like he is ready to take a step back. >> james: if he is ready to settle into a statesman role.
>> eric: he is going to start playing the harp. >> eboni: i have confidence. i am going to take you at your word and you're going to die litvack. leakers striking again, this time revealing robert mueller is reportedly investigating president trump for possible obstruction in the russia probe but the president and his legal team are punching bag. stay with us.
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individuals inside the united states government, whether it was fbi or special counsel's office, leaked information about the president of the united states to "the washington post," information about a supposed investigation, that's a crime. we can say it's outrageous, irresponsible. the leak of this information is a crime. >> kat: eboni, what do you think? >> eboni: leak used to be automatic crime. now that people are using it, more cavalierly. this is a problem and i'm not going to defend the leaks. maybe this time it's not the biggest problem but the next time, maybe it interferes with national security, as we have seen in other leaks. now we have threatened security interests. we have to stop them. >> eric: we definitely have leaks. and we don't seem to want to investigate them but we have allegations of collusion with no
evidence, but we are seven investigations in. trump's tweet was amazing. "crooked h destroyed phones with hammer, 'bleached' emails, and had husband meet with ag days before she was cleared and they talk about obstruction?" great points. >> kat: i think he really missed saying "crooked hillary"" you have to show intent to corrupt. >> eric: we don't see these investigations, special counsel, seven different groups. >> mike: this is not happening because people are on a truth squad mission. it's not happening because people truly care whether or not donald trump is telling the truth. this is happening because people want to discredit and delegitimize his presidency. this is as close to a coup
d'état as we are going to see without the use of weapons. that's what i believe this is about. the fact that there is leaks that continually pour out, always anonymous sources. illegal. i'm glad we recognize that that's a crime. to do this stuff. let's ask ourselves, why is it happening expect it's happening to discredit and completely distract donald trump from being president. >> kat: it's interesting they haven't found any evidence of collusion but what do you think will be in a situation where maybe he was obstructing the investigation into a fake crime. it's so bizarre. >> james: a lot of levels to this prayer let's assume for the moment it's true. he would hope mueller would be focusing his resources on finding whether there actually is a premise to his investigation. whether there really wasn't any collusion. then as we think about the sources on the story, while max,
five people in an investigation or leaking? when i was in the occ, i didn't work and enforcement but the people who did took it seriousl seriously. nonpublic information about a matter being investigated. journalists, we try to get leaks all the time. it's not easy and less you're getting background on cases already brought. >> eric: the problem is we are spending so much time doing this, there are administration officials who have to testify, they are being deposed. donald trump is trying to put together an administration, put together a policy going forward, trying to get the country back in shape and he's spending his time worrying about who's going to say what about him, who was going to leak what anonymously. licking anonymously. >> mike: they are not defeating him at the polls, they are not defeating him on a policy level.
the stock market is gangbusters great he is building relationships across the world that we haven't had in a long time. they can't beat him on the policy level. >> eboni: i would tell him look the other way. he needs to focus on his agenda, whatever it is, keep going with the economic plan, infrastructure, tax cuts. push the agenda forward so he can be well positioned for 2018. if there is nothing there, which i will say this is where the leaks are costing those. if you are looking at this and wanting something to come of it substantively, the leaks make me not take the investigation as seriously. >> eric: as a lawyer, how much time and mental capacity when you are the target of a lawsuit. you wonder who was going to say
what, if they are going to live. >> kat: you are saying you would not advise your clients to tweet out about how what they are accused of doing is nothing to what hillary clinton has done. >> eboni: when you are the target and the subject, it is hard to look the other way. he can't control what robert mueller is going to do so we needs to focus on what he can control. >> eric: the left didn't care when hillary -- hillary clinton sold the russians 20% of our uranium production breed that was no big deal. but donald trump, have to find collusion. >> james: 's tweet was entertaining. if i was trump, i would leave it to the lawyers. i agree with eboni. if robert mueller wants to keep it, he will not have it look like a political operation. >> kat: of next, the jury deadlocked in bill cosby's
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>> eboni: welcome back to "the fox news specialists." our specialists are governor mike huckabee and james freeman. he said-she said it is essentially with the bill cosby trial has come down to. in the age of armchair detectives and lawyers, juries appreciate evidence like dna, fingerprints, forensics, eyewitnesses. proof beyond a reasonable doubt. the cosby jurors can't seem to get there. the seven men and five women determining the fate of america's dad remains deadlocked. as is the case with most sexual assault, there are no eyewitnesses. dna and fingerprints wouldn't
help because mr. cosby's defense is that his contact was consensual. comes down to the single most important element, credibility. will the jurors believe cosby? help shine a light on black excellence in this country. or will they believe ms. constand? she paints a very different picture. one of a disgusting predator who used drugs to disarm women. cosby admitted the part about the quaaludes in his deposition. over 60 women have come forward with accusations. everybody wants a conclusion to this american tragedy. it is important that jurors get this right and deliver a verdict despite how difficult and heart wrenching the processes for all
involved. mr. cosby should continue to enjoy the presumption of innocence but our jury system will provide closure. we haven't got it yet. >> eric: can they retry the case? and they retry with different accusers? >> eboni: we don't know if we don't get a verdict. they are deadlocked. the judge said go back, and that is common with this kind of case in this much emotional cost at stake. if they don't get there, it will look different if they try it again. the prosecutors want 13 ledgers to testify. either the judge says i don't want another deadlock so they let multiple women. maybe that will bolster the prosecution's case or they might see it was too prejudicial and no other witnesses testify. >> kat: what else is common is
guys getting away with it. one woman says somebody assaulted me and they say why didn't you report it? the real world is not law & order: svu. one of if you word against his and he is a guy who has power over you. who do you think people are going to believe and who are people going to want to believe? people should think about it in terms of when we talk about sexual assault in this country and why it is so hard for women to go public. >> eboni: kat is making a point that a lot of women feel. either we know someone or ourselves. the other side is if that happened, we know she called bill cosby over 70 times interest that it was within her role in the basketball program. from the male point of view, does it wash? >> james: i don't know if i speak for all males but i would say for anyone looking at this case, if he doesn't beat the rap, and i guess when the jury is deliberating this long, if
you are the defense, maybe you start to get more confident. if he does end up beating it, you hope it is because he's innocent and not because, over 13 years. >> kat: i don't believe these women are lying. >> james: over 13 years, evidence that might've helped her is not available anymore. >> eric: context here. 20 years ago i was dating, living with one of the accusers. she never accused him back then but she would tell me that bill cosby did do these types of things. i was appalled. bill cosby would do something like that? years and years went by there we lost touch and i noticed she is not in the trial but one of the 60. i think kat is right. just because you don't accuse someone right away doesn't mean he's not guilty. >> kat: sometimes you have to continue to work with them. and a lot of times because you
continue to work with them is why they do this. >> eboni: it was hard for a lot of americans to wrap their minds around because they knew bill cosby as a comedian. a generous philanthropic standpoint. he's given millions of dollars to education. it becomes hard. from a humanity standpoint, from a spiritual standpoint, people being good in one way, possible to do something very bad and another? >> mike: it is one of the realities of humanity. people can do things. compartmentalize it. do horrible things. i don't know what bill cosby did. i have no idea. every time i hear this story, i want to take a shower. bill cosby was such a role model for many young men and he talked about what was important in terms of getting an education, being responsible, don't expect other people to give you something you didn't work for. a lot of values he was promoting publicly that we needed and that
were worthwhile. i hate to see all of that totally thrown away, and if he did this stuff, then his legacy won't be those years of comedy and the years of being a role model. it's going to be the sexual predator. >> kat: i believe you. >> james: you are not going to have closure if he beats the ra rap. >> eboni: ahead, the family of otto warmbier, the american student brought home from north korea, lashing out at the regime for his brutal treatment. stay with us. ♪ ♪ award winning interface. award winning design.
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>> eric: you are looking at a live feed from nationals park in washington, d.c., where the congressional baseball game is about to kick off at 7:00 p.m. eastern. it's a benefit baseball game. we were told president donald trump will deliver a video statement before the game starts. we will keep our ears out for that. if it happens during the hour, will let you know. keep it here on fox news.
otto warmbier's home in cincinnati but not in good shape. a team of doctors who have examined him held a press conference today detailing the state of otto, a state of unresponsive wakefulness. there is zero evidence of botulism. north korea blamed his vegetative state on his contracting botulism. what kind of treatment do they expose him to that would render him almost brain-dead? governor, your thoughts. the pictures of him being escorted back to the united states brain-dead. north korea said it was due to botulism. the doctor said no. >> mike: i have to react as a father. if this were my son, i would do anything to get him back, anything and i would be so angr angry. i think what we are seeing is a revelation, not that we needed it, that the north koreans are
an absolutely unmitigated disaster of a government. they have no real sense of integrity, honor, decency. then you ask the question, why would any student group go to north korea? you can't look at that movie and say there's going to be happy ending. that would be the question period why did the student group go there? >> eric: let's talk about the economics of it. china has to see this and say maybe we need to rethink our north korea policy. >> james: let's hope so. i think this is one of those tests of whether donald trump, "the art of the deal closed " gn find a way to get china to ship as the paint -- to participate in harsh economic sanctions. they don't want to do it but that's the test. >> eric: one of the issues is
the doctors said it's not a temporary condition. it is extensive brain damage. >> eboni: not that we needed any more evidence, as the governor said, the complete unconscionable ability of north korea with such wanton disregard for human life. there you have it. >> eric: doesn't warrant -- i am asking because i know we are probably on similar feelings, doesn't warrant military response? >> kat: what are we going to to do? honestly. the botulism thing is garbage. they are probably laughing when they say that but we are talking about a place where other people lived there think it's true and think we are the ones going after them. it's really, really a sick, disgusting situation. >> mike: it is not just that this is the only guy north korea mistreated. they mistreat millions of their own people. their people are reduced to eating lawn clippings because they don't have food. they are starving to death. they don't have utilities.
this is a regime, i don't know there's any hope for it. i don't think there is an reform that's going to work. it may be that we tell china, why don't you annex north korea. that may be the only solution. they would be better off under chinese leadership then they would be under this nutcase. >> james: it is an old-fashioned marxist dictatorship. i think kids who think it's fun to wear t-shirts with -- but i think it says a lot about china that you have to go to all this effort to persuade them to stand away from this monstrous dictatorship. it's not hopeless, but it going to take probably a very long term, determined effort by the president to bring it around. >> eric: tonight, be sure to watch "tucker carlson" he has an emotional exclusive interview with otto warmbier's father and
how he and his wife are dealing with what happened to their son. >> we are doing okay. i worry about cindy a little bit. i think she worries about me. we are taking it a moment at a time, a day at a time and i think we're going to support each other like we agreed to do. we are adjusting right now. we are adjusting to a different reality. >> eric: that interview airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight on fox news. when we return, we circle back with our specialists. do not go away. ♪
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>> kat: time to circle back with our specialists, mike huckabee and james freeman. governor, you said you went hunting with ted nugent. many times? >> mike: several times. he had one of the best hunting dogs i've ever seen in my life. ted nugent is one of the great americans. he is a gentle, caring, great guyanese more fun to be within you can imagine. >> eric: my question for the governor, there is one sarah huckabee sanders, deputy press secretary. i'm going to ask you question. i'm guessing you're not going to answer. will she be become the next press secretary? >> mike: i don't know. she doesn't either.
she really likes sean spicer, likes working with him, respects him a lot. >> eric: would you want that for her? it's a tough job. >> mike: i think my daughter is up to anything. she's great at what she does. i am proud of her. she is a tough cookie. don't ever underestimate a southern woman. when she starts a sentence with "bless your heart," you know you are in trouble. >> eboni: james, what would you advise president trump to tweet moving forward around this issue of the russian probe? >> james: i think you should tweet about no topics currently under investigation. i think he should tweet about arnold schwarzenegger's ratings. tweet about rosie o'donnell, that's great. hunting with ted nugent. the specialists. >> kat: thank you to our fox news specialists today, governor mike huckabee and james
freeman. we thank you all for watching. make sure to follow us on social media at specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook remember, 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" is next. take it away. >> the national pastime in the nation's capital one night after what could've been a national tragedy. this is "special report" ." good evening. i am john roberts infrared firebird we are an hour away from the first pitch in what is normally a low-key annual charity baseball game. between republicans and democrats in congress. this year's edition is anything but normal. the number three republican in the house, steve scalise remains in critical condition after being shot yesterday during a morning practice session in virginia. a lobbyist who was shot has been upgraded from critical to serious condition.