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fair, balanced, and still unafraid. "the story" starts in a moment. ♪ >> martha: welcome, tonight on independence day, we are grading the president. we are going to bring you more than 20 voters from across the political spectrum to get their thoughts on the trump presidency so far. we find ourselves roughly halfway through the presidents first year. six months packed with his legislative goals, a few misses. we know repealing and replacing obamacare has been delayed yet again until after the fourth of july holiday and the president is hinting the congress not reaching a deal is a distinct possibility.
watch. >> this will be great for everybody. i always say it. >> martha: you never quite know. the delay met with some lawmakers declaring victory. others warning of an obamacare collapse. >> we know the fight is not over, that's for sure. >> i will believe we will get ts. >> as a republican leader pulls his bill, this fight is not over. >> if we don't reach an agreement by friday, it's probably the end of a sole party efforts for health care. if we don't reach by friday the way forward is obamacare collapse is. challenge democrats to work with us. >> martha: president trump, never one to us shy away from calling it as he sees it. "with zero democrats to help, failed obamacare as a legacy, republican senators are working
hard." we turn to our bipartisan panel. welcome to all of you. great to have you here. representing a lot of variety of opinions out there in the country. given what we just talked about in the battle you saw going on this week in congress over repealing and replacing obamacare, who wants to start with their thoughts? sir, tell us what you are and where you're from. >> i am a prior army officer and former nypd lieutenant and criminal justice professor here in new york city. donald trump has been focused on a return on his campaign promises, such as repeal and replacement of obamacare. i don't think he thought of the strategy because when you look at the entitlement spending with this new bill that's been introduced to far of the current obamacare statute. i think it's necessary for him to take some time, sit down with the right people and come up
with something that's significant. i commend the five senators that are holding this up, these republican senators are doing the right thing because they realize the entitlement spending is too far. >> martha: raise your hand if you agree with that. if you feel republicans, if you are a republican, do you feel they are compromising too much? and you want the government more removed from your health care. who would agree? all right, what what about democrats who believe they want republicans to come to the middle? do you think there's any compromise? tell us who you are. >> i am from d.c. i'm an attorney. republicans are trying to basically wipe obama away from the history books and it's less about health care and more about trying to rectify the 2008 election. health care is something that is
so personal to every american. it seems like it might be a middle ground where democrats and republicans can meet. obamacare was a republican idea from the heritage foundation before anything else. seems republicans are more concerned with a win. >> i am a writer. health care is personal and that's why we don't want the government controlling our health care. i think this has everything to do with care not a lot about politics because you look at obamacare. we have seen premiums double since 2013. we've seen deductibles go through the roof. it's a complete disaster. we want the government out. we want affordable, better care. i think the senate health care is not the best answer. it's not the perfect bill but it's better than we have now. >> martha: becomes a question of whether you believe the federal government should have control over the health care system and is health care aright in this country?
that the basic question. >> i am a priest and bishop but also a law enforcement officer. i think the mess president trump is trying to cleanup with regard to obamacare, something needs to be done. obamacare was a overreach. i've seen so many people including myself who been affected by high costs, something radical needed to be done. what he's doing right now isn't necessarily perfect. something needs to be done to stem the tide before they are so many people who just can't afford health insurance and can't find providers. >> martha: are you concerned about the growth of the entitlement? do you think republicans on the hill are allowing this bill to basically expand obamacare or extend obamacare in a way that, do you think it's right? >> i worked on capitol hill for a long time before i moved to
pennsylvania and started doing what i do now. i've seen the congress operate for a very long time and people talk about reform. it comes back to people getting an office, they go to washington and they put these entitlements in. i've seen it happen over and over again. >> martha: raise your hand if you are in favor of what you have seen come out of the republican house and senate? nobody. >> kind of. >> i am a grass roots advocate. to what that young man was saying, i think it's outrageous to say that this is some referendum against obama from 2008. if president trump really wanted to do the most politically expedient thing he would lead obamacare completely, as he says, crash and burn. there are states where people do not even have even one plan
provider left. people that they say oh, yes, they have health coverage but the deductibles are so high they can't ever afford to use it. if you want to come he should let it go and the people would suffer. because he cares about americans and loves this country and loves our citizens he's willing to have the arguments in the debate. i think it's healthy that the house and senate, they are digging their heels in on certain things. have a healthy debate. the media wants to paint it as discord. it's a debate. that's what congress is supposed to do. they will come up with a final product. it may not be perfect but it will be better than what we have now and they can move forward. >> congress is working in this situation. i am with a republican committee, former business owner and in sales. what's going on now with health care is healthy. it's a great thing that congress is debating it. it's a great thing that you have
some senators that are looking at this and saying we want this to be better. obamacare was a disaster. it is a disaster. it's falling apart. it was rushed through in the middle of the night. no republicans voted for it. most of the democrats didn't read it. nancy pelosi saying we have to pass it before we know what's in it. it's healthy what's going on with this bill. to someone else's point where they mentioned about trying to erase obamacare. if someone is trying to right or wrong, isn't erasing someone or doing the right thing? there were things during the past eight years that obama did that kept the country stagnant. our economy was still -- sitting still. a lot of the things president trump has done so far has been to take away a lot of the regulations that obama put in place that stifle businesses. if you call that erasing a legacy or erasing a person, then
it's a great thing. what we need is a president who is going to stand up for the american people. we have that. we need a president who's going to keep his promises, and we have that. so i like what president trump is doing so far. i like the fact that he's letting congress run its course on the health care bill. >> martha: time for one more comment. >> i am a nonprofit executive from boston and grew up with romney-care, if you will, in massachusetts. this was pushed through without public hearing. we are not debating. we are campaigning. it's sound bites. having a conversation, i would much rather see our leaders negotiating. >> martha: would you like to hear chuck schumer say let me get together with republican senators, let's sit down and
talk about it. are you disappointed that hasn't happened? >> i am disappointed with chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell. sit down and have a conversation. america needs to solve this. >> martha: it may happen. that may be where they find themselves next week. we're going to take a quick break and come back with more time to talk about what everybody is feeling as they look at things on this fourth of july. from day one, cloud has hung over this administration. concerns over russian interference in the election. they have ballooned into full-blown investigations. the president fired the director of the fbi, special counsel was appointed. are americans hungry for closure on this or do they have more questions? we will ask panel after this. >> frankly, james comey confirmed a lot of what i said, and some of the things he said just weren't true. thank you very much. the number one
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evidence of wrongdoing by the trump campaign. try telling that to the critics. many are moving onto new allegations. watch this. >> live got to do the investigation. that is what leads to impeachment. >> there is no facts, no evidence whatsoever that the president or our team had any coordination with the russians. >> there is no question he abused power. whether he obstructed justice remains for the fax to come forward. >> mueller is going to go after obstruction of justice but he is on a hunt to get the president and it has nothing to do with the original russian story. >> martha: we are back with our panel of 22 american voters. what jumps out at you? >> i am a business consultant. i've got to tell you every time i hear this it drives me crazy because i really feel it's a witch hunt i really feel that in my point of view, i feel the democrats were so upset about the loss of the presidency that they just keep going after him and it stops him from doing a
lot of things. they get in the way and i wish for their sake they would focus on themselves and moving forward and working together. make the country better. what ends up happening is trump keeps moving forward and while he's moving forward, you guys are chasing him and set of figuring out who the democratic person is going to run next time. if you guys have these concerns, focus on your own stuff. let him do his stuff. >> martha: who is a democrat who disagrees? >> i am an emergency room doctor in new jersey. one of the things that always strikes me about this discourse is how partisan it is. in the clip we just heard they talk about our team. in your comments, you spoke about our side. what strikes me is that this is a quintessential example of people putting politics over country. let the investigation continue. let the facts come out we can go from there. >> martha: does it bother you when you hear democrats talking about impeachment? >> what happens when it's been
going on and on and on. almost six months. haven't found anything. what are we looking for. let's focus on what's going on. we have all kinds of stuff going on with obamacare. let's work together and get things done instead of this nonsense. you're not going to be able to impeachment. the election is over. he's the president let's focus on -- >> martha: a chance to respond. >> i agree that there's other problems our country has to face. that can go on in parallel with the investigation. part of what has complicated the process is that the president and the executive branch continues to step in either through tweets or other actions, that casts further doubt. >> martha: haven't heard from this gentleman. >> i work for a grassroots organization in new jersey. echoing sentiments about this being politicized. president trump has shot himself in the foot when he fired director comey. it's a problem he brought on
himself and it adds to the story that there -- when there is smoke, there is fire. if he wants this to go away, he would cooperate with the investigation. he didn't have to fire the director but he did. all these accusations coming. so it's his fault. >> martha: in the bow tie. >> thank you. i work in social media counterterrorism and i'm a member of the harlem g.o.p. to their previous points, the partisanship's is something we need to move beyond but understand that there are bigger problems and bigger fish to fry. the russian issues we are dealing with are more of cybersecurity. they are more of national security. those are the issues we should be focused on. with no proof coming into the allegations that have come forward, i think it is put up or shut up time. put something forward that's an indictment or it's time to table it. >> martha: let's play the
sound bite with newt gingrich. >> i have said i think the president -- president obama should testify. why would they keep it secret from the american people for five months. the things they did to retaliate were pathetically weak, which was the obama model in foreign policy. >> martha: new question, the obama administration had intelligence that there were efforts to get into 29, 21 to 30 states voter rolls and software and they knew the dnc had been broken into over the summer. were they forceful enough explaining what was going on? should they have said more? >> what has happened is the epitome of hypocrisy. president obama knew, as you said, there was intelligence there was russian interference somehow heavy if they didn't see
anything about it because as president trump has rightly said, they thought hillary clinton was going to win. it only became a problem after problem after-the-fact. when you say they do it to themselves, director comey did that to himself. director comey indicated himself and loretta lynch. him leaking a story to a friend, the professor, to get a special counsel. if that is not trying to be partisan and influence what's going on. >> i worked on the hillary clinton campaign and we knew towards the end of the summer that there was some hacking going on and the president came out and said there were instances where russians were trying to hack into our database. i think it's ironic to hear republicans talk about voting and voting records in the sanctity of our elections when it comes to having ids and things like that and not being interested in finding out whether there was actual hacking. we have a president who doesn't acknowledge russia did hack into
the election and whether they changed any votes, in 2018 we have an election. in 2020 we have an election. >> martha: you would like to see the president more outspoken and active on further investigations in terms of the upcoming election. not so much about him personally but about the issue which is not going to go away, that's been recognized. >> we as the american people are paying for this investigation. you look at the special counsel, mountainous amounts of money. hasn't risen to the threshold of probable cause. we as the american people are suffering as a result of this. >> martha: we know investigations are popular in washington. they employ a lot of people and keep everybody busy. some are calling the supreme court decision on president trump's travel ban the biggest win of the presidency so far. were going to grade out the president and justice
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>> bret: this is a fox news alert. i am bret baier in washington with the "special report" update. u.s. responding from north korea's testing of an intercontinental ballistic missile which could reach alaska. the u.s. and south korea have just conducted a joint military exercise showing off antimissile defense. let's get more on the situation and the latest response from national security correspondent jennifer griffin at the pentago pentagon. >> good evening. this was a hastily arranged missile, ballistic missile test. joint exercises carried out with the south koreans outside seoul. this is 35 miles from the north korean border. designed to send a very strong message to pyongyang. you can see from the video i just received from the u.s. eighth army that these are short
range surface to surface missiles. they can fly up to about 200 miles, far short of the 4,000-mile intercontinental ballistic missile tested by north korea in the last 24 hours. first time north korea has tested such a long-range rocket. it's important to point out that in 1991 president george h.w. bush pulled out america's tactical nukes officee south korean peninsula. this test was a response to north korea. we have a statement from dana white, spokeswoman for the pentagon. "the united states strongly condemns dprk's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile. we are monitoring and continue to assess the situation in close coordination with our regional allies and partners. the launch continues to demonstrate north korea poses a
threat to the united states and our allies. together with the republic of korea we conducted a combined exercise to show our precision fire capabilities. " >> bret: thank you. let's check in with kevin corke on the north lawn at the white house for the latest. >> good evening. interesting times here at the white house and interesting juxtaposition when you consider you can hear on occasion over my shoulder the celebration happening on the south lawn. the president and first family preparing to welcome into the evening and the fireworks celebration here in the nation's capital u.s. service personnel and their family members. we compare that, this festive atmosphere here, with what's in a high-stakes game of diplomatic chicken, perhaps even military chicken between washington and pyongyang. the president tweeting earlier today, talking about the fact that kim jong-un, the leader of the democratic republic of
north korea, saying he simply doesn't have a life. what's interesting tonight is your looking at two things. what will be the strategy moving forward? we have it on good authority from our sources that senior administration officials are talking about what they might do in response. you heard what jennifer talked about. keep in mind they are saying they are keeping all options on the table. i think there is something else it's very important. china and russia, what might the conversation be like as we look forward to the g20. president trump leaving for that this week. >> bret: kevin corke live on the north lawn. thank you. let's check in with chief washington correspondent james rosen. president trump is the latest in a long line of american presidents to be confronted with north korea's nuclear threat. >> this is true, and the choices made by american presidents across both parties and across the decades dating back to the clinton administration have left the current president donald trump with exceedingly few options for handling the
north korean threat in any satisfactory way. because the military option which we are always told remains on the table would involve perhaps escalatory action by north korea involving its ballistic missile capability, also its conventional artillery capability that would be leveled at the residence of seoul, south korea, and likely cause tens of thousands of casualties. as for right now what the trump administration appears to be doing is focusing, in addition to the military maneuvers, some diplomatic maneuvers. they have requested an emergency open meeting of the u.n. security council that will likely take place in new york tomorrow afternoon and a statement from secretary of state rex tillerson has been released, sang global threats require a global response. in particular, our attention is drawn to the sentence. "any country that hosts north korean guestworkers, provides any economic or military benefits, or fails to
fully implement u.n. security council resolutions is aiding and abetting a dangerous regime." it carries echoes of the bush doctrine from george w. bush's time in office when he said any country that helps, harbors, aides orbits a terrorist is itself a terrorist nation. >> bret: we hear that the military option is on the table but is there really any viable option for the u.s.? >> any exercise of a military option and we did hear the white house national security advisor general mcmaster speak publicly about the military option just last wednesday, again, it's unpalatable to u.s. policymakers precisely because so many residents of seoul, south korea, would be left vulnerable to a counterstrike of some kind by the north koreans. but again, this regime, the kim regime hasn't really been tested in the military sense was difficult to say exactly how it would respond. >> bret: james rosen in washington. thank you. let's bring in the panel.
tim farley, daniel halper, michael needham, syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles. >> well, i understand from james' report military options are scant and i think it's rather embarrassing that we should have had this immediate release of the video from the u.s. as a response. the north koreans have crossed the rubicon. this is an entirely new phase. once i have an intercontinental ballistic missile, they are obviously going to want to put a nuke on top. we are in a totally different world. the video showing we have a surface to surface missile go 200 miles is a pathetic response. if we still had the tactical nukes that we withdrew in 1991,
that would be serious threat. that would be a way of saying you mess with us, we can have in place in theater tactical nukes that could hit your capital. but in the absence of that, it's a very weak response. >> bret: what's next? >> i think whether this national security council at the u.n., but i don't really think that results in much. we are back to preemption, right? this is the action some people are falling for and to decide what's going to happen. we have an irrational player in kim jong-un and i think frankly sometimes we have an irrational player in president trump here we are not sure what he's going to do. i would like to hear from james mattis, not rex tillerson. i think the least, you could move some forces in place. you can have some submarines, ships to be there. but i don't know beyond that how far you would go. >> past presidents have all
screw this up there we know this. this is how we've gotten to this point now. the question is, what are we going to do in the future? what is president trump going to do when the stakes have risen dramatically with icbm capability reaching the united states. if we don't do something about it, it could be life or death for american citizens. >> this is not just north korea. this is the family regime which is much more like a mafia family. we need to come as a country, put constant and unrelenting pressure on the kim family regime. could be a long slog. >> for 25 years, successive administrations have kicked the can down the road. we are at the end of the road. >> bret: as the present lease for the g20 tomorrow, heading to poland. thanks for watching the "special report" update. to him in every weekday.
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>> martha: taking on the war between the white house and the media which reached a fever pitch last week. take a look. >> i think it's the constant barrage of fake news directed at this president probably that has garnered a lot of his frustration. we have gone to a place where if the media can't be trusted to report the news, it's a dangerous place for america. >> can you explain, this administration has done that as well. everybody in this room is only trying to do their job. >> i disagree completely. i think if anything it's been inflamed, it's the dishonesty that often takes place by the news media. >> martha: strong words and then there was this from the president reacting to the recognition resignation of three cnn
journalists in the wake of a bogus new story. >> they caught cnn cold. we do they are all fake news. what does the audience think about this? >> i am a media psychologist. donald trump is making great changes and it's exciting to have this kind of history being made right in front of us. we'll find out he's going to be one of our best presidents. look at the facts. he's bringing jobs back to our country. 318,000 people from february and march had employment they didn't have it before. he's written bills more than any other president.
>> martha: so you are saying the media is not reflecting the reality you are seeing? when do you think? >> the whole fight between the media and administration. the media could be his best friend or worst enemy. he chose to make them his worst enemy and it's terrified the american public. they don't know who to trust. they should they watch fox? should they watch nbc? they don't feel in touch with the world around them. if they can't trust the media outlets, who are they going to trust? >> martha: do you think those outlets have been fair to him? are they treating him based on personality? >> i think it's his responsibility to control the message he's putting out. >> martha: let me go to the woman in the back row. >> i am a mom and attorney and second amendment advocate for it he is too distracted.
call them out once, call them out twice. it's time to let it go and go to work. there are some promises he made, things we want them to act upon such as national reciprocity for concealed carry holders. there are millions of gun owners in this country waiting for action on that. i'm tired of hearing about fake news. i am tired of them responding. he's not controlling the conversation. he's reacting. i would like to see him lead from the front. >> martha: you want him to stop tweeting about fake news and all of that? let me come over here. >> i couldn't agree more. i worry this fight with the media is chewing up important bandwidth. there are more pressing issues. i have patients whose premiums are going to triple under this new senate bill. if they do, i don't know how they're going to be able to make the choice between higher premiums and getting treatments. if that happens, there will be a lot of my patients who go
without coverage. some may lose their lives. instead of dealing with the issue, we are caught up in a back-and-forth over fake media. >> martha: i hear what you are saying. there's been focus on health care this week and an effort to fix the problems you're talking about. his argument is that he can't get his own story out there because there's so much negativity in the press. let me go go to you. >> the president is standing like a boxer. you have a mainstream media which is pretty much an arm of the democratic party hitting with jabs and low blows. the president is bobbing and weaving. he can't get his message out except for one way, twitter. when i see his tweet, it's awesome. i am in direct communication with the president. president trump has been saying that the media is full of fake news and they are out to get
them. he's proven it. >> martha: my friend in the corner. >> i am from ohio. i am an attorney. the best way for the president to get his message out there is to do things, go to rally the senate to get something passed. work on immigration, whether it's to work on health care for all americans. that's the way. he needs to be doing things instead of sitting behind his computer tweeting. that's how you get your message across. >> martha: our friend in the back. >> here's my thing. if twitter is his direct line, why doesn't he tweet about his goals for health care? if he's got all these plans and a direct line to the american people, i don't want to see tweets at 3:00 a.m. about fake news. >> martha: are you concerned about the way he tweets? >> our president has had more slander against him that any other president has ever had in
history. he's been called stupid. he's been called a jerk. he's been called an idiot. guess what. i don't know about anyone else. i have felt the same way. i feel our government, our politicians have spoken down to us. i feel like we've been in the dark. >> martha: a rebuttal and then i've got to go. >> the most slandered, he has not been the most slandered president. we have the birther argument. for him to say he's the most slandered president, i think it's outrageous. we had things i won't even say that were said about our president obama. things that were said about george w. bush. george w. bush. he also received -- >> martha: i have to take a quick break and we're going to come back. as we continue on our efforts to
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let's say the first semester of the presidency. going to someone i haven't heard from. >> i am a housing professional and i'm worried about the american dream. everything we talked about today, we have been distracted. i think the left and right can agree we are hungry for opportunity, a better future, healthy and safe. there's people working full-time who can't put a roof over their head. it is time to get down to brass tacks and start working on policies which are going to provide opportunity for all american people. >> martha: how would you grade the president? >> f. i don't see we are focusing on the things -- >> what about adding jobs? >> i don't see that we are focusing on that are working on the economy you're affording homes people can afford or making families healthier. >> martha: let's go to your next-door neighbor. >> i have been a trump supporter since the day he announced.
i probably give him may be a b- on some things like the courts, jobs, regulations. the things he campaign the hardest on, changing foreign policy, there has been nothing there. we are still in afghanistan. on refugees, we are adding more. on low skilled visas, h2 b visas, we are adding more. hurting our american workers. we are still doing catch and release, arresting illegal immigrants and releasing them. >> martha: you want him to stick more to things he talked about on the campaign trail. you feel like he is moderating too much? >> as an administrator, it's not going well. nikki haley and general kelly and the people don't believe what he believes. >> martha: let's go to the back. >> hi, i am a student. i don't even know how to grade him. every day there is something ne new. rigging, fake news, the stuff
he's trying to pass. every day there is something new and there's always a problem with it. i feel like his administration and everything he does is all over the place in it so hard to give him a grade because nothing is put together. >> martha: i want to pull up a pole. i thought these numbers were interesting. they show the question of competency and how the president is doing. the administration has been competent and effective. 44% say yes and president obama, in 2015, almost halfway through, also at 44% which i find very interesting. >> it's an unfair assessment. you have to take into consideration president obama was a second term president compared to trump coming in initially. when you go to the grades, i think it's fair to assess him as a b. he hasn't been there long. it takes some time, get
legislation passed. taxes, and the affordable care act. it's going to take time to get the legislation passed. you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. >> martha: yes, sir. >> from the roosevelt institute. it didn't take obama that long to get a lot of stuff passed by this time in his presidency. he was on his way to saving the auto industry and getting us out of a major reception. if i were to grade trump, i would be torn between a f and an a. he's going to give huge tax cuts to billionaires and he's failing at the goals. >> martha: let me go to your neighbor. >> president trump has done more in this time period than any other president. [arguing]
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tweet us at period. i am martha maccallum. we will see you tomorrow. tucker's up next. thank you to our great audience. give yourself a round of applause. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to our special july 4th edition of "tucker carlson tonight." we hope our viewers are enjoying the holiday today, one of the greatest ever. we are halfway through 2017 and we have had to spend a lot of time talking about rushing hacking, even though you may have noticed, no evidence has arose that russian agents were responsible for altering the results of last fall's election. consider this interviewee had with congressman adam schiff in december. if we -- we could about the same interview tonight and not much would have changed. >>