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content. mediwe'll see you back here suny at 11:00 eastern. nevada, geraldo rivera, fox ne news. >> everything is changing around here. technology has torn down barriers and the across the globe, power. from outside the beltway come you get a different perspective? i've seen it up close. from inside government while running campaigns and starting my own business. people are looking for a new brand of change. the place for positive populism is here. the next revolution starts right now.
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>> live from los angeles tonight, the next revolution will be televised. there's a shakeup in the white house, the collapse of healthcare reform and a new populace message from the democrat, what is the point of the republicans in congress? how being a country music fan could cost you. in swamp watch, we expose this sickening corruption in the health industry. >> good evening and welcome to the next revolution. i am steve hilton. this is the home of positive populism. have the republicans in congress blown it? of course they bwn their chance to reap deal and replace obamacare. we saw that last week of the health bill collapsed. they said they will try to vote this week but i say something bigger is going on. we could be seeing the collapse
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of the republican party. that may seem strange when the gop ca controls the white house, but let's look at that more closely. the republicans don't control the white house. president trump was elected as a populace, not a republican. he spoke for working americans and their needs, not the rich. that's why he won. that's why he beat the republicans. republicans don't really control congress. not in any meaningful way. there's no majority there. you've got the moderates, conservatives, the tea party. i worked in politics a long time. i know there's a coalition of many views, but this feels different. technology makes it possible for new movements to be built quickly. donald trump showed that and so did bernie sanders. these prove that working people have had enough of the elite policies of the past 20 years spread those policies made the rich richer but half the country poor. people won't keep supporting political parties that don't get
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it. republicans in congress have failed to learn that lesson. instead of getting behind donald trump's populace agenda, they are pushing the same old ideological agenda that helps the rich more than working americans. democratn the other hand, they look like they have learned their lesson of hillary clinton's defeat. tomorrow, they are unveiling their new platform. it's a populist one. they're talking about taking on the pharmaceutical companies that we have exposed on the show and bringing more competition to rigged markets. i'm sure there are things i won't agree with, raising the minimum wage to $15. hour without doing anything on. taxes would mean fewer jobs, not more, but it does feel like they get it. they get the economic pain in many parts of america. president trump's new communications rector said he gets it too. good. will the republicans in congress get it? if they don't act quickly to
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support the president's populist agenda with tax cuts and in the structure past this year, then donald trump supporters can rightly conclude that the republicans are in fact pointless and that we need a populist revolution, not just to storm the white house, but to take power in congress too. that is my view, but i would love to know what you think. send us your thoughts on twitter, instagram and facebook and we will share your thoughts later in the show. let's bring our panel. we have guy benson and cara davis. it was a big week in washington. the collapse of the health care reform i thought said more than something about healthcare. it spoke to the point about the republican party generally not being able to get anything done because they're out of touch with donald trump's populism.
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where does it go from here. >> there are rumors that the bill is alive in there working to reset it but i think one of the scapegoats we saw in the wake of the collapse of the bill was the president. you have a lot of conservative saying he didn't do enough, he was over the map, and i will concede he made a lot of contradictory statements about what he wanted in healthcare bill, but the idea that this president is responsible for the failure to fulfill a promise that the party has been making for seven years, they had seven years to come up with the unified plan on which to build or coalesce around and pass when they controlled all three branches which they do. >> this is my point, in theory, but actually there's a really big difference between the president's agenda, what he iran on, and what the republicans in congress iran on. >> one of his key points was repeal and replace obamacare. that fortifies my point that he
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has stepped back and said paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, past something and i will sign it. that fund them, not on him. he is waiting with his hand. he was twirling his pen saying i want to sign something. there is no veto waiting with barack obama. let's pass something and so far they've come up short. i want to get beyond healthcare and to the future of this whole movement, this party that's been around and successfully brought these viewpoints together. you've always had social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. it feels like now there is something bigger happening. there is a real split between donald trump's populism and traditional republicanism. where are you on that. >> i agree. i don't think we could have predicted where this was election would lead us. it's been interesting and fun to see the democratic party to fall apart but i did not expect the
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gop to crumble the way it is. you said you believe the gop might be obsolete in the future and that this is cominapart of the party. >> i disagree. >> i think it will get worse before it gets better but i see it as a reforming of the republican party, and i'm interested to see how trump's election, despite the vitriol and conflicts leading up to the election within our own party, in many ways he has wrangled numbers of the congress and brought people over to his side. i don't know if they are morally, but at least publicly they are there that weren't there before. i think this is kind of changing the face of the gop. >> to what? what is the future face? is it the donald trump populism or is it something else. >> i think it's something else. i think it's something beyond. >> that's the point. that's why this president is
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struggling because it something else. >> were not there yet. we could not have predicted trump. it was obama that gave us trump. whoever the next, whatever the next revolution will be, evolution, if you will, we can't see it right now. trump has changed the gain so much. >> interest, i think you're right. i was really interested in what's coming out tomorrow. it feels like the bernie sanders message of economic populism has really been taken on board. if you believe this platform that's going to be announced tomorrow, it felt like a bernie sanders message. >> it's interesting. just to point out again, bernie is not even actually a democrat. he's an independent. it's interesting that bernie's been able to push the democratic party to actually do what it's supposed to do which in my mind
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is to enact and economic populist message. i'm personally in agreement that the democratic party still has a lot of work to do. i'm glad we have pushed them to actually have a platform that's more robust than we've ever seen it before, but the reason i'm working is that we need to do more. electing leaders that are actually going to enact this agenda will be really important. >> to find that a little bit. >> the agenda that is going to be put out, i think their slogan was better wages, better jobs, better healthcare. >> what you didn't see was a attack on the pharmaceuticals or all that language that was very much part of the bernie message but also the trump message. feels to me like the democrats are there but what about this
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anger that was manifested. the republicans in congress don't seem to get it. >> it may be because republicans won. when you win there's a false sense o security. i think both parties are trying to reach this new equilibrium, but one point i uld ma in terms of the out of touch and as of both parties, maybe you can look at the donor classes on each side. you cast your mind back to two years ago and you had people pumping successful, smart people pumping hundreds of millions or tens of millions of dollars into the campaigns of jeb bush and hillary clinton when the country wanted absolutely nothing to do with either of them, but that was like full speed ahead. the republicans took an exit ramp off that with donald trump. >> i got some comments coming in from our audience. here's a couple responses that
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you sent in. the first one is from at lisa. she says steve hilton is correct, the gop is collapsing. donald trump is not a real republican. they say the dems still have no clue. we will see what the reaction as to what they put out tomorrow. i don't know. i think the republicans should be worried. >> i don't think they get it a all. i think they've done what hillary did. i read what they write in with their candidates right and what their spokespeople say, and i know the words on the page might seemed like this is hitting but i really truly do not believe
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they get it yet. >> that's a great point. >> i think it's a publicity at this point. >> i think there's a lot of work to be done and from the side of the left that i'm speaking from is that we need to continue to push the democrats even further to enact that agenda. >> you think the democrats are too nsertive. >> i just saw article recently that they're starting to partner with blue dog democrats who are the fiscally conservative side of the democratic party. >> i think you need economic populist and that's not fiscal conservative. if we can bring people that are authentic working-class people into congress which unfortunately i agree the democratic party has not done yet. we will see in the 2018 midterm election if they're going to do that. >> i think that's maybe where you would agree and are they
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authentic and is this a really sincere understanding of what went wrong with hillary clinton's campaign or is it ju just. [inaudible] >> we will look at the health companies you thought you knew how swampy the big insurance companies are. in tonight swamp watch, we will show you how americans are spending the most but getting the least in return. but next, one of the big factors in donald trump's election is what my next guest called elitist condensation toward america's working class.
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it's great to see you, we appreciate you joining us. i'd love you to define for us what you mean by class cluelessness. >> first of all, this white working class is really the middle class. americans in the past 40 years have gotten to know a lot about the poor and other groups i'm a but the working-class really has fallen from view in a very significant way and people don't know much about them. exactly at that time, middle america was falling behind economically in ways that have made them truly infuriated. that was an annoying situation, and they think that's what we heard in trump's election. >> who is being clueless about this? who are you talking about?
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>> i've been on book tours in both the united states and the uk, and i think the uk understands how to talk about class a lot better than the u.s. i think in the u.s. elites, very broadly, have been pretty clueless. i will give you an example. the american elite earning $200,000 often refers to them as a upper-middle-class. one of the messages is if you're earning $200,000, you are not middle-class. you are about the top 6%. the true middle-class in the united states has an median income of about $75000. year. >> why do you think the experience and the policy needs of the group you're talking about was off the agenda for so long. the data is there, the stories are there, people can see it.
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why were people so clueless. >> the working-class used to be at the center of the democrats vision in the 40s and 50s and starting in the 60s, democrats attention shifted more onto poverty and race and then issues i've worked on my whole life, race and gender. when attention shifted, i think they shifted away from understanding solid hard-working middle-class americans lives and the values that drive that life. the value of discipline that it takes to go to a not so glorious job for 40 years in a row. i think they really began to lose an understanding of what life look like for these people.
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>> to think, i know you been very critical about some of the comments been made by democratic leaders, for example during the election campaign, the deplorable's comment. is that the kind of thing you're talking about in terms of not understanding this experience. >> i think that's a good example and i think another example, and i'm a democrat, full disclosure, but i think the metaphor of the glass ceiling. what is the glass ceiling about? it's about that high status women should be able to get the same jobs as their high status husbands. the middle class actually doesn't care. they don't care about that. what they want are the kinds of jo tt their pares had, not necessarily glorious jobs or even college educated, require college degrees, but they want the kind of jobs that lead to a solid middle-class life.
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a generation ago about 90% of american kids were doing better than their parents by age 30. that has fallen to about 50% now. people see the american dream slipping from their fingers and understandably they're just not happy about it. >> thanks so much for setting that out. with the panel we would talk about some of the potential solutions and what we do about this in our panel will weigh in on your argument. later after that, whether it's obamacare for the gop plan, one thing is for sure, health insurance companies are buried deep in the mark of the washington d.c. swamp. swamp watch takes aim at
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welcome back to the next revolution. you heard our expert guest and her argument about elitist discrimination against working-class america. joan is still with us and i'm going to bring our panel in they just wanted to ask to sort of pick up on one specific point about discrimination that caught my eye when i first read about your work. you made a point about job
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interviews, and you cited a study that actually the kind of cultural reference points that people might put in the resume when applying for a job would potentially affect whether they got that job or not. >> this is a resume study where they give identical resumes, one of them listed things like tennis, golf, classical music, the other listed things like country music and soccer. the elite resume got 12 times the number of callbacks of the non- elite resume so we've heard all about the prove it again of fact. we've heard about it for women and people of color. it also operates by class and many people don't know that. >> is very interesting. it's fascinating.
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>> joan, i read your new york times piece and i think we probably disagree on a number of issues because you're a liberal and i'm a conservative, and that's fine. i did find a few points really interesting in terms of your advice to democrats. one of which was the party needs to stop insulting people. i think that resonates with me because setting aside the policy differences, often times it feels like democratic elites truly load people who don't say share their cultural views and that could be a barrier of entry for people into your party. how do you think democrats can be less nearing towards people who aren't necessarily with them culturally. >> i think this is a broadly shared problem in american eli elite, but i think what people need to understand is that people who are in the middle class you need to go to these jobs and focus on self discipline and the institutions
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that help them maintain that self-discipline, religion, the military, family values whereas my crowd, i'm a san francisco liberal, we focus very much on self development and developing your every skill and being disruptido you know what being disruptive does in a blue-collar job? it gets you fired. that's what i call the class culture gap and that's what i'm seeking to bridge in the united states. i think it has poisoned our politics, whether you're liberal or conservative i think our politics has gone to a place that a lot of us find troubling and i think foolishness is largely to blame. >> i appreciate that joan and people like her and people in the democratic party are deciding hey were gonna take a better look at this cross-section of the country that we haven't paid attention to before and we may be left behind, but it just all feels
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really condescending because it still from a point of view of you are aliens and we don't understand you and it's us that has to get down on the mud and understand why you're okay with being uneducated and then figure out how to trick you into believing what we believe so you will vote for us but we don't really share your values. that's what i see, as a voter and a mom when the democratic party speaks to me. >> i'm not when you disagree with that but i will say a lot of people have that same sense about the republican party and that's what led to donald trump. >> absolutely. >> joan sets out in her book and elsewhere a pretty specific set of policy items and agenda for the democrats to do something about this. how does that fit with how you see things and are you confident what she's talking about can
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actually tie into the bernie sanders agenda that you support. >> can you highlight the points in your book? >> the points in my book is that an economic agenda is really important to give solid lives people who aren't college grads but i think college is really important and we should support anybody who wants to go for it, but on the other hand, two thirds of americans are not college grads. they need a solid economic future. that's basically the core. >> what i'm proposing is a new education to employment system where you get businesses together with community colleges and unions to identify skills that local businesses need that
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workers don't have so that there can be certificate programs offered at modest cost on flexible schedules at community colleges which are much shorter than a four-year college degree, and have another really big difference. there's a job at the end of it. these are people who often do not want to move across the country. what they want is solid steady jobs in the local area. you know and i know that those jobs are going to keep changing all the time. that's the nature of our econo economy. we need this education to employment system to be training these people over and over again when their old job disappears and they now need new skills for a new job. >> i really appreciate your honesty. i think that's one of the biggest issues that we have to face. i can see the panel is itching
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to get in on that. we can't do that right now but we will have time later on. we have to move on. thank you very much for being with us. we really appreciate it. with the health care debate raising on, swamp watch takes on the insurance company. shockingly, they are even worse than you feared.
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>> over the past two weeks of the engine as the republicans failed to agree on a replacement for obamacare, we been focused on what the country should be able to agree on. healthcare cost too much. the reason for that is the corruption in the health swamp. we exposed our pharmaceutical companies who live lobby and fraud and how their leaders
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enrich themselves by squeezing out competition to deliver better patient care. we will look at the health insurance companies and their swamp behavior. they are the target of the swamp watch. >> everyone can see the health insurance that's growing wildly insufficient and hits you with high premiums, deductibles and co-pays for the 2014 survey compared the u.s. healthcare system with those of ten other developed nations and although they have the most expensive health care in the world, we rank lowest in terms of efficiency, fairness and outcomes. at the heart of the problem is the vast bureaucracy. some conservatives still talk fondly about free market and how you would never want socialized medicine. there's only one problem. america has got socialized healthcare.
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not just medicare and medicaid which accounts for nearly half the country but the private insurance companies too. they are facing barely any competition and depending on the government for their income. they're making a killing. the big five, collectively made $4.5 billion in earnings in just the first three months of 2017. how do they do it? they keep making sure the system is rigged. of course the evenhanded in their bribery but they especially like giving to politicians who sit on subcommittees that affect their industry.
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todd young sits on the senate committee for labor and pensio pensions. pat toomey got 190,000 for health insurers. their democratic colleague senator ron wyden got 186,000. he sits on the finance committee on healthcare. with elected officials of both parties accepting large donations, whether we have obamacare or gop, the health insurance companies win either way. their donations, the democrat in charge of the obamacare nomination were particularly good investment. what better way to increase your revenue to and to get the federal government to force consumers to buy your product to the individual mandate. nice work by liz fowler who you
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met a couple weeks ago. as you will recall she went on to become the head of johnson & johnson. marilyn is another example of someone who has passed through the revolving door. she is the current president and ceo of the industry's trade association. before she started advocating, she was the director for the center of medicaid or medicare services or cms. when she had cuts turned into increases in the medicare advantage program directly benefiting the industry, she now represents. before her job, turns out she was an executive at the hospital corporation of america. we profiled him last week and was hit with the largest fraud
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settlement in u.s. history. there are other swa swamp things calling out just behind her. her replacement at the center for medicare and medicaid is yet another citizen of the swamp. he was previously a top executive and a subsidiary of america's biggest health insurance company which received $30 billion in revenue and when he became deputy administrator he made at least $4.8 million in tax-free income from major healthcare companies. how convenient. the acting administrator ruled on business that could affect united health group. bobbing in political donations keeps it going. to his credit, tom garrett has tried to expose this corruption
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talking about why nothing ever happens to clampdown. so why hasn't been done? i can inc. of one sad but reasonable answer. this is a sitting congressman telling you the health insurance industry, not our elected officials are driving policy. one of the reforms they are pushing for would expose the insurance companies to real competition. yes, the government specifically exempts health insurance for most federal antitrust laws. ineffective means markets are restricted and we have government sanctioned health insurance. since business is guaranteed by the government, since the health insurance is part of the government. what you think. here's a comparison. tom price, the health and human
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services secretary makes $207,000. year. the head of humana made $17 million in 2016. steven hensley, ceo of united health made 33 million. the swampy jackpot goes to the head of aetna who made more than $41 million. as of said before, i don't begrudge people high salaries but these people are just ripping us off. they bribed the government to force out competition and force force out competition and force people to buy their product.
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welcome back. now let's get our panels take on the swamp watch. who wants to go first. >> i want to loop this background to what you were talking about earlier. is the democrat party sincere in their populist message? you mentioned pharmaceutical rice control. i say this is why i don't trust this move to the center. these are the same people that made these laws that give us
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these inflated pharmaceutical prices. they shoved obamacare down our throat which inflated insurance and gave insurance companies a monopoly on the market and now they want to say now we need to do something about the price of prescription drugs, but were trusting the very people who made the problem to solve the problem. >> one point i wanted to make. >> i don't disagree with all of them and i'm not going to go to bat for the insurance companies. we can all agree that this is the most expensive health care system in the world. that is true. that's why the democrats passed something called the affordable care act that didn't really work out, but i disagree we get the worst outcomes for superior or inferior outcomes but i don't think that's true. i think were number one and
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innovation in the western world when it comes to cancer survival rates and when you look at an indicator like life expectancy, we hear this a lot, if you normalize those statistics for instant death car accidents and instant death gunshots, those are not reflective on our healthcare system. we are number one in the world for life expectancies. i think in many respects were then be of the world and i agree we need to bring down costs but i get very wary when we call private companies the enemy is the solution that a lot of people come to. >> i agree with that. what i was arguing for is more competition. not less of a role, but more of
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a free market approach. as i said, you've got this restriction that means the health insurance companies, that's why it's so high. >> i do think we have the most expensive health care system in the world, and i think were number 11 in quality of care anything it's over $10000. person in this country. that's three-point to 5 trillion. year we paying cost and trump campaigned on medicare and i thing it will be a metal medicare for all. i think it's a fiscally responsible way to move forward. >> fiscally? i disagree. the numbers disagree with you.
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>> i think it's very disingenuous for you to say th that. i think it will be way better for employers and employees. they should be allowing ford to focus on making car. >> i want to focus on the element that we focused on in swamp watch which is the way these giant companies are involved in the swamp in d.c., the way they are literally bribing the politicians and giving them donations in order to have rules that suit them. truly that's something we can agree that needs changed but it's not on any of the agendas. >> something involves an amendment by ted cruz.
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there was a group of insurers who came out and said it's not going to work, it's a total disaster. the person who runs the organization, speaking of your swamp was marilyn who helped run obamacare who now represents his organization that jumped into bed with obamacare and turned around and said this idea for increased competition, we can make it work, i think we should be suspicious. >> i agree and i think that's the key to this. great discussion. back in a second with more on social media. don't go . . .
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>> welcome back everyone. we asked you to send us your tweets and messages on facebook to let us know what you thought about tonight's show. herere some of your responses. your report just now should be shouted far and wide. i agree. what a racket. we are footing the bill because of congress. vicks writes john williams is right. they need to focus on the acquisition of job skills. i agree with that too. it's great to hear from all of you. i just want to bring in alexander. we were just talking about one of the issues about the democrats and their commitment to working class agenda. you had some suspicion. >> absolutely. i want to bring up there was a bipartisan.
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[inaudible] as we move forward, i think we need to be focusing on hold this holding our congressmen accountable. if they are receiving special interest money or donor money we have to make sure we replace them this election cycle. we had to put in everyday working class people that will fight for these issues. there is a bold new platform that will rebuild the economy and keep going. >> something that struck me about the interview with joan, she was talking about this college for all model being a failure, which i agree with. it really isn't for everyone. as i was sitting here listening to her described herself, it reminded me of a lot of things
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marco rubio was saying. maybe there's room for bipartisan support on the issue. >> i hope so i hope we can have bipartisan consensus which is its terrace birthday. were going to mark the occasion with food on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you foxnews. >> can i blow out the candles? >> you have to go out the candles. i wish for >> monday july 24th. fox news alert. a horrific human smuggling incident in texas. several people found dead in a truck.
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>> it represents and today we saw part of the -- >> new calls to secure the nation's border. >> we are going to vote to repeal an replace obamacare. it's not a question of if, it's a question of when. heather: overnight president trump putting gop on notice vowing that there will be a price to pay if they continue stalling on health care. a live report from washington as the president prepares to take on health care head on. rob: major flop for michael phelps, why viewers felt short out. "fox & friends first" starts right now. ♪ ♪ heather: lots of people
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talking about the show. [laughter] rob: let's talk about that. heather: we will, welcome to "fox & friends first" i'm heather childers. rob: and i'm rob schmit. here comes the health care push. heather: commander in chief warning of major reper cautions if they can't get the job done. good morning, griff. >> good morning, heather and rob, here we go again, the message quite clear from president trump, get it done or else, here is the warning he issued on twitter yesterday saying that, oops, sorry there, hold on one second. if republicans don't repeal and replace


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