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martha maccallum with the big interview with deputy attorney general, his first national interview, speaks only to marshall comic martha only on fox news channel and it starts right now >> martha: breaking tonight, several big stories. an exclusive interview with the man who green-lighted a special counsel investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and whether it's right for james khomeini to leak his notes on private conversations with the president to the press. plus decision date tomorrow. o.j. simpson, will he be freed after serving eight years behind bars for armed robbery? two of the biggest players in the simpson murder trial join us tonight to talk about it. mark fuhrman with a lead l.a. pd detective in that case, and a key witness in the courtroom. famed attorney alan dershowitz
was a member of simpson's legal dream team. i am martha maccallum. first the breaking news tonight out of washington. the president's patients appears to be running out. another meeting about to get underway at 7:30 eastern on capitol hill, we are watching metlife. the white house and some keep senate players will join together. mitch mcconnell said that there will be a vote to proceed next week. we will see how that shapes up. the president says there are mixed messages, but in one form or another he wants action. yesterday the president tweeted this. as i've always had, let obamacare fail. and then come together and do a great health care plan. stay tuned. but here is the president today at a lunch with the g.o.p. senators. listen. >> seven years he promised the american people that you would repeal obamacare. people are hurting. inaction is not an option. and frankly i don't think we should leave town unless we have
a health insurance plan. any senator that votes against starting debate is telling america that you are fine with obamacare. but being fun with obamacare isn't an option for another reason. because it's gone. it's failed. it's not going to be around. >> martha: there you have it. chief national correspondent ed henry live at the white house tonight. good evening. >> good to see you. let me give you dramatic example of how difficult this battle is for president trump. even if the majority leader mitch mcconnell gets the 50 votes needed for that motion to proceed, it basically moves forward on a debate that the president said in that sound bite he wants to happen. republican lamar alexander emerged from the lunch today to say that even if they succeed on that motion, he does not think there were even 40 yes votes on a repeal only bill. more than ten votes short. that is a stunning example of
just how difficult it is to bring along the president's fellow republicans on a repeal only. as for repeal and replace, trouble there, too. a new fox poll shows only a narrow majority of republican support the senate bill. as to what next if the president cannot get a deal, a whopping 74% of voters to say he and republican leaders should compromise with democrats. 22% said drop the plan altogether. leave obamacare in place and start over later on. meanwhile, a new "wall street journal" poll, that focused on the 439 counties that elected the president. they found 47% of all voters, 59% of those who voted for the president, say they do not know what to think about the republican health bill. that needs -- the president did not sell this harness. they are arguing he is about you on the road, sell it some more, he's been active already. they said the reason the public is not focused on health care is that the media is fascinated with russia. the latest example, screaming
headlines last night and today suggesting something nefarious happened because the president had second so-called secret meeting with russian president vladimir putin in germany. a meeting that allegedly lasted an hour. white house officials insist it did not last that long. it happened on the sidelines of a not so secret dinner hosted by the german chancellor angela merkel. the president said it's a fake new story, we were all invited, the press knew about it. it leaked because some of the allies at the dinner table did not like that putin was getting more attention than the others. the white house tells us that everybody should calm down. it was not even a meeting. he was basically a drive-by meeting on the sidelines over dessert. this was not a big deal. breaking tonight, the senate judiciary committee has just announced that they've invited top trump advisors to come testify next week, monday, jared
kushner, a top white house aide, expected to be behind doors. and then paul manafort, a seam in the middle, the former campaign manager, as well as donald trump junior at the center of that controversial june, 2016 meeting at trump tower with a russian lawyer and others. bottom line is they are expected to testify wednesday next week in a public session. that could ratchet all of this up on the russia story, martha, but on the other hand it also gives these trump advisors and family members a chance to finally tell their side of the story. >> martha: so is that all, add? nothing much going on. [laughs] ed henry outside the white house. he was more, charles hurt, both are fox news contribute's. welcome to both of you. good to see you both tonight. this is sort of a thick brew of situations going on in washington. charlie, i do want to give you
one crack at this health care situation. has the president done enough to rally people -- those poll's are very interesting, people don't get it, they aren't sure how it's going to change. 74% say why don't you just get together, democrats and republicans come and see what kind of fixes you can make. >> short. i think the president probably could've done a better job pushing the bill, pushing some of the specifics in it. but the specifics, i would lay the larger share of the blame at the feet of republican leaders in congress because they've been at it for seven years. seven years they've been under the hood tinkering, or should have been tinkering with all the different things the free market ideas that they could have replaced obamacare with. instead they did this showboat ector showboat, and i think honestly when president trump came into office, an event
republican leaders in congress never thought was going to happen, or they may have had a plan in place. i think that he really did think that they had to of been much further along, and that's why if you remember early on, he really cracked the whip and said we are going to get this thing done in a week. republican leaders were like we can't get that done the week, we haven't started yet. he did expect them to have a whole lot more of a framework in place. >> martha: and when you look at what people care about in terms of issues, health care is at the top. so they want them responsibility on this issue. the government is in place to try to find better ways to deal with things for the american people. that's their job. that's what they get paid to do. they expect them to do it. maria, i will turn to this g20 meeting. i don't know how you have a secretly revealed meeting when they're 60 people sitting around you. have you been the dinner party, and everybody has, if you really want to talk turkey with somebody, you're probably not going to do it in a room like
that. what is the outcry about? >> i think a couple things. the trump administration gave a lot of readouts of the g20 and managed to not mention this, which on the backs of everything else on the russia story, looks a little weird. from my perspective, not having your own translator in that meeting seems like a wonky diplomatic knee. it's actually a problem, because you are relying on putin's translator to basically tell putin what the president of the united states wants. we would never have done that. i don't know what it was, we've no idea what they talked about. nobody else in the american government knows what they talked about independently besides the president. >> martha: the people to the right in the left know what they talked about. >> here's the problem. clearly some of our european allies were upset enough that they were getting treated less well then russian president putin was. i don't think this is the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of american foreign policy, but look. if he has nothing to hide on the
russia story, even if he is guilty of nothing but bad judgment, he acts like he has something to hide by not being transparent about this relationship with russia after everything we've been through. that i think is a problem for the administrator. >> martha: charlie, there's this other story about the cia covert operation that the white house apparently doesn't want to continue. there's a variety of reasons why they may not want to continue i it. is that problematic given this sideline discussion at the dinner party, because that's what a lot of people are trying to make out of it? >> i think she makes a fine point, and that is given the environment, given the russia hysteria that we've been going through for the past couple of months, everything is going to get scrutinized. the white house probably would be wise to sort of do everything they can to minimize this stuff. it really has -- and all my years covering politics, the last three or four weeks i have never been so disoriented in
washington in terms of listening to these genuinely -- people i thought were serious reporters, going on and on about all this russia stuff. for which there is no allegation of a crime. they are comparing it to watergate, which again was a crime. they would be better served to handle this from a media standpoint. >> martha: i think that's probably a good way to put it. charlie, thank you. good to see you here in new york. coming up next, can the police take your money when they pull you over? >> the question do you have cash in the vehicle is surprisingly common in traffic stops. and the police are prepared to overcome any linkage barrier to overcome appeared to be on the department of justice as oliver has it all wrong. their answer in my exclusive interview with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein next. what about one place just pull someone over and decide to seize a wallet, money, in that
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special counselor robert mueller. our conversation begins with another hot issue. attorney general jeff sessions reinstating get tough policy is on drugs and the people who traffic them. it's a whole new era at justice. >> asset forfeiture is a key that helps law enforcement defund organized crime. takeback ill-gotten gains from them, and prevent new crimes from being committed. >> martha: 's of the policy is not without controversy, which is exactly where we begin with deputy attorney general rosenstein. watch. deputy attorney, thank you very much for being with us. i want to jump right in on the issue of civil forfeiture, which i know you are discussing. john oliver recently sort of brought this issue on television, talking about a man who was pulled over and had $2400 confiscated from them by the police. i think for a lot of people, to present to hear that this is a practice that happens often and
that the police don't really need anything more than a good hunch that i might be drug money to take that money away and not give it back. >> that's actually misrepresentation. a hunch is not enough. in order to seize property, police need probable cause. the same standard that they need to make an arrest. when decision is made to forfeit property federally, we conduct an independent review in those circumstances. we have a government lawyer, a federal government lawyer review those facts and make a determination on whether or not that seizure was supported by probable cause. >> martha: about when police just pull somebody over and decide to seize a wallet, money, and that situation. is that all right? >> keep in mind that the federal government doesn't regulate all police conduct. we are talking about here, cases where a decision was made in federal forfeiture. that issue only comes up when the police present this matter to a federal government agency and request their assistance in
conducting a forfeiture. if they want the federal government to forfeit that property, then we need to make our own determination about whether a seizure was supported by probable cause. >> martha: and inspector general did a study on the doj and said $20 billion a comment of the coffers through those means and that in some cases there was not any litigation, and a charging that was related to those forfeitures. >> i think that $28 billion is an accumulation of a lot of different forfeitures over an extended period of time. in every case where the government forfeits property, anybody who claims an interest in that property has a right to object. in most cases, no objection is made. no claim is filed. the reason no claim is filed in most cases is because the evidence is overwhelming and people realize it's not going to be worth the effort to do that. >> martha: understood. with regard to the issue of sentencing, attorney general sessions has had that he is reversing the policy of the obama administration.
he wants to seek the most serious, readily provable offense, particularly with regard to drug offenses. what issues do you believe the department of justice will address or remedy? >> that policy of charging serious has been the position of the apartment of justice since 1980. in effect, that continued during the last demonstration. the only difference was that in certain drug offenses they weren't charged mandatory minimum sentences unless certain criteria applied. that policy changes going to empower prosecutors. it's going to allow them to use mandatory minimum sentences to combat drug dealers. we think that's important now because we are facing an unprecedented surge in drug abuse. that's reflected in the extraordinary increase in overdose deaths in of americans. eight years ago, we lost about 36,000 americans to drug overdose deaths. mr. estimates are that 60,000 lost their lives. with the attorney general's head is that we need to provide our
prosecutors and police with all the tools that we can to help them combat of that terrible scourge of drug abuse. >> martha: what you say to those who are critical of that and believe it is going to fill our jails with low-level drug offenders, many of whom if they had a lighter sentence could get back to their life and rehabilitate and live a good life? >> the important thing to keep in mind is that minor drug offenders and drug abusers typically are prosecuted locally. by local prosecutors, by state prosecutors. federal cases are normally targeting higher-level drug dealers. if there are drug dealers who are involved in organizations, who think may have information about higher-level dealers, who may be involved in violence, those folks may be targeted by federal prosecutors. but recognize here, we are charging our attorneys to the country to use discretion and target the most significant drug dealers and the people who are cementing violence in our communities. >> martha: speaking of u.s.
attorneys across the country, they were all fired under this administration, and some of been critical saying you are not filling the spots quickly enough. >> we are actually moving very quickly. i believe we are proceeding apace even faster than the last three administrations for which we have statistics. we are going to fill the spots quickly. in the meantime, we do have -- that's almost always the case, when a new admin stretching comes in that most if not all u.s. attorneys leave. we have career prosecutors who step up and serve as acting u.s. attorneys. i put in contact with those acting u.s. attorneys in all 93 districts, and i can assure you that they are doing the right thing. they are moving forward in enforcing the law and following our policies. >> martha: much more for my exclusive interview with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein next. his take on the firing of james call me. and given everything we know now about mueller and comey, does he still thanked robert mueller is the right man for the russia
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>> martha: back now with more from our interview with attorney general rod rosenstein. in part two i asked one of his decision about throwing fuel on the russia investigation, the decision to fire james comey. with regard to the russia investigation, do you stand by your recommendation to fire james comey? >> i've testified several times about this, and yes i do. >> martha: whose idea was originally to fire a former fbi director? >> i've also testified about that, and i will be talking publicly about anything within the scope of the ongoing investigations. >> martha: but in that testimony, you did indicate that you wrote the memo and you believed that the president was on board with that idea when you wrote the memo. correct? >> yes. >> martha: 's he felt compelled to write this memo based on james comey's decision not to prosecute hillary clinton, which if it was the wrong decision. >> i don't think that's a fair
characterization. it was not the decision whether or not to prosecute or to investigate, it addresses the communication of that information to the public. >> martha: how so? >> as explained in the memo and as i've explained publicly, there is a principal in the department of justice that's very important. that is when we are investing in people we do it confidentially. we make a determination, our agents determination whether to pursue paths atomic prosecution, and our federal prosecutors make the ultimate decision. if we decide -- people find out about that information. if we decide not to prosecute, we don't make any disparaging comments about the people we investigate. that's the fundamental character of law enforcement. >> martha: given the characterization of that, given the statement in july, and the investigation that you did personally to come to that conclusion, to see any reason to reopen the investigation into hillary clinton's emails?
>> i will comment on any investigations. >> martha: do a deep dive, that he stepped out-of-bounds in the statement that he made last july? >> i've explained the rationale, the memo wrote, it reflects my rationale. >> martha: just one more on that. do you feel that people deserve to have that investigation reopened, and do you agree with them or sympathize with that point of view and he dug into yourself? because that's a very creative way to pose it, but again i will come back to my answer. i'm not going to be commenting on that. what i've commented on was the publicity surrounding the investigation. i've never commented on the substance of the investigation, and i'm not going to do that now. >> martha: are there any doj resources going to that question or that issue, whether to reopen the investigation? >> i'm not going to comment on that. >> martha: with regard to james comey's decision to leak
his memorandum from his conversation with the president, what was your reaction to that when he said that he leaked that information to the press? >> as i explain pretty slick, i can't comment on anything that may be related to the ongoing investigation. i've nothing to say about that. >> martha: just in general, do you think it would ever be proper for an fbi director to make notes of a conversation in that regard and leak them to the press, would that ever be proper? >> two different issues. as a general proposition, you have to understand the department of justice come over to confidentiality seriously. we have memorandums, but ongoing matters, we have the obligation to keep those cap next. >> martha: i take from that you would not approve of any releasing him memorandum written in an interview or discussion with the president to the press? >> the general proposition i think it's quite clear, what we were taught, as prosecutors and agents. we've an obligation to keep information confidential. i think that's critical for a variety of reasons. we were responsibility for the
people we are investigating, responsibility to conduct those investigations to keep our investigation confidential. >> martha: over to the mueller special counsel investigation which you are overseeing. this is relationship with james comey give you any pause in terms of the appointment -- the decision to appoint him for that post? >> i've explained that i made the decision to appoint directors mueller based on his repetition. he had an excellent reputation, really bipartisan support for his integrity. that's why made that decision. i'm not going to barely comment upon what he may or may not be investigating. but i can assure you that there were conflicts that arose because of him, anybody employed by them, we've a process within the apartment to take care of that. weave ethics experts who review allegations of conflicts, so i'm confident we will reach the right result. >> martha: told us come out and some of the attorneys that he has hired that several of them have made donations to hillary clinton, to the clinton
campaign. does that bother you? does it make you believe that those people have any reason to be questioned in terms of their impartiality in this investigation? >> we judge by results, and so my view about that as we see if they do the right thing. >> martha: have you vetoed any of his choices for any attorneys that are working on this case? >> i've not personally made tonic been involved in decisions about how to be hired. >> martha: you are not doing any oversight about the people he selects to be involved? >> i am not doing micromanagement. spencer have not rejected anyone? >> i've not been involved in the hiring process. >> martha: are they cooperating with the special counsel? >> i'm part of the trump administration, and the special counsel is reporting to me, and the answer to that is certainly yes. we are providing appropriate cooperation to make sure the investigation is done properly. >> martha: in terms of everyone that you've -- that you best things from how they been forthcoming?
>> the point of having a special counsel's to have some degree of independence from the department of justice. so director mueller is not reporting to me about individual decisions made in this investigation. we are following regulation, which provides for general oversight by the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general. but it also provides some degree of insulation because what we want to be able to do is at the end of the day be able to say that we appointed somebody who is independent, who made independent decisions, and therefore we can have confidence in the result of a reach. >> martha: has the president or the white house as for any update on the investigation that mueller is doing? be going out. >> martha: i think that's everything i have. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: there you have it. fox news politics editor, katie pavlich's, and the fox news contribute or, and a former dnc advisor paid could see well just listening to that again, katie, a few takeaways. he clearly feels it is wrong to
release notes from any memorandum that you are taking in the course of any investigation or discussion. he didn't want to attach that directly to james comey, but he said in the broader sense it would be wrong to do that. he also made it clear several times that if they see an indication if there's a conflict of interest with any of these attorneys or with robert moeller and doing their jobs in this investigation, that there is a process to remove them from the investigation appeared what you think? >> i think that he really tried to show that he is independent of the white house, despite being part of the trump administration, and tried to make it very clear to the american people watching your interview that he is not interested in toeing the line. he is interested in making sure that the special counsel has what they need and making sure that the facts laid to a conclusion without bias or impact from outside sources, including people who are in the justice department. he believes the special counsel investigation should be independent. one thing i thought was also interest in, martha, was your last question to them, and that
is has the white house or in when the trump administration and asked for an update on the investigation, and the answer was no. in previous reporting, which kind of seen and heard that the white house had pressured, the president had pressured a number of people to stop the investigation into the russian election meddling, so that again shows he is trying to draw that line of independence between the justice department and the white house. tonic and the special investigation. >> martha: what did you think about the findings, zach? >> i agree. i think the biggest take away is how careful rod rosenstein was to show or at least pay lip service to the fact that they are trying to keep a strong and tall wall between his office and the special counsel. i think that's really important, because the investigation appears to be moving toward members of donald trump's family. donald trump, jr., jared
kushner, and so seen in the past is that donald trump has had an inclination to try to interfere in the selection, and i think the temptation is very strong now that it's moving in this direction. and so rod rosenstein's words tonight are encouraging. >> martha: politically, chris, the deputy attorney general is really on the line here to make sure that this investigation is very fair and straightforward, especially given the past and how we got here to the special counsel. >> he holds in his hands the key to credibility for this a administration on this question. he's the guy. >> martha: chris, and terms of the politics of all of this, obviously there are a lot of people out there who look at robert mueller and his relationship with james comey and the lawyers that his pick and say "this doesn't look good." for president trump. >> those individuals in the administration and around it who saw for a period of time to impeach the character of robert
mueller have mostly stopped doing that, and they stopped doing it because it was a stupid idea. it was a profoundly stupid idea, to take a guy who was -- left princeton, volunteered for the marine corps, won a bronze star in vietnam, and then put together a 35 year public career that is the envy of anyone in law enforcement. he is the highest regarded law man in the united states, and if he was a crook, he would've been a crook by now. there was a brief gambit that was offered by supporters of the president that they were going to try to tear down robert mueller and put them in a character contact stomach contest with the present, and they determine that was a bad idea. and now they've taken the smarter course which is they are going to have to wait and watch and see what mueller concludes. >> martha: how is the white house handling this? >> we saw a couple weeks ago, the president tweeting about robert mueller and essentially calling for special counsel investigation a witch hunt. we haven't seen that in recent weeks, with specific with the investigation. but in terms of the transparency
with the american public, story in russia keeps coming out, we keep seeing more revelations about different things. in the end, as chris said, we are going to see how this concludes. next week we will learn a lot as paul manafort, jared kushner, and don, jr., are going to testify in capital. >> martha: less thought, about ten seconds. >> i agree with everything you're saying. next week is game time for this administration. his son testifying in an open hearing. they have to be very scared right now. >> martha: we will see. thanks and good to see you all. in less than 24 hours o.j. simpson faces a parole board in the largely expected situation that they think will make him a free man come october. next a lineup that will not not see anywhere else on the story. to commend linked very closely to his crime. mark fuhrman and alan dershowitz next.
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>> we were just robbed at gunpoint by o.j. simpson. >> martha: after nine years behind bars, o.j. simpson could be back on the street soon. a free man, perhaps, once again. that name on one collier had led to o.j. simpson's first-ever conviction. here is as bungled las vegas robbery. from her this tape? many have come to think of oj's 33 or max sentence for these crimes as some sort of justice arriving all too late for the deaths of nicole brown and ron goldman. that case, the man, all of it still grabs our attention all these years later. it comes to a head tomorrow when o.j. simpson will face a parole board. mark fuhrman was a key player in oj's 95 murder investigation trial. he joins us now live from nevada's correctional center. that evening. good to have you here this evening. initially, your thoughts on what's going to happen tomorrow.
>> well, i think it's kind of a foregone conclusion that o.j. simpson will be paroled. i think in a legal vacuum, for the crime he committed in nevada, i think that would be a just and to a nine-year sentence of a 33 year possible. it was a bungled robbery, it was not the highest of the century. it was haphazard with people that knew each other, victims knew each other, suspects knew each other. it was more of a business dispute gone sideways because somebody brought a gun, 70 pushed somebody, 70 hit somebody. >> martha: mark, i just want to give you a moment to comment on the fact that you are closely associated with this case. you are one of the key witnesses against o.j. simpson. in the course of that, his legal team sought to ruin your credibility with charges of racism, and then tapes surfaced
that did exactly that where you were heard using the n-word. it was a huge story, of course. this the first time that you are re-associating himself with this case. what do you have to say to those critics? >> you know, the evidence that the attorneys acquired regardless of how they did it, they did not create them. that was my responsibility, regardless of the context. for the moment. it really didn't make any difference if it was a screenplay or not. that actually destroyed credibility in an area that was really irrelevant to the crimes, but it became very relevant to the case. >> martha: indeed it did. mark, i know you are there tonight and you are going to be with us tomorrow night when we get the result of this decision, what you say believe will go in
favor of o.j. simpson. it's gonna be quite something to see him walk out of there when that time comes if indeed it happens. thank you very much for being with us tonight, mark, and we will see you back tomorrow night. joining me now on the chances of this pro, alan dershowitz, professor at harvard law school, in the face and name that we all remember so well closely associated with the dream team. what are your thoughts on this whole thing, alan? >> first while it wasn't a dream team. it was a nightmare team. nobody got along. >> martha: no would know better than you. >> fighting with each other. the most important thing mark said was that "in a legal vacuum he ought to get parole." that's called rule of law. when a person is been acquitted, you can't take that into account in making a decision where the victim come whether to parole him. what mark fuhrman calls the legal vacuum is the legal context with which this decision should be made. look, most americans think o.j. simpson committed a double murder and got away with it because his lawyers helped him
get away with it. that's the 900-pound gorilla that's been in every room, the jury room, the courtroom, and may be in the parole room. so nobody can predict the outcome of this. if there was anybody else, you would know. but with o.j. simpson you don't. >> martha: and he probably wouldn't have done as many years -- >> you normally would get one-tenth of that example. an armed robbery and kidnapping. when 70 pulls a gun and to stay here, but they turned it into an armed robbery and kidnapping, and they normally don't do that. prosecutors don't normally multiply the crimes. >> martha: let's go back to the original trial. what are your thoughts on your role in it? you just heard mark fuhrman speak about what happened to him and his thoughts on his role limits. >> we didn't win, they lost. they made so many bad decisions. the lawyer, put the glove on.
i was 3 feet away from oj when he tried it on, and he said "it's too small." it was the dumbest lawyer's decision of ever seen. under california like could have had them try it on outside the tray, see if it fits, then make the decision. if it fit outside the jury room and it didn't fit in front of the trade, he could've cross-examined him and said "it fit when you tried it on before, you are stretching your hand." he did it foolishly. then with the respective mark fuhrman, it was a mistake to use mark fuhrman as a witness. we knew and they knew we knew, and marsha clark knew, that he had a long history of being accused of racism, and we were going to take advantage of that. they brought the jury to downtown, which would've resulted in nine african-americans on the jury. that was their decision. if it had been in a suburb of california where the crime occurred, it would've been a mostly white jury. they thought they would win with nine black women on the jury. once we saw the trick, of course
race and racial animus becomes relevant. they never should have used mark fuhrman as a witness. he heard the case rather than help them. that was the fact that he may have discovered some -- >> martha: your -- we are looking at the moment when he was found not guilty, nothing any of us will ever forget where they were and who they were with, and the jaw-dropping feeling of hearing that. what was it like for you? >> i had students, both african-american at harvard and white students, and many white jaws dropped. that many of the black students stood up and applauded. this showed racial division in america. i spoke to some african-american students who said we don't care whether he was guilty or innocent, this is payback. we've had so many guilty, so many innocent black people get convicted. this is payback. and white students were saying, this is terrible, oda it really reveal the racial divide that hasn't happened since. >> martha: fastening.
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>> martha: breaking news, "the new york times" has interviewed president trump, and it is explosive. if there between this accurately, he is saying he never would've hired attorney general jeff sessions for that role if he had known that he was going to recuse himself from the russian investigation. that story developing. will bring you more if that in just a moment. in the meantime, new developments in a story that we brought to you early this week involving a former columbia university student falsely accused of rape. back in 2013, mattress girl when everybody is clear to him of any wrongdoing, she began tearing caring mattrs
around, it garnered worldwide attention. got her a ton of that she was on the cover of "new york times" magazine. she says he ruined his name. columbia now agrees with them. in a reverse title ix decision, they have offered him a settlement. joining me now, the attorney representing him, andrew miltenberger is with me now. good heavy with us, enter. we talked about this case many times over the past couple of years. were you shocked by the sediment? >> we were. since we first spoke, you and i come about two and a half years ago about this, it's been very, very hard road for paul, for his family, and through the courts. >> martha: both the university and the police in manhattan found him to be not guilty. blameless in this case. but then the school allowed her to continually drag his name through it and said that he was a rapist.
he was completely isolated on-campus. nobody would talk to them, couldn't take his classes. >> that's true. he went through a period of complete isolation on campus. it was almost a mob injustice if you will that went on. alan was on, he spoke about the 900-pound gorilla in the room, even though paul was found not responsible, the police declined to do anything after an initial investigation, he was completely battered emotionally on campus by a mob of people that believe that he should be punished even though he was found not responsible. >> martha: we both know that this is far from an isolated case. there's a lot of these cases that happen in campuses across the country where there's sort of a little court made up of three professors who decide whether or not somebody is guilty. >> i would give a call to court. it's often not three professors. it's a tribunal. and it's a prosecutorial tribunal. it's a misguided attempt by
university professors, faculty, administration to essentially, in this volatile climate, to prosecute young men. >> martha: i want you to come back, we are out of time, but i want to talk about what this new administration may be doing to change what is happening on campuses. thank you, andrew. we are going to have more from this bombshell interview that president trump adjusted with "the new york times" when we come back. listen up, heart disease.) you too, unnecessary er visits. and hey, unmanaged depression, don't get too comfortable. we're talking to you, cost inefficiencies and data without insights.
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yourself? if you would have recused himself before the job, i would've said thanks jeff, but i'm not going to take you." this is more, and the "the sto" goes on tomorrow. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." by the end of this week donald trump will have been president of the united states for a total of six months. it seems like ten years, that's because from a news perspective there's been about a decade's worth of drama packed into a bewilderingly short period of time. donald trump is dominated virtually every story in america since the day he was inaugurated. almost all of them have been hostile. given that, it is amazing, it's remarkable how many people voted for him in november tell people they still supported. how is that possible?