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although it's coming down now. a lot of water starting to pick up some of the lower areas. the wind according to my wind meter are sustained 35 to 40 and gusting 50. again, we are still hours away. we talked to locals, it's the same for a couple of days that these kinds of conditions, they are going to worsen and stay for maybe as long as 36 hours. when you put those kinds of conditions into this type of area, you're going to have a loft damage and there's still worry about storm surge, as far as the storm moves, as it continues to drift west, the storm surge worry here lessons a bit although we are seeing the water kick off some of the jetties, guys. >> adam, thank you very much. julie. julie: we are joined by brock long, fema administrator to talk to us about everything going on in florida from power outages, storm surge, some of the deadliest effects of hurricane
this size, let's talk first about power outages because it really does speak volumes, people are already out of power and the hurricane hasn't even landed on shore yet. >> yeah, so you know, obviously the problem with this storm running south and north through the whole state, maximum radius winds are going through large portion of the state, power is going to be out and this is could be largest power outages the united states has seen in a long time particularly those in florida where millions without power for multiple days, if not weeks for some cases, it's all about setting citizens expectations. we will do everything we can to prestage, work with private sector energy partners to get the power on, but because of the forecast track here, people need to expect and do ready for the power to be off for same time. julie: the winds causing power
outages with power being knocked down and also trees coming down as well. we need to talk about the water because water and i'm talking about this massive storm surge as a result of the outer bands as a result of the hurricane, 80% of cyclone related deaths, storm surge and winds are biggest killers in the east coast here. talk about the storm surge being the greatest hazard since water actually killed more people than anything else. >> sure. you said it best. the wind-driven water encroaching shortly in in monroe county. the waters levels are coming up in monroe county and in portions of southwest florida, your window to evacuate is running out in southwest florida. the bottom line is you have to get out of those zones and into a facility they can withstand the winds and hopefully people are doing that. the other expectation that we have to set is that because of the logistical nature of being
able to access southwest florida or southern florida, you know, it's going to take some time before search and rescue crews can get into those in monroe county and some of those portions of florida, we are asking people to get out if you still can. julie: and there's still time. brunt is not suppose today hit until tomorrow morning and there are areas that have been told, if you don't evacuate. if the winds exceed 45 miles per hour, emergency crews are not going to come get you, this thing can blow through 36 hours, 36 hours being stranded somewhere with no help. i want to talk about you about the destructive potential of historic po portions that we are facing, without alarming authority at the same time we need to talk about reality here. okay, so irma, in fact, according to experts have told me will have hurricane charlie's winds potential, plus hurricane katrina's surge potential from 2005, nothing like the state of florida has ever seen before, do people truly understand the
magnitude of this storm there? >> unfortunately i don't believe all citizens understand the magnitude of what's about to happen. allows in warm water as forecast predicting will gain intensity and continue up to west coast and through the states. this is a different angle of attack. this storm is moving from south to north from the state. charlie came from a different angle, closer to port charlotte. basically monroe keys to tampa bay and around the panhandle in florida. julie: right. let's talk about the damage. it goes up.
category 4 hurricane provides four times. now, if you look at the way that this storm has sort of gone back and forth around the florida panhandle as it moves west, just because this hurricane is moving west does not mean that the east coast is going to be free of massive storm surge, as you loo. i ended up in orlando. what happens to the thousands and thousands of people that headed to tampa where they are now actually bearing down for potentially the worst conditions as a result of hurricane irma. >> so the worst place to be is in northeast quadrant of the
storm. that's where the maximum radius winds are, storms, intensity, the majority of the storm surge will occur and if i remember my numbers correctly, 80% of all landfall in hurricane, tornadoes and quadrant. but the safest place to be is outside of that storm surge zone and getting to inland area. you know, into a facility that can handle the forecasted winds not where the storm is currently but what forecasters are projicting for areas like orlando and tampa and the one advantage that florida had the 2001 building code. julie: yeah. >> after 2001 new construction was supposed to be built to category 3 standard, that's something to keep in mind as you're moving inland and trying to find a facility. you don't necessarily have to go hundreds of miles to seek safe shelter. julie: what brock is referring to after 1992 in hurricane andrew which had come in at
category 4 storm came in, it absolutely devastated parts of florida and the building code had to be changed specifically for the rooftop of a lot of the build that is are used, a lot have shingles and tiles that weren't properly nailed down and blue -- blew people's homes. let's hope peopling are heeding the warning, so far they have. >> not all buildings are up to code. julie: of course, not all. if you are in a building before 2001, be sure to not be inside the building when this thing hits. >> yeah. and pay attention to the forecast inland impacts as well. get out of the storm surge zone and that's the goal. your time to evacuate in monroe county is coming to an end. a lot of levels are coming up. get to high ground as much as possible. julie: brock long, thank you very much. appreciate it.
>> we are seeing high winds and waves, phil keaton in miami beach. phil, what's the scene right now? >> the strongest winds that are battering miami beach that we have seen all day long. we have been out here for ten hours. the rain is coming in and starting to feel like pallets on your face, tinny bit painful. everybody has run inside, there had been a few people on the beach. you can see the surf churning towards the -- churning towards the beach sign, treacherous, beach currents are a major threat. beaches closed for three days, dangerous to get in the waters right now. of course, everything is suppose today increase in intensity over the next 12 hours, not only for the east side of south florida but also the west coast and the keys, here is one critical piece
of advice told by the national hurricane center at the 2:00 p.m. choppers. take a listen. >> very concerned about storm surge, there's a potential for catastrophic life-threatening storm surge on the southwest coast of florida from cape stabel, flooding aboveground level certainly enough to ground somebody, water in the first floor of your home. if you live in the area shown in pink and asked to evacuate, please do so. >> that remains a very critical issue here for miami beach which is expecting anywhere from a 4 to a 6'storm surge over in tampa bay. perhaps tomorrow or the following day, it could be as high as 15 feet, so this is going to be a monster 4 category storm as it heads up through the keys and also the west coast of florida. keep in mind, all week long it
was supposed to go on the east coast of florida, all of the forecast models show the eye going right over miami, fort lauderdale, the major population centers, a lot of those people fled, evacuated hotels over in tampa, i know some of those people, they're now evacuating tampa, heading back to miami-dade, supposedly it's going to be maximum tropical storm forced winds and rain impacts here now, no longer category 1 but that is still possible and everybody who has been involved in the emergency operation center has really been stressing, look, it may not be a cat 4, 3 or 1 anymore for miami-dade, it'll still be very dangerous and winds speeds approaching 70 miles per hour. that also can be deadly. back to you. >> phil, we just heard from fema administrator about pouter
outages. >> 5,000 households, at least a minimum of 50,000 people without electricity all day and that's for miami-dade, broward and palm beach counties. duke energy provides central and north panhandle of the state, they released statement about an hour ago forewarning floridans that up to a million people, maybe even more may eventually at some point lose power and electricity during the storm before it's all said and done with because they're expecting significant damage and this could be days, weeks, possibly even months without power as was the case back in 2004, 2005, however the utilities have made great deal of improvement not only securing the line since that happened 12 years ago but also prepositions crews to respond just as soon as the storm is over, get out.
they will try to restore power and curfew at 8:00 o'clock and in effect in broward county, no one allowed in the street till tomorrow morning or further notice. >> phil keaton in miami, phil, many thanks. let's bring in senior meteorologist janice dean. >> 32-miles-per-hour gusts where phil is right now. showing the eye of when i irma,e have the tweet, guys, you can see the eye on coast of cuba. it disrupted things a little bit, the eye weakened but it's now forecast to become a very strong category 4 storm probably within next advisory which comes at 5:00 p.m., the folks in
florida know the famous labor day hurricane of 1935, it was one of three category 5's that made landfall in u.s. history and it's following a very similar trajectory to irma. folks there are -- need to be -- need to make final preparations because the labor day hurricane killed 500 people, i'm not saying that that's going to happen but it changed the coastline, we had trains submerged under water, this is the type of storm surge, the type of damage, the catastrophic damage that a hurricane like this can do along the west coast of florida. so this is a big hurricane, one that we certainly read about in hurricane history books and i do really believe that irma is definitely going to follow long suit and prayers and people are heeding those warnings, already seeing wind gusts at 60 miles per hour at marathon in the keys and hours away from landfall. we think sometime around 7:00 a.m., 8:00 a.m., you can
see, look at the well-defined eye, this storm is strengthening. the water in the florida straits are about 90-degrees and the fuel with these storms need is the warm water of the gulf of mexico, the florida straits and nothing in upper level of the atmosphere to tear the storm apart. ithas still maintained structure and i think that that's what we are going to see in next advisory with new track coming out. sea service temperatures, some of the warmest water ahead of it with nothing in its way, that's why we are concerned with the west coast of florida, that's vulnerable to 12 to 15-foot storm surge, houses could be submerged under water. tornado threat as well. really fore -- for the next several hours, the watches stack up across the state of florida. 17 million people by the way under hurricane warning. that is incredible and luckily we don't have any tornado warning storms now but the
threat will be on going. future radar, let's break it down for you. tomorrow morning 8:00 a.m., 7:00 a.m., a landfall across the keys as category 4 and then later on in the afternoon, in the evening, another landfall is projected around the fort myers, we are hoping that that's not the outcome but we look to history to see the type of damage that we could see. there's monday, some of the storm projections saying a category 3 for the florida panhandle, northern florida into georgia, the arrival of hurricane forced win gusts, there's the keys, that's around 6:00 a.m. on sunday, that's category 4, as we get into 6:00 p.m. sunday, category 4 around the tampa orlando area and the orange area is tropical storm, we are feeling tropical storm force wind. in the red shaded area, hurricane forced winds. monday at 7:00 a.m. into
georgia, hurricane forced winds and monday afternoon, i mean, this would be incredible to see a category 3 hurricane into the georgia area. here is the track, new one coming out in a few minutes and parallelling the coastline, julie, mike, this could be potentially catastrophic, we can't stress it enough. listen to your local officials. listen to your local officials and heed the warnings. mike: technology is great. this thing can shift and people have to be alert. it could change direction at a moment's notice. >> right now we are seeing the north ward turn. i'm hoping forecast is wrong but we have to plan to the worst right now and hope for the west because this is a worst-case scenario for the vulnerable beach coast along the west coast of florida. mike: janice dean all over it. julie: as irma takes aim at
florida 6 million people ordered to evacuate, people in the path prepare for what could be catastrophic surges and joining me by now florida congressman denise ross who represent 15th district, congressman, thank you. >> thank you, thanks for having me, i appreciate it. julie: i understand that you flew with hurricane hunters to survey on friday, what was that like? >> that was incredible, four hours in the hurricane, we did what's called where we saw four times in order to do founders to deflect data. it's an eye-opening experience to see the significance of this beast and how big it is and the damage that it can do and most likely will to. julie: the size alone, when somebody hears category 3, category 2, 1, the size of this thing is a monstrosity, the
numbers should not allude to a weakening or a downgrading storm. this thing you could fit two hurricane andrews inside it? >> absolutely. i will tell you. i was here in '04 when we had storms in succession and we had terrible damage. i hope that we have learned a lot from that. where i live projected to be on the northeast side as it comes through tomorrow night, we are preparing, everyone is preparing as native of florida, i can tell you this is a devastating storm and it's coming our way. julie: you sound that you're getting a bit emotional there. >> i worked with the eoc centers, i've been there, we had a quiet period for 13 years and this is greater than anything we ever thought would hit us and hits the spine of the state of florida, it doesn't come from
bottom half or top half or panhandle, this is the entire state of florida. 17 million people about ready to be evacuated. we are at risk greater than we have ever seen. i hope we are prepared. i hope we are prepared for recovery and we will see in 48 hours. julie: head inland, get out of evacuation zones, those are the two warnings everybody must heed, the shelters are there for a reason and officials are there. they have your back. congressman, thank you so much, dennis ross, i appreciate it, sir. mike. mike: julie heavy rains and high storm surge, how one flood prone city in florida is preparing for a massive hurricane right now. that's next cidents. boom. love it. [struggles] show me the carfax. start your used car search at the all-new carfax.com.
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>> flood prone city of jacksonville on high alert after irma is expected to drop heavy rain, storm surges also a big concern. the major of jacksonville joins us now on the phone. mayor, you ordered more than a quarter million people to leave at risk areas yesterday. are they cooperating? >> i would think so. we started the evacuation even before the mandatory, a couple of days ago we asked them,
strongly encouraged voluntary ones understanding the traffic flow in south florida and mandatory yesterday. so we hope -- there seems to be traffic movement. we are asking everybody to be safe. >> what are the biggest concerns in jacksonville at this stage? >> the big concern is the latest model has it moving to the west so, you know, there's social media buzz that some people may not be taking this as seriously as they were. this is still a major threat to our city, we went through matthew last year, serious damage, this is a much different storm, much more widespread throughout our city with major wind risks, canopies and trees moving, major threat here. we don't want the people to be come -- complasant.
>> how are your shelters moving along and is any room left? >> we have more capacity to open and may message to people that if you're in evacuation zone a or b or low-lying and you did not leave, get to a shelter. if you don't have transportation, our transportation authority will still be moving people through mud night tonight. >> you folks are no strangers to hurricanes, does this one, irma, feel much different? >> well, we went through matthew last year and what we thought was going to be a direct hit, it wasn't, thankfully it was still very severe, again, another very power force of mother nature that while we have models she's still unpredictable and prepare our shared stock and public safety workers, men and women are in the fields and put their
lives on the line and all cities ready and people are resilient. >> i'm sure you're not getting enough sleep these days. people take stuff seriously. >> hurricane forced winds, 80 miles long and as you get inland, serious winds. you could have a piece of debris , power line, flooding can happen at a moment's notice. i just want my people to take this seriously and my concern is that they see this model move
west on the weather that they're watching and the media outlet, they may not take it as seriously. >> we wish you and the good people of jacksonville the very best. >> god speed to everyone in florida. thank you. julie: ordering evacuations in the gulf coast. that's where people evacuated to when early models showed that miami was going to bear the brunt of this as hurricane irma shifts now. we will go live to tampa next.
julie: authorities expanding evacuation orderers to 6 million people as hurricane irma shifts towards the gulf coast threatening direct hit to city of tampa. live with more, hi, matt. >> reporter: julie, a devastating news for tampa, thought they would initially spare the worst, because irma shifted to the west it could see the worst of the storm, the governor warning there could be
13-foot storm surge here and tampa's fire chief telling irma is the worst hurricane to hit the city in a generation. here is more of what he had to say. >> in my 35 years of preparedness i have never seen a storm or system that's of this magnitude out and operating under this velocity. all special needs folks and vulnerability population, they need to have evacuated already because they are looking at a very horrific conditions. >> we are at water hole where lots of people who are sticking it out are stopping by for drinks. not everybody wants to be necessarily. christian, you're from miami, you drove north to escape the storm and now you guys are stuck here. >> that was the idea. the idea was to leave miami because everything pointed out that the hurricane was going to miami and now we are here but you never know what nature has in store for you, so -- >> where do you go from here?
>> back to miami hopefully. >> you will stick it out? >> actually we were in clearwater, evacuated and now luckily we found a hotel here and from here i guess we are going back to miami. >> christian, we wish you well. you wanted to get out of town and had flat tire and couple of things that went wrong and you will stick it out to help friends and loved ones after the storm. >> exactly. i tried three times to get out of town. i got a flat tire, i tried to pick up my youngers son up and his baby and get them out of town but then his car breaks down and then the third time there's an accident somewhere, i couldn't get passed it. apparently i'm not supposed to go so here i am. >> we wish you well. thank you very much for your time. >> be luck to everybody and be safe. >> you take care of yourself. >> while you are out there make sure you volunteer for everybody afterwards because everyone is going to need that. >> thank you.
you could probably sigh getty people who realize they are on fox news after a couple of drinks. julie, we will set it back to you in new york. julie: thank you very much, mike. mike: the federal government is ready as millions brace for hurricane when i rememberas' landfall. the president getting briefed on hurricane irma and josé as he hosts entire cabinet for the weekend. any statements from the president after latest briefing at camp david? >> not yet, mike, he was very vocal before he left telling the press and anyone in the storm's path that he believes the federal government is as prepared as possible for a storm of this magnitude. >> this is a storm of absolutely historic destructive potential. i ask everyone in the storm's path to be vigilant and to heed all recommendations from government officials and law enforcement. nothing is more important than
the safety and security of the people, we are doing everything we can to help with disaster preparations and when the time comes, we will restore, recover and rebuild together as americans. >> president trump left the white house for camp david yesterday where he will be closely monitoring hurricane irma from camp david along with the entire cabinet. all of them and their spouses at the presidential retreat this weekend, tax reform, infrastructure, immigration and north korea will almost certainly come up but hurricane irma and josé and harvey will be there top priority. mike. mike: we saw federal aid quickly to texas to prepare for hurricane's harvey's arrival, how soon impacted by irma expect to see disaster relief from the federal government? >> president trump surprised a lot of people in washington and angered a lot of republicans by
cutting a deal with democrats to raise the debt ceiling and approve a 15 billion-dollar relief package for all of the victims for hurricane harvey. he signed that bill at camp david yesterday. so this is really one of those rare cases where congress and the white house moved much faster than expected. it's also the first time that we have seen president trump really come out and side with democrats, reach across the aisle to get something done, perhaps a taste of things to come and that's the taste that a lot of republicans aren't going to like very well in capitol hill. mike: shock wave still being felt in capitol hill. kristin, thanks, julie. julie: miami issuing curfew, will begin at 7:00 p.m. tonight and run through 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. here to tell us how miami is getting ready for the storm, major héctor levada joins us on
the phone. thank you very much for talking to us. a lot of people have actually manage today get out of miami, others are going inland and getting out of evacuation zones, once they are there, they cannot leave after 7:00 o'clock tonight. tell us about the evacuation orderers and also these -- these curfews are in effect. >> the evacuation order was ordered by mayor and those came into effect over the last two days. we have been working hard to help the citizens in affected areas to get out of the area and get into shelter. as far as the curfew, i believe some of the municipalities have issued curfew. miami-dade has not issued a curfew at this time. julie: okay, for those who did not get out of mandatory evacuation zones, those mandatory evacuation zones were set up 48 hours ago, this is back when the hurricane was looking like it was going to be heading a bit more east ward and so that -- the impact in miami beach, not to be confused with the city of miami, downtown
miami, was going to be bearing much of the brunt of the storm, those evacuation orderers, evacuation zones, have they changed at all? >> no, they are still in effect because obviously the -- it's a volatile storm. we are not going to take this lightly. things can change in the drop of a dime. one of the things that we have to remember is not just winds and rain, the storm surge, the areas can be affected by the storm surge, that remains in effect right now. julie: we hate to talk about storm surge and this one is -- i mean, record breaking as far as the state of florida not only is it two times the size of andrew but the storm surge here 5 to 10 feet putting many coastal areas, both west and east coast under water and water is one of the most deadly, if not takes account for about 80% of deaths after a hurricane. what do you tell the people who live anywhere along the east or
west coast of the florida panhandle? >> well, julie, you're right. it's very dangerous. we only have to look to texas to see the tragedies that occurred there with the flooding, we need to take that very seriously. what i can tell the residents and the people that are listening, listen to your government officials, there's a lot of work that goes into this throughout the year, professionals that work in emergency operation, they know what they are doing, they have their plan and if they tell you to leave the area, you need to leave the area. >> okay, for those who do not leave the area, talk about the shelters because we have been hearing a lot of areas that the shelters are full, the governor has said if need be, they will open more shelters, at what point, at 7:00 p.m. tonight everyone has to be indoors, if there's a shelter in nearby area and it's full, what do you do? >> if you can't get to a shelter, the best thing to do at this point to hunker down and take the best precautions that
you can. right now we are starting to feel the effects of the storm. we've had a minder tornado, we've had trees down, live wires down. it's too late at this point at least down here in miami-dade county, stay where you're at, if you can't find a safe way to get to a shelter. julie: okay, for those that are evacuating tampa oddly enough to go south. should they stay there, should they even bother coming home, a lot of people that evacuated they thought if they hugged the west side of florida, they would be safe. the people in tampa that are staying in hotels are actually miami residents, would you advise them against driving south, is it too late to drive miami? >> every county has operation emergency center. listen to what they're telling you. it's not good advice to try to outrun the storm.
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mike: curfew in effect for broward county just north of miami as crews prepare for hurricane irma. more than 14,000 people are in shelters there. joining us now on the phone florida state senator gary farmer who represents eastern broward county, senator, why institute a curfew at of 4:00 p.m., was that designed to
get people to execute hurricane plan early? >> yeah, that's part of motivation. we want people to take it seriously and not procastinate and the other is open roads for service vehicles. i think people need that guidance and nudge to stay off the roads. trees come down. you are looking at serious safety issues. those are behind that. >> senator, what are you hearing about shelters in broward county, how are they holding up, is there any more room for those who decide today stay home initially? >> they are pretty maxed out, you know, we open some additional shelters, we were able to get additional volunteers to man those shelters. it looks like we've been able to
accommodate anybody looking for shelters. right now we are stretched up pretty thin. mike: do you feel like your coordination between federal and state and local authorities is strong? >> it seems to be working very well right now and i have to give floridans some credit. some of our concern over the last couple of days has been maybe sense of come complacencyt in. a lot of people haven't experienced it or they forget what it's about. i have to give floridans credit, they are heeding the warnings, taking them seriously, listen to the information and -- and we've had really good evacuation rates and great cooperation and, you know, i'm encouraged because a lot of what i've seen we had to evacuate our house, we were this the flood zone east of u-1 and had to get out of there and we have been traveling a bit and great sense of cooperation out there and people stepping up and bringing out the best in people, helping each other out and great
to see and proud of florida right now. mike: that doesn't mean folks in broward county should let their guard down, right? >> no, not at all. this thing -- first of all, these things can wobble and change at the last second as we all know. secondly the back part of the storm, the dirty part of the storm as they call it, significant winds, high rain, people need to take it seriously. it looks like broward and east coast dodged the bullet for sure in avoiding a direct hit but that's not any reason not to continue to stay hunkered down, stay indoors, we have the cur -- curfew in place for a reason. mike: how worried about you about irma? >> we are very concerned, monster storm, bigger, stronger than hurricane andrew was. thankfully it's avoided a route in the middle of the state but it looks like it's going to hit
land in the west coast and significantly populated areas, andrew for all its wrath hit an area that was less densely populated than greater miami and so we avoided more significant damage there. i fear for what's going to happen along the west coast. a lot of development areas, a lot of people living there. it's a real serious storm. mike: gary farmer, we wish you and constituent it is very best, sir, thank you. >> thank you, appreciate it. mike: julie. julie: social media becomes a powerful tool of hurricane irma and advise from those that felt raft of the path
hurricane harvey, that's alarming. julie: 9 miles per hour. faster it blows through the bigger the storm surge. that's the issue, is that when it sort of hovers over, i get the brunt of the rain. julie: we have team live coverage of hurricane irma all day here on fox news channel plus special two-hour edition, bill hammer will be coanchoring with me from tampa tonight. keep it right here. d real cream.
julie: fox news alert, hurricane irma expected to make landfall in florida tomorrow mourning but the effects of the powerful category 3 storm already being felt as 7 million people across multiple states had been told to evacuate. hello, everyone, i'm arthel. eric: hello, everyone, i'm eric shawn, 125-miles-per-hour winds which of course will get much stronger and produce massive storm surge that we have been reporting about. potentially devastating consequences through much of coastal part of the state. governor rick scott warning of just that, saying the waters in