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>> eric: i am eric bolling with eboni k. williams and kat timpf. mrs. "the fox news specialists"" some very big news out of the white house, anthony scaramucci scaramucci -- sarah huckabee sanders addressed it at the white house briefing a short time ago. >> was scaramucci fired by the president or asked to resign? >> i'm not going to get into anything beyond what i've already said. >> eric: scaramucci held the title for ten days. white house put out a statement saying they wished "scaramucci
all the best." we are joined by john roberts. what's the latest? >> we did plumb the depths a little bit, a more aggressive trying than it normally does to get something out of sarah huckabee sanders. but we did. looks like the reasons for scaramucci's departure were twofold. he was outside the chain of command the way john kelly saud. he had a direct line to the president and he had made it very clear when he is hired by the president a week ago last friday that one of the things he'd asked for and received in the job was to not report to the chief of staff but directly to the president. john kelly said if i'm going to be the chief of staff, everybody reports to me. that means everybody. sarah huckabee sanders confirmed that everybody at the white house, including ivanka trump and jared kushner report to the chief of staff.
steve bannon as well. the communications director reports to general kelly. that was one problem scaramucci had. he was outside that chain of command. the other problem was the interview he gave to lizza, thought the conversation was off the record, including some colorful language. lizza published it. it was the kind of communication, conversation you don't want to have out there in public, particularly in your first few days on the job. sarah huckabee sanders today said that was probably one of the biggest reasons why scaramucci is no longer in the white house. listen to this exchange. was it something about the chain of command or did it have anything to do with the interview scaramucci did? >> the president felt empathy's
comments were inappropriate for a person in that position, and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of succession. as i think we've made clear a few times over the course of the last couple days, general kelly has the full authority to operate within the white house and all staff will report to him. >> there's a couple questions and that is, who replaces scaramucci as the communications director. sean spicer is back to acting as the communications director for now because he was going to stay the white house for a few weeks anyway. who becomes the communication director, does it fall to sean spicer? the president didn't necessarily want him to leave. he thought the chain of command wasn't going to work but maybe it works now. the other thing is what happens to scaramucci? he was an executive at the export import bank looked like he was going to get the job as
ambassador to the organization for economic cooperation and development in paris. it's my understanding that despite the fact that sarah sanders said this afternoon that he does not hold the position in the administration that he is going to go back to the export import bank. as to whether or not he was to get the nod as the ambassador to oecd, we don't know. >> eric: thank you. let's meet today's specialist. she's a lawyer, legal correspondent and syndicated columnist and the author of 12 "new york times" bestsellers. she specializes in all things legal and political. ann coulter is here. he's had a 22 year career in the united states army in several combat zone, former republican congressman from florida, fox news contributor and he obviously specializes in all things military and politics. lieutenant colonel allen west is here. i want to start with you. we had a conversation piece
for -- before the press briefing. chain of command or this interview scaramucci gave to ryan lizza, which one of these things. >> it is the chain of command. one of the things to understand, when the announcement was made to have general kelly as chief of staff, you have to understand what that title means. it means that's the person that everyone on the staff goes through in order to get to the commander. it was evident donald trump, in giving this position to general kelly, general kelly has said these are the terms. president trump brought into it. anyone will tell you when you take over, there's going to be one person that tries to bite it and says i'm going to go around it. one thing i believe his anthony scaramucci believed he had a better relationship with president trump and i will continue to go go to u.n. genel
kelly kelly says everyone goes through me. that's how things are going to be. >> eric: i get that but i have to wonder why wouldn't scaramucci say got you, mr. president. i didn't love reince priebus in this spot but i respect general kelly, so i will go through general kelly. with that have salvaged his job? >> ann: i would think so. not disputing anything the colonel is saying. i hope it was because of the interview. from the moment the interview broke, i was checking my twitter account all night. has he been fired yet? he was very smooth and charming in its first press conference i thought it was great but come o on. i don't believe he thought it was off the record. it didn't make any sense. what he claims was being leaked was publicly available information. he sounded like linda blair in the exorcist. no, we can only have one potty
mouth in the white house. >> eric: you're talking about spicer as the other one? >> i'm going to push back and say anthony scaramucci show loyalty to president trump and e loved the loyalty and i'm going to go out on a limb and say this is not the last you will see of scaramucci in the white house. we need to note that john roberts pointed out he may end up taking one of these other jobs. that doesn't mean he's out of government. >> eboni: i wouldn't be surprised if we see scaramucci in another capacity but i don't think it should be a big surprise. i think the chain of command thing is a big deal. the nonnegotiable nature, general kelly is saying this is the way it's got to go. scaramucci being on the outs and loyalty is a big deal but results are a bigger deal. with general kelly, only been six months but i think it's
going to have more weight than loyalty. >> eric: any questions about who is in command right now? >> kat: i wish somebody had talked to him and said think about how fun it will be if we let him stay. i was looking forward to more laughter. we were talking about some of the benefits of having someone in this position that goes directly to president trump. these military guys, they run things according to a specific order. it will be something different. we will see if it will work better or not. with priebus out, we don't really have someone to take the blame. a bit of a blame vacuumed out in the white house. at this point, i'm going to wait and see. >> eboni: may be accountability in a more direct way with a more disciplined message agenda. >> ann: do you think for that -- but for that interview
it would've been him saying i refuse. >> eric: i honestly thought that interview would have been vetted by the president, him saying go ahead, do your thing. but apparently it wasn't. i will tell you, we need to take note. steve bannon is still there. he's very, very powerful. >> allen: but steve bannon is a former military officer so he understands he can operate within this chain. sean spicer, navy reserve officer. i think there's something elsewhere -- for not talking about. anthony scaramucci made himself the headline. >> eric: what you just said lead me to this. controversial comments could have had something to do with this. >> as you know from the italian
expression the fish stinks from the head down, i continued to fish that don't stink. me and the president. i don't like the activity going on in the white house. when i put out a tweet and i put priebus' name in the tweet, there assuming it's him because journalists know who the leakers are. if reince priebus wants to explain he's not the leaker, let them do that. >> allen: coming back to it and said, if something were to have happen, it should've happened at that moment to say you can't be in this position. that's why i don't really believe it was so much about what he said but it's really about the fact that the president wants someone that can be disciplined, in-line. the real question is will president trump be disciplined? an important relationship between a chief of staff and commander is that the commander needs a sounding board. >> ann: oh, i hope not.
i love his twitter. >> eric: i love his tweets as well. >> allen: it feeds the media cycle, you guys love that. >> eric: i want to know what the most powerful human on the plane that thinks when he wakes up. >> allen: tweeting out i am instituting a transgender man is not the way to go. -- instituting a transgender ban. >> kat: then he had to turn around and say you can't just tweet something and becomes a law. that's not exactly how it works. then we were talking about that. >> ann: that's basically what obama did with the executive amnesties. he doesn't have any constitutional authority to do it. >> eric: do you want this job, ann coulter? >> ann: i don't know what job you are talking about.
>> eric: when he was picking and choosing at the very beginning, your name was floated. >> ann: i'm not a job kind of person. >> allen: she is a freelancer. >> eric: you could handle that white house communications job. >> ann: can you imagine moving to washington -- oh, you do get up every day and go to a job. >> kat: i can't imagine being a communications director for anybody. i don't want to be a press secretary. it's hard enough being your own press secretary. >> allen: it's okay to be a press secretary if you know the parameters. if you know the messaging and everyone is on the same sheet of music. we are trying to manage chaos and dysfunction in trying to deliver some comprehensive and cogent message, no, it's no fun. >> eboni: if it were easy, everybody would do it. i say it in jest but in all
seriousness, president trump seems to be a hard method should contain. that said, i actually think -- >> eric: nothing we are talking about has to do with president trump. these are the supposedly surrogates. >> eboni: but they are his choices. >> eric: fair enough. reince priebus, sean spicer, anthony scaramucci, they are all gone. not because president trump had a problem with anyone. this was internal fighting in the white house. if you are right, colonel. maybe they needed a military gu guy. >> allen: when the president comes out and gives a great state of the union speech and then the next thing you know he's going off on a different tangent and everyone is confused. or you give a a great speech in warsaw, poland, but then everyone has forgotten what you said. you need someone who keeps the focus and discipline. there are some good things this administration is doing but unfortunately gets lost in a lot of background noise.
like i said, the important thing to see, is can general kelly discipline president trump? >> eboni: i thought paul manafort did a nice job disciplining the message during the campaign and away we didn't see early in the primary. >> kat: he's had a hard time. trump would say one thing, the press secretary would say something else. maybe it's good to have the direct reporting. >> eric: i think it would not be a bad thing, but as the colonel points out, you have a military guy, you go through him. >> allen: what's good for your business here at fox news may not be good for the country as a whole. >> eric: there's a comment, can't remember who put it out. chief of staff, focus on the chief or the "of staff" is relevant. you would say focus on "of staff."
>> allen: it's an incredible relationship, even the cabinet secretaries have to pay respect to the chief of staff position because you just don't want everyone going to the president and then again you have a discombobulated message. >> eric: up next, first sean spicer, then reince priebus, now anthony scaramucci. we will continue this conversation when we come back.
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>> kat: continuing with the lead story, anthony scaramucci is out as white house communications director less than two weeks after taking the position where we are back with the specialists ann coulter and allen west. i want to ask you, do you have any idea who would be a good replacement for scaramucci or the qualities they would have to have to fit in the structure? >> allen: that's a pretty tall order. i think it has to be someone that is really going to be able to bring an entire staff's message together, someone that can work with the cabinet secretaries, someone who can work with the policy people and someone who can get the trust of
the president of the united states of america to say i can deliver your message so that you don't have to wake up in the middle of the night or early in the morning, get out on twitter. we can do this. we just need your trust, and that can be delegated down to him. i can't think of any person by name. like eboni said, if it was easy, any body could do it. >> kat: the trust issue is huge. the one thing scaramucci had owing for him is that president trump did seem to trust him. >> ann: perhaps the trust was misplaced, given that crazy interview. i am not seeing as much chaos in the white house, or the messaging as the rest of you are. trump, he didn't come from the world of politics. we always say we want a nonpolitician in the white house. you've got one.
he doesn't have a party behind him. both parties were against him. he doesn't have a heritage foundation to choose from. there will be some sorting out but i really think, i don't know, i guess you have to feed these lazy bums in the press something. i mean the ones in the white house briefing room. they walk 3 yards into the room, transcribed, yelled questions at the white house press secretary. i think trump should do it once a week. >> eric: think about that for a second. i agree with you, i don't think there's as much turmoil as if you listen to a lot of the networks. reince priebus resigned. as did sean spicer resign. general kelly got scaramucci's firing or resignation.
president trump is not really changing his message. he is still tweeting, still talking, still making deals. but maybe he is the best messenger for his message. here's, if you're going to be chief white house communications director, there's two people, actually three. bannon and your chief of staff. then you go deliver the message at the press briefings come up to the, whatnot. maybe it's just the three of them. trump, kelly, bannon get together. however it ends up being, go out and deliver the message. >> eboni: i don't think it's a question that president trump is his best messenger. i agree. general kelly is not a show a guy. he's going to be kind of the opposite of what we saw from our friend anthony scaramucci. the complete opposite. i get the impression perhaps
it's that military culture and background that says maybe it's better to not be seen but heard. stick to do you're doing your job in a way that lets the president shine. >> allen: absolutely. he's not the guy out there making headlines. he's making sure, what's your guidance, what's your direction. he makes sure the staff understands and that it's implemented properly. i think it's going to be a good course correction for this white house. i know there are some people on other networks who talk about his crazy, dysfunctional. you have a person that you took and you put them in a position where he is the leader of the free world, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, head of the republican party, chief executive officer of the federal government. those are four pretty big hats.
how do you challenge people -- channel people to get to understand what are your priorities. if everything is a priority, nothing is a priority. i think that's what's going to happen. we are going to know what this president is going to be focusing on. >> eric: he is going to be on the show tomorrow. corey lewandowski understood the president's message and delivered the president's message. >> eboni: no, no. i don't think so. incredibly effective at his job, i just think it's, at this stage in the game, the people that got president trump to the position in the white house aren't necessarily the same ones that need to, like you were talking about, the agenda pushing come of the policy component. corey lewandowski is fantastic at what he does but it's a different element. >> kat: may be we will have a whole bunch more. 15 or 20 more.
>> ann: corey's advantage, one way the trump administration has not been served well is following paul ryan's agenda. repealing obamacare, he left it to the house and senate. paul ryan, republican speaker, it was a complete unmitigated disaster. what corey is good at, with all due respect to the military, these generals seem to want to go to war on four different fronts at once. >> allen: i have to push back on you. when you look at someone my general kelly who lost his son, okay, we who have been in combat don't want to rush into combat. >> ann: that's why i prefer corporals to generals. a bunch of members of them, a bunch of members of my own party, seem to want to go to war
in syria, russia, north korea. i followed the trump campaign closely and the idea was not that we were going to remake the rest of the world and screw america, and that's what corey would be good at. reminding trump these are the issues you got elected on. >> kat: i agree with you about the war thing. i loved that about president trump in the campaign. remember that. >> allen: let's also remember that you can say whatever you want during the campaign but when you are sitting in that chair, there are different decisions you have to make. we have too many despots, dictators, and bad guys. eventually you're going to have to take action against them. >> eboni: you have different information once you are in the oval. >> kat: coming up, house judiciary committee requesting a second special counsel to investigate the 2016 election. whoa!
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>> eboni: welcome back to "the fox news specialists." our specialists today are ann coulter and colonel allen west. political gloves off as the republicans on the house judiciary committee are demanding the appointment of a second special counsel. to investigate hillary clinton, former fbi director james comey and former ag loretta lynch for the 2016 presidential election. they are focusing on lynch's -- the nature of the clinton investigation, clinton's ties to foreign embassies and comey's leak. we saw eric bolling be very subtle before the break. it's about time. basically tomorrow, how much do
you think is about getting the heat off of jeff sessions? >> it wasn't jeff sessions' recusal that led to the independent counsel. it's gotten so complicated. it was the president firing james comey and then going on lester holt and saying i did it because of russia. that's what brought in the special counsel. and who appointed the special counsel? rod rosenstein was appointed by jeff sessions, who did not recuse himself from russia. he recused himself, as he had to do, from anything having to do with the campaign. what the president needs to do, go back and take back those tweets about the great jeff sessions. moved sessions to homeland. appoint someone else to ag who will not have to recuse himself because he did not work on the campaign. i could name 20 good ones for that. fire rod rosenstein -- rod
rosenstein's is to the departmt of justice lawyers what -- i like him just fine. he is an rnc lawyer. he's not part of the trump staffing. sessions' hands were kind of tied in some respects. he needed a doj person. move sessions to homeland, put in someone else as ag. >> eboni: colonel, lots of republicans have been upset, feeling like everything has been russia. what about all the things, the tarmac meeting with ag lynch and bill clinton having a conversation with her in the midst of the investigation. >> allen: with the democrats, you have a politicized conviction looking for mystical evidence. we know former president clinton met with the attorney general on the tarmac in a secret meeting and three days later we have the
announcement about mrs. clinton. i am still trying to figure out when is everyone in the military going to be able to have their own personal email server in their quarters and they can do classified information. if it's good for mrs. clinton, it should be good for everyone in the military. and we don't talk about the uranium deal. we don't talk about her working with ukraine. maybe israel should have been looking into the fact that you had obama campaign operatives who went over to undermine benjamin netanyahu's election. there is some dirt out there, some things have not been right. comey said i wanted to get a special prosecutor so this is why i leaked this information to my friend. someone has to look into this. >> eric: i want to add that finally, it took president trump saying i'm disappointed in my attorney general for finally the house stepping up and saying maybe we should have a special
counsel. >> ann: i don't think it should be the house. >> eric: i agree but my point was they are asking for something the american people have been asking for six months now. where is this special counsel on russia? >> ann: we don't need a special counsel. that's why we are paying at attorney general and thousands of lawyers at the department of justice. donald trump that he wouldn't go after hillary clinton. >> eric: hired by rod rosenstein and the special counsel to clinton. you need another want to go after the clinton's. >> eboni: ann makes an excellent point. president trump she had a tough election, we don't need to lock her up after chanting "lock her up" on the campaign trail. >> kat: that's the kind of thing we see often. he said we will let it go, now he says why aren't we investigating her. all of these people, if you've been paying attention, you look at this and say yeah, they was like they got away with doing something wrong.
that's literally a clinton story. could be the title of a book. when you have lynch saying call it a matter, not investigation. if that's true, what more proof do you need that that's the definition of i was using my place as an intelligence official to influence an election. which is absurd and disgusting. >> eboni: everybody gets an investigation. coming up, time to wake up, america. eric bolling is going to compare the ideas of president reagan took president trump. you do not want to miss it. stay with us. (vo) dogs have evolved,
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again. i visited the reagan ranch this weekend. run by a tremendous group that educates the next generation of students. the ranch is phenomenal, purposefully built as far away from the swamp that makes up washington, d.c., as feasibly possible. president reagan had a vision of what america should be. strong, free, prosperous. president trump not only shares a similar campaign slogan but a similar outlook for the nation. he wants to bring us, the u.s., to win. the democrats and the anti-trump crowd hell-bent on destructing our nation. they did it to reagan in 1980 and are doing the same thing in 2017. offering solutions? no. constructive criticisms? hell no.
they are sore losers. president reagan had america's best interests at heart. president trump has america's success at heart. it's time for americans to wake up and smell the stench emanating from the swamp and get behind the president whose economy is firing on all cylinders, record number of americans employed are now. your 401(k) has never looked better literally, and finally a new confidence across the business community. get out of the way, democrats, lindsay, john, paul, mitch. you would rather derail trump then grow and prosper in america. get on board or trump will drain the swamp with you in it. ann, your thoughts. >> ann: i didn't disagree with anything you said there, except one thing. one big difference with reagan was republicans were on reagan's side. trump really has his entire party against him. they aren't part of his agenda.
making fun of the other republicans in the primaries, all these guys can do is compare themselves to reagan. how about william mckinley? he was a good republican president too. >> allen: i don't call them rhinos anymore. everyone talks about being in the middle-of-the-road. the only thing in the middle of the road is roadkill. you have a republican party agreeing with the expansion of medicaid, keeping the taxes from obamacare. when you get paul ryan to sam going to back away from the border adjustment tax. why would they come up with it? >> eric: health care is a great example. >> eboni: i put obstruction,
question mark. this sounds similar to president obama in 2008, 2009. they are obstructing, i can't believe it. what did you expect? he would think everyone want the same common interest but you don't. we live in a country so deeply divided among the partisan lines that the obstruction has got to be anticipated. at this point, i hear you but i want president trump, like i asked president obama to do, expect the obstruction. >> eric: the surprise was the obstruction from the right. >> kat: of course, i don't think it was surprising because a lot of people were very, very upset he was the nominee. when you talk about legislation, health care, that's something i was upset about. these are not conservative principles in this bill. i think part of it is that a lot of the republican party right now in congress looks more like a moderate democrat then a
republican or conservative. when the thing you have to turn over is an insurance bailout bill. what's the g.o.p.? >> eric: we had a republican senator fly across country to start the debate on health care only devoted down three times. up next, kat on the street. she's next. ♪ this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪
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>> kat: friday we had breaking news. member that thing about john kelly being named the new white house chief of staff. last friday was an important day for me. national talking in the elevator day. i talked about people and their thoughts about elevator etiquette. it's my favorite day, national talk in an elevator day. i love to talk. people don't always like to listen but in an elevator they have no choice. national talk in an elevator da day. what's the best conversation
you've ever had an elevator? was it about "the fox news specialists" and how it's your favorite show? >> can think of anything other than the weather. >> quality time is when you are alone new can think about what you have to do. or you can meditate. >> kat: you can't meditate if if you were in an elevator with me. >> i may avoid trying to get in an elevator with you. >> monday morning, elevator stops on every floor. i guess i got on the local. >> kat: he loves elevator day also. lots of ups and downs about elevators. thank you. do you like to talk on elevators? because sometimes. i pushed all the buttons. i like catching up with people. >> kat: i like talking in the elevator too. would you like to talk to me about my feelings? >> no, not really. >> how was your day going? >> kat: it's not going good.
you have to listen because we are trapped in an elevator. >> i do not believe that your favorite bird better than christmas? >> kat: on christmas, people can still walk away from you when you are talking. do you want to talk to me about talking in elevators? >> no, no, sorry. >> kat: business dudes say you need an elevator pitch. i don't seem room to pitch anything in here. that joke was wrong on so many levels. get it, levels? have you ever gotten a job from an elevator conversation? >> we want to offer me one? >> kat: is there anything about elevators that pushes your buttons? >> people go to lunch and bring back smelly food. >> kat: do you like on elevators? >> it's all right. >> kat: the people that i'm in there with have to listen to me. do you have anything like that?
stick with a lot of open land. >> kat: i felt like we were connecting, knee and this guy, he didn't text me back but then he did. how many hours do you think he should be allowed to go before i'm allowed to get upset? >> i think that's a little psycho in the first place. >> kat: too bad we are not in an elevator. you could walk away. see? it's why i love elevators. >> my favorite thing is when the doors closed, striking a pose. >> kat: i love this day. everybody avoided me. >> eboni: the elevator pond kept giving. >> kat: a lot of ponds. -- a lot of puns. >> eboni: my favorite thing to do is get in the crowded elevator and speak to everybody and make them uncomfortable.
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♪taking care of business. ♪ >> kat: brian kilmeade's rating no -- radio show. we appreciate you. time for our last segment. time for "wait, what." that never gets old. i had the beautiful fortune of spending some time out east, two important causes. raising money for cancer, international thyroid oncology group. raising money. her husband bob is suffering. get well, bob. super saturday event, raising
money for ovarian cancer research. very worthwhile cause, an aggressive form of cancer. takes a lot of women, and young women in particular. beautiful day for two great causes. >> eric: good job. >> kat: as a libertarian it's important to not be judgmental of other people's choices but i found a new trend that crosses the line. in japan, it's a trend to put your cheeseburger on top of your drink and put the straw through the cheeseburger and drink your drink. you get cheeseburger chunks and your straw and you can't eat your cheeseburger until you are done with your drink. this should be banned worldwide. you know what you do, not that. >> eric: anything but that. 19 years ago today, a special day in my life. my son was born and today is his 19th birthday.
that is the reagan ranch. that pond, ronald reagan himself bulldozed that pond, put water in it. young america's foundation runs it. it's fantastic. my son and i had a great time at a book signing. happy birthday. >> eboni: happy birthday, eric chase. >> kat: happy birthday. >> eric: went on the book tour tour. go to santa barbara, check out the reagan ranch if you can. the library is phenomenal. >> eboni: mark live-in was raving about that. >> eric: it's come if you like reagan, it's something you've got to see. >> eboni: what if you aren't conservative but you love america. thank you for watching.
make sure to follow us on social media. on twitter and facebook. 5:00 will never be the same. "special report" up next with bret baier. >> bret: new chief of staff sworn in, incoming white house communications director escorted out. i am bret baier in washington. this is a fox news alert. newly hired white house munication instructor anthony scaramucci leaving the job he was given ten days ago. just hours after general john kelly steps in. scaramucci was not officially scheduled to start until august 15. he leaves 15 days before that in ten days after he was announced in the job. that brings us to at least eight white house staffers out in the past six months. some see this as president trump running his administration like a business,