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tonight is about a lot of things, it is about to baseball, it is about camaraderie, and whether there is hope that this act of political violence by a man whose hatred of republicans led him to attack them while they were practicing baseball on the field of virginia can possibly lead to greater unity. congressman roger williams and his legislative aide lived the hill that unfolded yesterday morning and they are here tonight in solidarity but we can peter doocy whose live with the breaking details on majority whip scalise's condition tonigh tonight. >> the republicans have gone to their dog out, the democrats have gone to their dugout, each of those political parties associated with the colors red and blue but tonight if there is a lot of purple and gold on the field, the republicans and the democrats wearing louisiana state university colors on their uniforms, on their hats to honor their colleague the congressman
steve scalise from louisiana who is it still 5 miles away tonight at medstar hospital where he still plays critically wounded. his condition has been described as complicated because he needs operations to repair bone damage from the bullet that entered near his right hip but it also did damage to his internal organs. those conditions must be addressed first because there has been a lot of internal bleeding that has required audible blood transfusions. if two of other gunshot victims are still in hospital tonight as well, the capital police officer was shot in the ankle and the lobbyist matt mika who was shot multiple times and is scheduled for more surgery tomorrow. while they recover, the fed are unearthing a lot of new evidence but the fbi said they have a laptop, phone, and camera belonging to the 66-year-old gunman who is now dead and they spent a lot of time going through the white van that he's been living in since arriving in alexandria in march.
the two weapons found with the gunmen were legally purchased but they are still working to trace the trajectory of his shots tonight at a ball field across the river that remains closed. this ballpark open even though the nationals are out of town. there's so much interest in this red versus blue, democrat versus republican lawmaker baseball game, 20,000 tickets have been sold and more than a million dollars has been raised for charity. to put that in the context, they've had this event and just about every year for the last 108 years. they know how many people they need to add, today they had to call the ball club and they need seminar room. the nationals that accommodate them. as for that million dollars, that is double what they raised so far and that's just a pregame total of course, the game hasn't even started yet. >> martha: thank you so much, let's bring in fox news national correspondent ed henry who
combines everything about politics and baseball, he is an expert in both. good to see you tonight. it's very bittersweet, enthusiasm the reason there are all these networks lined up here is because of what happened in that park yesterday. >> the lawmakers take this seriously, they play every year in this annual charity game. it goes back to about 19 oh nine. they keep stats and i went and checked his stats today. he is been one of their better players on the republican team in recent years. he is used as a pinch runner a lot because of his speed. he scored four runs in seven seasons. that's a lot for some of these older lawmakers past their prime. it's one of these bitter irony is that now he is in the hospitals, 5 miles away, can't run. he's been medicated, he's gone through three operations. i heard a nugget from one of his republican colleagues who told me that steve scalise his wife jennifer and their two very young children were already planning before the shooting to come to washington, because the
kids wanted to tear their dad on the ball field. it breaks your heart to hear those kind of details. if there's anything good that comes out of this, report took about 20 people. we got nowhere near 20,000 people, steve scalise is pulling people together. >> martha: he absolutely is, as you say he still is in critical condition tonight. everybody is thinking about steve scalise and about matt mika, where here at nationals park. you can see as the crowd is filling in here, it's fun to watch these guys down there because they are members of congress, they are not professional baseball players, but they are here for this amazing moment in this huge stadium, people are filing and by the thousands down there as we watch them come in. the big thing that we talked about a lot since it happened yesterday morning, what a shock it was to everybody, obviously.
we see them coming up to the field now. there's roger williams who you're going to hear from a just a moment, he broke his ankle as he went into the dugout running from the shooter. he is here tonight. the unity question, can it happen, can it make a differenc difference? >> you don't want to be pessimistic on a night like tonight when you want to be very optimistic. after 9/11, after various tragedies they say they're going to come together. they come together for a brief time and then they go back to their respective corners very quickly. maybe tonight were going to see attributes video, were expecting from president trump, that might be why they are gathering now. >> martha: they are getting together literally at this moment, they've all joined at the middle of the field. >> getting around at second bas second base, he was manning at second base on that practice field in alexandria when the horror, the video when you hear the audio -- >> martha: you can hear
[cheers and applause] >> martha: a moment of silence, a moment of prayer at second base as we start at nationals park at this evening. it's a weighty moment. steve scalise is in hospital a couple of miles from here as we have been talking about with ed henry, matt mika who was eight lobbyist with tyson foods
received shots in the chest. if he's undergone at least two surgeries and it's expected to have more. if the capital police officers greiner and bailey who saved us so many. >> after being wounded and they take this man out. it's remarkable when you see the significance of democratic and republican lawmakers praying together, out by second base here at nationals park. second base, the position that steve scalise played and where he was shot when he was taking those ground balls. when you hear that video from yesterday, how awful was the 50, 60 shots going off. the accounts of lawmakers say steve scalise was crawling to the outfield to try to not get shot again. you don't want to focus on the negative, you want to think about the positive. the cheers we hear behind us now in this crowd, when i was at roll call newspaper, we would be lucky to get a couple of thousand people at a minor league ballpark where we did
this game originally. now it's here at nationals park, a major league ballpark, it's not full. but as you said, about 20,000 people, that is a remarkable statement. we expect president trump next. >> martha: were looking at some of the singing that is happening on the field, let's listen to that for a moment. [cheers and applause] >> martha: you hear the cheers going up from the crowd, we
observed a moment of silence a moment ago. we do expect to hear president trump in just a moment, you see him on the big screen. he has a message that he wants to convey to this entire group gathered here this evening at nationals park on a momentous day it when the country tries to pull together after a horrific attack at a practice yesterday, where the g.o.p. was on the field getting ready for this big match tonight which is a tradition. president trump in just a momen moment, ivanka trump is in the crowd tonight, she is here for the game. ed henry is joining me here as we watch all of this get under way and they to their dugouts, they've been practicing for this big moment, they have a big crowd. >> they still want to win the game but i spoke to republican house majority leader kevin mccarthy a few moments ago when he was saying you know who i hope wins tonight? america. we like to battle, each wants bragging rights, but tonight we just want a close game, we want people to come together. you're right, let's take a step
back, it's not about what happened yesterday. think about what happened in the u.k., the france, the threat of terror all around the world. we don't know, the fbi, the atf are still investigating what motivated this shooter yesterday and whether anyone else is involved. law enforcement believes right now that nobody else is involve involved. the country is on edge right now. >> martha: it show on edge, we need a little baseball, i've never experienced the kind of anxiety that exists in the country right now, some people compared to the late 60s during the vietnam war. there's a lot going on, you can feel a bit of relief tonight. you have to be impressed with the fact that there was almost no hesitation that this game would indeed go on. it was shortly after the attack yesterday that it was announced and we're going to hear in a moment from congressman williams and also from zach barras who is a legislative age. >> think about president trump
yesterday in the immediate aftermath of this, he made a bold statement about unity and coming together, he's faced a lot of criticism for the division in the country right now. last night on his birthday, he and the first lady go to the hospital to visit steve scalise, thank the capital police who are there. you see joe barth on the republican coming out now. we expect a video tribute from president trump in a moment. this is an opportunity for him when you talk about the country on edge to bring people togethe together. >> martha: it certainly is and were watching as we get ready to get this underway, it's a long-running tradition about 100 years they've been playing this game, they did take a couple of breaks during the depression in the world wars when these games were not played. there is a great story about a boat that was happening in the early 1900s and they couldn't find some of the congressman in order to get a forum. somebody ran over to get them
and said come on you've got to come back on the boat. >> you talk about the heartache from yesterday at this practice field. i've been to the practice field with the democrats and republicans before covering as i covered congress. they take it seriously. these are these older members and they want to be in shape, they want to show their constituents, they want to show their colleagues that they still got it. they might not still have it but they want to show it. >> martha: that's the way men are, they let women start playing in the game in the 1990s, i didn't see any this evening. >> i didn't think you were going to go there but you want there. >> martha: there living their dreams right now, high fives, they're getting announced at nationals park. it's not difficult to imagine why they decide this is something they'd like to do and they take it very seriously. we just saw him in the stadium there and we wish him well and we pray for him and we hope that his surgery is successful.
he's got a long road ahead. >> three surgeries already. it's me when you talk about the fai investigation and one of the things were going to see when they go into is a social media and his laptop, was he targeting anybody in particular? this is the majority whip, this is the person that pulls the boats together. >> we saw senator jeff like a moment ago, he has a uniform from the arizona diamondbacks, his home state. you can see on the chiron right there, republicans and democrats coming together to where caps from lsu, that's the uniform that steve scalise wears hailing from the value state. >> martha: we saw another louisiana player down there and that one of the people who suggested members of congress
should be able to carry -- be armed in order to protect themselves. that's something that's going to get a lot of attention were going to talk to members of congress about that in just a little while. he believes if your home state allows a concealed and carry permit, you should be able to carry that privilege with you when you come to washington. >> there's a growing number of players who say they feel like sitting ducks right now. with this division in the country right now, with the social media, people getting fired up, if you don't vote the way they like it, they don't say i disagree with you -- people get pretty angry and there's concerns. >> martha: let's take a look at the interview we did earlier this evening with congressman williams, let's take a look. joining me now, two men who lived to tell a story of yesterday's ambush, congressman roger williams of texas injured his leg escaping the chaos but he's here tonight serving as the gop's coach, he's joined joined by his legislative aide zach
barnes who was shot in the leg. it is a beautiful night out here, congressman williams let me start with you. when you look at where you were yesterday and you think about where you woke up this morning and got here tonight, what's it like 24 hours later as you look back on what happened? >> it's hard to compare. what we had happened yesterday is something nobody ever would think of being involved in. we thank the capital police, we saved 25 congressman and some staff members. it was a moment that we all have our story, zach has his story, i have mine. we can't give enough praise to the capital police who saved a massacre that would have happened yesterday. >> martha: you were huddled in that dugout when officers greiner and bailey took this shooter down, describe for me if you can watch it was like in those moments when you are
waiting in that stuck out flake and the others, what was that like? >> it was a harrowing moment from the beginning, i was in center field shaking fly balls when it started. time stood still after the first crack of the rifle and somebody said ron. i ran as far away from the shooter as i could come around to the right field, got down to the ground, there was nowhere for me to go. then he turned his sights to me and started shooting at me, everything started popping around me. i got struck in the leg and at that point i decided i wasn't going to be a sitting duck for this guy, i needed to get out of there so i ran down the first base line, jumped in the dugout and that's where i met up with congressman williams, we grabbed each other. there's a lot going on, very stressful. in that moment, we knew the capital policeman were there, agents greiner and bailey, they were protecting us.
it was scary, it lasted about 1r and we were trying to stay alive. a >> martha: you guys have a bond that will never be broken i'm sure, all of you who want to through this. congressman williams, when you learn that this shooter was after specifically republicans what went through your mind and what you woke up this morning, did you think all of this was surreal? >> i don't know that this man evidently had a lot of anger, he took it out this way. i think we work hard in congress across the country in dialing down the rhetoric that we sometimes have. i hope this game which had to be played tonight would begin that process of bipartisanship, loving our country and agreeing to disagree in the proper way. i hope this is the beginning of a new era and i think it needs to be. this game should have been played and i'm glad that we are playing it. >> martha: zach, when you came
to washington you're a young man i'm sure you have a lot of dreams of how it would be here. how do you feel this has changed you in terms of your outlook for the future? >> i don't know if it's changed me all that much, i'm still passionate about what i do, because i believe in. i'm a public servant and i come to work every day for the people we represent. nothing about that is going to change. if anything, it's going to give me more drive and more fire to do what i love. >> martha: you're a remarkable young man that you are very brave and you're a great sport to be out here tonight after what happened to you last night. congressman williams, you're the third base coach, how is the g.o.p. team going to do tonight? >> we got a good team, we won last year and we have a better team. if our pitchers throw strikes and we don't make any errors, i think will score runs. i had somebody asked me today what's the difference between watching this game tonight and yankees and red sox, it's the same game it's just in slow
motion. that's what we're going to see tonight. >> martha: gentlemen thank you so much, we wish you a speedy recovery and again you are an amazing sport, you've got a lot of the spirit and we're very glad that you are both okay, thank god for those capitol hill police officers who saved so many of you and we thank you both for your service to the nation that you're doing here in washington. have a great night. >> martha: they were both so impressive and they are having a great night down there, we've seen both of them on the field just moments ago. after initially coming together in the wake of this shooting attack, several lawmakers in some ways have become a split again over the issue of death threats in some cases that have been sent to some of these members of congress. my next guest knows too much about these dangerous threats, this man allegedly called congresswoman martha mcsorley and told her to be careful when
she returns to tucson and her days were numbered. here now promote republican congresswoman martha miceli joins us. >> they just put up these picture, he's not here with us, he's still in our prayers, were coming together for an american tradition, were not going to be stopped. if we are here, uniting us a team, a congress and all the supporters, it is bittersweet. >> martha: tell him a little bit about what happened to you, it reflects on the experiences that many people are having. >> i also represent arizona, in 2011 gabby giffords were shot, and people were killed. the first congressional staffer killed in the line of duty. this individual was arrested for three separate threats. >> martha: i'm sorry, control
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congress, congresswoman mcsorley standing here with me and she was just saluting to the flag as members of our military and were listening now to the singing from the field, tell me a little bit about what that means to you. >> i wore the uniform for 26 years and so many of us put our lives on the line and for freedom, we unite around that flight. this is a beautiful moment tonight, to be uniting in this moment behind that flag. for those of us willing to put our lives in line, for the capitol police who put their lives in line every day, for crystal and david to stop a massacre from happening. tonight is about uniting her on that flag, not just tonight but tomorrow and beyond. [cheers and applause]
>> martha: were taking it in, were awaiting a statement by president trump shortly. you spoke about unity and you can remember these moments i you look back in the color guard is passing as we watch all of this, we want to be respectful of the things that are happening on the field at the same time while we're taking all this in. what happens now, congresswoman, in terms of unity? >> now we need to keep it going. i think we all need to do our part. for those of us who art in public office, but really everyone in the country in the community, we have to look inside our hearts and ask how we got here.
what can each of us do to have this be a turning point. crisis always equals an opportunity and that is our opportunity, doing a facebook live session with my democratic friend and colleague kathleen at rice to show that kind of unity to have people to tune in. were going to have other people stop by. just a show are stronger together than we are separate. we agree more than we disagree on. i've worn the uniform and enemies out there and other places that are trying to kill us and our way of life and take it away. we can have sincerely held disagreements, we can have rigorous debates which we should. but we can still honor each other and maybe listen and learn something from each other. it's hot in boiling right now, the threat which is happened against me. i said to my friend, i feel like it's only a matter of time
before someone takes action. sadly that's happened. we couldn't agree more and we hope there is hope for the future in the wake of the sadness and the difficulty in the trauma that has been experienced by those who are in the hospital still, thank you very much, youngest woman martha mcsorley joins us tonight. up next, we are awaiting a message from president trump, we are going to be right back with that right after the break. live from nationals park with the story. ♪ tomorrow is not a given. but entresto is a medicine that helps make more tomorrows possible. 's tomorrow ♪ in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto helped more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine.
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>> martha: what a moment we just witnessed, we want to show this to you at home. this is officer bailey who was injured and who took down the shooter with officer greiner who was also working with him at the field, they showed him as soon as it started happening. if there's joe tori with officer bailey as he threw out the first pitch. if it is incredible night in baseball. >> he is now an official of major league baseball, he's showing support for the capital police and law enforcement officials who stepped up yesterday.
you heard on your program last night, a couple of dozen lawmakers, their lives. >> martha: you talk about the debate over guns, this man and this woman, these officers who showed up with their arms saved the lives of probably 15, may be more people yesterday. >> staffers. >> martha: this man is a true hero, officer david bailey, we commend him tonight. >> the ovation was incredible, this crowded just roared. >> martha: we are watching two sides of the story here tonight, you have a really good feeling what's happening at this field, coming together, the divisiveness it's happening out there in the media and in some places on capitol hill unfortunately. one of the stories out there tonight is "the new york times" which is now backtracking a bit after publishing a debunked
conspiracy theory as fact in an editorial piece, they falsely linked sarah palin to the 2011's assassination attempt to the congressman gabby giffords. national correspondent ed henry has been looking into this story and this was an egregious error. >> think about the context, you're talking about a situation in which a republican lawmaker and other republican lawmakers were targeted by a left-wing activist who said he wanted to go after republicans based on his facebook posts and whatnot. you don't have people blaming bernie sanders just because this man, the shooter who was now dead volunteered for bernie sanders. nonetheless, "the new york times" decided let's go after sarah palin. in 2011 when jerry lee lochner open fire in a parking lot killed six people, 9-year-old girl, the link to political insight when it was clear.
before the shooting, sarah palin circuited targeted electoral districts to put miss giffords under the crosshairs. there is zero evidence that he was actually inspired to do any of that shooting, any of that carnage by sarah palin. a correction from the times, between political incitement of gabby giffords, no such link was established prior to the has been updated -- electoral districts, democratic lawmakers weren't depicted. "the new york times" high and mighty about the separation of church and state, and angered facts wrong, smearing sarah palin when in fact it was a democrat who went after republicans. you don't hear a lot of people
blaming bernie sanders today, but the times and says let's go back to 2011 and let's blame sarah palin, it's remarkable. it >> martha: it's bad form to say the least. thank you very much. i want to bring in bill bennett who was the host of the bill bennett podcast and a fox news contributor. bill, a lot of juxtaposed this evening, were looking into this great shot as they begin the baseball game tonight and were talking about the story of "the new york times" which they corrected. the one ally that they added undercuts the the meeting of the entire editorial, to add one line that corrects it and not apologize for ever printing it in the first place is pretty tricky territory. >> "the new york times" admitted fault for a minute and then corrected itself. it readjusted itself back to its course. this was a very moving moment with officer bailey out there. this is the way america works through things, this amazing
country. i was thinking of a line from virgil, mortals touch the mind, there are tears for passing things, the honorable finds its due. if you heard of that year for the honorable bailey and greine greiner. there is something to celebrate here. divisiveness will go on, bitterness will go on, anger will go on. i have a couple of ideas i think we could use moving forward. could we start at the outer edge and say no more death threats. no more representations of the deaths of your political enemies or political opposition. martha makes allie is exactly right, these are not our enemies, this is the opposition, our enemies are isis and al qaeda. no more death threats, no more holding heads, no more putting the president and the role of julius caesar julius caesar being assassinated, no more talk about blowing up the white house. let's all agree to that. second, maybe as it's against
the law to threaten the lives of the president committed should be against the law to threaten the lives of any political official. can we just start at that point and see if we can work our way back to greater stability. >> martha: great point, bill, in terms of the president, we are expecting a statement from the president. what role would you like him to play in that? >> i've always wanted to do color, i thought that pitch was a little high for a strike, never mind. >> martha: the rules are a little different here tonight. >> here i am, ready to go. the president has been pitch-perfect on this whole thing and it's great to see that video of the president and steve scalise who is a fine congressman and a finance spokesman for americans truth and values. i love the way the president would see him quietly in the hospital, they didn't use the
siren. quite remarkable, good for the president, very good. >> martha: thank you so much, good to see you as always. >> you are welcome. >> >> martha: let us know what you think about the balls and strikes. matt bennett has worked in the area of gun policy for 17 years, including as communications director and is on the board of sandy hook promise, good to see you as always, your thoughts as we watch the game get under way and reflect what happened yesterday. >> unfortunately, in more than 20 years i've been following this issue, we have these horrible tragedies and there is never a silver lining in any of these. anyone who says there is is crazy. these are horrific events. there can be good if it comes from them, if there is a degree
of stability that we get in our elected officials, that is a good thing. what i would like to see his agree of movement on gun safety. we haven't had a significant gun safety bill signed into law at the federal level since 1994, i think it's about time. >> martha: when you look at the cities that have the tougher rules, washington, d.c., chicago, and you look at the proliferation of crime in those cities and that's one of the arguments that people use against more laws. many people say there are so many laws that we have in the books that we don't enforce. is there some middle ground for people who want to have the right to protect themselves and the kind of work that you do. >> there's no question, there is a second amendment right to own a gun, the supreme court has ruled there is no debate about that. there is plenty that we can do to protect people's rights to own their guns, people can own as many guns as they want as long as they are law abiding citizens. what we really need to do is close the two big loopholes that
were left in the brady act in 1993, that if you can buy a gun online without going through a background check and that's crazy. most gun owners think that's nuts. we have to close those. if we want to think there's any hope for unity and we all feel this. i'm minded tonight after the game after 9/11 when president bush throughout that pitch, that is a moment that none of us will ever forget. unfortunately they don't last. >> they don't, but that kind of chair gives you hope. people cheering for the right of the blue team, that's what america is about. that's where they hope this is a moment where they can turn the corner. >> martha: we should have a baseball game in the back on when we do the show. thanks for being here tonight. president trump make a good and his campaign promises to improve the veterans affairs administration, change is coming, the secretary david shelton joins us here at nationals park with the plans right after this [customer] i can access the atm with just my phone?
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♪ >> martha: do you live from nationals park tonight in washington, d.c., moments ago, we heard from >> president trump: , we want to show you at home, take a look. >> president trump: i want to thank members of congress and people across the country for supported events congressional baseball game, it's an important moment for both parties to come together and support charities and celebrate our national pastime. tonight's game is taking on a much deeper of meeting. beyond anything that we would've thought, by playing tonight, you are showing the world we will not be intimidated by threats and acts of violence or assault on our democracy. the game will go on. i want to take a moment to send
our thoughts, love, and a prayers to steve scalise and his entire family. he is our friend, he's a patriot, and is a true fighter. i know you all will be playing extra hard tonight for steve. we pray for all of the victims of this terrible crime who are still recovering, including zachary barth and matt micah. we also praise special agents crystal greiner and david bailey of the capitol police for saving so many lives. we thank all of the members of the alexandria fire police, and rescue. in washington, we have our disagreements. we all agree that we are here to serve this nation we love, and the people who call it home. that is the source of unity. more than ever, we must embrace
it so that on this special night, i leave you with three great american words that for generations have torn down barriers, build bridges of unity, and it defied those who have sought to pull us apart. ladies and gentlemen, let's play ball. >> martha: play ball is what they are doing down there, sometimes falling over each other but they are having a great time and the crowd is responding as if they were at a major league game behind me, joining me now is our veterans affairs secretary david shelton. what are your thoughts on this event tonight? >> i wouldn't want to be anywhere else, being here and seeing this excitement of everybody here. if this is reminder of what brings us here together in this country and it's so great to see. >> martha: it really is, you have been working hard and i know your way to do get all of your people in place at veterans affairs.
your department it has been very high in the list of this president. in terms of this change that has happened over the course of this week, something that everyone complained about for so long was that they couldn't fire people who are doing a good job at these hospitals. how soon will it be the case that that will start happening? >> on tuesday, the president is going to sign this bill and we've been working hard. what you see here tonight is what you're seeing in congress. when it comes to our veterans, there aren't democrats or republicans can buy this is bipartisan issue. we saw both the senate and the house work hard to pass the accountability bill and the president is excited to sign it. >> martha: you worked in a prior administration i remember the prior head of veterans affairs complaining in front of congress, i know these things are happening but i don't have the authority to fire anybody. why would the entire administration not want to give him the right to do that? it makes no sense. >> i don't really understand why it's so different now.
the president isn't so committed to getting this fixed. people have been fed up not saying our veterans get the right type of services they nee need. now everybody is rolling in the same direction and everyone wants to see this fixed and that's certainly why i'm here. >> martha: how soon after he signs that the bill do you expect him to start the see some of the dead wood cleared out from the hospitals and the people who are involved in them? >> were going to be making decisions immediately after we sign it and that's going to be clear to everybody who works in the va, it's a privilege to be here. we only want people who are there for the right reasons. >> martha: you heard the applause for that. people really like that idea. in terms of another part of the bill that would've cut funding for some of the older veterans. obviously you want to trim where you can let you kind of got pushed back on that and changed her mind. tell everybody what happened on that. >> we have proposed a budget which is a great budget for veterans, it showed the
president had more money and all the areas veterans care. we look at areas where we think all areas can be improved. the president wasn't supportive of this, this proposal that we made was going to hurt too many veterans, it was going to take away money from those who afforded us, now are back at looking at different ways we can make this budget work. >> martha: i know that older veterans were concerned about changing that program which would have given them more mone money, because of people who can't look for a job for whatever reason. is it possible you would reintroduce that for veterans down the road, not once were benefiting from it now but change it for future generations? >> i do think there are possibilities that we are looking at, will go to work with congress to make it work. if we designed a new program, i'm not sure we would do it exactly like what we had in place right now, but we don't want to be withdrawing benefits from veterans will be relying on it. we don't want to do anything that will hurt our current veterans. were looking at how can we make
it work better in the future. >> martha: have you made it easier for veterans if they're on a waiting list to go to a private provider? >> absolutely, were doing separate things but we are publishing all of our wait times come up for the first time, veterans can see. we're also making it easier for them to get into the private sector because we don't want to veterans for care. >> martha: thank you very much, david shelton joining us tonight as we watch the game below us, a lot of excitement going on here at nationals park as we, i can't see the score, can anyone see the score? were going to get to the score in just a moment. let me see if i can turn around to take a look. it's 2-0, the republicans are winning. it's 39-39. in the history of this game being played, republicans have won 39 times, and the democrats have won 39 times. tonight is a very exciting, separate from all of the very serious reasons that we are gathered here tonight in these large numbers. this is going to be a tiebreaker
because it's 39-39. i think they tied once in the history of this game. we also want to bring in other friends were joining us this evening as we move forward here and you all have been following the story of the special counsel robert mueller who was reportedly widening his rush investigation to include possible obstruction of justice by president trump. the president firing back on twitter saying they made up a phony collusion with the russian story, found zero proof. so now they go for obstruction of justice, nice. here is the former senior advisor for george w. bush and a democratic strategist, gentlemen, we're playing ball. as the president said moments ago, we're going to let you play some ball over this issue. let me bring in the coral first on this, the news broke last night, it wasn't that surprising in some ways, everyone likes karl rove, they are cheering wildly as you can tell.
the news broke last night there is a continuing investigation. something very big is happening on the field right now. for go it looked a home run. is it a home run court to he's on third. what do you make of this news about obstruction of justice going forward. >> i think it's highly unlikely it's going to result in anything. the president is the head of the executive branch, he has unlimited power in any investigation. if john f. kennedy had told j. edgar hoover to stop investigating and wiretapping, martin luther king, would that have made him guilty of obstruction of justice? no it wouldn't. he has the authority. not only that, he didn't do it. he said i hope you let him go, hope is not the same as a demand or an order. anybody can google this, 18 section 15.05, says that in
order to have obstruction, you have to act in a corrupt manner. that would mean there would have to be something the president is trying to hide that personally benefited him. he got part of michael flynn's fees or from the turkish businessmen from lobbying on their behalf or some other extremely weird thing that's not going to happen. i think this is performa, having raised the issue, they're going to run through it with the three principal people who the president was supposed to talk to besides james comey. >> martha: let me bring you in here, what you think what smart >> what he said is absolute nonsense, if we are talking about martin luther king jr. being in the investigation, the only way it would make sense would be if he was a member of donald trump's -- jfk's aides or one of his top aides and then he called off the investigation. in terms of what carl said and he just said he hoped james comey does something, that's
nonsense as well. he took action, he fired james comey. i don't understand the pushback from the white house when he says they didn't actually do anything because they actually did something to impede the investigation. he fired the fbi director and then he said very plainly not once but twice, the reason why he did it was because of the russian investigation. >> martha: you want to push back on that? >> nonsense that the president the united states is the head of the executive branch is to ignore the constitution of the united states. i recommend my democrat friend read the constitution. if john f. kennedy ordered the end of an investigation is that somehow different from president trump if he ordered the end of an investigation? no it's not. the fact of the matter is the statue demands corrupt activity, you can call that phony all you like but it's written in black and white of the u.s. 18 usc 15 oh five, google it when we
finish having this fun exchange. >> martha: gentlemen thank you very much. karl rove and it's going to take on a bit of its life of its own when those interviews take place and robert mueller will do that as special counsel. tonight, we are watching this baseball game and america's leaders taking part in one of america's great pastimes, just a 36 hours after tragedy struck on the baseball field as they practice, our quote of the night comes from the house chaplain father pat conroy and the prayer that he gave to congress and the members who you see on the fields today this morning. watch. >> we pause to thank you for the courage and sacrificial service of our capital police. forgive us when we take their daily courageous service for granted. forgive us also when we see to forget that words matter and can
become deeds that bring the bitterness. bring speedy healing to our brother steve scalise and all those injured in yesterday's shooting. bring peace and solace to all those affected by yesterday's tragedy. >> martha: an amazing combination that we have seen of how this country pulls together in difficult times. we all woke up yesterday morning to the shocking news that a gunman had taken down a member of congress, another person works on the hill and had also hit to capitol hill police officers who -- valiant in their duty -- it took that shooter down and protected so many others who were huddled nearby as they tried to hide from that shooter's wrath. tonight is special, it is about to baseball, it is about unity, it is about what makes america great. we are so proud to be witnessing what we have seen here tonight on this baseball field and to
have heard from president trump, his words of bringing people together but think about what matters, we thank you so much for being with us tonight at nationals park on this beautiful summer evening as we celebrate what's good the paradigm ♪ >> good evening everybody and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, i'm ed henry in from out of the bullpen, where broadcasting live from nationals park site of tonight's baseball game, the game is going on despite yesterday's attack on g.o.p. lawmakers, steve scalise, the wounded republican leaders said they wanted it to go forward. we will be showing you the exclusive interview with fred warmbier, the father of otto warmbier who was detained in north korea, just release in cincinnati, listen to this.