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brave. thank you to all our troops who risked their lives to make so many sacrifices for us. have a happy fourth, everybody. >> i am eboni k. williams with kat timpf and eric bolling. thank you for joining us for a special edition of "the fox news specialists." politics, justice, and scandal. happy fourth of july, america. we have a packed show today, bring you everything from politics to celebrity justice, a brand-new feature, and so much more beer let's meet today's specialists. former arizona congressman, former talk radio show host in a current host on newsmax tv any specialized in everything broadcasting. j.d. hayworth is here. she's the author of a book called "government gone wild," a
contributor at "the hill," and she specializes in being an obsessed ron paul group b. kristin tate is here. let's start with president trump in his time in office. how we as a show think he's doing. we will break it down into issues and we will give him a grade. foreign policy. from day one president trump is taking a firm stance on keeping america safe and reestablishing the u.s. as a leading global superpower. but his method of delivery has been untraditional. leaving some to doubt the seriousness of his message. here is senator chris coons. >> i continue to be uncomfortable with foreign policy decisions made by tweets and frankly candidate trumps that he would be unpredictable in foreign affairs and president trump has certainly delivered. >> eric: unpredictable.
who put that sound bite in the beginning? that's the way you want to kick off donald trump's foreign policy debate. i think he has been the opposite of unpredictable. he's been very decisive. let's not forget 59 tomahawk missiles delivered into syria. the night that chinese prime minister xi was at a state department dinner. let's not forget when kim jong-un started playing games, testing rockets, started testing nukes and whatnot. donald trump brought three aircraft carrier groups into the region, into the korean peninsula. that is decisive, not inconsistent. >> kristin: just because it's decisive doesn't mean it can't be unprintable. he has said he wants to be unpredictable, and i think it's an asset in foreign policy. obama used to announce everything were going to do before we did it. >> eric: or not do. >> kristin: i think it made us weaker on the international stage. trim can utilize the element of surprise to instill a little
fear. >> j.d.: the perception of unpredictability. here's a guy who goes with is a gut and things not the way the bunch at that state department at foggy bottom wants it expressed. he says what's on his mind. it's a language that resonates with much of america but not with those in diplomatic quarters. >> kat: i think part of it is he was so anti-getting involved in syria as a candidate and now is the president, a little bit less so. i think some people might think, what is his doctrine? he sounds anti-interventionist. but he is sending missiles and all that kind of thing. that might be what people mean by unpredictable. i think what people mean is the tweets, he randomly tweets things but i don't really have a problem with the tweets. i don't why people it's only proms with tweets. >> eboni: people are greeting him on two different things. i think he's been consistent, i
agree, eric. >> eric: am going to agree with you on this, i would not agree with the syrian policy but i would definitely agree with his north korean policy. this guy is crazy and threatening some of our allies and troops, so you have to do what you have to do. as far as syria, not our war, not our area. yet he sent tomahawk missiles imprint i'm going to disagree with the policy would give him a a for being consistent. it >> eboni: i think a lot of people felt like when donald trump was going off, much of what we heard on the campaign trail was pure rhetoric. like he was going to be a different thing once he took occupation of the oval. that's not going to be the case. so much of what we have seen -- a lot of what we see has been exactly what he campaigned on. for that, i give him high marks.
>> kristin: i think a lot of trump supporters are disappointed what we're doing in syria. we want to spend resources and energy here at home. there are so many problems plaguing the nation. we don't need to be the world's policeman, so he doesn't lose points for me on syria. why are we there? russia is there. one of their goals is to take out isis. i guess one of our goals is to take out the assad assad regim. but we could get someone worse and there. trump supporters want to focus the energy, money at home instead of trying to police the world. it >> eboni: were going to go around and give him a grade on foreign policy. >> kristin: b+. >> kat: c. >> eric: consistency. i like foreign countries not know in -- not knowing exactly. >> j.d.: it's incomplete because we have yet to see him face his first major foreign
policy crisis. it is coming, but we have yet to see it come to fruition. >> eboni: next up, the economy. candidate trump ran on reviving the american economy, getting folks back to work and putting your money back in your pocket. here is eric speaking with our reporter. >> look at the markets. no one wants to talk about it. dow, s&p 500. everything a one, record highs. open up your 401(k), you are 20% or 15% up. this is real money in the pockets of americans that's what he came in to do. >> eboni: in addition to the markets, since president trump took office, the employment rate has dropped to its lowest level since 2001. consumer confidence up 7%. on this one, i don't know how you can see it any other way other than -- >> eric: you can if you watch the other networks. all you hear is russia or the
collusion. can't find any collusion. obstruction of justice, not yet. you are not hearing any of these numbers on a month-to-month basis. off the charts awesome. eric trump talked about stock prices. that's great, one part of the economy. the other part is housing prices. people own homes or have assets in real estate. that is off the charts on the upper end, and the labor market. we go back and forth on who gets credit for it but if you are a business and you're looking forward, hiring forward, not hiring on the rearview mirror. how did we do last month or last year. how are we going to do going forward and based on the rolling back of regulations that donald trump is done, it's eight or more future. >> eboni: i am happy when people are at work. doesn't matter who gets the credit. i want us to be happy the numbers coming down.
>> kristin: it's a good sign. the most effective report card president can get is the stock market. we have to keep in mind that the stock market doesn't necessarily reflect what's going on in the economy right now. where people think the economy is going. clearly people expect great things under trump but if we don't get health care reform passed, if we don't get tax reform past, we may see a correction in the market. congress hasn't been much help. democrats have been obstructionist and the republicans, it's like herding cats. >> j.d.: it's not easy to govern in a constitutional republic. it's fun to campaign but when you are serving, it is the top work. in a free society, finding unanimity is difficult. 600,000 new jobs and the other thing eric product, deregulatio deregulation, those are hidden taxes. ways and means, we cut taxes but
remember what milton friedman said. if you want less of something, tax it. take that taxes away, you reignite the engine of economic activity. it's not wall street. it's not mainstreet. it's your street where the difference is made for you will sit at home. that's what the american people are waiting on. >> kat: i think people trust president trump on the economy and like you said this represents confidence. people have confidence to spend money. talked about deregulation which is amazing. i love it when politicians talk about deregulation and creating jobs that way. i love that. on the other hand, sometimes i feel like he gets too involved in the coal industry and things like that don't see how that's different from president to event liberal and gotten involved in green energy. i think the less the president wants to do when it comes to businesses in our country, the better. >> eric: the way he is helping the coal industry is by removing
regulations. >> kat: that part event i like like. >> eric: if you need a good example of what j.d. was talking about on taxes, new york state is one of the most liberal states in the country. it always goes for the democrats. new york state, in order to entice businesses here in new york, governor cuomo is out there campaigning on lower taxes, getting tax breaks and to bring businesses here. why wouldn't it work for democrats nationally? see part i can get wood. historically that's not been the "liberal" agenda. they have to get an economic message. democrats cannot get a message, connect with voters. you are right. cuomo gets it, bloomberg got it. that's the only way to remedy unemployment. >> kristin: i think we agree we need lower taxes but trump can't do that on his own. he needs help from congress
pretty needs help from the other republicans and democrats. he's doing as much as he can. the order he passed for one regulation to get slashed. >> eboni: report card on the economy. >> kristin: a+. >> kat: i don't know. i don't want to pick a letter grade. i'm so radical and such an ideologue when it comes to government involvement that it has to be pretty severe to give a letter a but i would see a b. >> eric: i will do 100%. trying to find an economic indicator that's gone down. >> eboni: i think there is projecting going on. i give an a. >> j.d.: a+ plus, happy face, check, plus marks. it's a very good start with the economy, and partially perception and attitude but also a business guy in charge. bottom line is, my colleagues in
the congress, former colleagues enjoy this july 4th break. you need to stay through august to get these things done to realize the tax reform. >> eboni: powerful mandate. last but certainly not least, the issue of immigration refugees. remember the "build the wall" chance. issuing a travel ban, funds to the wall. hall part of the buy american, hire american plan. >> the media, these people, like to talk about separating families but the families they never talk about are the american families separated forever from the ones they love because we don't protect our borders and uphold the immigration laws of the united states. i promise those families the
deaths of their loved ones will not have been in vain and that we will take strong and forceful action to fulfill our sacred duty to save and protect american lives. >> eboni: eric, obviously we all know about kate steinle and so many other americans have been taken for us from because of the acts of not just undocumented people but people that are violent, horrendous people. they come into our country. i think on that issue people can agree. >> eric: last week and into this week, the travel ban upheld at least partially at the supreme court. that's good, a win for donald trump. he has talked about fast removal of 2 million criminal illegal aliens that's going to go forward. it's going to make the country safer. and late last week, we heard there are prototypes of the wall being built and i'm happy about that.
the threat of that wall has brought illegal immigration down. i give him and a across-the-board. mexico is going to pay. >> kristin: i am skeptical he's going to get funding for the wall but trump has completely change the dialogue when it comes to illegal immigration period he was saying things on the campaign trail that other republicans were too cowardly to say. he addressed real concerns of americans. under obama, we were letting in hundreds of thousands of convicted illegals in on u.s. soil. >> j.d.: this is music to my ears. this is why donald trump is the president of the united states. if he starts to backward from this, there will be real problems but right now a+. >> eboni: kristin, i don't know. there are a lot of people in predominately hispanic communities who called obama the deep order in chief. >> kat: hard in order to think yet my fever thing about is
performance on immigration so far is that there is no wall. i like that there is no wall. it's so expensive and i think there are better ways we could take care of the issue. removing some welfare incentive incentives. we would save money twice that way. trump and his attitude and itself has been enough to keep record rates of immigration lower. >> j.d.: are we going to take down the fence around the white house? take down the barriers in front of the capital? border security is national security red i don't disagree with the other economic incentives that are reversed but things done. >> eric: donald trump hasn't put the wallop but he's going to. the fact that illegal immigration is down 70% or so, donald trump is the wall. >> kat: i'm not going to buy a lot that cost billions.
>> eboni: eric bolling sits down with president trump and breaks down his concerns about north korean dictator kim jong-un and later kat is taking the temperature of what american people, what other big holidays in america should be celebrating. stay with us. how your clothes smell can say a lot abut you. that's why new downy protect and refresh conditions fibers to... ...lock out odors. >> this is a fox news alert. i am bret baier. president trump is about to make remarks at a military families picnic on the south lawn of the white house. first remarks since the north korean firing of an icbm. we don't expect them to address
this. you listen to the national anthem on this fourth of july. let's take a listen. >> ♪ what so proudly we hailed ♪ at the twilight's ♪ last gleaming ♪ whose broad stripes ♪ and bright stars ♪ through the perilous fight ♪ o'er the ramparts we watched ♪ were so gallantly streaming ♪ and the rockets' red glare ♪ the bombs bursting in air ♪ gave proof through the night ♪ that our flag ♪ was still there ♪ o say, does that ♪ star spangled banner ♪ yet wave
♪ o'er the land of the free ♪ and the home of the brave >> boy, oh, boy. what a fantastic voice, wow. thank you very much. welcome, everyone. the rain has stopped just as we came out. i don't know what that means but it's not bad. happy fourth of july. great honor to have you with us. melania and i truly appreciate and celebrate america's
independence with those who courageously defend our country, the men, women, and families of the united states military. it is because of you that well over 300 million american citizens can live in freedom. there is one military family here today i am especially excited to recognize. our great vice president, mike pence, and our second lady, never heard that term before but that's what they say. she is some lady. that i can tell you. of the united states, karen pentz, are here along with their son marine first lieutenant michael pence. great. great.
michael, not only are your parents proud of you. not only am i proud of you, but america, michael, is very proud of you. thank you. america is proud of all of the brave men and women who serve in every branch of our great military. we have outstanding representatives of each service, each branch. they are with us today. we have army. we have navy, we have air force. we have marines. we have coast guard. we love our coast guard. representing the united states army, she served 14 years. today she is company commander in support of old guard where she oversees the 120 soldiers who protect the tomb of the
unknown soldier. it's beautiful. the captain is joined by her husband. thank you both for your service and thank you to every soldier here with us today and serving our nation. and serving us all around the world. you are truly the army of the free. from the marines, we have a sergeant with a marine helicopter squadron. the sergeant is senior technician and martial arts instructor and trainer for the entire squadron. thank you and thank you for being here. we lay claim to a special title.
you are a united states marine. that's a special title. thank you, sergeant. from the navy, lieutenant commander, and oceanographer, her leadership has improved the atmosphere and what she's done is so incredible, having to do with sensing, modeling, and predicting. the electro magnetic warfare capabilities of various countries and hopefully we won't be thinking about too much. but she's there and she's got the information like nobody has. we think allison and her husband lieutenant commander michael maybury here with their childre children. our incredible sailors embody the navy credo: not for self but for country.
thank you. from the air force, we have technical sergeant, he is responsible for leading security forces that protect the president, vice president, and visiting foreign heads of state. a big job, important job. we want to thank you. thank you to every member of the air force who gives our nation total superiority in the air, striking fear into the hearts of our enemies and inspiring hopes in the hearts of our friends all around the world. finally, representing the coast guard we have petty officer first class tony franklin. gunner's mate and directly responsible for the armament of 17 units. he has led countless gunnery and
pyrotechnic demonstration so don't think the fireworks are going to a present very much but i will tell you they are going to impress you. thank you, tony. i want to thank everyone in the coast guard. i was at the coast guard academy this year, gave the commencement address. it was an amazing, incredible group of people. really great day. thank you, tony, very much. each of you here today represents the rare combination of patriotism, virtue, and courage. that our citizens have always, and i mean always, admired and that our enemies have always feared. at this moment, your brothers and sisters in arms are posted around the globe fighting our enemies and standing watch to protect our nation. they are fighting for us. we are thinking them, praying for them, and saluting them for their selfless sacrifice. there could be no greater privilege than to serve as your
commander-in-chief. i pledge my unwavering support for you, for your families, and your missions. i will always have your back. i will always under all circumstances, i will always have your back. i want to tell you our country is doing really, really well. no matter where you look. the economy is blazing and on every front, we are doing well. we do have challenges but we will handle those challenges, believe me. you are parts of a new and truly great generation. two days ago, i spoke with a lieutenant colonel who served as the copilot of the lead be 25 bomber pilot and piloted by
lieutenant colonel jimmy doolittle during the during 1942 raid after the attack on pearl harbor. lieutenant colonel cole and the rest of the doolittle raiders launch their aircraft in the sky knowing they would not have enough fuel to return to friendly territory. that's not a good feeling. that's a lot of courage. our servicemen and women are preserving the legacy of courage and selfless service that they inherited from lieutenant colonel dick cole and so many others. may god bless you all. may god bless our military. may god bless forever the united states of america. thank you very much for being here. happy fourth of july. thank you very much.
thank you. happy fourth of july, everybody. thank you very much. >> president trump and first lady melania trump on the south lawn in front of military families gathered there for their fireworks celebration tonight on the fourth of july, mentioning each one of the services. the president talking about specific members in the audience and their families, thanking them for their service and providing freedom, he said, to this country paid what he did not talk about was north korea and the latest test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, the biggest threat facing the u.s. currently. we have only seen a couple tweets from president trump on this issue. we expect to hear more from the administration, possibly tonight, as you see the president making his way to the south lawn and those military families. let's check in with kevin corke on the north lawn for the lates
latest. >> we have been watching this story unfold throughout the day. yesterday at 2:40:00 p.m. in the afternoon hawaii time, pyongyang launching the internet -- intercontinental ballistic missile. we were unsure of the range of the missile but as the studies continue it appears to have a range of about 4,000 miles and that's significant because that means that type of missile could ultimately reach the state of alaska. you may have heard the president talk about this on a number of occasions. he hasn't so much as talked about a redline, if you will, but he's made it clear in numerous statements. as recently as friday and the rose garden with the leader of south korea, the president making it clear that the time for strategic patience as it relates to north korea is over. he didn't address it now but as you pointed out, we expect to hear more from the
administration is it not only continues to have conversations at the very senior level about what's happened in pyongyang and from the government of kim jong-un but also with the international community and response just might be, bret. >> looking at life pictures. the familiar view of people raising their smartphones to try to get pictures of the first family and second family. along with their marine son, michael. let me turn to the pentagon. jennifer griffin following the situation. a lot has happened. it's a holiday but we've seen this from north korea before, and the pentagon is an action. >> let me start by saying we were not surprised that president trump did not address the north korean situation. we have been told that the statements tonight will likely come out of the state department. this is an administration that's going to let actions, not words,
be there response. we have seen north korea test listed -- ballistic missiles. it's insignificant today because it's the first time north korea has tested an icbm. as kevin reported, it's believed to have a range of 4,000 miles. that's extremely significant. what we do know is that the missile that was today by north korea flew for 37 minutes. it flew in a parabola shape, if you will. and it flew 1700 miles into the atmosphere. it's a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile. the pentagon officially is not giving any statements about the icbm. they are saying they are still assessing however, we have spoken to officials who confirmed that it's believed
this is the first time north korea has fired an icbm. what's also of note is that this missile, the last time north korea fired a long-range missile, it was on mother's day in may and that missile flew for 30 minutes. this was 7 minutes longer. it was also a 400-mile higher into the earth's atmosphere. this is really a very big step forward i would expect the pents taking this seriously. u.n. security council pair they have called for an emergency meeting tomorrow, but it's also notable that china is for july, the head of the u.n. security council. it's going to be an uphill battle making an argument of the u.n. security council tomorrow. >> bret: jennifer griffin at the pentagon. let's turn to james rosen. james, for perspective, north korea has liked, in the
past, to fire off things on the fourth of july. different holidays, mother's day. but this one was different. according to people in the region and experts have been looking at this, it's not only the range of the missile but also how it was fired. stiglitz important for our viewers to stand. with the range to strike all of alaska. first such test by north korea that employed a mobile launcher. instead of using a fixed position they can load this icbm onto a more or less a truck, like a flatbed, move it around, undercover if you will end this makes it much harder for the united states to attract such a test when it's about to be launched and disrupted prior to launch. frightening development. a professor at san angelo university in one of the reigning experts on the
kim jong-un regime wrote "this is the big story we've all been waiting for. all of the paradigms have changed. not just because of an icbm but also because of the mobile launcher." one final point, president trump's remark, he did not mention north korea. there was one point he appeared to veer off script and ad lib. and he mentioned the economy is blazing and after that, one expected him to say something about foreign affairs. having just mentioned about the policy. and he appeared to issue a veiled threat to north korea, at least by my reading, when he said will handle those challenges. believe me. >> bret: james comeau quickly. it's very complex. responding to this issue because the military options don't look good. they come with a lot of threats. you wonder what the response will be tonight from this administration. >> we have already seen they are
convening the security council. there will be some tough statements issued but because of the choices that have been made by presidents going back to different parties for about 25 years, our options with north korea are exceedingly limited right now. we will explore that in greater depth at "special report" tonight. the one thing we have seen is that he's tired of using china as an intermediary. he tweeted last month that has not worked out, at least i know china tried. >> bret: james rosen here in washington as we continue to look live on the south lawn. president trump acknowledging military families on this fourth of july, getting ready for fireworks here in washington but it's fireworks have a different kind that have the attention of the national security team at the white house, state department, pentagon, at the united nations, and that is the firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile by the north koreans. kim jong-un has fired more missiles than his father and
grandfather combined. she is obviously a leader who was trying to send a message, trying to get to a destination with the capability and trying to change the entire geopolitical landscape. i will be back at the top of the hour for a full hour of "special report." "the fox news specialists" continues after a quick break.
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>> eboni: welcome back to this special edition of "the fox news specialists." politics justice and scandal. our specialists are kristin tate and j.d. hayworth. we will continue with the justice portion. brand-new section of the show, celebrity justice. going to break down two cases and get thoughts. the first case is the most popular right now that is bill cosby. after 30 hours of deliberation, the jury in that case was unable to deliver a guilty verdict and there was a mistrial. now he is facing a new legal
challenge, this time in california, a lawsuit accusing him of sexually assaulting a teen at the playboy mansion over 40 years ago. this woman is claiming when she was 15 years old she was at the playboy mansion and was forced to perform lewd acts on bill cosby. it's a 40-year-old case. >> eric: is there a statute of limitations? >> eboni: civilly, no. she wasn't able to bring criminal charges. he's got no more criminal charges. the case with andrea can't con. >> eric: there are so many accusers. they need to keep digging. they are going to eventually get him. >> eboni: i think a lot of particularly women feel that 60-plus voices saying something happened, when there is smoke, there is fire. a 40-year-old case can be hard
to prove in a court of law. >> kristin: i'm not an attorney so i don't know anything about the legal aspects from a p.r. perspective, this is so sad. i have lost all respect for bill cosby. he stood for a lot of good values, the family unit and overcoming hardships. as soon as these allegations came out, he started walking with the cane and he said he can't see well now. maybe still doing some acting. >> kat: bill cosby is a serial rapist. i don't believe nearly 60 women are lying. whenever i say something like this, i always hear from people on twitter was sometimes say innocent until proven guilty. yeah, yeah, yeah, in a court of law. not in the court of public opinion. these cases can be hard to prove in the best thing is may be punishing from civil, social, cultural way by coming out and saying obviously i don't care who you were on tv.
i don't care how cute everyone thought you were back in the day, nearly 60 women are not lying. you are a stick, serial rapist and disgusting pig and you should go away. >> j.d.: his p.r. consultant say he's going to go on the lecture circuit. hey, kids, don't get involved in this kind of thing. memo to bill, and this is tragic because you've gone from a comic, like a jack benny icon to a horrific sense of shame but the bottom line is, we don't need lectures from bill cosby. i don't think -- what is he going to do? it's not going to work. >> eboni: we know he's going to be standing trial again for the same issue and i will say the civil case fortunately has a lower standard of proof. you don't have to get to the aunt a reasonable doubt. maybe there will be a vertex.
our other case of celebrity justice is the saga of o.j. simpson. parole hearing conducted with the nevada border of parole commissioners on july 20. oj is serving a nine to 30-year sentence. he was found not guilty of the tragic killings of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman but many people felt he was thrown the book on this case where he is trying to steal back his assets or whatever because many people thought he got away with murder. >> eric: kind of like legal karma. over that. i remember the bronco chase, the trial, it was amazing. what came down to, who didn't know when a bloodied glove drives it's going to dry tighter and smaller and you will never be able to get it over a rubber glove. >> eboni: chris darden, god blessed them, he did the best he could. he has still not really recovered. tragic misstep by the
prosecution. >> eric: it gave the jury a reason to go with not guilty. >> eboni: kristin, not sure how much of this case you remember. >> kristin: i saw the documentary on netflix. >> eric: then you are qualified to weigh in. >> kristin: many not many peope can say they got away with murder. but he did. i heard if he gets out, he and casey anthony might do a reality show so i kind of want him to get out just so i can watch that. >> eboni: oh, no. >> j.d.: i was a candidate for congress, doing a fundraiser in flagstaff. the chase comes on television. >> eboni: cut into an nba finals game, how serious it was. >> j.d.: you are the attorney. i'm not a lawyer, don't play one on tv but this case here was the officials "getting it right" in
terms of public perception. >> kat: i think the sentence was supposed to sentence him for getting away with murder. do your point, i don't know how you get away with murder and then decide armed robbery is a good idea. >> eboni: i advise my clients when they get acquitted to fall back and lay low. coming up, the swamp. that is the title of eric bolling's new book and we will delve into some of the most compelling parts of it next. stay with us. time was of the essence and i needed answers. who was this guy? what were his intentions? do you do the yoga? n-no, no sir
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>> eric: my new book "the swamp" off to a fantastic start thanks to you, the fans. "the swamp" wouldn't exist without d.c.'s long histories of scandals and politics. as i was working on the book, i was fascinated by what i learned about senator ted kennedy and his infamous car crash in 1969 with mary jo kopechne. j.d., i will start with you. >> j.d.: i am of a certain
age. >> eric: doing the homework from the book, ted kennedy was with five friends, all married men, married elected officials with six very young single woman at the time, partying, having a cocktail party. kennedy leaves, peels off with mary jo kopechne, drives the car to the water, the car goes underwater paired he gets out because he's a good swimmer but sits on the edge of the water for a period of time. self-admitted leases there and decides not to go help her but instead go back to the party, have a cocktail. most people know about that part. then he does something amazing, goes back to his hotel room, has a drink, complains about the loud noise in his hotel. the next morning, when the coroner got the body out of the water, the coroner said she was alive in the car for a period of time and could have been saved. >> j.d.: i think about that and i think about his televised address. he gave a speech. "i sat there, my lungs filling with water." he gave a dramatic reenactment.
it is horrible, sorted. of greater concern to me is what ted kennedy did in 1984, sitting down with the soviets saying we have to get rid of this reagan guy. that to me, in terms of public morality, is a far more egregious sin. the human dimension of what happened at chappaquiddick something that cost kennedy the presidency. >> eric: the reason i started the book with this, she died. everyone knew about it pretty was reelected several times. >> eboni: people's memories can be very short and people going to reinvent their legacies as they would have them. people get up are reminded of the history and reminded of the truth and reminded of the complicity of some of these people that we prop up because of their elected officials. they are more complex than that. >> eric: the swamp is deeper, murkier. the capitol building, d.c. was built on literal swamp. drain the swamp, build the building but they left the
metaphorical swamp to fester. >> kat: so much corruption is allowed and people get away with it. nothing like ted kennedy really shows that. that's disgusting. did he not think people are going to find out? it wasn't like it she stays there then nobody notices she's gone. i mean, it just shows this level of comfort you could have if you feel like it's impossible for anyone to take you down. >> eric: well, he's a kennedy. he testified that he sat there on the bank of the river while she was in the car, thinking about his political future. >> kat: you have a comfort level and politics and privilege that you kind of almost cease to be a human being. >> eric: the swamp is almost like everyone in d.c. is for sale. >> kristin: congrats on the book. this is the epitome of the swamp. there needs to be two levels of justice. one for the politically connected and one for the rest of us. a more modern version of this is what we saw with hillary clinto hillary clinton. she used an unsecured email server illegally and then she
had her mobile devices destroyed, subpoenaed by congress. they are untouchable, these bureaucrats. i'm glad you wrote this book. >> eric: donald trump, after a segment on "fox & friends," retreated about the book, matt drudge put it up on his influential website and that's how it really -- >> eric: work it's doing phenomenal. the timeliness, it's right on time. >> eric: thank you, everybody for buying it. when we return, we circle back with j.d. haworth and kristin tate. the right back. ♪
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>> i sleep in ron paul pajamas. everything that comes out of his mouth is gold. >> kat: i do it too. i'm glad i'm not alone. >> j.d.: is there a lunchbox? >> eboni: i want to circle back with you, j.d. we didn't get to your chosen holiday. >> j.d.: cat on the street, great segment. on this july 4th, a modest proposal that we really start to celebrate september 17, constitution day. technically it's a holiday but we don't give it the reverence we need. "miracle at philadelphia" is the book. the constitution is a miracle we continue to enjoy.
>> kat: every day is constitution day for me. >> eric: kristen, you love ron paul. what do you think of rand paul? >> kristin: i think he sold out on a little bit of libertarian ideology. the end of the day, i am for anyone who is who is for smallr government. lower regulations, lower taxes. >> eboni: doesn't he live in the shadow of his father? >> j.d.: some of us have thought about going to the senate, right, eric? >> kat: thank you to our fox news specialists j.d. haworth and kristin tate and we thank you all for watching. follow us on social media at specialistsfnc on twitter and facebook. remember, 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" is next.
>> bret: this is a fox news alert. i am bret baier in washington on this fourth of july. it's a ballistic missile, not holiday fireworks, that has the attention of americans and others around the world. north korea says it has successfully tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile. u.s. officials concede that the north koreans may have changed the entire dynamic with this launch. while the u.s. intelligence community is not sure how far the communist north is in its effort to put a nuclear weapon on a missile, they say that missile test fire last night might have been able to reach alaska. reports for whom the region