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its adoption. >> chris: even better than space mountain. i am chris wallace in washington. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right about now. >> martha: the real class of celebrity and brutality that is o.j. simpson. once again, glued to our tvs. he was the story. good evening, i am martha maccallum. from the heisman to the hertz man to the first 911 call. >> can you get someone over here now? he's back. >> okay, what does he look like? >> he's o.j. simpson. i think you know his record. >> what is he doing there? >> chris: >> martha: the brutalr and then the chase.
a verdict that piled up evidence against the man known as the juice. >> we find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder of nicole brown simpson. not guilty of the crime of murder of ron goldman. >> martha: after nine years behind bars for armed robbery, and very similar circumstances, if the new day for oj. >> that will conclude this hearing. >> thank you. >> martha: he will be a free man come october. three men who were deeply involved from the first phone call to the double murder at the house on bundy drive. mark berman, tom lange, yale galanter. but first, a look at the 70-year-old as he and his daughter made a case for
freedom. >> no one really knows how much we have been through. this ordeal in the last nine years. >> i've have never pulled a gun on anybody. i never have in my life. for trying to retreat, it's been ruled legally by the state of california that it was my property and they've given it to me. i was a good guy. i could have been a better kristen and my commitment to change is to be a better kristin. i've basically lived a conflict free life. the commissioner of the softball league. i don't want to lead a criminal life. i'm a pretty straight shooter. >> martha: wow. former l.a.p.d. detective, mark fuhrman. what did you think? >> good evening, martha. we are at the beautiful prison.
when we watched o.j. simpson, i was a little shocked. not that he got parole. i figured he would get parole but i was shocked at the way he actually -- at times, even argued with the parole board about the very issues for why he was there. it was an aggravated assault section of his parole. use of weapons. he argued that he didn't even know there were weapons and convene lately i was talking to the very detectives that filed these cases and he said they not only knew he had weapons, he told them to bring weapons. he said i just went there to get my property. it wasn't his property. the california court didn't say it was his property. they said we sent it all back to the victim in this crime. the shocking part of the scum of the parole board was lied to you but it seemed not to matter. almost like this was a foregone conclusion. o.j. simpson is going to be out october 1st.
>> martha: i think you are right about the foregone conclusion. one of the parole members with asking if he took the class that he promised he would take. he said no. the alcohol counseling? he said no. he did not really show remorse. he gave the old i'm sorry that this happened. but, it wasn't my fault excuse, essentially. it appears they did walk into that room feeling that this was a done deal, mark. >> let's call it what it is. i think the fix was in. they wanted rid of mr. simpson. they were going to parole him. i think that's the reality. everything that he did, i've been to a few parole hearings. i've been in these hearings. when he said about those weapons, the very reason that they are talking about parole? it would have kept him in prison. somehow, he got out. >> martha: if you are on the scene at bundy quickly after the
horrific murders that took place there. what goes through your mind when he said i would never, ever pull a weapon on anybody? >> well, martha, you are seeing a classic sociopath. a narcissist. to be even a psychopath. he is manipulating the crowd. he was doing exactly what he tried to do in the civil trial. in this instance, there was no cross examination where he had an opponent that would actually break down what he was trying to say. that's what got him convicted in the civil trial. not end there was evidence that was never brought forth in the criminal trial. when i watch this and think of what he's saying, i think of one thing, he cut the mother of his children's -- the throat of the mother of his children. all the way to almost cut her head off while they were sleeping upstairs in the
residence. that, to me, it just boggles my mind how a man can actually live with that. >> martha: he also said i've never hurt anybody. i'm not a guy that gets into conflict. i've led a conflict free life. that frightening phone call from nicole brown simpson, saying he's coming back again, you know him. you know his record. how he can stand there and say he's never had any conflict, with that on his record, it's astonishing. >> it is. we heard one call. there were a dozen. there is one where he took a baseball bat and took out the windshield of her mercedes and she was bawling uncontrollably. sitting with her car. i saw simpson when he had that crazy look in his eyes and then when he calmed down. we did about a dozen times and how many times did the police not get called? that's the issue. yes, he is a violent man. i doubt if he will be able to make five years of parole.
>> martha: mark fuhrman, thank you so much. the attorney for the case that he was just granted parole on, yale galanter. your thoughts on what you saw? thanks for being here. what went through your mind as you listen to mr. simpson? >> i thought it was typical o.j. simpson. it was o.j. being o.j. a little remorseful, contrite, apologetic but shifting the blame on others. i thought really the two stars of the show, i was very impressed with arnel's testimony. i don't think i've ever seen a victim in over 35 years step up to the plate the way bruce did and go to that. i agree with mark. i think this was -- before the
parole commissioners got into the room, they had done his point totals. assessed his preliminary record. assessed his danger to the community and he was going to be granted parole unless something totally, totally went south. it clearly didn't. >> martha: the second sound bite we have, let's play that second place for yale. >> i'm not a guy that has conflicts. i don't expect -- when i leave here. i feel i am much better prepared. more so, i think my commitment to being a better christian, i thought it was a good guy. i had some problems with fidelity. >> martha: i just keep going back to that case of nicole simpson. some problems with fidelity and then he laughed...
psychoanalyze, if you can for a moment. i know that's not completely your background but attorneys are pretty good at reading clients. >> it really takes your breath away. if somebody looks in the mirror and doesn't see what the rest of the world sees, it's almost as if o.j. doesn't know she's o.j. with the case in the reports and the analysis, it's just like it goes right over his head. i don't know whether it's narcissism or he's a sociopath where putting your head in the sand or being in sweet denial. o.j. simpson, you see this with his testimony. i was his lawyer, martha, i would have told him three things. be remorseful. be contrite. be apologetic. every other word that should have come up out of his mouth was i'm sorry for what i've done, i take total responsibility. i've had nine years to reflect
on what i've done and i promise you, it will never happen again. that did not happen. >> martha: about 20 seconds left. do you think you can stay out of trouble? he can stay out of trouble? >> everyone talks about him being free. he's not. he's on something called legal restraint. it's almost like a dog on a leash. i don't say that in a bad way but he's going to have a parole officer who is going to tell him what he can do and what he can't do and if he doesn't follow that, he will be back in prison. >> martha: thank you very much, yale. he still ahead, the man president trump has passed to replace. james comey. one step closer to making it official. more on the significance of that, given everything that's going on. and president trump lashing out at jeff sessions and robert mueller. we will tell you how the white house is now reacting to this this evening. plus, who can forget the most
>> i observed one distinct set of blood a shoe prints between both victims. both victims were killed in a similar management manner. slashing and stabbing wounds. both victims had their throats slashed. >> martha: that was tommy laing telling the court room what he saw as the lead detective in the heinous murder scene of nicole brown and ron goldman. a decade old robbery, but 22 years ago, o.j. simpson's defense team took what many saw as a cut and drive murder case and turned it into an an indictment of race relations in america. on trial essentially, the lead detective in o.j.'s murder investigation. he wrote of book about the
infamous case. tom lange, good to have you here. o.j. simpson will be free on october 1st. i'm sure you've moved on with their life but i'm sure there's part of you today that realizes that that moment is about to happen. what you think about it? what goes through your mind? >> martha, this guy belongs in prison for the rest of his natural life. but not for a robbery. frankly, i'm surprised he did nine years. nobody got hurt or shot. he thinks it's his own property. it's just another chapter in this psychopaths sociopath type of individual, in his career. we haven't seen the last of the sky. it will continue as soon as he gets out. >> martha: at what point in this trial, we heard you talking about the evidence and the evidence piled up throughout the
course of this investigation. at what point during the trial did you start to feel that this thing might be turning on us? they are turning it into something more about the credibility of you and your team and whether or not o.j. simpson killed these individuals. >> a little over eight days, as i'm sitting there on the stand, i was being cross-examined by johnny cochran. i looked over to the jury and addressed them from time to time. they were only a few feet away. at he was going on about this nonsense about where i live, what cops do, it went crazy but when i am on direct with marsha, they are just sitting there glaring at me. when i was on the stand, it hit me at that time that i don't think we are going to get there. >> martha: i want to play one sound bite from o.j. simpson today and get your response. >> i would never, ever pull a
weapon on everybody. i always thought i was pretty good with people. i basically have lived a conflict free life. >> martha: what do you think? >> i think we'll need to have a sense of humor over that. his whole life has been conflict. go all the way back to his time at fc, there were complaints against him for abusing a couple of girls back then. although he threw his marriage. his whole life has been conflict. he's in total denial because he's a sociopath. when something negative happens, it's all about them. it's not about me. i don't get involved in those types of things. but yes, you do. he's his own worst enemy. >> martha: gregg jarrett wrote about this today. he covered this case throughout as well. he says the crimes were consistent patterns of conduct for simpson. he resorts to violence and lawlessness. he is a ticking time bomb.
freedom will allow that to be set again. do you think he can go through parole without a hitch? >> it will be interesting to watch. if i were a betting man, i would say no, it's just not in his nature. he's been down for nine years but she will do what he wants. there is narcissism within him. he's not going to let something like parole hold him up. if he wants to get involved in something one way or the other, he's going to do it. i don't think we for the last of this guide. >> martha: tom lange, thank you very much. good to have you with us tonight. a closer look now at what happened to o.j. simpson going forward. i question raised after the parolee himself alluded to his future as a free man earlier today. >> i want to spend as much time with my children and my friends
and i might look in being involved in the media. >> martha: joining me now, he represented one of the memorabilia owners in this case. david, let me start with you. you were directly involved in this case. if you are representing mr. beardsley who has since passed away. your thoughts on the outcome? >> i'm not surprised at all. the way this parole board looked at the whole case with blinders on. the only thing considered was oj's behavior while he was in custody. if they had considered the risk to the public based upon his history and a court of law, based upon his going 13 years before he committed another violent takeover robbery, this man poses as a tremendous risk to the public. there's no way he should have been let out. he was and now the reality is, he's going to go back to
entertainment, reality shows. making a lot of money. i agree with the previous gentlemen. he's not going to last long on the streets. it will be up 1-2 years before he's back behind bars and we will be talking about this again, martha. >> martha: do you agree with that? >> i disagree. i'm not and oj fan but she had nine years of good behavior. he's been a model prisoner. david is wrong and he knows that. they're only supposed to consider the criminal convictions of this man. they did. the one he was found guilty on that he didn't even appeal. they considered that and everyone knows, whether you are a lawyer or not, nine years is a very long time for any type of strong armed robbery that this was. they did the right thing. i am not a o.j. fan but they did the right thing.
>> martha: mark fuhrman just said that he described it inaccurately, o.j. said i didn't even know the security guards would have guns. mark fuhrman said that's not actually accurate. he wanted the security guys to have guns. what's your understanding close to the case? >> both guys came along for additional intimidation effect. when i represented al beardsley, we -- o.j. said he is not going to pay one penny and his little trip to the hotel proved that. he brought the guys with the guns to intimidate the other gentleman and guess what? it's only by the grace of god that two more people or more than that weren't murdered and o.j. would have had another double murder case. the guns were fired fortunately but this man is is an exceptionally dangerous man. the citizens of florida, look
out for yourself. this is not a gentle man that has learned anything. >> he's on parole. he's not just free. he can't go anywhere. >> martha: how long will that parole last? >> good question, martha. if -- o.j., i would expect around ten. they will monitor him and drug test him and if he has any type of violation, almost crossing the street wrong, you will be brought back in court. >> martha: he can't go back to his old life. the people that want to hang out with him tend to be nefarious characters. that's how you get sucked into some difficult situations and it landed him back in jail or in jail for the first time. >> we will be talking about this again. >> don't bet on that, david. >> martha: also delayed, why is the white house cutting off a cia program in the fight against
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recuse yourself. i would have said thanks, jeff, i can't take you. it's extremely unfair and that's a mild word, to the president. >> martha: the president went on to say this about rod rosenstein who we saw here last night in our interview. i said who is your deputy? his deputy he hardly knew. rod rosenstein was from baltimore. there are very few republicans in baltimore, if any. they addressed these comments today. watch. >> i had the honor of serving as attorney general. it's something that goes beyond any thought i would have ever had for myself. we love this job. we love this department. i plan to continue to do so, as long as that's appropriate. >> i'm proud to be here today and i will be proud to work here tomorrow. >> martha: must go to ed henry
on the lawn at the white house. >> one of the reasons why president trump was elected in the first place is because there are millions of voters around the country who believe he delivers a straight talk, pulls no punches. even if that means blistering one of his most loyal lieutenants. that's what we saw here, the president telling "the new york times" -- that paper he likes to call "fake news" and "the failing "new york times"." the president clearly still angry that recusal by sessions paved the way for the special counsel, robert mueller. expanding a probe the president called a witch hunt into potentially the trump family finances. sarah huckabee sanders said the president was just being candid and is disappointed in the attorney general but still has confidence. >> at the president yesterday.
he was disappointed in the attorney general's decision to recuse himself but clearly he has confidence in him or he would not be the attorney general. >> we talked about what happened with jeff sessions but the fate of the special counsel, mr. mueller has expanded his probe into the president's business finances. the president had specifically warned against that saying it would be a violation to be meddling in the 2016 election. he seemed to leave some wiggle room that perhaps mueller would look into finances dealing specifically with russia. the president would not commit to firing mueller. his aide said there are no plans to fire mueller. an interesting caveat out here. >> martha: here with more, fox news contributors -- let's
talk about the politics of this. dave and juan. why "the new york times"? why this interview? what's the strategy on that? >> the president talks to the media all the time. he's done that throughout his entire career. this is something he routinely does. it's one of the reasons he got elected in the first place. he speaks openly and honestly all the time. he's not politically correct. he's not as guarded as a lot of d.c. politicians. one of the reasons that he won the election last november. people felt he spoke the truth and told people what they needed to hear, not what they wanted to hear. the president is doing what he always does. tell people what the truth is in his heart. >> martha: do you think the white house that there was concern about this? were coming out?
>> i would assume that the president and his staff, the staff of the president knew that the interview had gone on. i don't know what concern there was or wasn't. i know that this president is about doing his job and he has shown his frustration because he had a great day yesterday with the health care meeting with the 52 senators. i think she was having a great time and tried to move that legislation forward. at the same time, dealing with this which witch hunt that he s having. >> what i heard today was people talking about the president as someone who is a big believer in loyalty and being faithful to people who brought you to the party. jeff sessions is almost the definition of that in the trump world. the first one to have endorsed donald trump and stayed with him. it almost seems like he was sending a message to jeff sessions, maybe it's time for you to leave, jeff sessions.
he offered his ragged nation earlier and trump did not accept it. his ragged to make resignation. i think that's why people in the white house expressed concern. what david said accurately, the president speaks his mind that in this case, if he was talking about health care, tax reform, people would understand it. he brought up russia and put it back. >> martha: you can hear his stream of consciousness and as he's going through this. if sessions is gone, i've got rosenstein. i'm not sure that's a good option. he's working through all of that as he's talking about it. let's put up at this poll. i thought it was very interesting but will people care about out there in america. what the media is covering. the long blue line at the bottom of that screen is what is being covered. russia at 75%. what do people care about? health care is the biggest of
the issues on that list. jobs is second. at the president could be going right into that wheelhouse and just health care, jobs, hammering those messages up and over again. he brought it back to russia? the president did this time. >> this is why the president is frustrated. you can see it every single day. he tries every single day to do the job for the american people and that is to create jobs, jobs, jobs. >> martha: all you have to do is say to these reporters i'm not going to talk about it. i'm done. i want to talk about health care and jobs. >> he is frustrated. >> martha: there's nothing there and they are all going to see there's nothing there. >> james comey created the need for a special counsel purposefully. that's what frustrates him. james comey in his own testimony said i leaked these memos, a
violation of doj policy, to put pressure on jeff sessions to appoint a special counsel. that infuriated president. he can't get health care through and it can't talk about jobs, jobs or tax reform. >> martha: one more part of this in here, kushner and paul manafort and donald trump, jr., are going to be meeting behind closed doors, juan, it's not going away. the situation. clearly. >> no. it just to pick up on what you guys were talking about the, easy president trump saying i can talk my way out of this. it's on his mind, clearly. the stream of consciousness but i don't think is everyone in somebody like in eliot ness or a y and irving. he don't negotiate. they are the law. when you have paul manafort up there but also kushner behind closed doors, you don't know what you get.
people are going to be potentially pointing fingers at each other in the president's most intimate camp. i think you're going to have more troubles. >> martha: david bossie, i've got to go. and one. good to see you both tonight. coming up next, president trump make the visit to the pentagon and makes a big decision on syria. jack keane on those developments and a phone call we had this evening with senator john mccain. we will talk to him about that coming up. this bizarre story. the disappearance of six teenagers who were here from burundi on a robotics contest. where are these people tonight? . we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on
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nominated wray to lead the agency after firing james comey. wray's nomination now heads to the full senate for the confirmation vote. new development in this strange story out of d.c. two of these six african teens reported missing from an international robotics competition in washington. they are from burundi. the two were spotted crossing into canada this morning. their ultimate destination is unknown to the police. the other four reported missing on tuesday night. they believe no foul play is suspected. there are new tonight that president trump is halting a cia operation that armed syrian rebels against the brutal regime of assad. they are calling it a victory for russia, whose military backed assad. amongst those critics is
john mccain. speaking out since his remarks announcing his cancer diagnosis. making any concessions to russia absent of broader strategy for syria is irresponsible and shortsighted. senator mccain. here now is jack keane. general, good to have you here tonight. we mentioned earlier that hugh had spoken with senator mccain. how is he doing and wanted to talk about? >> first of all, his spirits are very much the same. he doesn't want to talk about his illness. he was talking about this business with the administration moving away from the syrian monitors. they are the only opposition for us fighting for a democracy syria. not the islamic state and
getting back to the senator, i will tell you, he's the most honorable, selfless, courageous politician i've ever met in my lifetime. it's no wonder the american people have such affection for him. regardless of what their politics may be. he's full of life and spirit. he will come back here when his doctors gave him the green light. so you can travel, that's essentially what the issue is. there's no notable effect with anything to do with the illness and the doctors are saying that's not surprising. he will be john mccain me he comes back here for sure. >> martha: we look forward to that. one of the reasons he so respected across the aisle is because he is a person of conviction. he is passionate and has conviction and loves his work in the senate. just explain, why is this such an audit move in your mind and it really does not -- it doesn't send a good signal for an administration try to make it
clear that they are not interested that account tiles in any way to what russia wants. >> the syrian moderates are always been the force that we have aligned with. there's been a covert operation to provide them with lethal aid. the institute of the study of war, we tracked out every day. they have been quite effective against the assad regime forces. the moderate forces in the north, it mystifies me why we would undermine them. morale is going to be impacted by this when we take their weapons away from them. we will make them more vulnerable to the assad regime, al qaeda, who is likely to attack them. he will likely lose some members. they will head over to the more radicalized groups because they think they have a future and the moderates do not. it makes no sense. i agree with others who have said why make this concession?
certainly, if this is round one between president trump and putin and we make a concession like this either before the deal or establishing a de-escalation zone -- this doesn't look too favorable to the united states. >> martha: cia director mike pompeo is speaking in aspen at that conference. he's trying to make this very clear. he said our very aim in syria is to stick it to russia. you feel that this action, that their goals are sticking it to america? you feel this goes against that? >> absolutely. when the russians came in and made their interventions with 2015 with airpower, they said do not attack this syrian moderate forces. they were the first forest they attacked with no consequences. what's happening in syria is
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it didn't take long for conspiracy to be made to times where we have heard that before from the white house press office. >> he does enjoy the full confidence of the president. >> he has confidence in the director. >> martha: not so much after a short time. carl, how does this look for sessions? >> i hope he stays and donald trump ought to hope he stays. can you imagine what would happen if you were to force out the attorney general, the next nominee would face an unbelievably brutal confirmation hearing and if you think it's difficult to get a message out, david bossi said earlier on, on wednesday to have the press be all about the good meeting he had with republican senators. he himself went out and stepped on it by giving the interview to "the new york times." can you imagine what the next six months would like with a battle over the president forcing out jeff sessions or his
deputy rod rosenstein? it would be horrific for the president's agenda and unnecessary. at the same with robert mueller. i'm sorry but he's stuck. you cannot force out a special counsel without having huge political consequences and the president's agenda for the balance of the year and the 2018 midterm election would be out the window if you would follow that. >> martha: eric holder and president obama had a very good relationship and eric holder tried to carry forth the ideas of the president had. they were very much in sync. loretta lynch had a little bit of trouble when it came to the hillary clinton situation and she had to step aside. you look at the history of former presidents, mo, it's important for them to find some common ground together. is it not?
>> the attorney general, because of where things were at the time -- it really didn't have much of a choice. but to recuse himself. right? in some ways, i think he did it in order to give some distance from the white house. >> martha: he had to do it because the department of justice said if you worked on a campaign in that campaigns being investigated, you have no choice but to recuse yourself. correct? >> that's exactly right. >> one correction. it's not the department of justice. it's the law. it's not a rule. it's not a statement made by the justice department. it's backed by the congress. the bush years, i was involved and i had been his consultant when he ran for governor and ana u.s. senator. the statute was clear. he had to recuse himself. same with jeff sessions. a senior advisor.
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