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as for kelly to be effective he will need control and the president with lack of messaging has made it difficult at times to effectively shepherd his message. sources tell fox news general kelly will have the control and that's one of the major selling points to get him to come to the white house after several overtures. first day on the job is monday and given explosive and profanity interview by the communications director last week, latest setback on health care, it's a safe bet he will have his hands full. chris: kevin, thanks for that. let's grill down what we can expect. we are joined now by counselor to the president kellyanne conway. kellyanne i i i want to start wa
question that my colleague asked you on friday, all the white house staff will report to new chief of staff general kelly, here is your answer. >> the pecking order question is besides the point, we all receiver the president and the country. chris: respectfully kellyanne, i don't think it is beside the point, an awful lot of people in and out of the white house say the problem is a lack of discipline, there's absence of a chain of command, so i'm going to ask you again, will all of the white house staff report to the new chief of staff? >> i will do whatever the president and our new chief of staff ask me to do and yesterday i was on "fox & friends" and said clearly if we could have protocol, pecking order, order discipline and a chief of staff that empowers to succeed, i know general kelly has done on battlefield and has done to military aide and senate cabinet secretary and we have great
faith that that will be done. many great things happened in the first six months during tenure and i think that reince will go down as one of the most successful and certainly longest serving rnc chairs where as chair it would have been great deal of money and improve digital and grassroots operation that allowed to succeed by getting house, senate and government legislatures, i'm always a protocol in pecking order kind of gal, i'm a differential person. i have never addressed the president even though he was candidate and as close as we are as boss and employee i never addressed him by the first name. i always address people like general kelly and reince priebus and happy to do what i was asked to do as member of his staff but i think so much of the chief of staff role also occurs outside of the building. there's a little too much going on in terms of acting like he's the personnel chief inside the building only.
this is somebody who regularly interfaces with the cabinet and general kelly is coming from the cabinet. he would be talking to his peers about their different concerns, their different appointment of issues and we have active cabinet and often doesn't get coveraged and interfacing with capitol hill where a lot of legislative agenda has stalled. i think the chaos this week really was in capitol hill and the senate why after seven and a half years nobody jumped out of the cake and gave us health care in a silver platter, i don't know. chris: i do want to talk about the disarray inside the white house. you had anthony scaramucci in a profanity attack on another -- other members not just one of the administration, of the white house staff and so i just want to ask you directly, has scaramucci who said that he reports directly to the president, has scaramucci, have you now been told you report to john kelly? >> i will speak with general kelly and the president about
that as i'm sure anthony scaramucci will. we are all very curious and have our first formal meeting with chief of staff tomorrow. i've had a brief conversation with him and again, being able to solve the problems of this nation and doing it in an orderly and rapid fashion is really why we were sent to washington, it's why the two people who were elected donald trump and mike pence and no one else are there. so to the extent that we can do more and do it more quickly in the disruptive fashion which we are accustomed to with donald j. trump, having the tools in place, i talked to reince this weekend, everybody is on the same team in terms of we are on the side of freedom and democracy, repealing and replacing obamacare, lowering taxes, putting isis in retreat, you know, there's just so much that's happening and i got to
say, the swamp includes many people, many institutions, individuals and i think calcified. they were not expecting donald trump to make good on campaign promise on getting the 20 million plus american who is have no health care coverage the release they need, 6 and a half million who were willing to fork over money, $3 billion to the irs rather than get simple obamacare coverage -- chris: kellyanne, you have to allow me to ask some questions here. i want to ask you about one more question on the administration and then we will move onto health care. this week the president continued to attack his attorney general jeff sessions and when he was asked whether or not he's going to keep sessions in his job or fire him, here was his answer. >> i'm very disappointed with the attorney general but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell.
chris: does the president want sessions to continue as attorney general or as suggesting considering moving over to replace general kelly as secretary of homeland security? >> again, that's a personnel question that only the president can answer. so just on friday you had thursday and friday you had attorney general sessions in el salvador and you hat president trump in long island both working toward the same goal which is to stop the viled groups, ms13 gang who is are murdering innocent americans and bringing drugs and violence into our community. chris: i understand that. does that mean -- >> well, he's working. chris: i understand he's working. the question is he considering moving over if the immigration part of this is so important to be the secretary of homeland security? >> i won't comment on that but i will tell you that the president has expressed frustration about the recusal so much has flowed from that recusal and so much of
president trump's agenda flows from department of justice. many of the primary issues he won successfully on go to homeland security. look what happens with the ridiculous russian collusion. journalists tv sets and screening graphics an breathless coverage shrinking away this week, chris, from russian collusion coverage, why? because you have everybody from jared kushner giving his meeting with the house and the senate and giving his public statement, you have no there there whatsoever. we were promised the next watergate, we don't even have a watermelon. it's so ridiculous. the senate witnessed who said everybody should go look over there at what's happened, somebody being paid by the russians to compile a damaging
dossier on donald trump again filled with lies, you know how much time has been wasted away from the victims of obamacare. chris: okay, let's not waste any more time. kellyanne, let's talk about russia. the president put a tweet today and i want to put it on the screen. don't give up republican senators, the world is watching, repeal and replace and go to 51 votes "nuclear option". get cross-state lines and more. is that the president's plan, stay on repeal and replace, change the senate rules, end the legislative filibuster so that you can pass a fuller repeal and replace including selling insurance across state lines? >> the president will not accept those who said it's, quote, time to move on. he wants to help the millions of americans who have suffered with no coverage. they were lied to by the last president, they couldn't keep their doctor and couldn't keep their plans. we met with the obamacare victims several times now, they are real people. they are suffering and when he talks about the 51 votes the
president is basically making the case that so many of the components of real health care reform, chris, requires 60 votes, the drug pricing, the selling of insurance across state lines, the associated health plans that allow those who don't get their health insurance through employers like you and i do through government benefits who have been left out because the premiums are too high. premiums have doubled. chris: let's talk about -- kellyanne -- >> he will stick with it. chris: okay, we should point out that both republicans an democrats say there's no chance they are going to change the senate rules, here is what the president says his plan is. >> i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode and then do it. i turned out to be right, let obamacare to implode. chris: does he intend to cut off
cost-sharing reduction which lower the out-of-pocket expenses for people, lower-income people, what about, you talk about real people, what about the millions of people while obamacare is imploding that are going to lose health care coverage? >> so, chris, i saw the comment from mr. schumer, senator schumer about this, what is their plan to help ucsr payments are being made and we've already got an opinion by one court because you have members of congress who say that under obamacare. this money was never authorized through the congress and so they would like an opportunity to do that which is, of course, the normal course of business -- >> chris: is the president going to cut off the csr payments, the outof pocket payments? he can do it starting next month, this week. >> yes, he can. he can -- he's going to make the decision this week and that's the decision that only he can make, but let's go back to what we are really talking about here. when he said yesterday in the same tweet, i believe, about the bailout to insurance companies,
bailouts to members of congress. he's talking about csr payments and he's talking about really sweet deal that members of congress and their staffers have where they are not holding to the same health care that so many americans say it's unaffordable and unsustainable and this is exactly what so many americans hate about washington, d.c. they feel like they have their nose pressed up against the glass peering into the special interest, the swamp, the lobbyists, the folks on capitol hill. they want people to live under the same rules they do and frankly if people have the same rules on capitol hill maybe they would have a stronger taste of what it feels like to be uninsured. chris: kellyanne. >> paying premiums and paying grocery bill. chris: kellyanne, we are -- all right. we would love to continue, we have got to move on. thank you so much, thank you for your time, always good to talk with you.
>> thank you, chris. chris: when we come back we will discuss the trump white house and we will try to answer the question, what are democrats willing to give to get a compromise in obamacare? house democratic leader nancy pelosi joins us next only on fox news taking the ancestry dna test is really quite simple. it comes in the mail, you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you're not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results. it's that simple.
♪ chris: it's now back to the drawing board for health care reform after the republican plan to repeal and replace imploded on the senate floor. is the solution to obamacare bipartisan compromise? joining me now is house democratic leader nancy pelosi. leader pelosi, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good morning. my pleasure to be here. chris: thank you.
how much trouble is this president in, and do you think that putting general kelly in there is going to make a difference? >> well, let me take the second part. i hope so. i look forward to working with general kelly. i've worked with him as, well, secretary kelly at the department of homeland security. so i will be speaking with him today and look forward to working together. it's a very important position. finish -- chief of staff to the president of the united states. and it has to be recognized that he is the chief of staff. chris: i was going to ask you about that. you've been in washington, you've seen a lot of white houses, the way they operate. does this white house need more discipline? >> well, the -- i can just say from be my experience working with the bush i white house, andy card had a great rapport. everybody knew he was the chief of staff, and he had -- and that was recognized on capitol hill, that he really was the chief of staff. and josh bolton, highly respected, we all worked closely with him.
with our differences, but nonetheless, respectful of getting results. chris: with the defeat of repeal and replace this week in the senate, do you think that the republican effort to kill obamacare is dead? >> well, the american people have spoken. i think that what you saw was just an outpouring of stories of how the affordable care act affected their lives. so where do we go from here -- chris: but let me just say, you say the american people have spoken. they put republicans in charge of the house, republicans in charge of the senate, republican in the white house all running on repeal and replace. you could argue that they spoke and washington didn't listen. >> well, they -- no, i'm talking about since the election, they had seen what the replace might be, and they had rejected that overwhelmingly. people see what it means in their lives. i think it's really important for us to recognize the facts here, that what the republicans were putting forth put 17, 20,
22 or 23 million people off the rolls, diminished the benefits, increased the cost, had an age tax, undermained medicare -- undermined medicare and really was not a good proposal. i think that there is -- and senator mcconnell's, one of his bills that he had, the repeal and replace, he had a provision haha we can all embrace, and it was a provision to cover the cost-sharing that is in, cost-sharing reduction. it extends the reinsurances which is very important. it has short-term stability, long-term stability, and i fully support that and hope that he would advance that. chris: all right. let's -- because this gets in the weeds, and i don't want to get too technical here for folks. you sent a letter to republican congressional leaders on friday in which you said i want to extend my hand, bipartisan compromise. one of the things you want, and i talked to kellyanne conway
about it, is what are called cost-sharing reduction payments. these are payments to insurance companies that lower the out-of-pocket costs to things like deductibles and co-pays for lower income people who are on the exchanges. >> and -- [inaudible] chris: president trump tweeted this yesterday. if a new health care bill is not approved quickly, bailouts for insurance companies -- he's talking about the csrs -- and bailouts for members of congress will end very soon. here's my question, leader pelosi. to keep those csr payments, what are you as democrats willing to give? to get a real compromise -- >> no, let's go, let's back up on this. the affordable care act is a market-oriented proposal. doing the cost-sharing reductions are a way to have it be in the free market, in the marketplace as opposed to having everyone say, have many more
people on medicaid or something. so there's governors of states have said give me the money, i'll buy insurance for these people. so this is not bailing out insurance companies, this is about having stability in the private sector in order to -- chris: but with a huge government subsidy. here's my point -- >> but it's not -- chris: here's my point. republicans -- come propoise means both sides give, not one side gives and the other side takes. republicans want to cut back on obamacare's mandates, on obamacare's taxes, on some of obamacare's regulations. what are you willing to give? what are you willing the agree to as part of that that would allow a true bipartisan compromise? >> well, here's the thing. first of all, you will remember that the affordable care act, as we passed it and as we call it, the affordable care act is something that was very modeled after romneycare. and that said no free riders. everyone has to have insurance
so that if your neighbor's not buying insurance and you are, you're paying more because he or she is not. so this is about enlarging the pool, making it healthier, younger and having more benefits -- chris: i understand the reason -- >> no, no, i understand that -- chris: it doesn't understand you're willing the give anything. >> it's not a question of that. in other words, you have to have a big pool x in order to do that, you have to have employer and the -- chris: but how about, for instance, you talk about a free market. instead of mandating that people have it, what the republicans were saying, forgive me, was if you don't have it and now you want to buy insurance, you've got to wait for a while, or you're got to pay a premium to get it. in other words, instead of saying i'm the government, you have to buy insurance, why not say there's going to be a penalty if you don't buy it? >> well, here's the thing, when the president went into office, there really was an opportunity to say you have -- you don't like this, how would you do this? but instead they said we're repealing the whole thing, 22 million people off, costs will
go up, benefits will go down. that's not a way to go down a path. so what i say in the letter is as a first step, let us accept what senator mcconnell has in his bill. let us accept that and talk about -- chris: but you wanted other changes. >> and then let's talk about what other changes there are. but you cannot say that we're going to -- i do believe, as i saw one of y right, not a privilege. and the more people who are involved in it, the lower the costs are for everyone. there's some things we can do right away, lower the cost of prescription drugs. very -- something i think would have bipartisan -- chris: okay. i want to move to another subject. the democratic leader in the senate, chuck schumer, said something interesting the other day, and i want to ask you about it. we're going to put it on the screen. when you lose to somebody who has 40% popularity, you don't blame other things -- comey, russia -- you blame yourself. so what did we do wrong? people didn't know what we stood
for, just that we were against trump and still believe that. we're going to get the your new agenda in a minute, but i want to ask you the specific question do you agree with senator schumer that russia and comey were not what beat hillary clinton? >> well, i think that that had an influence. there's absolutely no question about that. but when you have a campaign, you're responsible for your campaign. i don't even want to go into that. i do want to go into our better deal -- chris: okay, let me ask you, i'm going to ask you about it. democrats put out a new agenda this week called a better deal. let's put some of it up on the screen. you call for higher wages, lower prescription drug costs, job training, infrastructure. leader pelosi, i'm not saying anything, any of that is wrong -- >> right. chris: -- what i am saying is none of it is new. we've been hearing it for years. we heard it from the democrats and hillary clinton in 2016, and you lost. >> no, but -- well, we're going to hear it with more lairty.
for the first time since 2006, the house, the congressional democrats are in charge of a message. in '06 we were in charge, we won. we had a democratic president after that in '08 and that time a very successful presidency. now it is our turn to win the congress for the american people. but elections are more about -- than about winning the election. they're about having a discussion about how we go -- chris: but they're all about winning the election, that's what -- >> no, no, it's about winning on the issues. in other words, if the american people can hold all of us, democratses and republicans, accountable for what is in their interest instead of a trickle-down agenda that really benefits the high end another the the ex-- at the expense of working families. that's why it's entrepreneurial and thinking, it's fresh in terms of what it suggests. chris: let me ask you this, there were four special house elections this spring in which there were republican seats that were open because they took jobs in the trump administration -- >> [inaudible]
chris: let me finish, and you lost all four of them. >> right. chris: some of your own democratic colleagues in the house say part of the problem is that you and your leadership team are, frankly, too old. and the question i have is does, do democrats need new leaders with new ideas? >> well, let me just say this, self-promotion is a terrible thing, but somebody's got to do it. chris: exactly. [laughter] i agree with you on that. >> in the situation we are in, i am a master legislator, i know the motivation of people, i respect the people who are in congress. i think this is a great moment for those of us who understand what is at stake with the affordable care act, what our possibilities are in terms of working together with the republicans as has been our experience in the past. so i'm, i feel very confident about the support i have in my caucus -- chris: let me just -- >> i have never not been opposed within my caucus, and it had nothing to do with -- suppose
you became president and you were a democrat and you appointed your cabinet, one from san francisco, one from berkeley, one from brooklyn, one from santa monica. do you think that the republicans could have ever won those seats? these seats were not seats -- chris: okay. i've got 30 seconds, and the question is what are the chances democrats win back the house in 2018, and if so, will you run for speaker? >> it's so unimportant. what is important is that we have the lively debate on a better deal, better pay, better jobs and a better future. and that's what we look forward to having. and we have unity in our party. you saw it with the fight on the affordable care act in the house and in the senate. chris: right. >> we're very proud of the fact that our party has diverse thinking in it. we can accommodate that. chris: leader pelosi, thank you. thanks for coming in. please come back. >> thank you. my pleasure, chris. nice to be with you. and thank you for being a
♪ chris: a look outside the beltway at the statehouse in columbus, ohio. at the end of a rough week here in washington, we want to find out how things look some distance from the nation's capital. joining me now, ohio's republican governor, john kasich. governor, let's start with president trump. when you look at the events of just recent days, the public humiliation of jeff sessions, the shocking interview by anthony scaramucci, the open this-fighting in the white house -- in-fighting in the white house, sit willing will in columbus, ohio, what do you think? >> well, i'm worried about our country, obviously, chris. and here's the thing, you know, the white house is an amazing institution. it has great power.
but when i think about the people who have been able to lend voice to amplify that power, you know, i think about fdr, nothing to fear but fear itself, i think about jfk, you know, it's not what you -- what your country can do for you, what do do you do for your coun, or ronald reagan, you know, a shining city on a hill. what we need -- and i think perhaps the president can get there, i sure hope so -- is sort of the sense of unity, of hopefulness. not of division, but of lifting. and i think we're not seeing enough, we're not seeing that right now. and so you take the powerful institution of the white house, you combine it with the voice that is power and uplifting, and that's what people loved about roosevelt. that's what they loved about kennedy. it's what they loved about ronald reagan. and that's what we need. that needs to be thought about. chris: and other than just belief and optimism about this country, what makes you think that we're going to get that from this white house?
>> because i'm basically a glass half full guy, ask, you know, we've had six months, but, you know, we've got a long way to go. i just hope we're going to get it. and i would also tell you, chris, it's also congress. if we're not going to get this direction out of the white house, then we need to get it out of the congress. and in congress we need people to get along. and, you know, i listen to the leaders talk, and i don't actually think the answer is with the leaders in the congress, i think the answer is with the rank and file, people who know that city is now dysfunctional. and furthermore, we need to realize it's not just the political leaders that are showing dysfunction, it's the people in the country, the partisans who demand certain things as john mccain said in a very bombastic way, and that's not america. america is give and take. america is compromise without giving up your principles. that's what our country is, chris, finding solutions to difficult problems not by tearing each other down, but figuring out how we can get along. and i've been involved in so many of those things.
let me tell you, at the end of my term in congress i was having a conversation with pat schroeder, the former colorado woman who tried to run for president, kind of a polarizing figure in a way. she was a friend of mine. and i had these republicans saying what are you talking to her fur? i said, what do you mean? i read them the riot act. you don't have to agree with somebody to respect them, to see if there are areas where you can get along, where you can work together. that's all kind of gone. and i blame a lot of it on the leadership. and they allowed these people who are this their rank and file to become partisans too. we don't make it as a country when we spend our time fighting all the time and denigrating people we don't agree with. chris: so how do you explain -- and we should point out you're now the governor in your to second term in ohio, but you spent 18 years here in washington as a member of congress -- how do you explain the gop's failure after seven years of promising to repeal obamacare but also to come up with a replacement, how do you explain the collapse of the bill in the senate this week?
>> you know, chris, i've -- i'm going to say i actually think it's a good thing for this reason: because i think republicans looked over the cliff, and i think they saw that there were going to be a lot of people who were going to be hurt, particularly people who don't have much of a voice, who the machine and the system grinds down, and they pulled back. i don't think that this is done. i don't think it ought to be done. i understand there will be hearings in the u.s. senate on what we can do about the exchanges. i mean, so to a degree, i'm glad that they didn't fulfill this pledge right now, but they have to work on it. and this is where they should call the democrats in, and they should demand democrat participation. and, remember, republicans are in the majority. they get to call the tune. but when they call the tune, they've got to have a few democrats singing in the choir. just that simple. so i don't think we're done with it yet, we can't with done with it yet. and we can't be done going after the problem of entitlements
which is going to, or you know, kill our economy in this country. address the issues of the division between rich and poor. you've got to to work together. i did it when i was there, even when we went through a government shutdown. we balanced the federal budget by working together and understanding one another and caring about one another even when we disagreed. chris: let me ask you about that, there's a lot to unpack there. you say let's work together. we just had nancy pelosi on, when i asked her what are you willing to give on taxes, on regulation, on mandates, she said nothing. >> well, look, my friend tom car per from delaware is willing to -- chris: he's a democratic senator. >> yeah. and john hickenlooper, the governor of colorado. he and i are working together with ten other -- nine other governors. look, you don't do this in front of a national television audience. you sit in a room, you sit together, you talk about each other's kids, you go out, you have a little dinner and you start saying what is the area of common agreement.
in '97 bill clinton and the republicans had a feud and a war that led into a government shutdown. you know what happened? the democrats in the white house came to see me and senator domenici, and we had private conversations,ing and we opened up a dialogue, a discussion. we balanced the federal budget and no one was left behind. you don't do this in front of the tv camera. but again, chris, this is one of the things, everything's not on the leaders. forget the leaders. why don't we get the rank and file members who were there, hopefully, to serve the country and not their party or some ideology. stick to your principles but figure out how to give and stop asking the leaders for permission. you're not in the fifth grade where you've got to ask the teacher if you can use the bathroom. go out and talk to people on the other side. here's the other thing, chris, have some guts! all these politicians run around worried about, well, you know, i'm going to get kill by the tea party, or i'm going to get
slaughtered by the left. who are you serving? we've got to stop listening to all the yelling and screaming. those are the people who should be least listened to. chris: all right. >> and get to the middle of our country. chris: all right. finally, because we're running out of time, i'm going to pursue a line of questioning that my guess is you're going to hate. [laughter] but here we go. and that is that you didn't endorse donald trump, you say you didn't vote for him, you wrote in john mccain instead. would you consider running against donald trump in the 2020 primaries? >> no, i don't think about that, chris. frankly, you don't -- you've got a republican president. we don't know what the future's going to hold. and i don't do these things because i'm worried about my political future. let me tell you, if i said i was even thinking about it, i couldn't go home tonight. my wife would lock the doors on me. look, here's the most important thing for me: i've got to serve the country or, i've got to be honest inside. i cannot have, you know, just media appearances so i can be on television.
i've got to be a good guy. i've got to be a man of faith, and i've got to -- you know? i don't know what the future's going to bring, but i'm not preparing anything along those lines. but i want my voice to be out there because i think my voice and the voice of my colleagues made a difference in this health care debate. chris: governor kasich, thank you, thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. always good to talk to you, sir. >> come to columbus, chris. we need to spend a lot of time talking about all of this. we can heal this country. thank you. chris: that's a deal. up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss where things stand for president trump at the end of another wild week. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the state of the trump white house? just go to facebook or twitter just go to facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday, an
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>> i think it could be one of the most important personnel changes president trump has made assuming he's willing to accept the discipline and a stronger chain of command. chris: that's former defense secretary leon panetta talking about the new white house chief of staff, general john kelly, who was panetta's senior military adviser in the pentagon. and it's time now for our sunday group, brit hume, former democratic congresswoman jane harman, director of the woodrow wilson center and gop vat gist carl -- strategist karl rove. how much trouble is this president? >> well, he's in a lot of trouble this week, it was the most tumultuous week of a tumultuous presidency, and kelly faces four challenges. first of all, the decision-making process inside the white house is broken. it is not to disciplined, it's not focused, it's not deliberative.
and he was one of the first victims of it when he raised objections which were not taken into account with the first travel ban. he's got this issue of access. this president's not going to end the practice of allowing people to flow in and out of the white house. most presidents allow that. the question is, is kelly going to be able to stop people from using their access to the oval office to end run the policy process, to cause things to happen that have not gone through the normal ranks? he's going to have to deal with a couple of staff members who can't be fired, son-in-law and daughter, and maybe a couple of other protected people inside the white house, scaramucci, for example. and finally, he's going to have to reduce the drama and reduce both the sniping within and and reduce the leaks and bring some discipline to the relationships between this white house which is at war with itself. i've never seen anything like it in my life of a white house so eager to leak on itself. chris: congresswoman harmon, you have worked with general kelly on several projects. ing i don't think anybody questions his competence and his
qualifications, but -- and his command. but does he know enough about politics? does he know enough about domestic policy; tax reform, health care, to be an effective chief of staff? >> i think he knows enough to be an effective chief of staff if this president inform -- president in tweet allows him the use the process to solve our problems. first answer is north korea launched an icbm yesterday capable of hitting the continental u.s. might not happen, warhead might be too heavy, reentry might be a problem, but this is a real problem. and if he can focus this white house and this president at a careful answer to the north korean problem, that'll be the first test. second point is congress proves itself capable, not incapable last week. no one talks about the fact that the sanctions package against three countries passed overwhelmingly -- chris: russia, north korea and iran -- >> yeah, veto-proof. and trump is about to or did sign it yesterday. and the point of that is, that
was a good piece of legislation. all three countries are screaming about it which means that congress and the president acting together sends a tough message. that's a challenge, it's also an opportunity. congress can authorize the use of military force in the middle east and around the world in ways it hasn't acted in 16 years. so i think kelly is well equipped to deal with those two things, and that would be a phenomenal start. chris: we asked you for questions for the panel x on this issue of the state of the trump white house, people seem to be getting fed up. take a look. nick tweeted this: is there a plan other than shock and awesome reasonable americans want -- awe? this reality tv nonsense has got to stop to. and we got this on facebook from charlotte: how can this white house possibly recover respect after this week sessions, scaramucci, boy scouts, priebus and other histrionics? brit, how to you answer? >> the first thing i'd say is
reince priebus is not the one to blame for such behavior. this all comes down to the president and his behavior and his way of doing things and the casual way that he ran his business in new york where he really kept a very loose schedule, and people came and went, and he picked up the phone and and call different people at different times depending on what he was focused on at the moment. white houses can't operate that way. the staff structure that exists in the white house traditionally -- which was developed over many years and many administrations -- is there, is that way for a reason. and the question really is not whether john kelly has the ability to be an effective chief of staff. i think he manifestly does. the question is whether donald trump will permit that, whether he will allow that, whether when somebody wanders into the oval office the first words out of his mouth will be does kelly know you're here? when they have a day planned with events and so forth and a policy strategy and sir tweets a lot blows it all up in the middle of the night with some
rant on twitter. what happens then? does general kenly have some say over that? those are the unanswered questions, and i think we'll know the answers pretty soon. chris: wouldn't you assume that he would have gotten some, at least, assurances -- >> of course. chris: supposedly, he was asked about as far back as may -- >> yes. chris: -- and he resisted taking the job. >> i suspect he does have verbal commitments to that effect. the question is, will the president stick to them? not will kelly, will the president? it's all about the president. chris: senator john mccain, after his diagnosis of brain cancer, came back to washington very dramatically. here he was calling for his colleagues in the senate to go in a different direction. >> i hope we can genre lie on humility, on our need to cooperate, on our dependence on each other to learn how to trust each other again, and by so doing better, serve the people who elected us. stop listening to the bombastic, loud mouths on the radio and television and the internet! to hell with them!
[applause] chris: moe, it was a powerful moment, but what are the chances that it will actually happen in both parties? >> yeah, as one of those bombastic loud mouths on television -- chris: no, you're not. >> -- you know, he's right. but what are the chances? i'm not optimistic right nowment i think -- right now. i think that there are too many factors at play that i hope we can get past, but everything from a white house that seems determined to blow up every institution it can from the judiciary to the media to its own party to congress to congressional representation that is too driven -- on both sides, on both sides of the aisle -- that is too driven by the way district lines are drawn now. and the importance of the base more each side. it is incredibly difficult the see a path right now out of the
entrenched silos that both sides are living in. john mccain leaving the senate is going to be a huge loss for that institution because of the fact that he seems to be one of those people -- and there are still some on both sides that are willing to try the get, pass some of these -- past some of these fissures, but they're dwindling in numbers. and until we start getting more people who will look that way, we're going to be in trouble. chris: carl, we've got a couple of minutes left, that's all. you travel the country, you talk to a lot of republicans. i'm not talking about politics, i'm talking about businessmen, community leaders. when you talk to them, how do they feel about a what they see -- and i'm not just talking about trump, the congress, democrats, republicans -- how do they feel about what they see going on here? >> among people who are active in politics, party leaders, business leaders, community leaders, i hear an increasing scratch their head why can't this thing get done?
why can't the republicans govern? why can't the president lead? why do we have to put up with this drama? more damaging, ordinary americans say, you know what? it's too much. i'm turning off, i'm tuning out. and the problem for the president when ordinary people start to say, you know what? i've had enough of all of this, is he's going to be stuck where he's stuck at that moment. and what i'm afraid of is he's had a honeymoon. a ragged, rugged not normal honeymoon, he's not seized the opportunities given to him on it, and i think a lot of people are starting to say, you know what? i'm done. i've had it. he's had plenty of time to demonstrate whether or not he's got an ability to the get it done. now, maybe general kelly will get it done, maybe general kelly will help turn it around, but i think brit was absolutely right. this depends upon the willingness of the president to change his behavior. chris: thank you, panel. up next, our power player of the week. from navy seal to the governor's mansion in show-me state. ♪ ♪ think your heartburn pill works fast? take the zantac it challenge! zantac works in as little as 30 minutes.
the path to public office. back in 2000 he was a rhodes scholar. who also worked with humanitarian groups. and war-torn countries like bosnia and rwanda. one day at oxford he looked at a memorial for scholars who died in the two world wars. >> if they hadn't made the decision, i would not be standing here. i realized at that moment i wanted to do my part. >> he did for torres as a navy seal. serving in both iraq and afghanistan. >> you know that in every moment there is a material left and settle into your right. they're counting on you. i can stay strong for them for 10 more seconds. i can fight for them one more minute. if i can make it one more minute than i can make it 10 more minutes. >> when he returned to missouri started a nonprofit called the mission continues. to help veterans with disabilities recover by serving others.
>> continued omission of service in communities and start their own businesses and get quality private sector jobs and live as contributing citizens again here at home. >> the ferguson riots in 2014 where the turning point. that led him into politics. >> ferguson was a tremendous failure. if we had a leader that had shown up with any kind of command presence and courage and calm and clarity, we could have had piece by the second night. >> frightens ran as an outsider but he was not subtle about it. >> i know career politician. i am a navy seal in i will take dead aim at politics as usual. >> as governor he has kept aim at the same target. >> you talk about ethics reform before issues. why? >> because we have to have people who trust their leaders. people want leaders that they can have confidence in.
>> 'sfirst act was to ban gifts of lobbyists to the executive branch. but he is also signed a right to work law to boost missouri's economy.and on public safety he is worked out with local police and gone to poor neighborhoods to hand out sandwiches. >> we had to go to the frontline and many politicians failed to do that. >> ben has their first event in the governor's residence they were told it is usually a cocktail party for political insiders. instead, they invited three foster families for dinner. as a symbol of the 13,000 kids in state foster care. >> as governor we can make a difference in those kids lives. as governor we can keep our promises to the people of missouri and make their lives better.get results for them. that is what is so satisfying. >> and governor has been busy since inciting legislation to