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"special report" is next, and it's amazing. >> bret: the president defends his son, because the russian investigation a witch says vladimir putin would have preferred if hillary clinton had won, and insist the white house is "functioning perfectly." this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. president trump preparing to leave the white house in about an an hour for paris pretty will meet with the new french president for talks and a celebration of bastille day in france. before leaving, president trump a try to minimize the growing controversy over his son's meeting with a russian lawyer. and how that figures into the occlusion investigations ongoing here in washington. she's also trying to portray his
administration as united, on message, and effective. at home and abroad. chief white house correspondent john roberts is already in paris, awaiting the president. it is just after midnight. hello, john. >> good evening. this is the president's second foreign trip that is many weeks and this one intended to show solidarity between the united states and france in the war on terror. president coming here for the first anniversary of that horrible attack in nice last year on bastille day. there is yet another cloud of controversy swirling around the trip, one that threatens to overshadow his agenda. >> well, he wants what's good for russia. and i want what's good for the united states. >> and his first public comments since his summit with vladimir putin, president trump did not talk about the new firestorm surrounding his son don, jr., today but he did say he thinks he and putin can get along. >> i think we got along very very well.
we are a tremendously powerful nuclear power and so are they. it doesn't make sense not to have some kind of relationship. >> in an appearance with sean hannity last night, donald trump, jr. acknowledged he took the meeting with russian attorney natalia veselnitskaya because she may have had useful information about hillary clinton and possible ties to russia. >> i've been reading about scandals the people were probably under reporting for a long time so maybe it was something that had to do with one of those things. this was her, perhaps involvement with the russian government. >> trump, jr. play down the encounter, saying that natalia veselnitskaya revealed nothing about hillary clinton and instead wanted to talk about russian adoptions. the president praised the appearance, tweeting this morning: "my son donald did a good job last night. he was open, transparent and innocent. this is the greatest witch hunt in political history. sad!"
the matter came up on capitol hill today, lindsey graham pushing fbi nominee christopher wray into directly contradicting the president prayed >> do you consider this endeavor a witch"! i do not consider director mueller to be on witch hunt. >> white house printable deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders backed up her boss basically the president has made clear his position and it has not changed. >> graham also pressed schiff whether he thought trump, jr. should've brought the matter to the fbi. >> to the members of the committee, any threat to interfere with our elections from any nationstate or any nonstate actor is a kind of thing the fbi would want to know. >> russian a first stage denied any involvement in the meeting between trump, jr. and the 14. the whole episode as worthy of a soap opera. >> i turned on the tv and western channels keep discussing it. it's amazing how you can make a buzz from nothing. >> the president tried to force the spotlight on the democrats tweeting: @washtimes states "democrats have willfully used moscow
disinformation to influence the presidential election against donald trump." why aren't the same standards placed on the democrats. look what hillary clinton may have gotten away with. disgraceful!" after smothering any progress that came out of president trump's meeting with vladimir putin lastly, the controversy now threatens to overshadow his upcoming trip to france. amid reports the white house is in a state of paralysis and president trump obsessed with the bad news on cable tv, he took a "nothing to see your attitude, tweeting: "the w.h. is functioning perfectly, focused on healthcare, tax cuts/reform and many other things. i have very little time for watching t.v." two democratic members of congress taking advantage of the firestorm of controversy surrounding donald trump, jr. filed an article of impeachment for obstruction of justice. it's not likely it will go anywhere in the house but they
are on record. >> bret: john roberts in front of a sparkling eiffel tower just after midnight in paris. thank you. one of the key figures in the russian probe is preparing to tell his story to senators next week. tonight businessmen bill browder talks with senior foreign affairs correspondent amy kellogg. >> the russian lawyer who met with donald trump, jr. last summer was a relative unknown to many until this week. but not to american hedge fund manager bill browder. >> i've only met her once. she checks me as a very high strung and hostile person but that may be because of her role. >> he says he's long been a target of a smear campaign by natalia veselnitskaya. period he was the biggest foreign investor in the 90s. corrupt officials stroll money he had paid in of moscow. his lawyer says --
browder pushed congress to write the magnitsky act. veselnitskaya is the top lobbyist on the case. >> apparently an unlimited budget from her russian paymasters to do whatever she deems necessary in terms of attacking the magnitsky act. >> vladimir putin apparently so mad about the sanctions he froze u.s. adoptions of russian children in retaliation. the kremlin denies veselnitskaya was an agent of the russian government but browder believes she was sent to offer a good protocol to the trump team. apparently there was no dirt on hillary clinton. >> it went on to a story about russian adoption and how we could help and that's where we shut it down. >> for her part, veselnitskaya maintains independence. >> translator: i do not
represent the interests of anyone other than myself in this situation today. >> ironically veselnitskaya is representing a man who just made a settlement in u.s. court to avoid charges of money laundering, money that browder says was stolen from him. browder will be testifying before congress. he believes people such as veselnitskaya working in america to overturn the magnitsky act are not registered as foreign agents or lobbyists and therefore should be subject to prosecution. among those lobbyists browder claims his fusion gps, the firm believed to have order the original "dodgy dossier" on president trump. >> bret: thank you. as you saw in john's report, the confirmation hearing for the residents pick to run the fbi wasn't dominated by questions tied to the russian investigations in one way or another. over and over, senators from both parties pressed christopher wray to declare his independence from president trump.
wray won support from even the biggest administration critics. here is catherine herridge. >> the fbi director nominee christopher wray told the senate judiciary committee there is no room for political interference. >> what's your view on the independence of the fbi generally but more importantly as u.s. director? >> i believe to my core that there's only one right way to do this job. strict independence, by the book, playing it straight. >> if the president asked you to do something unlawful or unethical, what do you say? >> first i would try to talking out of it and if that failed, i would resign. stick up it's not just the fbi's independence senators are concerned about. >> will you commit that any white house direction that you would curtail or and an investigation is something you would report back to this committee clocks!
would certainly report it wherever it's appropriate. i would need to make sure i was compliant with my legal obligations. >> on the russian government interference in the u.s. elections, schiff said it's a settled matter. >> i've no reason to doubt it. >> said he would look into media reports democrats worked with ukraine officials to hurt the trump campaign. the president's decision to fire james comey was a central line of questioning. on comey's claim that the president asked for a pledge of loyalty, schiff said he met with mr. trump of the white house along with justice department officials and set a different experience. >> no one asked me for any kind of loyalty oath at any point during the process. i sure as i didn't offer one. >> you would not give one if asked. >> correct. wray was asked if like comey hea one-on-one parade >> would you meet in the oval office with the president with no one else present? >> it would depend the circumstances. it would be highly unlikely but
i think i could imagine a situation where there would be some national security matter that might call for it. >> the president supports the use of controversial interrogation tactics, wray laid out his opinion. >> torture is wrong, and acceptable, illegal, ineffective. >> the fired fbi director did not escape criticism. >> i can't imagine a situation where an fbi director, i would be giving a press conference. >> while comey documented his conversations with the president, wray said memorializing any government discussions will be done on a case-by-case basis. >> after the hearing, republicans democrats on the committee had positive things to say about speed 24. the committee chairman chuck grassley told reporters he hopes wray's confirmation will be complete before august.
>> bret: catherine herridge: thank you. republican senators also on the hill continued their work for coming up with an obamacare repeal and replace bill. they will brief the rank and file tomorrow morning latest effort, presenting a bill and waiting on the congressional budget office to give it a score. peter doocy tells us where we are. >> tomorrow morning, g.o.p. senate leaders unveiled their latest attempt at a health care plan they think can pass. today, we have seen three kinds of republican senators working the halls of congress. there are those who appear to have gone from opposing the measure to almost supporting it, like senator ron johnson. >> any one of my colleagues who said they are going to repeal it and now they are holding out because we're still not throwing enough of the problem, i would ask them to check their consciences. what did you promise to the american people? >> those who are still firm no votes like senator rand paul. >> two weeks ago i said i
couldn't support the bill as it was. they have taken the bill and made it worse. >> than there are those who are ready to stop trying to pass health care without any democratic votes and start reaching across the aisle. like senator lindsey graham, ironing out details on a plan b. >> i want to give democrats an opportunity to at least have an input to the idea. i may be wrong but i think this will unite every republican. and any democrat who believes states are able to handle health care better than washington. >> overruled lukens her to bring any democrats on board, the democratic whip dick durbin says they need to bring the adapting process into the light. >> went out they take their idea and put it in a committee, like the health committee where the chairman can hold a hearing. the american people can take a look at the proposal. >> leaders in the house are hesitant to delay their upcoming august recess like the senate just announced so if anything passes the upper chamber, house
lawmakers will have to come back to town to approve it. an architect of the house version doesn't sound ready to rubber-stamp it. >> we are going to let it -- left the senate have their space. i have every confidence in their leadership that they can come together. >> even though the senate is delaying their august recess, some senators are now saying there could be a health care vote as soon as next week. if the timeline slides again, and the senate isn't able to approve something if they can approve something until after the house goes away, house lawmakers were told today they would receive 72 hours notice wherever they are in the world that it's time to come back to work and approve the senate bill. >> bret: we will c. medicaid costs are a major issue in health care reform. the chief correspondent mike emanuel shows us how one senator thinks he can keep the program from breaking the bank. >> key component in the revised
health care reform bill will come from pennsylvania senator pat toomey seeking to cap the growth rate of medicaid spending. >> we are going to make sure that as medicaid continues to grow, it grows at a pace that our economy can afford. rather than the out-of-control growth we have had. by doing that, we make the program sustainable indefinitely. >> toomey says what happened with medicaid was mission creep. >> a tiny percentage of americans when it was first launched. today it's over 20% of americans. >> robert moffat notes its original purpose for us to go medicaid was 1965 along with medicare and the focus of medicaid was to provide medical assistance primarily to the poor and indigent. it was basically designed as a welfare program for the poorest and most vulnerable members of society. >> in 1970, medicaid was 1.4% of
federal spending. it grew to 3.3% and 1990. then in 2010, up to 7.9%. the estimate for this year is 9.8% of federal spending. toomey says the expansion happened with obamacare including able-bodied working age adults who don't have children. >> we are not disallowing the category but we are saying if were going to do this, we've got to asked states to pay their fair share. if the state says it's not worth us to do it, that's their decision. but i think that's an important reform. >> george will offered this context in "the washington post." "comey's provision makes it the century's most significant domestic policy reform." moffat says over time it should have a huge impact. >> at the end of ten years, there will be a very significant savings to the taxpayer and the program of about $772 billion. understand this, it's not a
result of cuts to the program. the bill doesn't eliminate any category of beneficiaries. it simply changes the growth rate per enrollee cost over time. >> while conservatives talk savings, democrats call them cuts. >> there is a slashing in medicaid by about $770 billion over ten years and if you add to that additional cuts to medicaid proposed by the president's budget, we are north of a trillion dollars of cuts to medicaid. >> before the revised bill has been ruled out, democrat senator maria cantwell launch this attack, although with a misspelled problem. >> i would hope my colleagues would stop the focus on the capitation of cutting medicare. >> it's a big deal if we take one of the biggest government programs ever and take it from an out-of-control program
driving deficits and debt and make it an under control program that can be sustained and help us right the ship. i will consider it an accomplishment. >> toomey says the medicaid cap could help gain conservative support, reason to say yes even if there are other ethics of this revised health care reform plan they do not like. >> bret: mike emanuel, thanks. california's largest labor union for health care workers is a plaintiff in a lawsuit who says the state is failing to pay doctors enough. the suit says more than half of the residents are latinos, low income residents. estimated 7.2 million latinos. state health care services not commenting. house majority web steve scalise is out of intensive care. he underwent surgery last week for an infection. he was injured in a shooting at
a republican congressional baseball team practice last month. scalise's condition remained serious. up next, the president's top law-enforcement officer isn't kidding about pulling funds from sanctuary cities. here is what some of our fox affiliates are covering. fox 29 in philadelphia, the owners of farmland being searched for for missing young men have been subpoenaed. their son was arrested for allegedly stealing a car belonging to one of the missing men. fox 13 in tampa, florida governor rick scott signs a bill for murder charges to be brought against anyone who provides a deadly dose of a controlled substance such as fentanyl. also presses for greater charges against dealers and traffickers of opioids. this is a live look at las vegas from our affiliate fox 5 from a big story there tonight, marijuana dispensaries are running out of pot. the governor has declared a
state of emergency. recreational marijuana became legal july 1st and the surgeon sales there has left a lot of shelves empty. most dispensaries don't have the special license they need to get the product into their stores. that's two nights live look outside the beltway from "special report." we will be right back. by a heart valve problem. but no matter what path i take, i go for my best. so if there's something better than warfarin, i'll go for that too. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily...
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>> bret: president's top law-enforcement official getting serious about sanctuary cities. attorney general jeff sessions talking with officials about withholding federal funds for jurisdictions that do not obey immigration law. tonight, national correspondent william la jeunesse rides along with federal agents trying to
keep illegal immigrants from becoming repeat offenders. >> by 5:30, this treats tourist to clear up. >> tuesday morning in l.a., i.c.e. agents prepared to arrest criminal aliens in his fee that protects them. first up, carlos sanchez, gang member convicted of multiple felonies. across town, it agents look for eduardo gimenez, they catch them trying to escape. convicted of alien smuggling, theft, and two duis, ellie released him from jail after hit-and-run. >> i can be here without papers. >> you were. >> yeah. there's a lot of people the same as me. >> do they blame trump? >> sanchez also blames trump.
what trump is doing is insanity. he's not looking at criminals. just because you've got misdemeanors. >> according to i.c.e., even with the controversial crack time, president trump is on track to depart significantly fewer criminal and noncriminal immigrants and president obama. >> police chiefs across the nation believe and listing local to enforce immigration law is a bad idea. >> we are not asking them to enforce immigration law. we are asking them to allow us to do our jobs. >> two sanctuary states, four counties, four cities currently under a legal review by the attorney general. including las vegas where today he urged clark county to cooperate with i.c.e. >> jurisdictions still refused to cooperate with federal immigration authorities regarding illegal aliens who commit crimes. >> today in san francisco, the just department -- justice department appealed the ruling
saying the administration could not penalize it sanctuary cities. >> bret: not a current opening in the u.s. supreme court. the administration is prepared if one should become open but president trump still have an opportunity to carve out a major legacy on the federal bench. chief legal correspondent shannon bream shows us. >> i neil gorsuch do solemnly swear. >> president trump's nomination of neil gorsuch is regularly touted by the administration is one of its greatest achievements to date, it's the scores of lower court federal judges he's choosing that could not only have an impact on key legal disputes now but could have -- could cement his long-term legacy. >> the trend is to look to young judges on the lower courts to fill supreme court seats when they open up. then that gives you several decades of influence on the highest court.
>> of 890 seats on the federal bench, 136 are vacant with 15 nominations pending. during his eight years in the white house, president obama reshaped more than one key federal court and with the help of perry reed, change the rules for confirming federal judges to the lower court forever. the trump administration plans to use that to the president's advantage. >> what he needs to do is replicate the success of justice gorsuch on a massive scale throughout the courts of appeals and district court spirit >> conservatives point to a judge who was recently elevated to a seat on the sixth circuit bench. >> senator, i will follow the law and you will never have reason to say i didn't. >> he fits the mold. accomplished, conservative, young. that worries the left. >> if trump would be able to put a young judge in justice kennedy
seat, as he's done justice gorsuch, we could have a trumpian supreme court for decades. >> the president moving aggressively to start filling the vacancies. he has filled a number of them and has more to go. >> several state court judges president trump included in his list of potential supreme court nominees have since been nominated to take one of those open seats on the federal bench. seen as a move to beef up their credentials in advance of another supreme court opening. >> bret: thank you. the dow hit a record high today, jumping 123. s&p 500 up 18, nasdaq surged 68. president's top diplomat still in the middle east trying to get american allies attend their standoff. secretary of state rex tillerson appears to have his hands full on this issue and others. rich edson has the latest from
the state department. >> newly ascended to crown prince of saudi arabia holds his first formal meeting with an american official, secretary of state rex tillerson. secretary tillerson arrives in saudi arabia, trying to resolve a conflict pursuing critical u.s.
security allies. >> i appreciate the interest we share, our countries, mutual interests in terms of security, stability. it's very important, strong partnership between the united states and saudi arabia. >> the secretary has said the crisis is hindering military operations. the largest base in the region is in qatar. hosts more than 10,000 american service members and launches air strikes against isis. >> it's good news that the american secretary of state has decided to get involved in this crisis. kuwait might be okay as a mediator but nobody in this region has the kind of credibility, power, and relationships with all the
parties that the united states has. >> the pentagon says the crisis is affecting long-term planning. base operations continue unhindered. the u.s. has a substantial military or intelligence sharing relationship with the nations opposing qatar qatar. >> it weakens the coalition and leaves iran to believe they can continue to press and push because the enemy is not unified and they've got a more open path to pursue their expansionist ambitions buried >> this week, the u.s. signed a memo with qatar expanding their relationship in confronting terrorist financing. saudi arabia and its allies dismissed it. they refused to trust qatari promises. >> after a day of meetings today, secretary tillerson returns tomorrow to qatar where the state department says he wrote the latest saudi point of view. trying to end a crisis the secretary says could take months
to resolve. >> bret: rich edson at the state department. thank you. huge iceberg with twice the volume of lake erie has broken off from a key floating ice shelf in antarctica. scientists say it's a natural event and not caused by man-made climate change. the iceberg weighs more than 1 trillion tons, trillion with a t appeared we are told it will not affect sea levels in the short term. president says the white house is functioning perfectly, his son is innocent, team trump is on defense as the president is off to france. we will talk about all that with the panel when we return. dentures are very different
won, our military would be decimated. our energy would be much more expensive. that's what putin doesn't like about me, and that's why i say why would he want me? you would like hillary where she wants to have windmills. energy prices would go up and russia relies on energy. there are many things i do that are the exact opposite of what he would want, so when i keep hearing about that he would've rather had
drum, i think probably not. >> bret: president trump within interview on cbn talking about vladimir putin. obviously this falls after this investigation has heated up. donald trump, jr.'s meetings, he tweeted about all of that this morning. "my son donald did a good job last night. he was open, transparent and innocent. this is the greatest witch hunt in political history. sad! remember, when you hear the words "sources say" from the fake media, often times those sources are made up and do not exist.
why aren't the same -- why aren't the same standards placed on the democrats. look what hillary clinton may have gotten away with. the w.h. is functioning perfectly, focused on healthcare, tax cuts/reform and many other things. i have very little time for watching t.v. that may have been reaction to the stories we saw today. politico, white house is helpless. aides feel helpless. "new york times," rancor of the white house as russia story refuses to let the page turn. "washington post," category five hurricane. white house under siege. ap, russia scandal touches his son, trump rages. let's bring in the panel. guy benson, lisa boothe, susan page, richard grenell. guy, the president today, and the reaction time of this. >> i think the white house
problem right now is one of credibility. i've seen some of the arguments about donald trump, jr. and his actions and to me they are decent arguments. for example, this isn't certainly treason, probably not even a crime. there's a good case to be made on those points. people are saying look at ukraine and their interaction with an operative at the dnc during the election campaign. to the benefit of hillary clinton. that's a fair point as well. the problem is, you have this blanket assertion from the president, vice president, all the way down, that there was no collusion, there were no meetings with russians. this is all a fairy tale and then slowly but surely the thread gets pulled and there are retractions and backpedaling and revisions of the public record. a big one being this donald trump, jr. situation because he exquisitely said i never met with a russian national in an arranged meeting. clearly that was not true. >> bret: susan, as a these different players lawyer up, that's when you start to get
what perhaps is described in some of these pieces about the chaos of lawyers telling them to do one thing. that's how "the new york times" gets these emails apparently from jared kushner's lawyers. what we assume from the writing of the email, the story. your thoughts on the description of the chaos. >> we have competing power centers that are using leaks against one another. it's hard to avoid the impression this is a chaotic situation and one that's overwhelmed everything else. at the white house, they are basically bystanders to the big debate in the senate on health care, for instance. they have sublet that to mitch mcconnell. they are not talking about the tax bill they've promised to provide details for. this issue, this russia issue has overwhelmed everything and it looks to me like it only gets worse because each time you have a disclosure, it leads to another disclosure. each time you find out about a meeting, it gives investigators
new people to go talk to to compare their stories, to get someone to tell about another meeting we don't yet know about. there's no sign at all that the stream of disclosures are about to stop. >> i think i'm the only one who doesn't live in washington, d.c. people don't care about this. there's such a difference between listening and acting. i think donald trump, jr. listened to something that was brought to him. he didn't act on it. he didn't remember, nobody in the remember meaning remembere. it was nothing. it was a crazy person coming up with some idea that when they heard it, they were like, were not doing anything. jared kushner left the meeting early. when you are on campaigns, you do a lot of listening. the only act on information that's relevant it's going to happen -- help you. they dismissed it and i was glad
to see donald trump, jr. give us the email and show us what was said so we didn't have to hear the interpretation from the media. i don't think people care about this at all. >> bret: you have a "wall street journal" headline tomorrow that will say "russian officials overheard discussing trump associates before campaign began." again, the leaks seem to be coming out drip by drip and this may be another one. >> this is certainly not going away. i do think the collusion narrative was drying up and then you have the story. clearly people are not going to ignore it and were going to continue to see a daily dose of headlines until robert mueller reaches some sort of conclusion. there is a lot of self-righteous indignation for people who shouldn't be self-righteous. politics is not a white and black industry. it's murky and gray. most people in politics operate in the great area. listening to people like robbie
mook. the ukrainian government working with the hillary campaign. there was a hillary clinton donor behind the dossier. she set up her own private server and deleted tens of thousands of emails with the intent of running for president. the obama administration used the irs to target conservatives and potentially using government resources to keep tabs on the trump team. then you look at "the new york times" ," whose executive editor said he would be willing to break the law to release the trump tax returns. there is a lot of gray area. unfortunately everybody's in operating -- operating in it. >> bret: the president hitting on it again and again about the media. here is alan dershowitz and jonathan turley.
>> i don't see any crime at this point. at the moment, i see no legal jeopardy for trump, jr. but of course we have to know more facts. simply using the material you know is obtained illegally is not at the moment regarded as a crime. i think it would be wrong to prosecute somebody for that noncrime. >> while they might be chumps, it doesn't make them criminals. the fact that they had the meeting is not evidence of treason. >> correct. alan dershowitz and jonathan turley have been voices of sanity and reason on the left throughout all of this. they were saying let's hold on to the obstruction of justice issue. if you are a conservative, or anyone in the country, we should be drawing distinctions. you might be doing things that are bad that are unethical, that are sleazy, that are not illegal or crimes or impeachable offenses. the fact that you have members of congress on the democratic side filing an article of impeachment or trying to come of the fact that you have a senior
senator who was hillary clinton's running mate using the word treason, that's reckless, irresponsible and classic overreach. frankly, i think it emboldens trump and rallies has party around him when the other side takes what's a bad story for the trump administration and runs with it way too fast. people say all right, this is getting ridiculous brand that helps trump. >> bret: susan, what about the interview today, what we learned in the cbn interview. he goes into detail about defending the effort to establish a relation ship with vladimir putin and talks about the success of the syrian cease-fire. >> the syrian cease-fire was underachievement. it's been overwhelmed by the latest disclosures on russia. i don't think a lot of americans think russia is top of mind, it's not their number one concern. this is not at its heart a
public relations battle or a political battle. it's a legal battle for what robert mueller finds. we are not at the end of the investigation. we are at the beginning. we can predict where it's going to go and what the legal consequences might be, and that is the pea in the shell. >> bret: a lot of these characters inside the white house tangentially inside the campaign are probably going to be under oath at some point answering questions and that changes the dynamic. >> the consequences for not telling the truth under oath are much more serious than not telling the truth to reporter. >> bret: back to syria, this is something that should be touted. >> absolutely. i don't buy the reporters are too busy to focus -- focusing on the trump donald trump, jr. st.
we have serious policy going on. you can do both. look at what's going on between qatar and saudi arabia and the ua. that should be on the front page as well. >> bret: next up, the battle over health care reform. hundreds of dollars on youmy car insurance. saved me huh. i should take a closer look at geico... (dog panting) geico has a 97% customer satisfaction rating! and fast and friendly claims service.
>> repeal and replace. i am sitting in the oval office with the pen in hand waiting for our senators to give it to me. i hope they do it. they've been promising it for years. >> the obamacare repeal bill is not a repeal. the new bill is actually less of a repeal member old bill -- then the old bill. >> i am prepared to stay as long
as necessary and here is many amendments as people want to. >> more time is not gonna solve their problem on health care. it's much deeper than that. >> if we sit on our hands, families will continue to starve. >> bret: we see the next iteration of the repeal and replace bill tomorrow. likely the cbo score by monday. we could have a vote by next week in the senate. back with the panel. susan, where do you think we are? >> the first hurdle is getting 50 votes to proceed with debate. it's not clear mitch mcconnell can even do that. sounds like rand -- doesn't sound like rand paul is going to fall in line for susan collins with a totally different set of concerns. mitch mcconnell is going to need a magic wand to get a proposal they can get 50 republican votes and get through. i think he's the going to pursue it, going to try to have a vote
because i think until they get this off their plate they can't move on to other things. >> gives me a lot of angst from a political perspective. i think it's a disaster for republicans. if they move forward with some kind of health care bill, they're going to get clobbered in the midterm election with paid advertising saying republicans denied americans health insurance and voted to cut medicaid for the sick and poor. if they don't do something they're going to get hit from the right, potentially a primary challenger or have a discouraged face who has no reason to vote for them because they been lied to over the past few years. he also look at the fact that the reconciliation process is nuanced, limiting what you can get done. that's a difficult message for republicans. it's complicated. potentially politically
disastrous which is why you're seeing so many republicans placed on what the best course of action is. >> bret: that said, you are seeing some republicans change from no or maybe no ts. or at least a hesitant yes. the vice president making a pitch today in kentucky. >> the very same politicians who gave us obamacare now won't lift a finger to help the american people out from under its collapsing weight but i'm here to promise you they won't stop us because president donald trump and the leadership in the congress will not rest. we will not relent until we rescue the people of kentucky and all across america from obamacare. >> bret: seems committed. >> one of the best arguments republicans have is you have democrats making predictions about doom and gloom and it's going to kill all these people. these are the same folks who lied through their teeth about obamacare to pass it and who at
best were wrong in the slew of promises when it comes to the family law they designed. there was a poll that came out before july 4th that showed 11% of americans want obamacare to remain in place intact as it is. it's not a popular law. it's failing people and harming millions of folks and republicans have to recognize yes there's a lot of noisy town hall angst. there is a lot of people on the left united making sound and fury. a poll today shows the vast majority of republican voters expect republicans continue on the path to repeal and replace. if they walk away from it, it's disastrous. obamacare stays in place which is not going to work. you have to do something. >> only 11% wanted obamacare preserved as it was. 12% supported the republican
bill. 26 of republicans supported the republican bill. a majority of americans said we would like obamacare fixed, not repealed and replaced. that's a great dilemma. >> if you talk to conservatives, the plan on the table is closer to a fix than a full repeal. but it's difficult with this balancing act that mcconnell is dealing with. >> bret: and he's dealing with trying to herd the cats. >> i would always bet on mitch mcconnell. he can pull this off. his genius when it comes to this stuff. he's also got to helps. donald trump is a dealmaker. i think when it comes to issues like obamacare, he's more willing to cut a deal. that's going to be better for americans, not always great for the political process but better for americans. then you have the vice president who knows the house and he's
popular with the conservatives. the team, i would bank on them finding a way to get a deal done. >> bret: president trump on cbn about the meeting with repeal bills in the past. >> for years, they've been talking about repeal, replace. i think they passed it 61 times. but it didn't mean anything because you had the minority, the republicans. wasn't going to get to the president. if it ever did, obama wasn't going to sign it. now we have a president that's waiting to sign it. i have pen in hand so now it mean something. >> bret: lisa, he went on to say he would be very, very angry if they didn't do it. >> and so what a lot of republicans and americans as well. it's easy to have courage when you are voting on something that's not going to go anywhere. it's another thing when there are political ramifications.
it's more difficult when things actually become real and so i think that's what republicans are dealing with. >> bret: susan, the political calculation about the republicans we say let's not do this because it's not 100% and it'll fall on the democrats in the election, once you have the house and senate, white house, it's your deal. >> the republicans are in charge. it's hard for them to not own whatever health care system we have. there is talk that maybe they should work with democrats. mitch mcconnell suggested that last week. democrats are looking to the midterm election with the idea that the big problems in health care could be to their benefit just like it hurt them so much after the affordable care act was passed. >> bret: do you think something gets passed? >> i would be surprised. i think it's possible but from what i'm hearing from some senators, they are really far apart. if it comes to a fix with democrats, if the republicans
can do it on their own after campaigning on it, then that fixes going to be really unpalatable i think to a lot of conservative voters. >> bret: quicker down the road? >> no, not right now. >> no. >> bret: i'm not going to be the tiebreaker. thank you. when we come back, a high-tech way to lend someone more than just a hand. stay with us.
>> bret: finally tonight, a recent college graduate from texas who is making a difference doing what he really loves. when adam williams meant 8-year-old garrett clark he knew he wanted to help them live life like every other kid despite not having an arm. williams heard about his story after meeting his father, who actually was a professor at
university of texas arlington where williams attended. he decided to build garrett a 3d printer on networks just like the real one. >> i just like building things, . seeing that it actually help someone obviously is a warm tingly feeling. >> bret: this is the future, folks. 3d printed arm. he cannot shake hands, arm wrestle and even shoot laser beams. one thing he says he won't do, help mom with the dishes, but that's a great story. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight, that's it for this special report. fair, balanced, unafraid. the "the story" starts with martha maccallum in just a second. you can log on foxnews.com/ foxnews.com/specialreport, click watch now on the left side of the screen and comment away. if you have not been there before, it's fun, it's more relaxed, ask questions, make comments.
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