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remain in business? he is going after them pretty hard. as usual. that will do it for me here. catch me here on the intelligence report 2:00 p.m. eastern on fox business. the specialist is next. >> eboni: hey, everybody i'm eboni k. williams along can cat tiff and lisa booth. this is the fox specialists. ♪ ♪ >> eboni: yesterday, the united states and japan welcomed tougher sanctions on north korea over its missile test. and said it was time to exert more effective pressure on pyongyang rather than pursue dialogue. north korea has threatened, quote: thousand fold revenge against the united states for banning exports worth $1 billion following its intercooperate negligence ballistic launches. north korean leader kim jong un is demanding justice over donald trump's attempts to isolate and stifle his country with bans on
exporting coal, iron, lead and seafood. the question remains if these sanctions will have any effect on north korea. now, kat, you know what i think about sanctions and really what i think really troubling ways to enforce them. do you have any hope this is going to have impact on north korea. >> kat: he doesn't care if his own people are starving to death sanctions have limited power. of course you will get this kind of response. you couldn't expect them to not retaliate and make comments like that. >> eboni: lisa, obviously something is better than nothing in this scenario. what can we hope for around these sanctions? >> president trump said is he going to put maximum pressure on north korea. this is a maximum step in that direction. this is a sign that the international community is lined the united states in this effort, particular whether i russia and china. china equates to about 90% of trade with north korea, so that's obviously the key. i think there has also been a lot on congress about putting more economic sanctions on north korea as well. i believe they are only about the fifth most sanctioned country so i think there is a lot more.
this is a step in the right direction towards doing that. >> eboni: absolutely. today we will meet today's specialist. fomilitary analyst. counter terrorism and intelligence operation. author of the book "without mercy." he specializes, of course, in war and terror. courtroom david hunt is here. and she is the president of the people's house project, a former congressional candidate and the author of reversing the apocalypse and her specialty is helping working class candidates win. crystal ball is here. courtroom, i'm going to obviously come to you on this. i don't think that america has yet to figure out an effective way of course to deal with north korea. what do these sanctions mean through your lens? >> nothing. won't work. ain't going to happen. we have had democrats, republicans, two term north korea. north korea is still pariah. this guy is whackier than the rest of them have been. very, very dangerous
interkant continue negligence ballistic missiles and they have blown up a nuke four times. the issue is not will there be sanctions. seoul, korea and tokyo are held hostage by north korean's aggression. and our military options, although we could win are very, very limited because of the millions of casualties that we have in a war with them. >> eboni: follow up. one second, crystal, what do those military options look like from you. >> disaster. 136-mile wide zone. 155,000 pieces of artillery. seoul is only 30 miles away. if we do a fast strike, they still get 6 to 8 minutes warning, north korea. >> what option does the united states have? if you are saying sanctions don't work so putting that economic pressure on north korea doesn't work and now you are saying that the military options which we all know are bad and there aren't a lot of good military options, where does that leave the united states then? >> there is only road in to north korea, it's china.
the good news is new administration has the chingz to actually say something aggressively about sanctions. that's the good news thing. but china is the only option. there is no -- i'm just saying too hot a road militarily. we could win it but it would be millions of civilian casualties. >> eboni: crystal, speaking of china, many have hoped that would be the way we could win this impending war with north korea. do you think they are at all serious? it looks like they hesitated and played chicken thus far on this issue with the u.s. >> i don't know that i can get inside heir minds. i think this is a positive step forward this u.n. security council resolution. it does indicate that everybody is on the same page. i think we have to give u.n. ambassador nikki haley a lot of credit here. she is in a lot of ways been empowered to walk a different line than what the administration has publicly said. the president came in with this very go it alone approach. she has done a lot of work laying the groundwork there and we see even though i'm like y'all i don't have a lot of hope that these
sanctions are actually going to have any effect because this is a regime that has shown a willingness to let their people literally starve and die than chart a different course. but i do think that this is important first step to at least have everybody on the same page and maybe china steps up because that is the only path probably to avoiding some sort of disastrous military conflict. >> eboni: kat let me ask you this. this is not something the u.s. can do alone. clearly getting a clear picture of that the likelihood, you think, the ambassador nikki haley and her ability to get buy-in internationally around treating north korea like the critical problem and threat internationally that it is. >> kat: it all comes down to when it comes to be something in those country's own best interest. in terms of tension between the united states and north korea, china loves that they love to see us squirm and having those issues while they get to benefit economically. they don't want war. that would be worse for them than us because of the refugee crisis and all sorts of other issues that would
be created by having a power vacuum in north korea. it's all about showing them how it's in their best interest to actually cooperate with the serious problem. >> crystal to you real quick, you said that president trump has been trying to go it alone. we have known for along time and duration of this press so far he has tried to work with china and trying to enlist china as a partner in interreactions against north korea and trying to get them to back off a little bit. how can you say that he wants to to go it alone. we actually have seen him put a lot of effort in building that relationship. >> sure. well, it's a little ironic to see him touting progress made at the united nations. >> you just said progress was made. >> united nations is an institution that the bannon wing of the party. particularly tends to celebrate. >> pointing out how nikki haley is able to make a distinction. >> absolutely. globalist, internationalist organization, right? the u.n. is what people, again, in the bannon wing always rail against and want us out of the u.n. this really underscores how
it is important when you are facing a global crisis, which is what this is with north korea that we do have our friends and allies at the table. i give them credit for that. i give nikki haley credit for really working on that ground. i think this underscores we are not able to go it alone in the world. we need our friends and our allies. those relationships are important. and they can't just be bilateral relationships. we need that global view. >> eboni: earlier today, secretary of state rex tillerson told reporters in manila that if north korea wants to engage in talks with the u.s. it must first stop launching missiles. a short time ago u.s. officials told fox news that american spy satellites detected north korea moving antiship cruise missiles to a patrol boat off the country's east coast. as for how long a military moratorium would have to last to be taken as a signal, tillerson said we will know it when we see it. colonel, that's a good
start, stopping the consistent and almost revved up launching 6 missiles to show, i don't know, good faith on their part? >> i'm just troubled by the leaks. we just told the north koreans what time a satellite goes over and what boat it can look at. tillerson is a good guy. a lot of people that work for him. the issue is north korea almost an impossible nut to crack. because they know what i just said and, yes, there is a united front. united nations. there is there are very limited options that the world can put more on to them. everyone jumps to the military option. secretary of state just took all the negotiations off the table. >> eboni: spilling his hand. >> you have to stop doing this or we will do that nobody expects and i'm clearly not a politician, but nobody expects north korea to go oh, well, the secretary of state says that we are going to stop shooting missiles. >> eboni: that's fair, kat, ultimately can we even
engage, go to the table with people still actively testing missiles that we know can hit the united states of america. >> kat: absolutely. to your point, also, it's important to remember that although these people are being oppressed by horrible dictator what they are seeing in the state controlled media we are the bad guys. they need these missiles and nuclear weapons because we are going after north korea and big scary threat. important thing to remember. all of these threats say we are going to get you. we could have expected. this as soon as we signed these sanctions we could have said okay, they are going to come out and say we are going to kill a bunch of americans. oh there is sanctions on us? that's cool. we are scared and now we will stop. it's important to remember they are going to retaliate and say these things. people in north korea don't see things the way that is happening in reality because they are not allowed to. >> eboni: no, crystal, though don't see. do you think what rex tillerson is saying is global and powerful. >> i'm skeptical, also that
any of this is going to have an impact. i think you have to do it, right? i think you have to take these steps. i think you have to try. is it ultimately going to be successful? no. i want to say i'm really glad that you are focusing this important first block on this show on this issue because this is incredibly scary moment. we have had lots of sort of missile scares and tests with north korea. i think it's easy to feel like oh, this is just another thing. we have seen this in the past. nothing has actually happened. >> revenge is that what you are talking about. >> the missile tests and the question around what are we going to be doing about north korea. this is incredibly significant and frightening development. this is the real first crisis this that this administration has faced. >> that's fair for six months. the north koreans have blown up two nukes under bush 43. that's clearly was a higher problem than the missiles. the missile issue, by the
way. everyone keeps saying as soon as they punch a missile up it's going to hit new york city. that's not true. it's dangerous. my only push back is when this country, north korea blew up nukes on the ground that was a lot more critical than what we are having right now. >> being able to reach the united states is a whole new level. >> i hope you are right. >> all all i'm saying very convenient every time they punch one up it's going to reach new york. the danger is whether they can put a nuke on top of a missile, period and still reach seoul or tokyo. >> eboni: are we seeing a rhetorical revving up of north korea's abilities, colonel? >> no. they have real capabilities. no question. i'm not minimizing north korea's capabilities. frustration how you will get at it. >> eboni: fair enough. on sunday china called on north korea to halt test. welcome boost since they are typically north korea's economic lifeline. the trump administration cautiously embraced china's apparent new found cooperation while putting it on notice that the u.s.
would be watching closely to ensure it didn't ease up on north korea if and when the world's attention is diverted elsewhere. i think this is important, lisa, because we remember the meeting between china's president and president trump and everybody felt like optimistic something was going to come. it seemed like they disappeared on that one. >> we saw a little bit of hope with the turning away of coal ships. china is the economic lifeline of north korea. 0% of its trade has to do with china. the question is how do we engage china. is this in their interest? the question for the colonel, do you think is it in china's interest to work with the united states in trying to deter north korea? >> yeah. i mean, yes. the answer is yes. it's called trillions of dollars. the trade issue between china and the u.s. is staggering. it's not just a one-way street. they need us and we have serious economic on china and this administration seems to understand that. and we do have the chinese coming forward, which is a big step. >> eboni: let me ask you this, colonel, how far do you think president trump
and his administration will go around incentivizing economically china's cooperation because, from where i'm sitting, colonel. it doesn't seem like china is going to decide it's in their best interest because we all feel like it is. it seems like it has to be clearly incentivized. >> i think it remains to be seen. whether the businessman, now president, can execute that kind of negotiations. we don't know that yet. >> one thing that's important to point out, too, i don't think anyone in the trump administration is saying this is the answer. this u.n. resolution or even looking at sanctions is the answer against north korea. i think what they are trying to do is exactly what president trump said. maximum pressure. so what they are looking to do is to try to look at any avenue that we have to try to push and put pressure on north korea. and this is certainly part of that. >> eboni: can i ask you this, lisa. do you think president trump and his administration will be willing to threaten that trade, that all important economic trade that we do so much of with china to make that point? is that included how far he will go? >> i absolutely do. i think president trump has even said things along those lines in the past so yes,
absolutely. >> eboni: we know he said itkat sometimes that's different than what he does. >> that's not the way it works. >> kat: this is obviously a good sign. this is really the only way that we could get to this problem without killing millions of people. this is a very, very serious thing. and although you can get scared by. so rhetoric coming out of north korea and, of course their actual capabilities getting more and more capable, military option is also just not an option in my mind. because it results in millions upon millions of innocent people being dead. >> eboni: it is an option, krystal, no one wants to see anyone dead. >> dangerous path. we could be headed there. >> eboni: time line is narrowing, colonel, where we are. >> i don't think military advisors like the secretary of state i, i mean the secretary of defense are going to allow that. that's my hope. >> eboni: hopefully doesn't get there. >> guys have been to war. they don't want another war.
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♪ ♪ >> kat: the department of justice releasing more than 400 pages of emails suspicious meeting between then a.g. loretta lynch and hillary clinton. the meeting took place during the time the doj was investigating hillary clinton's email scandal raising serious concerns about the department's impartiality into the investigation. no charges were filed against clinton. the email release resulting from a suit filed by the american council for law and justice, making matters worse, the aclj claims that the fbi under then director james comey originally denied the existence of those same emails. lisa, does that seem suspicious to you at all?
>> lisa: the saga never ends. it certainly seems suspicious especially with coleman's actions. this is a guy who says that he released information to force the special counsel investigation. this is a guy who seemed to have no problem at the time down play the investigation. >> eboni: he did say it made him queazy. >> kat: he was having a lot of stomach issues at the time. >> lisa: he was going through a stomach flu at the time. the hill reported some of that information in the notes that he took contained classified information. so he essentially did the same thing that he criticized hillary clinton over doing. but i also think if you look at these emails one thing that's interesting, if you look at reporter inquiries from both "the washington post and "new york times" as well, on both reporters basically emailed the doj saying i'm essentially being forced to cover this because my editors are asking me to. and so you will get that and
compare the way that the trump administration is being covered and there is a lot of hypocrisy there. >> kat: like you were saying, krystal, this doesn't seem to be going away. do you see it ever going away. >> eboni: krystal, your face is worth a million dollars right now. >> kat: i don't think it should. when should would he be concerned about keeping government officials accountable. >> no one should be more angry about bill clinton about going over and having his little meeting with loretta lynch than his wife. >> kat: she should be angry at him for many reasons. >> this is one of them. this is what led to loretta lynch deferring to james comey and him doing his weird announcement thing and coming back out when they found more emails and coming back out and saying those emails were actually duplicated emails. look, i'm the first to say there are a million other reasons that hillary clinton lost, including her being a poor candidate. >> kat: not going to wisconsin. >> not going to wisconsin. the party failing to address economic issues. all true but also true that
james comey is part of that story. no one should be angrier about the way this all unfolded than hillary clinton herself and other democrats. james comey has given everybody something to love and something to hate. >> eboni: absolutely. >> kat: eboni, it's not just about that meeting, right. remember james comey, lisa bringing up call it a matter not an investigation. if he is telling the truth, we already know she had no problem using her position to influence a campaign. >> eboni: talking about loretta lynch, yeah, i was going to say as messed up as bill clinton was going and approaching the sitting attorney general while you know your wife is under a current investigation. >> lisa: why, why? >> eboni: i call loretta lynch. >> were you surprised that bill clinton approached women inappropriately. >> eboni: no, colonel. i'm holding loretta lynch more accountable. is he going to do what bill clinton wants to do. >> is this a boys will be boys kind of argument? >> eboni: no. he felt that was okay.
if i'm loretta lynch, i have my only credibility on the line and in jeopardy and at stake. so respectfully, mr. president, i have to see you in another time and another setting. >> the bureau thinks pretty highly with comey. here is my problem what w. what the former director did. same time giving five separate briefings. he shouldn't have given one. the last one was the worst. also actively investigating trump and russia at the same time and didn't say anything. and, by the way. neither one should have been public at all. fbi agent did what he did fired moved to alaska or worse. so, it was not -- it was -- he pick and chose when to do it and he gave five separate ones and the clinton one unanimously said, by the way, there was nothing in the emails. unanimous. >> lisa: we also had the former fbi director who announced in front 6 congress that the trump administration was or they were looking at trump in connection with to russia. meanwhile behind the scenes telling the president
directly that he himself was not under investigation. so, i think we saw a lot of that from fbi director comey where he said one thing in public and another thing behind the scenes. >> eboni: which is why, lisa booth, you can never take these guys at their word. seriously even though you are told one thing even if you are the sitting united states president it doesn't mean anything. they like to sneak attack. they like that element of surprise. they will never tell you anything. you won't know a grand jury has convened but for the leaks. most of what we know we have to remember is literally because of leaks. >> he wanted to keep his job literally at the time james comey and didn't work out for him cat can a cat no it did not. never should trust anybody. >> all parties can agree. don't trust anyone. >> kat: i think his life is going to be really tough. president trump is announcing plans to cut legal immigration in half while los angeles has made $1.3 billion in illegal immigrant welfare payouts in just two years.
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reasonable to argue for no illegal immigration at all. everyone who does so should do so according to the law and it's reasonable to welcome immigrants who can make a contribution to our economy and our society. that's why merit and skills based system like the one proposed this week makes sense and is not racist but reasonable. >> lisa: so, krystal, i want to start with you. there has been a lot of charges lobbed against this president regarding his immigration policies that is he racist and anti-immigrant. if you go back history and look at some of the proposals that the democratic party supported, for instance, the secure fence act people like chuck schumer, dianne feinstein and that's actually the legislation president trump would use to build the wall, democrats in the past have supported policies that are merit-based in regard to immigration. and you look at president obama, he deported more illegal immigrants than any president in the past. so is this -- are those accusations only when it's a republican president and when it's president trump? >> no, absolutely, the
president -- president obama earned his moniker deporter in chief. those were not stats that i heard a lot in conservative circles at the time where it was about how ease yes was being and letting criminal illegal immigrants run wild but that is the fact. i think there is a very important debate going on here about the future of economics and building an economic system that works for average people. president trump's theory of the case is that if we close the borders, if we don't let as many people in from other places, if we get rid of the people who are here from other places, that that's going to create more opportunity for people in this country. that is not backed up by the research. the research says that immigration has been a benefit to the country. the research says that it is not reducing wages, that that is not the problem. but we are going through a massive economic transformation where we already have most of the jobs created in the country are low wage jobs and many of those are in danger of being automated out of existence, and the democratic party hasn't
spoken -- they haven't given an answer. so in the absence of an answer from the left that's compelling it's the fault of immigrants' argument has won the day. >> lisa: eboni, you look at places like australia and canada that have put limits on legal immigration. what about the president putting steps on merit based system. >> eboni: i have no problem with the merit-based system at all, lisa. it has had bipartisan support at one point or time. my issue right now in the way we are talking about and really the administration is talking about immigration it seems that we're conflating legal immigration and illegal immigration and they are two very, very different things as we all know. when i see legal immigration getting cut in half i'm concerned. someone against sanctuary cities and someone who doesn't believe that two wrongs make a right and i will get to that in a minute in my docket, we also need to fix legal immigration, right, so that people are not doing things just out of a defiance of law or pure desperation.
>> kat: lisa, you also brought up canada and australia. the merit-based system isn't what i have an issue with. they have merit-based system in that country. they accept double the amount of immigrants per capita than we do. i have an issue with cutting legal in half for there are 5.7 million job openings. unemployment is very, very low. we need people. we need workers. we should absolutely not be stopping people legally to work and contribute to society. >> lisa: this doesn't put a cap on how many legal immigrants that we accept into the country. there is no arbitrary number. i think thedy focusing more on the nuclear family as opposed to the extended family would reduce that number. but there is no arbitrary number. >> kat: they have been very open about wanting to cut legal immigrants. >> lisa: not a specific number. >> lisa: colonel, i want to get new here because i have seen your face. >> that was the goal. >> kat: jeff sessions has said openly in the past he wants to cut legal immigration.
he has said that. it's on the record. anyone can feel free to google it. >> have you a side show going on. the president got elected on the issue of stopping illegal immigration and kicking everybody out. finding out it isn't. this country is made great because of immigrants. this issue that i'm hearing right now is straight up a political diversification issue. we have got legal and security issue which we could get a handle on new york city, portland maine or miami it is not hard to do. we are just referring to do it. there is the wrong angle in my opinion to go after. going at the right side of immigration. the bad part is the 20 million that we don't have an idea where they are. >> i also think the merit-based. i do have a problem with the merit-based piece here. there is a very classist assumption that the people who have already succeeded are going to be the people that can succeed in the future. and ignores the fact that we have this belief in the american dream that anyone can come and make it and work hard, that it's not confined to wealthy elite few. so from that perspective, i think it's very contrary to the merit-based notion.
>> kat: i think it's disenginous to con freight are australia and canada. >> way more immigrants. >> kat: not the same. >> agreed. >> lisa: chicago is on pace for record number of shootings this year. rahm emanuel is suing the doj over policies that are designed to punish these hardened criminals. ♪ you need to let it go ♪ you need to let it go ♪ like this will happen. so let the geico insurance agency help you with homeowners insurance and protect yourself from things like fire, theft, or in this case, water damage. cannonball! now if i had to guess, i'd say somewhere upstairs there's a broken pipe. let the geico insurance agency help you with homeowners insurance.
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yes chicago is beating its own record with 409 killings so far for 2017. emanuel epitomize the political double talk, corruption and failed leadership that led many in our country for the first time ever to elect a nonpolitician or military person to the white house. yes, trump is largely our president because of political scum just like rahm emanuel. and i can't stand that emanuel's failed leadership is contributing to the destruction of families and communities throughout the city of chicago. now, instead of providing solutions for his hurting constituents, emanuel, instead, takes this moment to announce his plan is to sue the trump administration for threatening to withhold grant funds from his city because of his refusal to cooperate with president trump's crackdown on immigration. now, as much as i despise the politics that rahm emanuel is clearly playing in this critical moment, legally speaking, he does have a leg to stand on. here's why. see, the problem with conditioning federal grants
to sanctuary cities is that it stands counter to long-standing u.s. supreme court precedent that the federal government may not impose conditions on grants to localities unless the conditions are so unambiguous so that the states can decide whether or not to accept those funds. also, any such condition must be passed by congress. so, listen, there is a lot more on this legal showdown for both sides. clearly, we're gearing up for a major battle. now, colonel, that is my take on it. obviously i expect at some point the u.s. supreme court to have to weigh in here because so far we don't have a clear cut answer. clearly we see concerns and questions around federalism. but also the executive branches clear mandate around illegal immigration. >> my concern is i don't know how you feel about this. it was very low key. [laughter] >> eboni: i'm on the fence about it. >> very well -- >> lisa: strong opinion. >> very well done.
>> lisa: shy. wall flower. >> besides the four women here. this place is full of more -- than i have been around. the andrew napolitano. he said i heard him on fox, this is a nonissue. it doesn't make -- it doesn't get past the supreme court from what you just said. i think the problem is failed leadership in chicago. brand new president. wouldn't matter if it was republican or democrat. happens to be polarizing figure like trump and polarizing figure like rahm emanuel. the problem is citizens are being killed by the dozens every day in the middle of america and we're not stopping it and it is stopped in new york city, it was stopped in boston, it was stopped in miami and recently stopped in houston. inexcusable it's occurring. my concern can a the politics around it are causing it again, another side show for what is a real tragedy. >> eboni: absolutely, krystal, what is going on beyond chicago is tragedy
horrendous and unacceptable. that's separate. when we talk about this issue of illegal immigration and lawsuit that rahm emanuel is the first one we know of. we know they will come to california and other jurisdictions. what do you believe around the federalism state rights concerns versus president trump's mandate around this issue. >> i think local jurisdiction should have a lot of leeway in keeping their citizens safe. i think that conservatives have historically been very concerned about a bullying federal government pushing them to do things that they don't want to do and that they don't see in their citizens' best interest. so i think a counter perspective to what you laid out though in the fact that i think mayor emanuel here is really working to protect his citizens. if you ask law enforcement agents and police chiefs across the country, they will tell you they need to collaborate with immigrant communities and so if they become an arm of ice, then that erodes that trust and
communication. >> you are way too smart for this. the numbers alone make him a failure. how do you just say what you said. >> oh, no, no, no. no, i'm not defending the record in the city. but i'm saying that on the sanction area city policy, local law enforcement says this is part of helping keep citizens safe. >> fair enough. good qualifier. >> oh, please. this is political grandstanding from rahm emanuel. we will see this across the country. >> no, it's not. >> lisa: yes it is. we're going to see lawsuit after lawsuit. similar to what republicans did to president obama on a variety of issues. particularly in regard to immigration. i think this is political grandstanding by rahm emanuel. he should be focusing on. >> kat: would you think the same thing if it was the president. >> lisa: hold on. i think he should be focusing on illegality mass amount of murders see instead of promoting additional lawlessness. >> eboni: fine enough for you to think that. >> kat: in his own city?
>> eboni: lisa, i started with that, right? that doesn't take away a strong constitutional argument that is the basis for his suit. >> lisa: we're also talking about grant money and the federal government has a right. >> kat: congress does. that's how traditionally congress is supposed to be. if there is going to be conditions placed on grant money congress does that. not the executive branch. if we have a precedent set. conservatives might might not like that if there is a democrat in congress to put conditions on oh, if you allow conceal carry in your states, then we are not going to allow this grant. it's a dangerous precedent. i'm not willing to put the constitution in a bad position to disrespect the constitution because of the way i would feel about a particular issue. how i feel about this issue anyway is that i don't think that we should be be blaming the violence in chicago on the fact that it's a sanctuary city. i think those are separate issues. >> lisa: i didn't conflate those though. >> kat: they were in the segment together i am saying they are separate.
>> eboni: isis and the taliban joined forces in a deadly attack. massacre at least 50 people. that story and what it could mean for the war on terror. stay with us. ♪ am i loud enough ♪ you got to give it up ♪ give it up, give it up. or a. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily... ...and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk
>> kat: a dangerous new alliance in the middle east. afghanistan officials saying taliban and isis forces joined together to launch an attack there that left 50 people, including children dead. a taliban spokesman denies the joint terror attack as well as any civilian casualties. but the possibility of cooperation among the groups could escalate the threat of already dangerous enemies. colonel, go to you first on this. >> yeah. we have been fighting this for 16 years. >> kat: right. >> we are losing the war on terror. we don't care about it by the way because it's not the current president. and not a ratings issue. i'm glad we are talking about this now. we have had thousands of guys killed. tens of thousands wounded. hundreds thousand civilians and it's not over yet. strategy is we have no problem killing. we're very good at it we don't have a strategy. it hasn't worked. and by the way no one has been able to get out of afghanistan. the problem right now is 40% of afghanistan is backing taliban/isis control.
that's a conservative estimate. we have 10,000 soldiers there without a policy. and by the way we haven't had one for 16 years. it's just been kill them. >> lisa: can we win the war on terror. >> sure absolutely we can win the war on terror. a world war. can't be u.s. led. it can't be just killing. we have 65 million refugees in the world. 25 million are kids. have you got to appeared failed state and that kind of refugee issue as well as state sponsor of terrorism. we have been very good since 9/11 killing. it hasn't changed the war on terror and have to get at bigger issues. >> eboni: what are we doing around the ideology component? we know until we stomp that out we remain vulnerable. >> nothing. i'm willing to go after the ideology because religious issue. again, 65 million refugees, 25 million of those are kids. failed states we have afghanistan. if we are not careful 16 years from now we are going to be talking about a 32-year-old war. that can't be. >> lisa: also reports that iran is working together
with the taliban because they want to destabilize afghanistan as well. >> true. >> lisa: i think this president ran on simple answers and strong leadership is going to solve everything. these are tricky situations. we can't afford to take our eye off the ball on this one. >> kat: when you talk about 16 years and talk about the fact that utes backed country runs 60% of the country. conversations around afghanistan need to be focused on getting out. what have we done that has worked over there? how is our money spent or lives lost been worth it. >> i have got no issue with what you just said. want to feel good after that. the problem is still going to be terrorism. we need to leave people there to help train and fight terrorism. but changing governments in iraq and afghanistan hasn't worked. i don't mind us fighting the war. we are terrible, we suck at changing the country because we want them to look like democracy. >> kat: i'm going to quote you on that. >> eboni: i agree with him. >> doesn't know what to do
in syria. >> pay attention to russia. because russia is going to control it. >> kat: seems like we are not going to solve this now. >> eboni: on that happy note. >> kat: say goodbye to our specialists. colonel david hunt and krystal ball check out krystal's book and colonel hunt's book "without mercy. " ♪ ♪ thank you, thank you so much for joining us. up next, we have wait, what? don't go away ♪ ♪
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country club. you can hear a guest in the background saying oh my god he paused for pictures and talked to the lucky couple. it's safe to say guys, we can start calling him the wedding crasher in chief. >> eboni: is he making weddings great again. >> lisa: i wonder if he would officiate a wedding. >> eboni: of course he would. it's going to be huge. it will be great. i love that. >> eboni: all right. i will go next. so my way, what had he we literally over the weekend. literally that spot on. literally such a good fit. sex in the city, i was a big fan. cynthia the actress that played miranda hobbs she is literally in talks to run for governor of new york state. >> kat: seriously? >> eboni: that's why i was like wait, what? apparently we might have a sex in the city new york type of governor situation. >> kat: i kind of hope not. i don't like the show. i hate the show.
i know it's bad but i would rather watch south park than sex in the city. >> lisa: you might be the only woman in america. >> kat: i think i am. are you carrie or miren do. i couldn't last for 10 minutes. there was a dude in arizona tried to go on a little adventure and got lost and wound up stranded in the desert with three days only water and beer for three days. and he survived. you know. and so two things. first of all, i don't know if it's really a news story. that's my typical weekend only beer and water for three days. it does prove my point that beer is a food. i'm sick of people trying to tell me beer is not a food. it's made from grain. >> lisa: is that the worse case scenario. >> kat: beer and water? sounds like a nice saturday. >> lisa: i would want some carbs or something. >> eboni: has an orange slice in it. that's all the time we have for today.
we thank you for watching. make sure to follow us on social media at specialist on twitter and on facebook. remember, 5:00 will never be the same. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bret: this is a fox news alert. no amount of federal taxpayer dollars will help a city that refuses to help its own residents. that from the attorney general in a statement released just moments ago. jeff sessions firing back at the city of chicago over a lawsuit the city filed concerning its sanctuary city policy. the department of justice statement just out sessions saying this administration will not simply give away grant dollars to city governments that proudly violate the rule of law and protect criminal aliens at the expense of public safety. so it's this simple, comply with the law or forego taxpayer dollars. the trump administration's policy on sanctuary cities is stirring