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>> i want him to keep going. that's awesome. that's it for the special report. fair, balanced, unafraid. the story with guest host dana perino starts now. >> dana: breaking tonight, the push to curb immigration into the united states. president trump blamed by a pair of senators. of arkansas and georgia, a new bill aimed at slashing the number of illegal immigrants entering the u.s. by 50%. good evening, i am dana perino in four martha maccallum. speak up this competitive application process will favor applicants who can speak english, financially support themselves and their families, and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy.
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>> we bring over a million immigrants into this country a year. that's like adding the population of montana every failure. adding the population of arkansas every three years. >> dana: the bill and its infancy immediately sparking debate. tempers flare and, when trump policy advisors took to the mic. for more on the scene, inside the briefing room, let's go to chief national correspondent ed henry who was life at the white house for us. >> good evening, you and i know about fireworks in that briefing room. we have some spirited exchanges when you were white house press secretary, and the issue of immigration certainly sparks a lot of passion, so there were some fiery moments yet again today. somewhere, steve bannon is smiling, because president trum president trump's top strategist is an america first populist. this issue enabled the commander in chief to put himself squarely in the corner of the american worker. too many low skilled, legal immigrants are taking away drops and lowering wages for not just
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white citizens, but for african-americans and hispanics as well. the president wants to pass the raise act, which would cut the number of green cards issued each year and half, from 1 million to about 500,000 in the next decade. following in the steps of countries like canada and australia are making this a merit based system focused on highly skilled workers. critics note that canada and australia let and more than double the number of immigrants per capita than america, and at that this policy will hurt the u.s. economy because it will cut economic growth. but slowing the flow of legal immigrants at a time or we need more workers participating in the economy. cnn and others were eager to jump on other aspects of this proposal. like the push to learn english. another one of the key america first advisors went right at some of the white house's biggest media targets. >> i named the study --
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>> tell me about -- >> "the new york times" can hire all of the low skilled immigrants that they want. >> are we just going to bring in people from great britain and australia? >> i am shocked at your statement, that you think the only people from great britain and australia will no english. it reveals your cosmopolitan biased to a shocking degree. >> those moments perfectly crystallized this debate. great passion, a lot of fiery moments, but it is not likely to become law, so instead, this is a chance for a president who is struggling to pass major legislation to rally his political base by saying, look, i am standing up for these plans, i talked about in the campaign, the swap in washington is blocking me. >> dana: i'm pretty sure you and i were never that spirited. but he did give you quite a look. >> he looked at me and tense sometimes, but we always made u
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up. >> dana: thank you, appreciate. here with more, the kansas secretary of state brady also consulted the trump campaign on immigration policy. chris, i know you are running for governor as well, so this is a timely issue. i wonder, when you're on the ground talking to people in kansas, i know that illegal immigration is something on the minds of people, but is this legal immigration issue something that you hear about as well? >> yeah, you see it indirectly, because the two biggest concerns i hear when talking to people who are dealing with some of the problems of both legal and illegal immigration are the burden on the american taxpayer and the burden on the american worker. so, this raise act, which deals principally with illegal immigration, addresses both. one of the most amazing statistics is, 51% of alien headed households, where illegals and illegals are mixed
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together, 51% are ingesting at least one federal health care. what we are doing with our current system, we are bringing in a large number of poor people who are unskilled and they are coming into our welfare state, and the american taxpayer is immediately supporting them. so, this raise act, president trump's proposal, is to take the burden off the taxpayer and also take some of that competitive burden off of the american workers who are trying to get these lower end jobs, blue-collar jobs, and have them compete on equal terms in order to get those jobs and not see wages depressed. as you know, wages have been staggering for almost three decades in america. >> dana: there are studies that support the position of the president and senators have laid out today, and then there are studies from other places saying that they are actually is a great benefit to legal immigration, and that when you have that coming forward, it helps. i understand the merit-based system.
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i think it makes a lot of sense, especially when it ask you the piece about what ed henry was talking about, about english, is assimilation a part of the plan as well? which is that we want to have immigrants coming into the country illegally, participating, and able to participate and english as a part of that? >> yeah, absolutely. people can learn english when they get here, but if a person already has some english skill, he or she is probably going to be able to make a better it economic impact sooner in america. so the bottom line in this bill, it once you have a point system. we have never had that before. which is, we have all of these hundreds of thousands of people wanting to come here legally every year. let's pick the ones who do the best for themselves and for the united states so we give credit to people with educational payments. we give credit to people with a history of entrepreneurship in their home country. we give credits to people who have some other outstanding compliments. let the best and brightest come
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to the front of the line. sure, you can still -- if you have a minor child in your home country, or a spouse, of course those family connections can allow you to bring that person, but let's think about the american economy first and not be importing so may people who go straight to welfare. >> dana: i guess i would like to see more reporting on the straight to welfare, because i do think you will see businesse businesses, like the chamber of commerce in one of the people that pushes back against this, but let me ask you this. republicans have long disparaged things like the $15 minimum wag wage, or something like card checks, because of the government intrusion on the market. how is this different to that? >> well, think of it this way, the labor market for foreign workers is by definition controlled by the government. every government on the planet controls how many foreign nationals are allowed into its job market. so, it's not really government
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interference. in order to have borders, meaningful borders and be a sovereign nation, every country has to have some control over how many people coming and have access to its jobs. i would not think of this as increased government involvement, we are already there. the government of the united states has been defining who can come in and who can't for over a century now. what we're talking about now is tweaking it a little bit so that the interest of the american worker and taxpayer are first. looking back at that welfare consumption, the average immigrant household consumes more than $6,200 a year and federal benefits, that's not even counting the state welfare benefits they consume. let's try to bring in more people who are not going to consume more benefits. who will be job creators, entrepreneurs. the point is, think of the american people first when we decide who gets to come in. >> dana: all right, thanks so much. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> dana: it was just monday that we told you about a brutal attack in portland, oregon. a65-year-old woman, allegedly
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sexually assaulted by an immigrant deported 20 times. tragically, the same thing happening and washington state. a woman found bloodied, unable to talk with a broken jaw after an alleged rate. the 23-year-old suspect, brought to this country illegally as a child. tonight, they are taking matters into their own hands, fighting to enact a referendum. i thought this was interesting, we have been talking about century city for quite a while. crimes happen all around the country, with all sorts of suspects and those who are then eventually convicted. the issue with actuary cities is, in some ways, seems like it's being pushed between washington and the cities, but now you have citizens were actually saying, we want our city to do something different. do you see that as a change moment? >> it is a very basic concept.
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we want to know who is in our city, are they legal, here legally, and are they going to be accountable for their actions? we have reported on this network and elsewhere. these are not inflated incidents of these heinous horrible crimes happening in sanctuary cities across the country. they are not happening in droves in cities that don't allow for sanctuary city policy. the problem is, illegal aliens who have been deported before come back and are emboldened by century city policies because they know they are not going to be handed over to ice, be held accountable for their crimes. so, it's an issue that people are paying attention to, an issue that people will be voting on, and i'm glad to see in this case, people are getting involved in telling their city council, we know longer want this to be a place where criminals are able to get away with things like this. >> dana: francisco, how does somebody defend, at least in the case of organ, an illegal immigrant deported 20 times?
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is the breakdown on our end as well? >> if a person has been deported 20 times, by the second or third time, he should be prosecuted for illegal immigration. there is no such thing as a sanctuary city. a city cannot oppose the federal government. the city cannot say, we are not going to turn over somebody to ice. it is impossible, federal preemption clause, federal law prevails and we do every day with drug dealers or any person that the federal government wants to prosecute that is in any jail in the country. the difference is, we have this political phantom. everybody is afraid of it, but nobody can touch it. simply because, congress won't act. terminals don't flock to a sanctuary city. they cannot protect anybody. they are not going to flock to make crimes in something that is called a century city. it needs to be acted on by congress, get on with immigration reform, we just got
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through talking about reforming legal immigration. we can't even get illegal immigration right, and we can't get congress to act on illegal immigration. now they want to go that way? >> dana: okay. katie, i want you to respond to that, including the fact that we are seeing action now, action from the top administration pushing forward. there is action from the courts, although that is low. now you see citizens saying we don't want to have this arrangement. we do want to cooperate with ice, and you had charlie baker, the governor of massachusetts, introducing legislation i want to give permission to work with our local authorities. >> francisco made the argument that these cities -- it's illegal for them not to turn over people to ice. that is exactly the issue that they have been making. these cities have been breaking the law and not turning over cities who have on the record on
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court documents of being an illegal alien, who admitted that he came to san francisco that he came because it was a century city. >> he was transferred to san francisco -- ice does not need the city's permission to open the debt jail cell. >> the city does not help them when they have them in their custody. and therefore they go out and create do not commit crimes. >> dana: there are a lot of issues, and obviously there needs to be a lot of reform. i do think the court should weigh in and help us resolve this. okay, thank you so much. still have, a new development into the investigation of obama era spying. why a former advisor is now in the hot seat for his role in the
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a masking scandal. plus the white house pushing back on reports that the doj is targeting affirmative action at colleges. tonight, the administration says the paper got the story completely wrong. ed henry will have that reaction ahead. and, a "incompetent player." that is what moscow is labeling president trump tonight on the sanctions on russia. up next on if this is the final blow on a reset with vladimir putin. prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. itthe power of nexium 24hr protection from frequent heartburn. all day, and all night. now packed into a pill so small, we call it mini. new clearminis from nexium 24hr. see heartburn differently.
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>> and sergey laffer lavrov, st shows how we can congress controlled him. >> dana: it did not come from vladimir putin himself. what do you make of that? >> i still think it's obviously high enough up that it is really incredible provocation coming from, when he says he just handed over control to the congress, and he has been familiar to. he plays obviously right into the way that they know trump as and the way he responds. they made it clear in that statement that he was powerless. he had a vetoproof majority, which flipped his bill over, they could not veto it, they would've overturned a veto, which would have been really familiar to him. he had to make statements that he wasn't pleased, congress was so inept, they could not pass health care for seven years, and he obvious we could negotiate better deals.
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he is in a box. ndc congress finding it out in private, with all of these caveats, and the senator mccain pushing back with a statement, frankly congress is going to continue to push back. they are very concerned that since sunday, when vladimir putin announced the expulsion of's the u.s. mimetic personnel, this white house has not said anything. >> dana: these statements are nothing new, and they often can be criticized as legislation at high stakes like this, but do you think the democrats might make too much of it? >> i don't know what's left for the democrats to make. obviously, the central issue remains collusion, and it is an unproven charge paid we will find out from robert muller what the facts are and we will move beyond that. what strikes me as the bigger picture, russia seems to think they understand our system, and they never do. this backfired on them. they're meddling in our election backfired on them more than anything they can election. >> dana: yeah, they meddled in order to get rid of sanctions,
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and they ended up with more sections. >> that is my point. when they come out and say that congress has the upper hand over donald trump, they really don't understand democracies and free governments, and the will of a free people. they may taunt us, but they don't understand us, and always rebounds to their negative. >> dana: do you remember when vladimir putin thought that george w. bush had fired dan rather from cbs. and they told him not to go out and say that. that's how it works here. and our entire press corps laughed at him. we have another thing we want to get to. the dow jones, with another historic high, signaling historic buy confidence. one of his biggest campaign promises with that he was going to stick it to wall street. this could expand the disconnect with voters, and the president finds himself in an all-time low, 33% approval ratings. the stock market certainly is on a tear, with six record highs,
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hitting 22,000 for the first time. the present would like credit for that, and yet, the approval ratings are not corresponding. >> before the president was the president, he was very good at pointing out that the federal reserve, flashing large amounts of money and keeping rates at rock bottom loads, it was good for the market. all they wanted was that stability and they were going for it. but the larger problem is, the president's real focus, his success with his supporters and everybody in america, his real wages, real take-home pay. the stock market can be through the roof. rich people in new york and go to rich people things, and it's wonderful and great, but if real incomes don't start to go up in a pronounced way, and i would say a good benchmark is about $1500. if we can see the real household median income go up by about $1500 in his first term, he will get reelected.
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>> dana: and people will have benefited. is it just really hard for a republican to get credit for a good economy? >> it's hard for anybody to get credit for a good economy from the press. it's hard for anyone to get credit from the press as a republican. i remember when bush was president, and the stock market would go down, the cable stations would do a half split screen, where he was on one side giving a speech, and the little arrow on the other side of the screen pointing down. donald trump is onto something. at the will give you blame disproportionately for everything you do as the president, particularly this president, and they will not give you credit. that is a long-standing bias i have felt from the media, it is particularly pronounced for donald trump. but, chris is right. the american people are able to feel with their wages are, and if he is able to get blue collar which is particularly up, he has a chance to beat back the presses bias. >> dana: these poll numbers,
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you notice some things in there, the numbers across the board aren't necessarily good. if they got some when wins -- >> working-class, white men, republicans, going down. those are signs that his tweets and his temperament are becoming an issue. in the absence of a big legislative win. i think that they are right. if the voters don't feel something they can hold onto, something tangible next year, economic growth, from tax cuts, improve tire and, if they don't see some change in their health care, that is going to be a different story. looking at the way that his behavior has led to a decline in his numbers, even among his strongest supporters in these new polls, it really points to a bigger problem for him. >> dana: all right, thanks everybody. we appreciate your insight. tonight, good team trump be cracking down on affirmative action? if you heard the story today, you might have heard wrong, ed henry has reaction from the
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>> dana: tonight, a senator and a new book, dividing republicans on the hill and angering some pundits on the right. senator jeff flake has emerged as a critic of donald trump, as a result of his new book, "confidence of conservatives" laura ingraham tweeting, i look forward to competing against him in arizona and one of his -- this imposter, who speaks to conservative on the strongest principal terms.
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>> additionally, his colleague defending his right to speak, telling "political" i think he has a fairly strong view of where we are as a party and were ready to go. i think it is fine for him to articulate that. joining me now to respond, jeff flake, of arizona. your book is a slim volume, but it has created a lot of discussion. the way i thought, it was the book was not necessarily an anti-trump book, but it was talking about a conservative movement as a whole and where it stands now. clearly, as you saw from the response that your book can't, there is a divide within the republican party in this debate, and do you feel like you are caught in the middle of it? >> well, this does start long before the current administration. i think the trouble with conservatism really started, it could be traced, i came to congress in 2001.
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we had the majority in the house, the senate, and we also have the white house. at that time, i think we did a lot of things that we should not have. we really kind of threw away the matter of fiscal conservatism. we spent like drunken sailors. earmark spending, all of the obscene things that we do, and we were thrown out of the majority in 2006, and both the house and the senate, and we lost the presidency in 2008. >> dana: you said that you regret your vote in 2008 during the financial crisis. speak out right. i think there was a financial crisis that certainly we had to play the ball where it was. it wasn't a good situation we were in, and i mentioned in the book, i took the easy route out and relied on my colleagues to do the right thing, which i think was to ensure that our economy stayed. so, that is one vote i have mentioned that i regret. >> dana: how do you feel about
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the criticism that you are dishonoring people like bill buckley? >> this book is very much an homage to goldwater. he felt that the party had been compromised by the new deal, and he felt he needed to write a blueprint of where the party needed to go. i think today, the party is being compromised by populism, buy it protectionism, isolationism. i think we need to do a self evaluation again, because populism is just not a governing philosophy. it is not the direction we need to have in the future. >> dana: is that a direct criticism of president trump? >> as i have said, i have been critical of the president and the campaign on policy, in particular on trade. i think we ought to embrace free trade. we are living in a globalized society, and we can either take advantage of it, or we can be left behind. >> dana: what would you feel
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about two of your colleagues saying on the raise act, which is the immigration piece that curtails illegal immigration green card holders by 50% and other pieces in there. where would you stand on that legislation like that? >> i very much support a merit-based system. the bipartisan bill we did a couple of years ago, we employed a merit-based system for legal immigration. we did not cut the numbers in half. i think that that is the last thing we need to do if we want to grow an economy. i think that almost every economist would tell you that. i agree with the merit-based system, we need to bring more people in who can help with our economy, certainly our competitors are doing that, but we can't cut the numbers in half. that would not be the right direction to go. >> dana: in arizona, where you will be up for reelection, i think the approval rating for you is somewhere in the high 30s, are you concerned about a primary challenge for your reelection effort? >> in an off year, the saved,
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unsaved, are always skewed. john mccain, at the same time, he had a 30% approval rating, 54% disapproved, somewhere around there. in an off year, it is always that way. i'm going to run, run hard, have a good campaign, and i feel good about it. >> dana: i remember another member who was threatened with a primary challenger on the right, saying if they can get to the right of me, welp god bless them, because they did not think that was possible. last, i wanted to ask about criticism from you from the left. "the new york times," for example, always wanting republicans to stand up against president trump. they actually have somebody in you who wrote an op-ed that was pretty pointed. but that's never good enough. what they basically want is complete submission from a republican if they are going to push back against president trump. were you surprised by that or typical? >> i am a conservative. that's the bottom line. i'm going to vote conservative.
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i voted with the president on a great supreme court justice, and on regulatory reform issues. but, i think that on the side of policy immigration, for example, and things like behavior, and comportment, demeanor, i think that i have been critical of the president an end the white house, and i think that republicans should. >> dana: thanks for coming on. we appreciate it. coming up, and another former obama aide now included in the investigation of unmasking of campaign officials. we will ask a spokesperson to respond. plus, a firestorm after a "new york times" report claimed the doj is targeting affirmative action at colleges. one problem, says the white house, it completely wrong. ed henry has been following the developments and joins us without breaking news next. >> does the resident believe that white applicants to
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>> dana: de trump administration pushing back into a report that "the new york times" quotes, the justice department to take on action against affirmative action. resources that target colleges that engage in these practices is completely wrong according to the justice department. she corresponded ed henry has been following the story for us and is life at the white house. sometimes these things happen, and it can be completely wrong, other times there can be a trial balloon that was set up and they basically poked it. >> it seems like the opposite. fake news as the white house would claim. in fact, "the new york times" appears to have gone into the story with a preconceived notion that they think the president's views are racist, so they took a swing at him and they missed rather badly. it all started with a simply se
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want to add, seeking lawyers to work on a new project to investigate race-based discrimination in colleges and universities in their admissions actresses. "the new york times" obtained that classified ad and ran the story suggesting that this meant the president wants to round up evidence that affirmative action policies have gone too far, so why applicants from college are now facing reverse determination. this ignited a firestorm, including former president obam president obama's education secretary rushing out to say that he was disheartened at any legislation that would hurt african-american students. one big problem. the job ad for attorneys to work for attorney general jeff sessions did not refer to white students facing any sort of reversed its cremation. it did not mention white students at all. so they mention to fox, this was not a policy announcement, and sarah huckabee sanders at the white house podium said, the
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lawyering up to investigate potential determinations against people of all races. watch. >> "the new york times" article is based entirely on on cooperated inferences from a leaked internal personnel posting in violation of departments of justice policy. and while the white house does not deny or confirm any existing investigation, the white house will always on the basis of any race. >> that was this afternoon. and a few moments ago, the justice department came out and denied all of this even more vehemently. they revealed, they are hiring more lawyers to investigate a complaint filed by 64 asian american associations, alleging discrimination at harvard university. they first alleged this in 2015, sent it to the obama justice department, and they never fully acted on it. so, this is basically a case of alleged disk alleged disconnection against asian american students. not white students, as "the new york times" suggested, and it is a leftover from something the obama did administration did not finish.
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>> dana: i remember when that lawsuit was filed. joining me now, kevin jackson's executive director of the blacks for and a fox news contributor. and a professor at john hopkins university and political commentator. the white house and justice department is saying that this is not actually happening. but when i read your reaction to it, obviously, there is come concern amongst african-american communities that there could be a decision by the justice department to go after these kinds of cases. >> i don't think it was just a concerning monks amongst the african-american community. we have to make sure that students, regardless of their color, they are given equal opportunity because we have empirical data that says that
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those who come from underrepresented minority groups have been statistically marginalized when it comes to the higher education practices. so, for individuals to jump out on the story and quickly say, this was against white students and that's where they were going with this, there is definitely some pullback that needs to be done to make sure we have all of our ducks in a row before people jump out, but however, the white house is saying this is not what they're doing, and we are okay with that. we know that black and brown students are statistically marginalized in higher education. >> dana: kevin, the justice department is saying this is a full story. but you think that they should take this on. >> absolutely they should. marginalization of blacks in higher education comes from the fact that you could score so much lower than in asian student. i think you have to score 1085 and an asian kid has to score 1310 to get into the same school. >> that is not true.
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>> i don't blame asians for doing that. the worst thing about this, the racism of low expectation. my son is a graduate, got in and graduated magna cum laude and is performing at his job in a very good way. is because he is a bright kid. it didn't matter that if there was affirmative action or whatever. when are we going to lose the crotch. here's what i can tell you, dana. no white kid is trying to get into and hbcu. you are not going to see the racist activities of those schools that are overwhelmingly black being pursued by white kids. because those schools aren't performing at the level of harvard. so, the discrimination is right in your face with hbcus, but when it comes to actual schools like harvard, they should be based on your ability to do the job. we placate to the black community. it's time to stop this nonsense. >> dana: let me have you respond to that. >> everything he just said is
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dubious and incorrect. furthermore, before we start pulling the race card, which is what this gentleman is doing, let's face the fact. 2.4 million unemployed black people make up the united states population. there are 112 unemployed white americans unemployed. so even if we use in our connection to give every black person a job, that will only affect 2% of the white population. so let's not sit here, excludes me arming them reclaiming my t. let's not sit here and hence say everything is based on race. there are black students who perform at high levels and they have a right place and ivy league institutions. >> there are black kids who perform at higher levels and that's the way it should be. blacks are historically underemployed. >> i don't know where you are
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getting your facts from, but you are clearly wrong. >> dana: here is a fact, we all want people to succeed. so we can work together on that. okay, thanks to you both. new developments tonight on the ongoing investigation into possible obama era spying on the former trump campaign. former obama advisor caught up in all of this. we will explain, next. sensing your every move and automatically adjusting to help you stay effortlessly comfortable. there. i can also help with this. does your bed do that? oh. i don't actually talk. though i'm smart enough to. i'm the new sleep number 360 smart bed. let's meet at a sleep number store.
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>> dana: developing tonight, new reporting from our own reporter into the ongoing investigation on potential spying on of the obama administration on the trump campaign. he wrote to the nsa requesting information on spying habits. ben rhodes is just the latest to be caught up in the appropriate here to debate, mercedes schlapp and marie harp. thanks for joining. i put this on twitter. very interesting the political unmasking story. the president could declassify all of this, why hasn't he?
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i'm totally willing to believe there is political spying, but when people in position easy to prove it just flow innuendo, count me out. so, are the formal obama officials frustrated with this trip drip drip accusation against them, but there could be exposure if they wanted. >> i think the ad administration officials i have talked to have been very clear. while there is a lot of innuendo out there, there has been zero evidence at this point of anything improper being done. you even had sin and tell you even had senate and tell chairman say that they had susan rice come out, there could have been something improper, but we have not seen it yet. he could be trying to push this theory and there is nothing behind it. >> dana: maybe there wasn't a crime committed, but the question is, why then are all of
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these people asking for requests for unmasking all across the board? does it seem suspicious to you? >> i think it does, and i think it raises questions. i think that's exactly what devon is bringing out. you have one government official that we know of with no intelligence background or function, yet he easily got access to this information of what we call a u.s. person. easy access, and the ability these government officials to gain access to this information. secondly, you also have the fact of justification. meaning, these government officials, like samantha powers, like a susan rice, they are supposed to provide a justification as to why they are unmasking. they did not do it. they did not give adequate information based on the information that we know. normally, analysts, intelligence analyst, would ask for and have to fill out extensive forms are to be able to unmask this
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information. so, i think these are the questions that are being raised, and you're going to have to let this investigation go through to see what the results are. >> dana: marie, i understand your point. but i do think there is something, a question that i have. unmasking is allowed, perhaps it was abused, i don't know. but then there will are the to the media, but is that an issue that is of concern to former obama administration officials? >> absolutely. i think that should be a concern to all of us who have had the privilege of a clearance. but what mercedes just said is not entirely true. i have been told by numerous people that the process was followed here, and it is not an easy process. someone like susan rice or samantha power, all of them had national security functions and roles, and they could have had reason to need this. they went through the process, they went to the intelligence community gave a reason, and you know the intelligence committee,
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i served in it, they are not going to give it to you unless they feel you have a reason. >> dana: >> dana: it's hard to understand why someone would need to unmask and get information about the trump campaign when you are at the nations. that is the part to me that i don't think is understandable. speak out right. this goes back to, let's raise the questions and have a thorough investigation. why these individuals were unmasking. i made it clear, one of the evidence is shown, the fact that you have one government official, with no intelligence function basically asking for hundreds of unmasking requests. it is something that we need to look into. and i think that when you are looking at the facts, i think that it is one of those other questions of dealing with the leaks and how these leaks got out. >> dana: all right, thanks for being here tonight. we will be right back.
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>> dana: well, that's the story for tonight. tomorrow night at 7:00, president trump holds a campaign-style rally in west virginia. and, guess what? we're going to bring it to you live. also you here at 9:00 for the five. good night. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and worker to tucker carlson tonight. the trump administration took a big step immigration reform bill by tom cotton and david perdue. strict immigration on family i want congratulation and give priority to skills who speak english might help the country cut future immigration by 50%. bringing the number closer to historic levels. >> also abolish something called the diversity lottery. the white house press corps hated it. polling shows the public liked it. the white house rolled it out today in the brief


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