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later, how they are playing it on this very show. you, your money, your politics, your lifeblood. we are on it. if it matters to you, it matters to us. >> eric: i am eric bolling with eboni k. williams and kennedy in for kat timpf today. we are the "the fox news specialists" ." a wild day in washington over the senate health care bill paid republican leaders are delaying a vote on legislation until after the fourth of july recess. underway right now come republican members of the senate are at the white house meeting with president trump about the health care after today's setback. president trump addressing it a short time ago. >> we are getting very close, but for the country, we have to have health care, and it can't be obamacare which is melting down. the other side is saying all
sorts of things before they even knew what the bill was. this will be great if we get it done. and if we don't get it done, it's just going to be something we are not going to like, and that's okay and i understand that very well. >> eric: after six republican senators indicated they would not back the bill in its current form which would've left the bill in failure, they can only lose two. mitch mcconnell spoke out this afternoon. >> it's an ongoing discussion, and members have had -- several of them want more time. we have a number of different discussions going on. they have been going on for six weeks now and they continue. this is a big, complicated subject. if none of you have ever covered a big, completed bill, they are hard to pull together and hard to pass. >> eric: senate democrats were quick to pounce on the news. speak of the republicans cannot exercise the rotten core at the center of their health care bil.
no matter what tweaks they may add the next weekend i have, no matter how the bill changes around the edges, it is fundamentally flawed at the center. >> eric: eboni, i would disagree with the assessment that it can't be changed to the point where they can get the votes. the reason there was no vote today or this week. >> eboni: they are very far apart on this. giving the senators a week, we heard the president talking about the other side with this is the republican side that's far apart on the issue. i don't expect any democratic buy in. republicans don't need it. senator rand paul, saying give us time to read the bill so this doesn't happen again. >> eric: kennedy, i couldn't be happier that they sidelined the bill. i would love them to sideline it may be for even a year. >> kennedy: or perhaps eternity.
the problem for republicans, they have tethered the idea of health care to tax reform. we know how critical tax reform is for the economy and families. we have talked about in the past. unfortunately health care is so divisive. not only between republicans and democrats within the republican party. you have a razor-thin margin and concessions cannot be made to either side if the bill is going to survive the senate and then move on to the house. you are right, they have to figure out a way of doing tax reform. forget about the midterms for a little bit. get the economy on track because that equals victory. >> eric: kind of even a win-win if they leave obamacare in place. he is the author of the book "unusual suspects" and served on the commission for civic participation for george w. bus george w. bush. his specialty is cancer awareness. stephen baldwin is here. he's a former public school
teacher, cochair of the state of california against hate crime and he is a talk show host on 790 los angeles. his specialty is everything civil rights. leo terrell is here. what do you think of the idea of letting obamacare live for another year? go through the midterm election with obamacare so the democrats can't run on trumpcare. >> stephen: i've got to slow down to go fast here. i'm not as smart as everybody else on the table. i try to represent the guys that had to become actors from long island, okay? in a post-9/11 george w. bush economy, then comes obamacare. this is going to take time. this is going to take time. the struggle between the left and right, what's unfortunate is
all you continue to hear in the messaging from those that oppose president trump is negative, negative, negative. that keeps helping him and hurting them. if it's got to go year, it's got to go a year. >> eric: i love playing the politics and in letting obamacare faster. sorry, a lot of people are going to pay more. but then you don't lose the house in 2018 because you keep tattooing the democrats with obamacare. >> leo: that's a political strategy. if you wait a year, you sign a death warrant to replacing and repealing obamacare. if the senate doesn't get the passage, it will never get past. you have a majority in the house and senate spread for six years, republicans talked about replacing obamacare. you're telling me with this majority they can't do it, that tells you there's a tension and fight within the party. the fundamental question is to the republicans believe in assisting good with health care? >> eric: you are right.
to what extent? how much assistance is too much? how much assistance is not enough? >> kennedy: and which people do you help? the problem with obamacare is it seeks to help everyone with one-size-fits-all insurance. that's failing. there aren't enough healthy people in the system to prop it up. >> eric: then you had your six years. fix it. >> stephen: do republicans believe, like rand paul, any government involvement? i would submit president trump wants it and is having problems with his own party. >> eboni: demonstrates how far apart the g.o.p. is -- they need some government assistance, the more conservative part of the base. ted cruz, rand paul, they are not going to be satisfied. they're not going to go to the constituents and say obama light
is the answer. >> eric: i want to get to this sound bite because this will blow your mind but stephen, if you are a republican senator who may be against bill, do you want to be tattooed with this moniker? so you don't want the republican build therefore you want obamacare to stay. >> stephen: i'm going to keep it as blue-collar as i can in my mind. it's a war. it's like you just said. it's going to take time. either some members of the republican party are going to have to come background to avoid what you just said is the inevitable. you wait too long, it ain't going to happen. i think president trump is the kind of guy, he is talking directly to the american people. it's on them. it's on rand paul and these other people to do something. >> eboni: if the president tables that, like it was a mistake to move forward.
stingray political cost? >> eric: i think there is but not as great as it would be if you put the bill forward and premiums continue to rise. democrats go to town halls all summer long going this is worse than what we had. how can you not -- >> kennedy: premiums are going to continue to rise this year, 2018. that is the cbo score. you make a good point, stephen. this is a war, and what do you fight for? freedom. allow people to have freedom to get insurance across state lines. allow people to make greater choices data limited insurance if that's what they want. perhaps that's what some of those 15 million want by opting out. >> leo: should the government be involved in health care? eric, can i get you on the record? >> eric: leo this is a libertarian view.
i would say i am somewhere between purely libertarian and conservative. some government, some assistance but not to the extent we are giving away the house. >> leo: eboni would agree that is being bagged. >> eboni: you talked about going across state lines. a lot of people say that's a solution. it is mysteriously absent in both the house and senate versions of these bills. >> eric: it hurts the insurance companies. they have to compete. when you compete, prices go down. when prices go down, profit margins get skinnier. >> kennedy: in all three forms, the aca, the senate version, it is all crony capitalism. it's all a big entitlement not for americans, not those most in need but for these gigantic insurance companies. they are in a death spiral.
they are desperate. that's why our company saying, like anthem saying we want this. >> eric: in order for this to work, you need by patterson support. you need republicans or democrats. i'm not counting on it but it would be nice. when you listen to something like this, you realize that is asking a whole heck of a lot. >> i know this is a sensitive issue, so i'm going to raise it. the horrible end unspeakable truth is that if this legislation were to pass, thousands of our fellow americans every single year will die. >> we do know that many more people, hundreds of thousands of people will die if this bill passes. >> 1,000 22,000 people will die if you cut 750,000 people from medicaid. that means you are killing 1,000
to 2,000. >> eric: how are we going to get to the middle and fix the problem? pelosi saying hundreds of thousands of people will die. >> eboni: they all read their talking points memo. senator sanders would be better served worrying about his own legal problems quite frankly. >> eric: bernie sanders says thousands. schumer says 1,022,000. >> kennedy: at least they are not employing hyperbole. the crazy thing is, we are all going to die. unless they are absolutely psychic and have a party line to heaven, they don't know who's going to die or when or how many people. it's a fools errand trying to quantify something that serious. >> eric: they dusted off the
old commercial, throwing granny often collects -- throwing granny off the cliff. >> leo: these are talking points. democrats sit on their hands, closed their mouths, let the republicans fight among themselves. >> eric: i would not argue with that strategy. stephen your thoughts. >> stephen: if pushing granny off the cliff again isn't a sign of these folks having to rehash some old videotape to try to make the point, listen, the more the oppose this president, negatively bashing from i tried to news that's going to scare people, americans now know the truth. they are seeing through it. in time, all of this forward motion by president trump is going to come to fruition. >> eric: sometimes the saying,
when your opponent is digging themselves a whole, just let them. >> eboni: democrats are doing more harm than good by coming out in this desperate, obviously pathetic, quite frankly way. let the g.o.p. fight this internally. hopefully they come up with something better. if they don't, then it just won't get done. it's going to be difficult. i don't think obama took the advantage he had those first two years and i think his presidency paid the price. >> eric: pushing it through unanimously with zero republican votes in the house and senate. ready to go? >> kennedy: shows how hyper- part or send this is part i don't think democrats and republicans will ever work together, not on health care. >> eric: a showdown in syria, the white house as bashar
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>> eboni: the trump administration issuing a blunt threat to the syrian president over chemical weapons. intelligence has uncovered potential evidence the regime may be preparing for another chemical attack. believed to have most recently used chemical weapons on its own people in april, leaving thousands dead. earlier, u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley delivered a warning. >> the goal is, at this point, not just to send us out a message, but to send russia and iran a message. if this happens again, we are putting you on notice. my hope is that the the presids warning will get russia and iran to take a second look and i hope it will caution assad from the fact that we don't want to see innocent men, women, and children hurt again. >> eboni: we hear nikki haley putting them on notice.
this gets back to the kind of tense triangle, rectangle between us, russia iran, and syria. and i want to say you have set on this program before we have to prioritize defeating isis on the issue but then some people who love the american first platform the president ran on are not happy seeing this intervention. >> eric: i am glad nikki haley said heads up, russia and iran. we may be doing this if bashar al-assad kills more of his own people with mustard gas or whatever gas he's using. this -- the middle east is such a mess, especially with syria. bashar al-assad does this again for the 100th time, kills more of his own people. now we are supposed to bomb syria again, maybe implicating russia because they are already there? north korea, that crazy dictator is doing the same thing to his
own people. so we are going to get involved there? i believe north korea is our issue. i don't think syria is our issue. humanitarian reasons, there are so many humanitarian atrocities around the world. we are going to get in everyone, will be spread -- finite resources. we will have none left. >> eboni: a lot of people feel the same way. what we can't save the world, we cannot be the worlds police that they see the pictures and they get emotional and they conclude there is a compelling reason to intervene. does the intervention potentially undermine our ability to defeat and destroy isis with a russian component and cooperation? >> stephen: i am confused by what i just heard. we're going to take action period we sent 59 cruise missiles. what's the endgame? you honestly believe assad is not taking action without russia's approval? >> leo: the ultimate in the rumors were not going to do anything because russia is supporting assad. assad is getting stronger every
day. thank you, russia. that's the problem we have right now. the problem is russia, not syri syria. >> eboni: do we need to pick our battles, kennedy? removing assad is not going to happen. >> kennedy: you are right. you create another vacuum in the middle east where yet another terror group can thrive. we couldn't conceive of something like isis when we were in the throes of al qaeda dominance in the middle east. but out of the ashes of the war in iraq. look what's happened in yemen, what's happened in libya, afghanistan. all of these places where we have intervened. afghanistan is our longest war. it is syria going to be the next top? i think eric is right. it's difficult coming up with convincing reasons why we should continue intervening specifically in syria but more generally in the middle east.
>> if you are saying no action, play out the scenario. assad stays in power. what's the conclusion? >> kennedy: let's say assad is removed from power. >> leo: you and i know assad is not going to be removed as long as russia is there. we know that. it's not going to happen. >> eric: we continue to focus on isis, eradicate isis. it pops up something else. somewhere else. we don't have an involvement in rebuilding syria. are we going to rebuild syria too? >> kennedy: can't afford health care in this country so we are going to go rebuild syri syria? >> eboni: let's get stephen in. your thoughts. >> stephen: i am probably going to get in trouble for this but i am too old-school. when i stroll money for my mother's purse, first it was a dollar, then three, then five. you don't stop guys like assad, you don't stop kim jong-un.
take an inch, take a yard. do i want 61 tomahawk missile sent over there? yeah, if that's what it takes. to let him know every time he throws a temper tantrum, we are going to spank him. >> eric: in north korea we have 30,000 troops in the dmz. that's an issue for us. we have been ally in south kore south korea. >> stephen: in these instances, these guys are whacked. i >> eric: not threatening u.s. persons or allies. >> so if he bombs 50,000 people, we do nothing? >> leo: your position is inconsistent with the white house, eric. >> eric: clearly. >> eboni: coming up, how america first is shaking up the
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>> kennedy: president trump's america first policy apparently rocking the boat for the rest of the world. a new study polled 37 nations, found that 49% of people have a favorable view of the u.s. compared to 39% unfavorable. that is down during the final phase of the obama administration. we know how well things went globally during the obama era.
if president trump is wrestling this many feathers, is in an early sign of success? eric, seems like this could be bad news for the president, but is there a silver lining? >> eric: we want everyone to say we can't stand them because they are kicking our butts. mystically, america first. stock market making record highs. not today but yesterday in the day before. unemployment. consumer confidence. producer confidence. business confidence scratching up. home prices hitting 15 year highs. america first, he is doing pretty darn well. you look at the average americans and see how they look at the end of the year.
>> kennedy: we have a number of indices that are on an upward trajectory and that's a great news. credit scores are going up. lending is improving. eric has touched on the markets. does this mean there are other countries who may be in their own recessions and they are just jealous. >> eboni: they might be hating. markets, credit scores, going up. i like that we are acknowledging the positive news. here's the thing. i remember when obama ran in 2008. one of the things many people liked about candidate obama was they felt he would improve our international presence and demeanor coming off
george w. bush. i don't know that that matters because you're going to be the president of these united states, not the president of the world. of course we have to do certain things internationally but i'm okay with a president who's not winning the popular vote across the globe. a >> kennedy: you're right. he was a bit of that apologist. >> eboni: i never saw it that way. >> kennedy: i'm going to throw it to you, leo. >> kennedy: let me make sure i understand this. eric talked about domestic issues within a bone issue in american's mind, security, national defense. reagan had thatcher. bush had blair. trump has no one. >> eric: for what? >> leo: security. international security. >> eric: we have a travel moratorium in place. >> leo: we want countries next
to us to support us when we do our international politics, especially on national security. >> kennedy: 42% of respondents across the globe so they have more confidence in angela merkel. 27% have confidence in vladimir putin. 22% in donald trump. how do you explain those numbers? >> leo: when i go to war, i want allies. i want allies. right now we don't have any. >> kennedy: we should be allies with russia? >> leo: we are talking about north korea, the middle east, the war. >> kennedy: stephen, are you tired of waiting? >> stephen: it goes back to everything everyone has been talking about. for me, i don't agree with you, leo. i think the bigger problem is money. people are hurting for money,
they are worried about putting food on the table more than their security internationally. that's my opinion. that is a grassroots kind of mentality. i don't look at the numbers like you guys do. i go with the field. in july i said donald trump is going to be the next president. when it comes to international alliances, we have not the big three necessarily but we have positive alliances happening with countries who have been waiting for this knock at the door. from america saying -- saudi arabia, we been waiting to help you. >> leo: you would agree you don't want america to be the lone ranger. that's what we are right now. >> kennedy: we are going to have to settle this with our fists and horses. straight ahead, three cnn journalists out following a botched report on russia.
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>> i had hoped we could have gone to the floor this week, but we are not quite there. i think we've got a really good chance of getting there. it will take us a little bit longer. >> reporter: town halls over recess? >> some have town halls. some don't. >> reporter: the president getting involved in these details of negotiating, getting into the details of the bill that might bring wavering senators on board. what's his message overall? >> i think the main thing is, as i've said, the status quo is unsustainable. it will be dealt with in one of two ways. either republicans will agree and change the status quo, or the markets will continue to collapse, and we will have to sit down with senator schumer.
my suspicion is that any negotiation with the democrats would include none of the reforms that we would like to make. on the market side and the medicaid side. for all of those reasons, we need to come up with a solution the american people elected us to do that. we are working hard to get ther there. >> reporter: talking about the bill being mean? >> kennedy: mitch mcconnell essentially thing we need to get it together. i think he's right. correct me if you feel differently. as far apart as the g.o.p. is coming will be easier for them to get on the same page than trying to get chuck schumer and the democrats involved. >> eric: they are not going to get involved. they want to see the republicans flailing. john cornyn, brilliant requirements comments.
[laughter] >> kennedy: there is a live gaggle. i think mitch mcconnell may be a little politically wounded. i think the margin is so much more narrow in the senate. i don't know they can go back and do what the house did. >> eboni: paul ryan coming out with a vote of confidence this morning, may be a little prematurely. not going the way they intended. >> leo: when you have senator saying we're not going to allow a procedural vote, it sends a loud message. susan collins came out this afternoon and set under no circumstances can she see this bill getting past. >> kennedy: paul ryan also said the atlanta falcons were going to win the super bowl. >> eboni: we will continue the conversation. president trump firing a broadside against the mainstream media after cnn announced the resignation of three journalists involved in a russia-related
now been retracted. the president tweeting: "fake news cnn is looking at big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their phony russian stories. ratings way down!" so they caught fake news cnn cold, but what about nbc, cbs & abc? what about the failing @nytimes & @washingtonpost? they are all fake news!" this afternoon the white house followed up on that. >> i think it is the constant barrage of fake news directed at this president probably that has garnered a lot of his frustration. you point to that report. there are other instances where that outlet you reference has been repeatedly wrong and had to point that out or be corrected. >> eboni: stephen baldwin, feeling like an obvious win. look at the smile on your face. >> stephen: i told you so. no, it's just how much more
proof, evidence, do you need to for people to start understanding bottom line, everybody should give this president a chance to succeed. if it's not crystal-clear at this point. there is in opposition to to what he's doing. there is evidence of it. people have resigned. it is tragic. >> eboni: for those who say they want accountability from the president, is there such a thing in your mind is holding him accountable but not opposing him? >> stephen: absolutely. america wouldn't be america if we didn't hold him accountable. president trump won because of his twitter account. that's how wounded our meeting is. that's a sad state of affairs. >> leo: stephen may be surprised i agree 100%. cnn, msnbc, and the other networks are angry. they are mad because they were
wrong. trump beat them at their own game. what cnn has done, lost credibility. they have the right to cover the news but not to go to a point way they shoulder a vendetta, and that's what it is right now. >> eric: can we maybe recognize this might be a turning point? mainstream media has been like rabid animals, attacking trump on everything to the point where they have enclosed the loopholes on basic research, basic journalism. now maybe this will be a big siren saying we've got to stop. take a step back. you can accuse anthony scaramucci of collusion with the russians when you don't have it. like every news story they decide to put in the paper or put on screen, they better be checking their sources. >> eboni: kennedy, i want to be optimistic. maybe this is a full stop and reset. but "the new york times" came out and apologized and said they would do better. they've been the same. no one has shown improvement.
>> kennedy: when people start to lose their jobs and you see numbers erode, you have to realize there's a big segment of the population who feels underrepresented by politicians in washington and the media. it's an effective punching bag for the president. to your point, leo, you look at these other networks and their long faces on election night. you thought they would turn those frowns upside down where they haven't been able to do that. it's almost july great and you want to say you know watch, she lost. she's not going to be president. someone has to remind her. they've got to remind some of her friends at msnbc and we have to move on. get this country continuing in the right direction. >> eboni: sad faces, looks like election night all over again. >> leo: the individuals at the stations don't represent america. this is inside the beltway. this is disconnect. the people in america do not buy
into their kool-aid attacking trump day in and day out without facts. >> eboni: i look at the updates on my phone from some of these news organizations and they are so petty. it is like really? you're looking for any and everything at this point to bring in, bringing down on policy, if you want to attack them on the merits of things you feel you have a problem with politically or otherwise but the pettiness of the elect is playing in his favor. >> stephen: the positive thing for me is president trump's strategy here is working. it really is working. do your best to speak the truth directly and let all these other news agencies keep stepping in the dirt and slinging mud. americans are seeing the truth. >> eric: and then you make them crazier by pulling some of the press briefings and making them use sketch artists to sketch out spicer. >> leo: trump's twitter account has made cable news
>> eric: pretty exciting day here. i'm thrilled to share with you my new book "the swamp" officially out today. things got wild this morning. i appeared on "fox & friends" to talk about the trump win at the supreme court in health care. we chatted about the swamp a bit. after that, you know what hit the fan. the president retreated and the drudge report posted "the swamp" on his homepage which is probably the most influential new site on the web. thanks to those two things, the swamp has skyrocketed to get to number on amazon. thank you for the support.
my family, friends, and colleagues came out last night to support and celebrate the launch of the new book. we had a blast. >> i want to say congratulations with another must-read fantastic book "the swamp" ." >> i am thrilled for eric. i've been working with eric for over five years. to share the stage so to speak with him every day is incredible. super proud of you and i know "the swamp" is going to be a number one bestseller. >> eric combines brilliance, practicality, economic wisdom and insight. >> great hair, great book. tell me about the book. >> eric: did you read it? >> i just got it right now. >> the thing i am excited about giving and autograph from anderson cooper. i heard this was his book party.
eric bolling? i've got to go. >> eric, congratulations. there is a reason the president loves you. he wants you to drain the swamp. >> eric: "the swamp" started when donald trump set i am running for president and then it turned to drain the swamp. there was a visceral connection between trump and up, people, real people. when i started the project, i thought it was going to be difficult to fill the book. i could do 12 books. >> i am very proud of eric. the first one was amazing, the second book is going to be better. he's worked hard on it, deserves it. >> eric: donald trump, drain the swamp. what a day. we had a blast. this morning, i get to "fox & friends" ," the driver is
in traffic. i was 2 minutes, ran to the set, talked about "the swamp" a little bit and donald trump retreated the tweet and all of a seven things started to take off. matt drudge put it on "the drudge" report. that was incredible. we went from 387 to number two. >> leo: a lot of people love you. >> eric: a lot of people love donald trump and want to watch "the drudge" report every day. wrote the book and trying to figure out a cover. i found this picture. this is the capital building being built on a literal swamp in the mid-1800s. what they did in d.c. is they've drained the literal swamp but left the metaphorical swamp to sit and fester and grow and gro
grow. >> kennedy: great stories, including the true story of what happened on that bridge with mary jo and former senator kennedy. >> eric: ted kennedy went into the drink with mary jo kopechne. he sat on the side of the water and thought about his political career. waited, then went back to the party he was asked, had another cocktail, goes home to a hotel and complaints that the hotel is too loud to the manager. he falls asleep, his friends, and say you've got to get back over there. your cars in the water. they found out she was alive for a period of time and she would have been saved if he had gone back for he was a great swimmer. he was a competitive swimmer. >> sad to hear that. >> leo: the one thing i'm
interested in, you mentioned about term limits. i heard a guy named newt talk about term limits. is it possible? >> eric: so they have to vote themselves out of their own jobs? here's the thing. people ask me. one is he going to start draining the swamp? getting all of this political capital and these economic numbers, i think he turned around and if he gets health care and tax reform and infrastructure, then he has office capital. time to start doing things like term limits. getting rid of people. get rid of everyone who is not producing in d.c. >> eboni: i think that makes sense. for those on the fence and didn't like either candidate because they were unpopular, that was the tilting point permitting towards trump, the ability to feel like if there can be some improvement, we've got to go with trump. if you are not producing, not making sense businesswise. >> eric: treat the oval office
>> kennedy: it is time to circle back with our specialists stephen baldwin and leo terrell. look at you two. stephen, do you enjoy being in new york city? a stone's throw away, your brother. >> stephen: lex luther. >> eboni: do you get in fights around the thanksgiving table? >> stephen: i don't know what you are talking about. i am making up a new bumper sticker that says "he won. i am done." things around the house are okay. >> eric: your brother plays donald trump. trump has a russia problem but you are having a russia good thing going on in your life? >> stephen: it's cool. a russia thing is proving itself to be totally false, a buddy of
mine named max kaiser, he and i are partnering together and producing a new program i will host, a road show. going out on a tour bus, rv, going to state fairs and techniques talking about all walks of american life about what is america to you. how did we arrive here? i want to take the twitter mentality, the direct idea, and hear directly from americans about who they are, what they are at, and what they believe america is about. >> eboni: you used to be a public school teacher. what do you think about kids going to school year-round? >> leo: i taught at a year-round school and i thought it was great. glad to be here. >> kennedy: fantastic. thank you to our fox news specialists stephen baldwin and leo terrell very my thanks for
letting me sit in for kat timpf. follow the show on social media at specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook. 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" is next. >> i am bill hemmer in for bret baier. senate republicans are waving the white flag at least for the week on health care reform. the vote before the july 4th vacation will not happen after all. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel on the hill on why the effort has been put on pause. good evening. >> good evening. back to the drawing board for health care reform. senate republicans back from a powwow at the white house, forced to pull the bill this afternoon after a division among their ranks forced leadership without enough votes to bring the bill to the floor. the president remains unwavering. >> this will be great if we get it