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>> thanks for joining us. >> "america's newsroom" starts right now. >> massive and growing protest in germany as world leaders including president trump arrived for the g20 summit. hello i'm melissa. police bringing out water cannons and tear gas. look at this. to deal with the growing crowds from what we can see, dozens have been arrested. all this as the president meets in private with german chance lower angela merkel ahead of his first ever meeting tomorrow with russian president vladimir putin. also in warsaw where the president delivered a powerful speech on foreign policy. highlighting the strong bond between the u.s. and poland and sending a pointed message to the rest of the world. >> our two countries share a
special bond forged by unique histories and national characters. it's a fellowship that exist only among beam who have fought, bled and died for freedom. i'm here today not just to visit but to hold it up as an example others who seek freedom and who wish to summon the courage and the will to defend our civilization. >> you can see the fight there on the left side of the screen. we saw some tear gas there. chief white house correspondent john roberts is live in hamburg, germany. the president had something to say about russia? >> reporter: good afternoon to you. good evening trul where we are n hamburg. the protests are growing. these are the typical protests you see around these economic summits. nothing to do with president trump presence here.
i remember being at g8 summit back in 2001. they were pelting the police with rock and bottles, setting cars on fire. this is typical thing you see around these economic summits. particularly when they come here to europe. the protesters are particularly organized in their particularly aggressive when it comes to getting their point across. big change here from the way it was earlier today with the president in warsaw. which is sight of the memorial of the 1944 warsaw uprising. very friendly crowd there. the president gave a speech which is meant to further strength the relations between the united states and poland. departing from warsaw board air force one, touching down here in hamburg, germany, first stop was over to talk to angela merkel. the two met a number of times. the relationship has been icy. particularly given the comments that merkel made last week about
climate change. saying you can't wait around for the last skeptic to finally come on board before you do something about it. the environment, the atmosphere between the two leaders seem cordial at the least. the big thing tomorrow, in addition to the g20 summit is going to be the bilateral between president trump and president putin. this is the first time that the two of them have met. there's no set agenda for this bilateral. it's all about setting expectations. i'm also told that it is going to be a very small group of officials in that meeting. at least that's the plan for now. it could just be the president and the secretary of state rex tillerson together with an interpreter. the president meantime, is getting some criticism for something he said earlier today at a press conference in warsaw when he was asked whether he believe that this was russia and russia alone that tried to influence the u.s. election. listen to his response here.
>> i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people and other countries. could have been a lot of people interfered. i think it could have been russia, it could have been well other countries. i won't be specific. lot of people interfear. >> reporter: the fact that he said it was russia and not russia alone is drawing fire from adam schiff. he's the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. saying president trump is continuing to propagate his only personal fiction at the country's expense in a statement, saying president trump must have the courage to raise the issue of russian interference directly with president putin. otherwise the kremlin will conclude that he is too weak. saying that the president has capitulated to russia. there's no way the meeting can go well. >> just telling people what they're watching here on the screen, this is insane scene.
this is barely standard for these meetings. you saw that police in the area, they were spraying the crowd with water in order to press them back from the meeting. john, let me ask you, president trump of this time, another difference. he's standing firmly behind nato? >> reporter: remember back in brussels in his first foreign trip when he was at that nato summit and he was giving that speech before the unveiling of the article five memorial. as well as the piece of the world trade center. he was roundly criticized for not as presidents have done before him, reaffirming america's commitment to article five, which states that attack against one nato member is considered an attack against all. he put to rest today any criticisms that maybe lingering about what he didn't say then with what he did say today when he talked that he has been pushing nato members to come to the table by spending what they
pledged to do. that is two percent of their gdp on military. listen to the president here. >> to those who would criticize our tough stance, i would point out that the united states has demonstrated not merely with words but with its actions that we stand firmly behind article five the mutual defense commitment. words are easy, actions are what matters. >> reporter: there it is the mutual defense commitment article five. the president articulated. that. the president articulated what a blessing for the world strong europe is. on two fronts today, he answered critics who say that maybe he's not really so forceful in terms his belief that europe should be strong. these protest will continue. you can bet all weekend long as well.
>> no doubt. john robert thank you. for more, let's bring in fox news editor he is the editor of the half time report. let me ask you about this scene we're watching here. it is amazing to me. whether it is g20 or g8, this entire crew comes out. he see these really overwhelming protests. what do you make of it? >> reporter: of course, right question for the protesters would be, would you not like the leaders the largest economies in the world to gather together to talk about peacefully conducting trade rather than fighting bloody horrific wars. is that the plan? in 1999 we saw in seattle, when the world trade organization came to town was boring matter of course meeting. when they gathered, the first of
these -- these are riots. these are violent acts. people are intending to not make a statement but to disrupt the peaceful assembly of other people. we saw this in 1999. since then, every time the g8, g20 or g whatever, every time there's a gathering of this, especially as it relates to trade or commerce, economic freedom between nations, police and political tear -- military have to do full deployment. europe is the perfect spot for these. they know that they have a network across the continent of like minded individuals. easy public transportation. it's sort of like how protest in washington d.c. and new york and fair better than the heartland of the united states. it's easy to get people to come from other places and be disruptive in large european
cities >> it is amazing to me. you said for what. it's sort of like they're just anti-money. anti-commerce. i don't know. they want to go back to just bartering or not bartering. just making stuff and giving it to each other. although this idea that in general, they would say behind it, they're bringing out all kinds of violence. >> reporter: there's two views of the world as it relates to this question. does commerce between individuals and nations lift people up in the long run. does it foster peace. does it foster health, growth, prosperity. the enlightenment of the human mind and soul. is a tool by which oppressive capitalistic regimes and corporations keep working people down. you can take the same set of facts and information and you can argue it either way.
bernie sanders and ben sasse can sit across the table with same set of facts. one most liberal and conservative. look at the same facts and come to opposite conclusions. what significant here, i think this is a big deal, for donald trump who's been very skeptical about trade in the past. to see this going on and have this frame presented to him, i wonder if this will affect the conversation and how he looks at this when he sees how intensely arrayed against the initiatives and the missions of these large countries and their effort to keep foster free trade. >> i think it's also interesting to look at this with the perspective of that we have seen a professional protest movement really gain steam and crop up here in the u.s. when you look at the different -- as you said not protest but riots that have erupted in some
cities, this represents in some ways, what it could become. how much bigger it could get. we've talked a lot in this country about when you see these spontaneous outbursts going on in different places there's nothing -- spontaneous about them. there's evidence out there who fund these sort of things from the left in our country now. you look at this and see what over time it could grow into. is that fair? >> reporter: not only is it fair, but it is also the part of what we're seeing when we talk about the hecklers veto. point of view that held in the united states and across the western world. the basically says, my ability to speak freely depends on you being silenced. i can only speak freely if you are forbidden to speak freely. this attitude, it's illiberal.
it is unconstitutional. it is against the founding precepts of the enlightenment to this country and so many good things in human history. this idea that others must be silenced in order for these people to speak freely is a trend that we're seeing in the united states. it's one that could -- >> we're looking right now on the screen. you see the stand up and the line of police that has formed as they're trying to hold back the crowd. we've seen tear gas and we've seen hoses, spraying rioters to hold them back. i was looking at pictures online of people dressed like zombies it said, welcome to hell with the caption underneath it. it made me think, who would want to host one of these meetings? the opposite of that is probably not that the meeting would go on but that it would go on some where that's remote. isn't that the other possibility, it becomes this
toll tohos these -- to host these meetings. >> reporter: pittsburgh, we should say, did pretty good when they hosted the g20 in 2011, 2010. pittsburgh is awesome to be fair. yes, world leaders often gather are at secluded private places away from, they go to carn david in -- camp david in the united states. the post world war ii order for the world was done at a remote location where people could be untouched. but that's not good in the sense. it's healthy for us to be able to see them coming and see them
going. what they're doing is in as transparent a fashion as possible. obviously the negotiations behind closed doors between rival countries got to be private. that statecraft. it's good for us to be able to see them coming and going and what they're doing. it's normal. if the protesters have their way, it won't be that way. >> just to tell our audience again, unless you listen to another network, which might say something different. this has nothing to do with president trump. this is anti-money. we see these gathering of world leaders get together to talk about trade and commerce. this is the group that comes out to say, we hate trade and commerce. we hate mune. thank you chris. appreciate your time. we continue to look at and monitor these protest or riots. we have other breaking news to address. defense secretary james mattis speaking out for the first time about north korea's icbm test earlier in week. earlier today president trump
put north korea on notice. warning of severe consequences. >> as far as north korea is concerned, i don't know we'll see what happens. i don't like to talk about what i have planned. i have system pretty severe things that we're thinking about that doesn't mean we're going to do them. >> national security correspondent jennifer griffin join us live from the pentagon. what kind of military option is the pentagon preparing for the president now? >> reporter: it's interesting. defense secretary jim mattis just walk down to speak to journalist here. he was very clear in tamping down any talk of military options for north korea. he said they have some but here's what he also said. >> i do not believe this capability itself is war. the president, made very clear, secretary of state has been very clear, leading with diploma dipc
and economic eeffort. >> reporter: he was referring tot icbm test. it's notable in december u.s. special operations command was put in charge of countering the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. this was a big change in terms of command structure. it means that elite fields will be tasks coming up with a plan and plans and practicing how to deal with north korea's nukes. north korea has conducted a total of five nuclear test since 2005. north korea has an estimated ten plutonium base warhead. north korea may have the material to 14 to 18 nuclear weapons. by 2020 north korea could have anywhere between 20 and 100 nuclear warheads. in terms of military option, the u.s. as has b1 bombers based in guam. they fly over the korean
peninsula once a week. they carry the payload of any u.s. bomber and could north korean nuclear and ballistic facilities. >> what is the downside any sort of strike on north korea by the u.s.? obviously there are a number of them. what sticks out? >> reporter: it's how quickly it would escalate with large scale casualties. the big concern is how to neutralize the thousands of artillery units that north korea has hidden in the hills and bunkers just north of the border with south korea. this recent live fire exercise by pyongyang shows the destruction. that's just 35-miles from the border. the u.s. has about 28,500 troops based in south korea. there would be heavy casualties.
the u.s. and south korea conducted a joint ballistic missile drill just hours after the north korean launched on july 4th. that was to send a message there are missile defense capabilities in place to protect seoul, south korean capital. >> we are following massive anti-capitalistic protest. s.w.a.t. team teams with water n can -- canyons and tear gas. richard fowler join us as well. kristen let me start with you. i guess what is the point of this? folks are anti-money? >> this is exactly what happens when you have this extreme left wing rhetoric coming from the highest levels of government telling people that rich people are greedy and wealth is bad. this is what happens.
it reminds me of a lot of things that happen here in the u.s. with the bernie sanders movement. it's really disheartening to see this. i'm sorry to see that. some of this is turning violent. the media is playing this up to be a big anti-trump protest to the extent that these protesters are there to protest trump and his america first policies. trump will go in there head on. he is used to protest. he'll look the germans in the face and tell them how he feels about launch and trade -- climate change and trade. >> richard, what do you make of this scene? to me it feels like sometimes in terms of organization, this is where we're heading in some places in america in that we have these supposedly organic spontaneous protest that go on in various cities responding to various things. but they're funded and organized and in europe, they grown to be this size?
>> this is a clearly big protest. i think once again, this protest isn't against trump. it's against the ideals of globalization and the adverse impact that free trade has on working class people across the world. interestingly enough, you listen to their message and go to their website, you realize this, these protesters have more in common with donald trump than they do with angela merkel. they are saying that free trade deals that hurt people, free trade deals get rid of jobs, globalization hurts folks. it's the same thing that donald trump ran on and won on. the poor people are forgotten and we need to remember them by not passing bad trade deals. it's a very interesting turn of events here in hamburg, germany. >> that's a very fair point. i was thinking of that myself.
setting aside of the violence of course. their core message about the negative things and too much of free trade can go empowering corporations over the individuals, forgetting the workers. there's a lot in common with president trump's message and with bernie sanders' message. it's all about the theory the people. even though, obviously their methods are wildly different. >> that's what's so interesting about this. when i read their mission statement, i say a lot of common threads with the bernie sanders crowd. i'm a millennial, i have a lot of friends here in the u.s. who love bernie sanders. they hate big corporations. they think greedy rich people are the ones ruining this country. these kind of violent protest in europe really make me worry about the direction that our country is headed in and what we're going to start seeing in terms of protests and rye kroots here.
what's really damaging is the way the immediate is portraying these protest. you just google now, you google g20 summit, every headline will be about protest against trump. it's really misinformation. >> he'll be quick to call it fake news and to be honest, if you watched the news at all in the past couple of years, you know that this is standard fair for these meetings. long before president trump ever entered the scene. another interesting thing about this is that, this is another way of saying that the people who are in control are out of touch with the masses. that's another common thread. >> that is a common thread. did google the headline. you're right it's less about donald trump and more about the impact that globalization is having all across the world. if you think about some of the actors at this particular g20 summit. let's take china for example who is one of the leading investors in foreign investors.
when you talk to people of africa, they are saying they are not living to fear fair labor practices. you might not like their methods, they're saying the same thing that voters in mississippi were saying and voters in philadelphia were saying when they cast their ballot for donald trump. >> let's flip this around. let's talk about what's not the same about it. they don't have a solution these folks. in some ways, it's the way the people are viewing the democrats now. similar to these protesters. they're anti-money, anti-capitalism, they're anti-trade, they're anti-globalization. you can keep the list going. what are they for? communist socialist society? like everything else, it's so easy to points your finger what the problem is and what the victims are. what's the solution? >> i don't think they necessarily have a solution. they know that something is not
working. they're unhappy with the current situation. it's really interesting because everyone has been saying at this g20 summit, it will be trump versus everyone else. no it seem like a few elite leaders versus everyone else. i don't think they have a whole lot of solutions. they just know that what's going on isn't working. unfortunately, they think the solution vilify rich people and wealth. it will lead to more poverty and suffering. >> richard, it's interesting it reminds me some of the workers protest. it's a lot more violent. when you see people out and they believe that the solution to this inequality and to what they call corporate greed is to raise the minimum wage and make it $15 an hour. i saw a study in the northwest, they said in seattle where they raised minimum wage, that the average person who was on the minimum wage was now taking home $125 less per month as a result
of their wage increase. because, hours were cut back in order to pay for that. it's easy to identify the problem but the solution lot of times in these cases, doesn't do what you want. doesn't work or they don't have one. >> i think there's a lot going on here. one, i think some of the solutions are not only free trade, making sure we have fair trade where workers are treated equitable. i agree with trump on trade. i thought tpp was a bad deal. we allowed malaysia in the deal. knowing that the malaysian government believes in savory -- slavery. that was problematic. i think part of the solution is beyond raising minimum wage, it's not the government. let's be real. it's not the government sending factories across the border.
it's rich business owner saying i can get cheaper labor across the border. how we hold these rich wealthy business leaders accountable. >> you make it cheaper for them to have their factories here. you do the kind of things that president trump advocated on. you make energy cheaper here in the u.s. you make it readily available. you lower regulation and you lower taxes. that is no longer makes economic sense to take advantage of cheap labor because the other components of production here in the u.s. are cheaper. if you're selling to this market, you want to make it here nay -- anyway. >> i have one point in response. the answer is government. these wealthy individuals they can buy off government officials. we've seen them do. >> that's true. >> the government can do their bidding over the people that
elected them. that's problematic. when becomes new currency of politics, you create a problem. you can look at both parties are to blame. look at the georgia six election, we spent $56 million on both sides of the aisle. that could have went to feed hungry people. >> that's true. it sounds like draining the swamp to me. stand by. as we're watching these massive protest that are breaking out, we also want to go to reporter that we have lying on the ground, alex rossi. he's a reporter from sky news. he's reporting from scene. let's listen. >> reporter: it's difficult to say how many people are determined. certainly when we arrived earlier this afternoon, the atmosphere here was peaceful. it was very calm. people were drinking and enjoying songs and listening to
speeches. within that group of people, there were people that looked here to cause trouble. we saw a number of coming down dressed in black. some of the matched up with handkerchiefs across air faces. they looked determined. that said, the threshold which which the police intervene will be fairly low. of course, the host of the g20 germany, they don't want the picture from this to be this ugly clashes on the streets. they want the world to be listening what's going on inside that room. at the moment, the images from this g20 summit is violence on the streets of hamburg. fairly ugly clashes between protesters and police. >> we thank him for that report.
i will go back to my panel now. richard, he makes a good point. they don't want the scenes to be these clashes. they don't want pictureses to go out around the world and seeing the german police hitting people, dragging them away. at the same time, from the looks of this crowd, it can very much overwhelm police. he talked about people we saw that on street there, that are openly hitting and attacking police, throwing rocks, hitting them with wooden beams. they arrived wearing masks covering their faces obviously wanting to do damage and cause damage and disguise who they are. >> it is a tough position. what happens, i covered lot of protest, i planned protest before and magics -- marchs. it start out with a group of people and individual. you have those who are out there who don't abide by political party. they are here to cause trouble.
they seep into the protest. they create sort of -- they throw stuff to hit police officers. then the entire protest, peaceful or not peaceful, get lurched into -- lumped into a big violent mob. >> kristen, when we talk here in the u.s. you hear organizations saying who's funding these organized protest when you bus people here in the u.s. sending thome cities where things will happen. and funding it. some people might say that's their right. it's their right to spend their money that way and have their voice be heard. but maybe these pictures tell you of where it could be heading. in the end, when it becomes violent like this, doesn't it stamp out free speech? who's hearing anything that any of these people have to say?
>> it's terrifying. this is one of their reasons lot of trump supporters are excited about his missions to empower law enforcement. you have the right to free speech, we need a society where you do it in a respectful manner and you respect the police officers and law enforcement there on the ground. you know what, i guaranteed if you go up to the majority of these protesters, even if you talk to the lot of the protesters, lot of them, they don't know anything about trade. they don't know about policy. all they know they don't have money in their pockets. lot of them are out of work. they're protesting against the man and big corporations. they're call for policies that would make things worse for themselves. they need to learn about what's going on. at the end of the day, why would businesses want to do more business here in the u.s.? we have some of the highest corporate tax rates in world. if you let businesses keep more money, they will hire more people including these
protesters. >> let's go back to the panel. we want to go back to chief white house corporate john roberts who is life in hamburg, germany. what are you hearing? >> reporter: good evening from hamburg. what a contrast. if you look behind me here, we look one way toward the water. it's a very peaceful setting. things have turned very serious here in the last few minutes. it appears to be, i don't know if it's a car in an alleyway between two buildings set on fire. for that's a build or storefront that have been set on fire. there's a lot of smoke now emulating from that building. just behind the white building there that you see sort of in the foreground. we have seen this over and over again at these economic summits. going back to the wto in seattle back in 1999 when seattle police
fought running battles with protesters using tear gas, rubber bullets. we were there covering that as we were covering bill clinton who was the president at the time. i remember being out there in the thick of it, with grenade going off. then it was genoa for the g8 in 2001 were cars were overturn and set on fire. there were battles between protesters and police as well. we see the same thing here in hamburg now in 2017. you see a collection of anti-globalist protesters, anti-capitalist protesters. at the same time, there's probably a group of middle class families who would be out here i would expect, much more peacefully protesting the policies of these 20 richest nations of the world. it's what happens literally every time these leaders get together.
it's particularly aggressive in europe here. there's obviously a long history of aggressive and violent protest in europe. particularly the older part of europe. germany, france, countries like that. we also again, have seen this in the united states. which is why there was a move to put these in small isolated places savannah, island in russia where one of these were held at. now they're back in big cities again. here we see it in hamburg. thithis is the result where protesters can gain easy access to a metropolitan center. they know if they cause a raucous it will get on global television. it is going to make whatever point it is they are trying to make. despite the destruction it may cause as they carry this out. >> john, you wonder. does it really make that point? like you said, this is expected.
obviously police in germany are waiting for it. you say it's all over television. that's true. what kind of message are they actually getting out? they're not disrupting the meeting. the meeting is still going on. the leaders aren't near this. they know this is going to happen. they're destroying the city and causing a ton of physical damage and financial damage. i don't know, some people are there, anarchist. some people are protesting money. some people are protesting capitalism. whatever it is. what message i wonder on the ground there. what do people think about the message that's getting out? what is it? >> reporter: each of these individual groups have whatever message it is that they are trying to get out. here's the point, by demonstrating violently and setting things on fire, you've been enrolling coverage of this.
if you switch on the other cable networks, they're all rolling coverage of this as well. if you take a look at german tv, take a look at the other 24 hour news channels around the world, you're going to see these pictures. whatever message it might be, it might be a sharp message from some of these groups. it might be a muddled message. we don't really know. it's being covered. they're getting their message out. whatever that message maybe. we're hearing the crack of -- that didn't sound like tear gas grenade. that was a sharper crack, which may indicate they're firing rubber bullet. we're not down there on the street. but that sharper report, sounded like not the firing of tear gas. i don't want to say they're firing rubber bullets.
it sound like a different sound we've heard so far today. >> john roberts thank you for that. i want to bring in ambassador john boltton. he join me on the phone. you know what this sort of scene looks like. you're an ambassador and someone that goes out to these things to make deals and talk to people. what is the reactions like inside the meetings? they expected it. does it change the tone, does it change anything? >> i have to say, as a baby boomer, therefore a veteran of riot and demonstrations from the late 1960s. this is performance in western europe. they're doing this to get to tv. it will have no real effect on what happens at the meeting. the g20 summit itself is kind of a waste of time really
productive events come from the bilateral meeting, not from the g20. all in all, it's theater about theater. >> that is really sort of depressing. it's theater about theater. especially when you look at the amount of physical destruction going on and the amount of violence and tearing apart things that are there. does it impact to want to host these events? i have to think, how expensive you're going to host the event, you have to have all of the security out there. you watch your city being destroyed, you look at all the resources being wasted. >> i think national leaders have an almost bottom lessens of narcissism in cases. it probably won't affect them. it affect the average people job keepers and others who's properties being destroyed. as we saw in washington this past january some the
demonstrators lit a limousine on fire. thinking they were attacking the capitalist classes. all they did was destroy one driver's entire capital structure. because he owned the car that they burned. to these people it doesn't matter. >> in terms of a planning that goes into trying manage something like this. obviously we all knew it was coming in some form. what kind of advance planning goes into trying to manage this situation? one of other guys mentioned earlier, you got to keep the crowd in control. at the same time you don't want the pictures to look like your police force is breaking bones out there. how do you manage that? >> i think john roberts made a good point a moment ago. faced with the demonstrations prior years, there was a move to
hold g7 summit and other major events like this more isolated places. the u.s. for example, hosted g7 summit in the bush administration 2004 sea island, georgia. two years before that, the canadian hosted it. what you're saying today may well convince national leaders to go back to those four isolated places. >> ambassador, thank you so much. i want to switch over to jonathan hunt. he covered the g8 back in genoa, italy that was that wa -- that n 2001. at the peak of the anti-globalization movement. what do you think? >> it's so interesting looking at these pictures now on the streets of hamburg. they are so strangely reminiscent of what happened in genoa back in 2001. so far what we have oh we are seeing in hamburg appears to be water cannon being fired at the protesters. i want to point out the police
in hamburg, germany seem to be dealing with this at the lowest level that they deem necessary. those water cannon guns have varying pressure points on them. from what i can see right now, they're using fairly low pressure on those protesters. more sharing them rather than firing those water cannons at the pressure that can knock protesters off their feet quite violently. back in 2001 in genoa this was a g it8s. there. that changed the way in which these summits were held. just the next year, the g8 summit was moved by the canadians to a very isolated part of canada. in the province of alberta. now we're back in. genoa is in a poor city. we're back in another poor city,
hamburg, germany. police said today, they were expecting something like 100,000 protesters to turn up on the streets of hamburg. the european police very good at this. across most european countries, they know who they're looking for. they know the kind of groups that maybe prone to violence. all that 100,000, they believe something like 8000 maybe looking to partake in these acts of violence. to combat this, they got something like 20,000 police on the streets to deal with it. they are doing that relatively well. as we saw in genoa back in 2001, these thing can get out of hand. then one protester at least as far as i can remember, was killed. nothing like that so far today. these things can turn quickly. that is why you're seeing so many police on the streets of hamburg today. >> jonathan hunt, thank you for
that perspective comparing it to the meeting in 2001. all these protest as we said, doesn't necessarily have to do with anyone attending this meeting including president trump. this has to do just anti-globalization movement. we see these violent protest breaking out at these big g20 and g8 summit. joining us for more for all of this i want to bring in ohio congressman -- i want to get your thought on what's going on here first. >> i think you guys are characterizing it correctly. this is a protest against capitalism against our world system. one thing obviously is grave concern is this is almost got ton level of organized crime as opposed to organized protest. these are not individual who are out trying to get a message out. they are actively damaging
property. if you go back to the roots of occupy wall street forward, there are groups and organizations that are actually funding this, which becomes systematic law breaking and vandalism. i think, to some extent, beyond just providing security at these events, i think our government seem to take a look at the organizations that fund them. they're funding these individuals to go in these communities and create havoc and vandalisms >> you say our government, you're part of the government. do you have conversations like this? when we look at -- there are always articles and talks about the idea that you mentioned occupy wall street or whether it's black lives matter. then have big deep pockets, fundraisers who go out and bankroll. people go to different place. do you worry about this sort of thing and what do you do to combat it without stamping
everybody right to protest and have their voice heard? >> that is the distinction. i used the word term government. you got germany being the host. government are taking an active role. you raise the issue. this is something that people will have to approach collectively. i do think the issue of free speech is separate from the issue of free violence. that's what you're seeing. this is not demonstration. these are not protest. many times reaching tot level of destruction of property and violence, those are things that need to be dealt differently. especially if they're outside groups funding them. >> one of the main things, this is taking away from the lot of stories we focus on. let me ask you about some of them. one of the big things that suppose to happen tomorrow, we'll see president trump come together with russian president vladimir putin. they are supposed to be talking about other major issues that
going on around the world. whether it's syria or north korea and other places where we're seeing potential violence. what's your take on those situations? >> i think this meeting is going to be very important one to raise those topics. because this does take world response to deescalate what's happening in north korea. china needs to have world pressure to address this issue where they're allowed this state to have missile technology. understanding that the united states and europe will respond and look to a more constructsive relationship and give russia understanding they will need to work actively for that relationship. >> it seems like from the sidelines that we're sort of in charge of doing something about north korea. if you look at it no one is
quite as invested in the fight -- president trump had hoped to get china on the side of stopping this. but so far, at least if you look at the trade figures, they so far not much of helper in this situation. does the president have the opportunity to rally support in that particular conflict at this meeting? is in a little bit fruitless? >> it's appropriate forum to bring it up. obviously if this becomes a conflict, it will escalate. japan, south korea and united states, all which will be impact. north korea is known to be a prolive -- proliferatetor with technology and that affects europe and iran. situation as we try to ensure that they're ambitions be held back. china certainly understands that could have an economic impact on china. that's the way to speak to them.
certainly unified western voice in north korea needs to be addressed. will affect china's decision-making. >> vladimir putin on the side of iran and north korea as well. sits on the opposite side of that challenge in north korea. what do you think that president trump can do to make a deal as he always said and try and find a way to deal with north korea -- maybe not without russia's help but with -- rather than having them work against our cause. is it possible? >> the president made some very good strong statements. united states will take action with respect to north korea and that the world needs to come together to avoid that conflict. the president mentioned missile defense, which is incredibly important. deploying missile defense in
south korea so that we can have ability to protected our troops there. i think most messages have an impact on china and russia also because they know we're serious. we will no longer pursue the obama administration strategic patience. we'll take action. that means there are risks for their regimes. certainly that will get their attention. >> thank you so much for joining us. congressman mike turner. we'll turn now to steven yates these the former deputy national security advisor to vice president cheney. he's ceo of d.c. advisory. thank you so much for joining us. as we said, we're looking at these pictures here now, which seem to be getting increasingly violent. we're hearing music now. just cluster of people closing in. what do you make of this scene? >> what a contrast between old and new europe in a way. we have a very emotional
disruptive kind of movement by people who are trying to, i assume, disrupt president trump ability to engage leaders there. i think in many ways it's counterproductive. we got serious issues to address. best thing for the president to do is to get in and meet with the leaders and get some policy moving to kind of over take the messaging of this crowd. it's sad that europe focus this much on protesting the peaceful meeting of leaders. >> one of those real challenges is syria of course. the president meeting with president putin tomorrow. the common thread they have, they are both against radical islam. they are both against isis, there's a great type of war who will control syria. after isis departs. russia is very much invested in the idea they want to control the oil reserves that they have bases there. is there any way to reconcile
those opposing needs, once isis is moved out of the way? >> i think strategy the president would be best at following is to get the actions that we need now to establish some semblance of order. >> like what? >> i can't tell whether assad will stay or go. we do have to have decisive dismansldismansly -- dismantle . the president promised it. there are ways that can be worked with russia to make that happen. how do you sort out the peace or the lesser hoss stillty. that's something for the president and president of russia work out later. i think decisive action against isis and some sensibility in syria is vital in the immediate term. >> what's next has been the
achilles hill what makes america so wary going into these various places. perhaps why it's taking so long to get involved in syria. we have been burned when the person at the helm who the most evil as deposed. might be isis, then you wonder what happens to bashar al-assad. he's just a puppet after all for the others in the area who have opposite philosophies than we do and the west. what's next is important to americans and to have some sort of a plan. >> absolutely vital. the president needs to articulate that. i think he needs to set expectations that america is not owning and occupying any region. our greatest contribution in many ways is overwhelming force and being able to defeat an and. not building up a civil society that comes after that allies in the region have to take the lead on those kinds of things. there are growing dangers that are affecting our economy and
national security. we have to defeat that. it's that social infrastructure afterwards that others must take the lead on. i think president trump campaigned on that and needs to stick to that. >> steven yates appreciate your time. i want to go back to alex rossi. he is reporter from sky news. he's in the middle of the water cannon. >> reporter: demonstrations alex. >> reporter: demonstrations have been going on for a while. they're being thrown down from the high buildings, and the police have been moving in with water cancannons, and i've smel teargas to try to disburse the crowd. it has been going on for a few hours now. the police are moving in on the protesters, undercover policemen, the troublemaker, and
they're moving in to arrest them now. >> melissa: that's alex rossi from sky news on the ground. stay safe, alex. i want to bring in jonathan hunt, who covered a similar scene in genoa, at the peak of the antigoalzation movement. we were seeing alex in a helmet and you see these crowds what, is it like to be a reporter on the ground in the midst of all this. what is your strategy? how do you cover the story and stay safe? what happened in egypt and various reporters were attacked in that situation. i say to him stay safe, and it sounds, you know, almost ludicrous. >> alex is a former colleague of mine. he is doing great work. it is a dangerous situation for reporters in the middle of that, because rocks start being thrown. you see alex wearing the helmet there. you take what precautions you can. it looks like chaos on the
streets, melissa. but it is important to point out, i think, this is organized chaos in the sense of the protesters. these protesters are turning up spontaneously. they've been planning this for a very long time. you only need to go on facebook and left at the left berlin. they put out a call for protesters to show up here back on march 27th, three months ago, they've been planning this. they specifically were calling for protesters to turn out on the streets to make their opinions known about president trump, president trump, president putin, and president erdwan, and hopefully the police are more organized, and we saw in fact on the streets of many american cities during the anti-trump protest during the presidential campaign, they forced the protesters back, try to bottle neck them into one area, where they can control them.
they'll have snatch squads operating. what they do is look out for the ringleaders. as i say, these protesters are organized. each group will have a commander trying to point people in what they perceive to be the right direction. the police snatch squads will be looking to identify the ringleaders, and suddenly come out of the police line, move in, and try to snatch them and take them away. they can do that one by one, but when you have 8,000 protesters committed to violence, according to the authority in germany, a massive task, and a battle on the streets that is clearly going to last for many hours, melissa. >> melissa: wow, jonathan hunt, that was a great perspective what it is like to be there. appreciate your time. let's bring in the panel as we head to the top of the hour. kristin, what do you think as you watch this? >> it is really disheartening and unfortunately, clueless and
violent protesters will dominate the headlines and conversations regarding this g20 summit, and that's too bad. there are a lot of krooreally critical issues facing the globe, creating great relationships for trade, and trump will still have those conversations with european and other leaders, but that's not what the conversation on a global scale and the media will be focused on. >> melissa: when i look at these scenes, i think about the people who have shops and stores and the livelihoods on the streets, the corporations, globalizations, but the people they're hurting are the little individuals that have the coffee shops, whatever it is in the way that is now destroyed. the income and property they've lost. what do you think when you look at this scene, richard? >> i've got to tell you, we all agree violence isn't the answer. but there is a silver lining to me with these individuals, those who are there peacefully
protesting. every time we've seen change globally or in the united states or in many of these countries, because citizens have used their voice collectively and taken to the streets, and demanded action from their government or from their government leaders. so it is my hope, i know ambassador bolton said this is theater for theater, but hopefully not. we need not free trade, but fair trade. >> melissa: unfortunately, it is professional protesters who are causing violence who came out and drown out the message of the people like you said who came out, who actually had something to say, who weren't there to destroy property, who wanted to bring attention. and in fact, we've seen protesters like this going back, you know, before 2001, at the g8, at, you know, the g20. so in some ways, it is disheartening, because they are drowning out the very people
that you say have something real to say. >> no, there is a point there, but i'm glad you distinguish between the two. because the peaceful ones are the ones that get change. whether you like it or not, look here in the united states for months. >> melissa: absolutely. >> people protested the transpacific partnership, and people in washington wanted it to happen. their voices were heard. i don't agree with donald trump at all, but he was right when it comes to fair trade. it is because of the voices of the people. >> melissa: go ahead, kristin. >> this is not a protest. this is a riot. this is not a great protest -- it is not. >> melissa: we're saying those kind of protests are good and exist and it is being drowned out by the riots we're seeing. again, this is outside the g20 meeting, hamburg, germany. we are watching police who have
been in control for now, spraying water on the crowd, a have a violent crowd that came out en masse with sticks, trying to cause havoc at the g20. i'm melissa francis, here's shep. >> shepard: it is 9:00 p.m. here in hamburg. we've been watching this together. we have seen a lot of riots, i've been involved covering riots. this is not a riot. if you look, there are many people standing around. there certainly have been scirmages. i saw this in seattle back in the day. there are anarchists who come from around the world and cause havoc. this is decidedly not a riot. these are protests. you can agree or d