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the veterans in the va. we do thank you very much. thank you all for joining us. my thanks for sitting in for neil today. he will be back tomorrow and i will see you tomorrow at the fox business network. >> eric: i am eric bolling with eboni k. williams and kat timpf. we are "the fox news specialists" ." the left and the mainstream media are in a frenzy following reports president trump's eldest son donald trump, jr. met with a kremlin-connect employer in june of last year. trump, jr., had said the meeting was about adoption law issues between the u.s. and russia and now he's adding that he accepted the meeting due to promises of possible dirt on hillary clinton. trump junior tweeted out sarcastically "obviously i am the first person on the campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent.
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it went nowhere but had to listen." white house commenting on the meeting a short time ago. >> don, jr., took a very short meeting from which there was absolutely no follow-up. the only icy inappropriate about the meeting was the people that leaked the information on the meeting after it was voluntarily disclosed. i would say don, jr., did not collude with anybody to influence the election. >> eric: the white house added that president trump found out about the meeting in the last couple days. fake outrage, fake news. so what? donald trump, jr. met with someone. he didn't know the name of the person he was meeting with. it was arranged. how many times do you think hillary clinton and bill clinton arranged a meeting with a foreign government to maybe squeeze a donation out of them. >> eboni: more than that, who doesn't love opposition research when you're running a campaign. there is no "there" there with
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the meeting. much overreaction. >> kat: i think it doesn't look good. it's not a positive thing but people are acting like this is some sort of smoking gun. it really isn't. it's more smoke. >> eric: if you watch the mainstream media, they are going wall-to-wall with this. let's meet today's specialist. the spokesperson for america first policies and former national spokesperson for the trump presidential campaign and a member of the texas tea party caucus advisory board and she specializes in all things political. katrina pierson is here. and she's the executive in residence at american university school of public affairs, contributor at the "washington examiner" and the former ohio state senate minority leader and she specializes in baking a great pie. capri cafaro is here. it's been a little bit since the left has had a rush-trump story to get worked up about so naturally they have dialed up the hysteria.
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>> this is unacceptable. it borders on treason. if it's not, it is self-treason depending on whether or not "the new york times" story is true. but this is a dangerous situation. >> this in effect is everything people have been looking for. this is not only devastating to the narrative. it's potentially incriminating. >> whoever's helping "the new york times" with the stories seems to be doing in a way to do maximum damage on at least donald trump, jr. even if you accept his sunday version, ask no questions, no suspicions, he is in a world of hurt. >> eric: katrina, treason, maximum damage read what happened? >> katrina: i'm sorry, are we supposed to be taking that seriously? left but this in context. we are talking about a meeting that was disclosed and it's a story because someone who isn't a white-hot official -- white house official didn't
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disclose it. what are we missing? >> katrina: here's what's important. is this bad optics? sure. as the try to play into some narrative about russia and trump? yes, on its face but i say this is a democrat. donald trump, jr. is a businessperson and i i think he approached this meeting with whoever this russian person was utilizing the rules of engagement of business. you want to figure out how you beat the competition. the rules of engagement and politics are different. they are learning that on the job and their learning it the hard way. i understand from his perspective perching through the lens of business and competitiveness, they are not used to the rules of politics. >> katrina: i'm not going to pretend don, jr., didn't know what was going on because he did. someone said we want to meet and
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that's all he did. this wasn't in a business context. this was talking to someone who says i have information. with the media is suggesting now is that everyone that meets with anyone part of a political campaign needs an fbi background check. >> kat: it's because this lawyer, the fbi knows who she has. she's a little bit shady so doesn't look good. people saying it some sort of crime against the state, i think that's pretty extreme. doesn't look good. >> eric: here is a politico headline. "ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfires." in response to an ukrainian group trying to get with hillary clinton to reveal dirt on donald trump and it backfired. this happens all the time. >> capri: i'm the only person on this panel who's been elected to office his running campaign and there's no question that obtaining opposition research
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occurs. the question people are raising is do you engage in that conversation with a foreign national? but i am saying obviously donald trump isn't engaging this individual for the purposes of business, i think he took it because yeah, he admitted. they said they might have some stuff on hillary. >> eric: let me bring eboni in in. rob goldstone arrange the meeting. he said there are a few general marks about campaign funding and they moved on to human rights violations on the part of the russians. >> kat: >> eboni: i don't see ws so bad about the optics. it looks like a standard, ordinary, political, business whatever you want to categorize it, opposition research. i fail to see what the deal is. who cares? someone said they have information to help my mom get
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into office, i'm going to liste listen. >> eric: i think reince priebus called it a nothing burger. i have a problem with this. it's a result to nothing burgers. it's a nothing caesar salad. >> kat: i have a different view. i understand why people would find this interesting because of who she is, the timing, and this narrative. i don't think it was a smart decision for him but the way it has been blown up, as this this what we've all been looking for, it's absurd. >> eboni: they are saying it's not smart but in june of last year, there wasn't this big narrative out there, this russian collusion. in hindsight, perhaps -- >> kat: someone who who is like that lawyer in her position and says she has information. hillary clinton was secretary of state and they had information on her. my first thought would be the country, how do they know these
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things? >> katrina: having run a campaign, this definitely happens all the time. it's part of running a campaign. finding out a opposition. >> eric: one of the things that came out since the election was this dossier, russian dossier put together. tie this up for us. fusion gps was the group that was hired to higher christopher steele, a british national, to dig up information on donald trump. somehow this is also tied to this woman. >> katrina: the intentions of this meeting is what's really the problem here. her connections to this shady group and others. now it makes us look back and say oh, this was a bad intention by this individual.
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but this wasn't donald trump, jr.'s fault or the president's fault. if they say we want to have a meeting for x and then come in with the personal motivation of y, then we have to look back at it and question those individuals. unfortunately with this, this is part of a bigger hoax. you were mentioning, this was not the context before in june. however, john podesta did have prior connections to the russians. hillary clinton, bill clinton did have connections to russia and their government. but we are not talking about that. >> capri: two wrongs don't make a right. >> katrina: there's nothing wrong here. >> eric: no laws were broken. >> capri: i am not disputing that either. >> eric: i turn on the other cable networks and they are going wall-to-wall. we just heard treason, max damage. >> capri: i come from ohio. i served ten years in the senate. real issues are happening and we
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are all spinning like tops talking about this one real work needs to be done. >> eboni: when you hear people talking about words like treason and what's illegal, it makes you wonder if these people understand the elements of treason and what's required to be illegal because that takes the air out of the tires. i would say this, for those who are in resistance mode and their goal is to take down the president, i think you have every right to do that. this type of overreaction undermines that effort. >> eric: the article i pointed out, what ended up coming about, ukrainian efforts, paul manafort, campaign manager at the time of the trump administration campaign had to resign. >> katrina: he did, for good reason. there were a lot of bad optics around that time. we have to remember, why are we having this discussion? the losing team claims the dnc server was hacked and that information was delivered to
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wikileaks. no proof, no evidence whatsoever, even the fbi admits we never looked at the hardware. this is where it stems from. where is debbie wasserman schultz, her subpoena, the evidence. let's look at the hardware and prove whether this happened or not. if they didn't that we have a serious problem because millions of tax dollars are being spent on a hoax. >> eboni: you are the first person i've heard in a long time to request to see debbie wasserman schultz. >> kat: a lot of things went down with the democrats, not cool what they did to bernie sanders. when you look at the story, i'm not surprised we are talking about it. i think the concern people have is they think it shows a willingness of trump people to work with russia to win. i guess in a very broad sense, sort of but this isn't an actual government official.
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this is his son. it's not perfect and saying that this is exactly what people have been looking for is a dumb thing to say. >> kat: >> eboni: when you takea narrative and you want facts to fit, when they don't fit you undermined the narrative itself. >> kat: i see the problems but every single little thing that might look bad or might not be the smartest thing is being brought up as a crime against our country. people are going to stop listening. >> eric: you think they would say everyone of these stories, they blow it up on mainstream media. >> capri: you can only cry wolf so many times. >> eric: someone from trump and someone from russia. >> capri: everybody needs to go back to governing. >> eric: we will leave it there. president trump says it's time to move forward with, and work
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>> kat: in the wake of the g20 sit down with vladimir putin, president trump is looking to jump-start ties with russia. "i strongly pressed putin twice. he vehemently denied it. now it's time to move forward and work constructively with russia." president trump proposed a cybersecurity unit but after getting criticism he is followed up by tweeting: "the fact that president putin and i discussed a cyber security unit doesn't mean i think it can happen. it can't. but a ceasefire can and did!" okay, okay. why the first tweet? katrina? talking about the proposed
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cybersecurity unit and saying it will guard us against hacking. >> katrina: by now people should understand the president speaks his mind through twitter. number two, there is a blank slate in the world for the united states and some of these countries. looking at the disaster in russia because of the obama administration, hillary clinton's failed reset. president obama didn't do anything when russia was moving forward. now the president has an opportunity to sort of reset the negotiations and go into this with a positive influence. there is no question there is a world leader doesn't believe donald trump is serious about putting americans first and making america great again. this idea that he maybe wanted to work together to solve a problem. keep your friends close by your enemies closer, he is looking for all areas to come together and work with these countries. >> capri: even though we are talking about cybersecurity.
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>> kat: tried to tell me one way that could work where the people who are accused of hacking us that our intelligence agencies have found to impact our election, however going to work with them to stop someone from helping our election. i've got to tell you i've got nothing. maybe i'm an idiot or that's an idiotic idea. >> capri: you can't say the president needs to address hacking with russia and then say don't address cybersecurity. two different issues. she's asking the question about why the president said what he said. i'm trying to explain why he said what he said. just because you work together, just because he says he wants to work towards a positive goal with the country who may be engaging in illicit activities doesn't mean he's going to put it all on the table. he will tell you i'm not going to tell you what i'm going to do and when i'm going to do it. it's not just russia.
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what do we do, not work with anyone? >> kat: of all the things they could have said we are working on, he said that. >> eric: assuming russia is better at hacking than we are? if i say to you, capri, let's work on this deal. for going to make this assumption russia is better at beating us and we are at them? they be that's a strategy. >> katrina: vladimir putin is one of the slippery asked -- world leaders in a generation. i can tell you -- no one is saying -- [all speaking] >> eric: assuming donald trump wants to i don't know create some sort of cybersecurity
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partnership with russia that they are going to infiltrate us. >> capri: i don't think that's the case. >> eric: why not do it? >> capri: if they want to engage, why even open up that can of worms? yes, maybe we can hack them but why give them an opportunity to hack us? >> kat: if someone breaks into my house, i'm not going to be all right. >> katrina: he is a russian nationalist at the level of lenin. let me say this. i hear eric and capri giving an analysis of who can get the better of hu. if we take donald trump and his word and he talks about something that's highly strategic. maybe less than smart to trust
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any intention behind vladimir putin. i'm going to take a position that i suspect my two friends are not going to appreciate. i don't know i believe president trump releasees vladimir putin as something to be not worked with. i think the president has a level of admiration for the leadership of vladimir putin. i think we know that based on some of the things he said on the campaign trail and that concerns me. he likes the leadership style and i think there's -- it's too positive. >> eric: keep your friends close and your enemies closer. >> eboni: i don't know if i buy that. i think there is more of an admiration going on with putin's leadership style. >> eric: i think maybe there's undue credit given to vladimir putin and russian capabilities than they may deserve. far more confidence in the intel department.
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>> kat: they still hacked us, though. it's not just russia. >> capri: we certainly have capabilities and i don't think anyone is in dispute and we have some of the best intelligence and technological capabilities in the world. i will say the best. >> eric: then these bilateral agreements are a win. >> katrina: there is no agreement. it's a suggestion. >> eboni: does that eliminate the risk of getting into bed? >> eric: maybe it increases the risk. they are yelling at us. >> kat: straight ahead, president trump accusing james comey after breaking the law after a new report that comey's memos contained classified information.
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anybody seen my pants? nothing cleans better. put those on dad! it's got to be tide. >> eboni: james comey facing serious questions. it details that comey made seven memos and after a review by officials, four of them appear to contain classified info. he describes them personal but the fbi describes them as government documents. president trump jumping on the report tweeting: "james comey leaked classified information to the media. that is so illegal!" the report does not state that the memo contained actual classified info. jason chaffetz, former head of
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the house oversight committee described comey's caging is. >> after it was revealed, i was able to get on the phone with director comey. he is a jovial, open person on the phone but when i asked about the disposition of the emails, where are the documents. he got silent. he said he wouldn't tell me where they were. raises a lot of eyebrows. he's not going to give it up easily. >> eboni: jason chaffetz will be a specialist on wednesday. let's go over some facts. nine meetings between james comey and president trump, seven memos taken by comey. four of them contained classified information but we don't necessarily know that one of those four was the one leaked. >> eric: catherine herridge outlined this this afternoon. comey feels on his own admission that this is important information.
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the public needed it. he leaks into a professor who links it to "the new york times." the professor says they weren't classified documents because they weren't stamped classified. who knows if they were. he's not the guy who dictates whether it's classified. james comey may have broken the law. i'm not sure. whatever it is, if you think it's okay to leak classified intel from meetings with the president of the united states, it's outrageous. >> eboni: let's go with you, capri. two different things. one is breaking fbi protocol and the other is breaking the law. but we don't know. what we know is comey used specific words in his testimony. he specifically said an
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unclassified memo. >> capri: he said he wrote the ♪ memo, that he wrote it in such a way it could be unclassified. there are so many people involved. jim comey has been all over the board starting all about from last summer and so his veracity is somewhat questionable. at this point, if there is smoke and fire here, we don't know of any illegal activity. it's someone clearly fbi protocol has been breached in some manner, but if there's anything. two wrongs don't make a right, as my grandma would say. if there is something here and enough to look into, then jim comey deserves to have some kind of investigation by congress or someone else to at least get to the bottom of whether or not that memo included classified information. >> eboni: another thing we know is that it wasn't his personal property.
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when you write the memo, it belongs to the government. >> katrina: i think that's where the legal aspect comes from. he violated fbi protocol. there was no sign off releasing that information. this was not a "dear diary" journal entry. >> eboni: not necessarily a statutory breach. >> katrina: maybe not the legal sense we know of yet but we don't know what the president knows we have to remember that. this also goes to show why he probably didn't think hillary clinton should have been indicted because he was doing the same thing. in my opinion, what this looks like is you have arguably one of the most, if not the most powerful bureaucrat in the country essentially creating a file on high-powered politicians possibly for an insurance policy. he goes to the media and leaks the information with the intention of undermining the president of the united states.
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he wanted to undermine the president and give out this illusion the president was doing something wrong. one can look at that and ask, the information that didn't come out, we don't know but there were also leaks prior to this coming from the fbi that we should look at. >> kat: the fact that some of these memos were classified does not mean that the ones he leaked had classified information. i think it's important to know that before anybody goes nuts with any feeling anyway about it. i don't know why the president when i've tweeted that. i do love the phrase "so illegal." on a personal level. super-duper totally illegal. i think he should've waited. we don't know he leaked classified information. hold on, eric. the one thing he said is he wrote it in a way to avoid having any classified information in it and that's the only indication we have so far. >> eric: okay, and we are
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supposed to now believe that all the information comey gave to the professor, none of it was classified? we don't really know that. hold on. the stuff that professor leaks to "the new york times" may or may not have been, it wasn't stamped classified. it may or may not have been classified. but we don't know what else. am i crazy to think that the fbi director leaking information to a professor who is going to leak it to "the new york times" even though may be technically it's illegal, okay. >> eboni: comey's credibility went out the window last summer. in my opinion, he politicize what should've been in a political office, fbi. it's been downhill for there for jim comey. president trump is turning up the pressure on the senate to get the health care deal done before the august recess. can mitch mcconnell get his
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[laughs] i feared going to fail and then we should convene a conferencing what are we going to do. >> kat: vice president mike pence struck a more optimistic tone. >> this president and this administration promised the american people will repeal and replace obamacare. the senate now is within weeks of being able to deliver on the promise. the legislation before the senate for which there is not agreement but we are close, very close. we can get it done and i believe we will. >> kat: capri, we were talking about this in the green room. how are these conversations working towards compromise? you need votes from two separate groups of people who want the opposite thing. the conservatives say it goes too far and the more moderate say doesn't go far enough. how do you have a compromise? >> capri: it's going to be incredibly difficult. they managed to pull it off in
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the house but we are dealing with very vocal, powerful senators and you have the rand pauls of the world and conservatives want to say we need to repeal and replace. there are others, the more moderates, concerned this is not going to serve their constituents well because not only do you have issues of pre-existing conditions not being dealt with but you have issues of medicaid on the chopping block. you move one lever, you get these people, you take two steps forward and one step back. it's going to be difficult for them to get it done. ted cruz has presented a compromise that says you can have a slimmer plan on the health insurance exchange to reduce costs but frankly it doesn't address the issue of higher premiums for those with pre-existing conditions. >> kat: this is an
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embarrassing thing. everybody that was a republican ran off obamacare, it's bad. vote us and so we can fix it. okay, we voted you in. okay but we don't know how to fix it. we agree it needs to be fixed, but it's humiliating. >> eric: john mccain for the first time in 20 years is right. i think it is going to be dead. congratulations on that. we've been saying this for two months, the house bill, nor this bill, hasn't addressed the skyrocketing costs of health care, insurance. seven and a half years, you've got time to figure out how to fix it. some of the things we complained about as republicans. tort reform, selling across state lines, prescription drug prices and choices. they are not in this bill and i can only think maybe there is some corruption, cronyism going on in the d.c. swamp.
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honestly, the leadership in the house and senate have failed donald trump. >> katrina: consistently at this point. i will take it a step further than vice president pence because yes, the president did campaign on repealing and replacing. the conservatives and moderates are having a disagreement. that's too bad. they are going to have to get over themselves because one of the things of that i think is missing from the discussion is republicans think they won in november and they didn't. donald trump won in november, and that's very different. if they can't come together in this 25th hour and come up with something, it's a problem. that's why we are pushing this issue because we have to get to a conference. >> kat: republicans did win on repeal and replace of obamacare.
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>> eboni: i think what katrina is saying that they have the leadership because they rode on the coattails of donald j. trump in november. two considerations, one is passing it. they also need to pass something people are going to like. people feel like it addresses the primary problems and obamacare, skyrocketing premiums. otherwise politically they're going to have the same problem democrats had in 2010. they are going to have to live or die by the popularity of the health care reform. >> capri: democrats need to come to the table peered we all need to govern together. they have to be -- come together. >> eric: ted ted cruz floated e idea, let obamacare be an option, don't make it mandatory. offer a republican alternative. let it implode. not a bad idea.
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>> kat: have to get it together at some point. coming up, the mayor bill de blasio coming back from the summit in hamburg.
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>> eric: new york city mayor despicable bill de blasio unfortunately has returned home after attending the g20 protests or the weekend. de blasio missed a vigil for the new york police officer to tout his far leftist self to anarchist demonstrators in hamburg. >> we here in hamburg, in new york city, cities and towns across germany and america and across the world, we create the change at the grassroots. we lead the way. >> eric: needless to say, de blasio's behavior is not going well with many officers. >> we have an antipolice atmosphere. we are not seeing any kind of
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leadership that comes out and explains the facts that are out there are not true. the police are not your enemy. >> eric: maynard de blasio met with officer familia's family today. >> eboni: we discussed it earlier on my radio show. officers called in and said there was a plan to turn their backs as a show of how much they don't appreciate the mayor taking this type of position. i hate to say it but it feels a bit as if this officer who gave her life for the badge, at her services, they were planned around the mayor's schedule. that's it pretty disgusting sentiment. >> eric: i was in florida and south carolina. law enforcement officers thinking me because we hit de blasio pretty hard on friday friday.
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law enforcement doesn't like de blasio. >> kat: it's not hard to see why not. i wouldn't be surprised, if they do the turning the back thing, if he acts like a victim over that, i'm going to laugh in his face and tell him to shut up trade you can't behave that way and show it's such a low priority to you and then be surprised. it's not just the nypd. it is your nypd. you are supposed to lead it. you are not just some dude. you are the one guy who was the most power to make changes but you have to engage. you can't run away. >> eric: katrina, i don't know, the juxtaposition of donald trump promoting western values and bill de blasio over there trashing western values. >> katrina: my heart breaks for officer familia's family. words can't describe how disgusted i was when i heard about this, knowing someone like a leader in donald trump who
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really puts law enforcement on a pedestal. at the end of the day when something goes wrong, who do you call? it's unfortunate that in his own city he opted to go on a trip, taxpayer dollars may be? >> eric: no, not taxpayer dollars but certainly there were law enforcement protecting the mayor. >> katrina: as eboni said, it was scheduled around his schedule so it's unfortunate -- thank god i am a texas resident but new york has an opportunity now to change the leadership and i think that's what we should be talking about. >> eric: the mayor is probably as popular in new york as he was before he went on the trip. >> capri: he is not particularly popular as far as i can tell. conservatives don't like him. he's not the most popular guy. as a democrat, i am disgusted by the fact that number one, bill de blasio went into the midst of anarchist protesters when he has a job to do here at home.
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and we are politicizing the death of a law-enforcement officer which is wrong. i am not saying "we," collectively the fact that things are being scheduled around the mayor. this is a solemn occasion. i have a good friend who is a state senator. he was there on the scene. unfortunately, our mayor was not. >> eric: we will leave it there. when we circle back, our specialists, katrina pierson and capri cafaro. hi. oh, hi! welcome to the neighborhood. i brought you this pie to see if you're weird. wow, that smells intrusive. it is. did you want to come in, maybe snoop around a bit? that's why i'm here. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? ooh, i smell onions! the citi® double cash card does.
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>> eboni: before we circle back with our specialists, eric, dp photos -- debrief us on your book tour. >> eric: america adores fox. i had so many people saying we put fox on from the time we wake up to the time we go to bed. that first picture is the villages in central florida. amazing crowd loving show. here is the vero beach book clu club. they love the show. they love fox. this is my good friend. we did eight stops in two days. 48 hours, insane. there was over 600 people in a
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bookstore in south carolina, myrtle beach south carolina. next picture, these ladies are the republican ladies of south carolina. they are trump fans. they love trump, they love fox, they love the specialists. this girl brought tears to my eyes. we were in panam city, florida, and she wouldn't let go of the book. she was so happy, so happy. it was heartwarming. >> eboni: eric, congratulations. katrina, you wanted to tell us about your call to action around the russia investigation. >> katrina: it's clear russia is a hoax. president obama said it's not possible to rig the united states elections. i believe him, and he did nothing one russia was attempting to hack. the call to action is for those republican voters in the districts where these committee people sit, the president needs to call his new buddy paul ryan
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and mitch mcconnell and save the investigation is over. this is only happening because the republicans are holding these meetings. he needs to end. >> kat: do you have a different view? in ohio, do people talk about it? >> capri: yeah, they may say a thing or two. at the end of the day, the people in ohio and the people outside of the coasts care about the economy, they care about whether they can feed their family, keep their jobs. whether or not their kids are going to be able to go to school and whether or not they can go to the doctor if they get sick. inside the beltway and on the coasts, we get fixated on these issues that the media focuses on when we really, whether it's the media or elected officials in washington, we need to focus on what the people need, not what stirs the pot. >> eboni: thank you to our
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fox news specialists today, katrina pierson and capri cafar cafaro. follow us on social media. 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" is next. >> bret: this is a fox news alert. i am bret baier in washington. u.s. officials telling the associated press at this hour and active duty army soldier has been arrested by the fbi on terrorism charges in hawaii. authorities say the soldier had connections with the isis terror group and the fbi spokesman says s.w.a.t. special agents arrested the man saturday. the soldier was with the 25th infantry division in honolulu. more on this story when information becomes available. now to the story and an angle that just won't go away for the president. russian interference in last


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