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president's controversial remarks about the nfl. also tomorrow, hannity, big interview with steve bannon. president trump's populism as well. and way back, a fox news alert as metropolitan nashville police now confirm one person has died in a church shooting outside of nashville, tennessee. authorities say a woman was found dead in the parking lot at the burnet chapel church of christ in the town of antioch. seven other people including the shooter wounded. all but one of those people over the age of 60 as he pointed out, the fbi was running to the scene right now. they receive calls to the shooting a little after 11:00 a.m. central time. we were on the
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we will be watching this story throughout the afternoon. that includes the shooter and the fatality now in the parking up request will keep you posted. in the meantime we will break in right now to "fox news sunday". they give for joining us. >> thank you. chris wallace, "fox news sunday" already in process. delivering life-saving vaccines to children all right now. hello again from fox news and washington. we'll get to president trump's confrontation with pro athletes and a few minutes. but first the clock is ticking on the republican leaders deadline next saturday to dismantle obamacare and keep their promise to conservative
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voters. the bill needs 50 votes plus a tiebreaker from vice president pence.the majority took a big hit when senator john mccain announced that he will be voting no. the present attacking him and other republican senators for their opposition. jamie not to discuss where things stand we have marked short, white house director of legislative affairs. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you for having me. >> is this latest effort now dead? >> no chris, it is not dead. we are just days away from a final vote. we're trying to win over the support of the last couple senators. as you know, there is no democrat support the last time the senate 40 democrats opposed. that will be the same case this week. if we need to make sure that the last couple of republicans
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we went over to those republicans of course you nor john mccain, -- and rand paul. >> john mccain is a "no" are you suggesting that rand paul is also a definite "no". >> i think he is principled on healthcare and we hope that we can win his support. because you vote unable to actually provides real reform. when we get a chance to vote it doubles the ability to contribute to health savings accounts. and chris, when we get the ability to vote under the threat of the individual mandate, employee mandate and something is important to rand paul. that is life. this demonstration has stood for life in the bill protects the sanctity of life by denying taxpaying dolls going to fund abortions. if rand paul is the final vote here it is hard to see how he can go to his support and say i have the chance to protect life and instead i went the other way. >> but, rand paul has made it clear he wants to repeal obama care. he says and in fact, the bill does leave a lot of obamacare including all of the taxes in
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place, he calls it obamacare light. >> i think that the support that he has given in previous efforts we support as well. as you recall last time there was a boat on a simple rico measure that failed 45 to 55. the president said he would have supported the put choices right now are continue obamacare, continuing crushing american people with higher premiums, less coverage for the option of a new path. something that has not been told the american people. you cover the amount of ratings, errors in 190 percent in four years. alaska 203 percent in the last four years. you have covered the loss of insurance. there is one insurer left in half of the states.and next year, new taxes go into place. anyone has a healthcare plan gets another tactic added on! >> all right let's assume that they mean what they say and senator john mccain and paul r "no". that means you have get everyone else, a number that are uncommitted or leaning to "no" like susan collins business with the president
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said at his rally on friday. >> the most it will be as one or two votes short. you cannot but we have one or two votes short. can't do it. and those people are not going to be liked the communities that they come from. >> you have got one week left. next saturday, are you going to change the bill to try and persuade some of the uncommitted to come back and if so? how will the bill be changed? >> i don't think there will be significant changes. we have been trying to refine the formula. were taking dollars out of washington d.c. and have each state gets the resources as being continue to try and perfect the formula. and will continue to have conversations but we have learned that it is a utopia notion that washington knows best how to handle healthcare for that has proven to be a disaster. we want this handled back by each state. we think everything is a winner
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including maine and alaska because the governors will have the ability to divide -- >> you know 34 states get less money than they are currently getting. about 14 or 15 get more. but i want to go to the merits of the bill for late-night t.v. host jimmy kimmel has become a big part of the debate after he talked about the fact that his son needs major heart surgery. he says that one of the bill sponsors, senator bill cassidy is misleading people about what is in the bill. here he is. >> he said he wants coverage for all, no discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, lower premiums for middle-class families and no lifetime caps. guess what? the new bill does none of those things. >> mark, it is jimmy kimmel right?graham cassidy does none of those things? >> no, this bill continues to protect pre-existing conditions. bill cassidy is a doctor, his wife is a doctor. they know how this is structured. they are exactly right.
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i want to go back to the point you made about winners and losers. because the reality is today chris, over 30 percent obamacare goes to california and new york. it is not a level playing field. >> there are 34 states! >> nearly equal population in florida and texas get less than 10 percent. it is not equitable now so what we are doing -- >> is because some refused to expand medicaid's and others didn't? 34 states will lose money. >> that is not accurate 34 states will lose money. when you distribute the dollars based upon population are state that the obamacare already made winners and losers. we are leveling out the playing field. that is not under my view. >> they get less money than they would have under obamacare. and the reason that they are going to get less is because they, it was not that the obamacare launches winners and losers it was the states chose. they decide whether to go with that or not. i just want to press on this point of pre-existing conditions. because the republican bill
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says states can get a waiver. let's put this up on the screen. states can get a waiver from obamacare protections if they explain how the state intends to maintain access to and is the key phrase, adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions without ever explaining what adequate and affordable coverage is. on the next page, the graham cassidy bills is that yes, states can increase -- as a loophole that you can drive a tanker!>> you want washington d.c. choosing the rates across the nation for also subfactors? that is a different situation pre-existing conditions. this guarantee is pre-existing conditions. >> it doesn't! forgive me sir, it says that all they have to do is give me a federal waiver that they have adequate and affordable coverage without ever explaining what adequate and affordable coverage is.
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it is not a guarantee! >> is a guarantee to everyone of the states. >> but what is the definition of adequate and affordable? and what does it mean when a state can raise premiums? >> that is again, a separate question. do you want washington d.c. dictating across the country what those rates are for everybody regardless? >> what is insurance coverage if you cannot afford it? >> you are also provided additional financial support to the state so they can make sure the rates stay low for different individuals in different classes including those with pre-existing conditions. >> there is no statement as to how much that will be. in fact, it says states can raise premiums for coverage for pre-existing conditions without any guidelines. there is no question it will be higher in some states and is under obamacare. >> there will be some states higher in some states lower. you want washington d.c. -- >> your pre-existing conditions in a state is higher than you are out of luck.
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>> now! you will make sure that benefits lower cost for individuals. it does not mean that everyone will have a lower premium because that is not what we are doing. we want states to determine that for their own people. >> i want to switch now. the white house and congressional republicans are rolling out your tax reform plan this week. i want to ask you about two specific items.senate republicans have agreed to a tax cut that would amount to $1.5 trillion in lost revenue per lower revenue over the next 10 years. whatever happened to the balanced budgets? >> the party of balanced budgets in the white house after submitted a budget that balance every 10 years. the administration continues to be committed to making sure that we are being fiscally responsible. >> with a tax cut that adds $1.5 trillion to the national debt? >> it allows for in short-term decreased urine provide growth that we think we will get more revenue in the long term to the economy. there is a large debate that
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you know between scoring and the dynamics going in many cases shows more significant growth. the congress uses. you have to allow for that in the short term. what we are doing is any economy grow. been struggling for too long. it is dismal. we have to turn it around. the president has begun to do that. when we lower taxes you will continue to see the economy grow at significant rates. >> the president also said recently he wants to cut taxes and the middle class. not necessarily for the wealthy but the new report out this weekend says that this plan is going to cut the top-30-6 percent to 35 percent. wanted the spokes of the very top need another tax break? >> nothing to do. if president is focused on middle-class. when the president is doing is eliminating the reduction that most often the wealthy take advantage of. any others not get the chance. our textbook picks winners and getting rid of the
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deductions then people with a higher income will have to pay more taxes. therefore we are not only lowering the rate for this. so there shall be 35 percent. >> no, sir, i am not saying that the president will have to sign off on that and make an announcement with final numbers. plus i want to ask about racial controversy that the president has gone into this week that is friday the president went after players like colin kaepernick who take any during the playing of the national anthem to protest the state of race relations. here is the president on friday. >> would you like to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag? say get that -- off the field right now, he is fired! [applause] fired! >> then on saturday, the president pulled back an invitation to the golden state warriors in response to stephan curry to come to the white house when they win a championship and lebron james tweeted this to the president bomb! stephan curry already said he
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ain't going so therefore, ain't no invite. going to white house was a great honor on so you showed up. does the president regret reopening the racial wounds started after this? >> i do not think he is reopening racial wounds. i think there are two separate issues. one is at all across america school coaches are getting punished for leading their players in prayer. they're getting punished and disciplined for asking place to pray. yet the nfl, play the take any overinflated many of our generations preceding us have died to protect the freedoms there, they somehow get honored as martyrs by the media. the president is pointing out that it should not be accepted. they have a first amendment right to do that but medical owners also have the right to find those players. separately, let's talk about the stephan curry invitation of the white house to the present already close to the patriots. the clouds, the clemson tigers.
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all great ceremonies. stephan curry is a phenomenal basketball player he is a great story. in many cases a role model for young kids. my son wears his jersey around the house all the time!he went to a small school with a top division i. he works hard. -- one of the best players in the nba. he is injected the politics into the invitation to come to the white house for that is what the president is reacting to. other national championship teams have come to white house honorably. they're trying to make an issue of this. the president said fine, don't come! >> but this always has a racial component. these are black players. they're talking about, these are black players talking about the state of race relations in a country. they are not burning flags, they are not chanting, they are simply taking a knee. you can argue whether or not it is a right or wrong thing to do. >> i think there are ways to show your concern and social activism without having to design of the flag.and i think that the president is not
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looking at this racially good there plenty of african-american abbeys on old national championships that the president welcomed to the white house, chris!they're the ones you chose to make a political issue out of this. >> want to put up one more tweet. this is from the president in 2013. let's put this on the screen. this was during the controversy of the washington redskins and president obama. this is a tweet from donald trump and julie pace. the president should not be telling the washington redskins to change the name focus on them, not nonsense. when you're trying justly to get votes for healthcare, at a time when you are rolling out tax reform, does the president really need to get into a fight with stephan curry and lebron james? >> i think that we have a lot of priorities. it is not just healthcare it is also tax reform and foreign policy issues. i think the president is focused on the issues and continues to measure the white house is. >> so should the president give
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the same advice that he gave to barack obama? >> i will let the president decide. there are a lot of people who condemn the president's tweets with have proven very effective so far. >> mark, thank you and thank you for joining us.we'll focus on what happens to the senate healthcare this week. thanks. >> thank you.tness up andnext we will bring our pa to discuss repeal and replace. in more controversy that the president has stirred up over players merely for the national anthem.
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>> when people you see on television are taking a knee during the national anthem -- >> the present going to a new controversy as he condemns
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players that protest during the national anthem. it is time now for our sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, columnist for the hill, juan williams, julie pace washington bureau chief and the associated press and kimberley strassel of the wall street journal. the president's comments about and if a player is not standing for the national anthem has reopened the racial controversy that we have seen since charlottesville and the protests there.and mr. trump has kept at it this morning for this is what he tweeted. at beneful fans refused to go to games until players stop disrespecting our flag and country, you will see change take place fast. fire or suspend? juan williams, where is is headed? >> going into the season i do not be surprised if there is expression. not just players but fans we saw in boston, someone in alabama that said racism is just american has baseball. i think there is a discussion
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of race in the country and of course, the owners have the right to fire or not hire colin kaepernick or whoever they choose. over the president denies this to be speaking of about firing espn anchors? now about firing medical players? two disinvited stephan curry, it seems to me that he is now injecting himself in politics and sports as a way that we've not seen recently. we know about mohammed ali going back to jackie robinson. and by the way, the judge to be made by colin kaepernick is not popular. i think that donald trump can be effective in terms of speaking to a base of people that think that colin kaepernick is wrong. and by the way, i think that colin kaepernick, is not something i would do. but his right and the fact that he is speaking out about something of substance. in terms of the relationship between police and the black community, the black lives matter movement. it seems to me it strikes a
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chord with people while donald trump is playing politics. politics in a way that i believe is very divisive and hurtful. especially after charlottesville. >> i think it is fair to say that mr. trump looking objectively at the numbers has some of his lowest ratings in public polls and is handling race relations at a time when he is pushing and desperately needs to get a win this week on healthcare. when he will roll out the new tax plan. does he really need to have this fight?>> it was not the best time to have this fight. he has got healthcare, focus on tax reform and woman saying that he is out there doing this push for tax reform in particular. importance of the role of the president keeping an american for the country focused on this and getting behind the republican congress and doing it. that being said, i don't necessarily think this is the president talking about race. this is the president, this is an issue is 7030. americans do not like to see people kneeling and disrespecting the flag. something about this in terms
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of the flag. >> we are talking about black players making a statement about black and race relations in the country. it is a race issue. >> record except that i think many more people view this as disrespecting the flag. yes, i guess it is a racial issue but as mark said earlier of the other ways that you can in fact, voice your disapproval with the racial situation without making this about the flag? >> are problems with it what he is doing also but the people in power do not do so people protesting what is the right way to protest. >> i am not saying they do not have a right to do it. everyone has the right but the fans do not have to or are not obliged to like it.or go to the games! and watch this. >> karl rove? >> the president has two assets, his time in his voice. this president wasted this when he engages in things like this. we have an argument over whether meryl streep doctors are not. and now he is enjoying this
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fight much to his own disadvantage. he is in the middle to the fights and this distracts from it. there are better ways for the president, i was struck by a line in his speech in new york last week. at the you and he said, we aspire to the approval of history few what if instead of standing up and swearing at them, he said i understand everett to do this. but we stand in respect of flag not because of america's imperfections but because we are constantly as a nation aspiring to the approval of history. we salute the flag because of the struggles and the sacrifices of generations of americans to make this a better country. and that is where we stand and salute the flag and while we put our hand over our heart. and he could have come away as a winner. but he is walking away from this a loser in the minds of the american people for exactly the reason that you pointed out. he was against the federal government and against the government interfering in
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telling the washington redskins what the name should be. everything fire the people if they do not stand and respect the flag. he is an aspirational figure. he should not be a condemnatory figure. >> spoke about healthcare. which is what should be, the real focus to me. and the president, is he stepping on his own message here? here's what he said friday night about john mccain delivering a real blow to this bill. taming is not going to go for it. >> john mccain, you look in his campaign. his last campaign was about repeal and replace, repeal and he decided to do something different. and that is fine. and i say we still have a good chance. >> julie? you have a chance to it was very interesting to me that you had mark short, the man in charge of counting both at the white house somehow thinking he is going to be able to change rand paul's mind and grandpa has been really strong on this saying i'm not going for it and what about potential changes? >> it is interesting i've been
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hearing that from white house official the last couple of days give their three senators on the table right now. white house officials think that rand paul is actually the senator that they could potentially flip here in the next couple of days. it's interesting because he is actually been a hard "no" while others are leaning toward "no" are still studying the velvet rand paul is one of said he is very forceful on this. i do think it is hard to see what they could put into this lesson is to get rand paul to flip. because he says it does not fully repeal obama care. you want that want to be completely wiped away. there will be a lot of changes you have to make that could potentially flip other senators in the process. now i think -- is possibly still on the table for flipping. collins this morning looking like she is going to be a strong "no". there is the window here but it is tiny right now. i think they have a lot of work to do in the next couple of days. >> have about 30 seconds and i
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want to give this to you kim because i know you think this could be a big mistake for the republican party if after seven years they do not repeal and replace obamacare. because it is a disastrous is not just going to affect healthcare either. they will then again have another debate going to the tax reform debate. they will not be unified in this does not look well for the other parties. >> now things get person between the president and the leader of north korea. and the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. plus, what would you like to ask the panel of our special counsel mueller's --
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little "rocket man". we will do it because we really have no choice. >> president trump keeps taunting kim jong-un at a campaign rally in alabama friday night. we are back now with our panel inlets give you the latest from the confrontation with north korea. us bombers moved off the coast of north korea saturday. this is the furthest north over to the east of north korea in the ocean. this is the furthest north they have gone this interview north korea's foreign minister fired back at the president at the united he is. >> donald trump, a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency. a person who is chastised by american by -- president evil. >> and the president tweeted in response, if the foreign
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minister echoes thoughts of little "rocket man", he will not be around much longer. is there a strategy here? >> great question! people at the state department and nsc do not find that the trade of personal insults to be helpful but within the president's circle political advisors of the white house, they are pretty willing to let him take this road. they think that it shows that he is not going to be cowardly he will give it back to them, he will not back down. and the actual nuclear problems, will it solve it, no? we are seeing that they are not backing down due to sanctions from the un and peers that would leave the trump administration in the exact same position that the obama administration was in at the end of the president obama's tenure which is you are looking to china, hoping that china
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takes some steps that they will put the engines on but they are not going full throttle and basically the administration is stuck right now. >> kim, how do you think that the president is handling this? both this rhetoric that we knew would come from kim as well as from an american president. also the handling of the diplomatic and economic situation, especially in enchanted to try and tighten the noose around north korea. >> must step back and remember what the point of that speech was. the united nations speech. it was to get the attention of china and russia. i think he certainly did that. albeit tension has been there but the goal of the ministration is to go in and say there is a new sharpened town. this is not the obama administration and we will act if you do not go in and police your own area. then we will do it for you. i think that it is certainly the message got across and combined with new sanctions.
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i think that the people to watch are in fact china and see whether or not they get a lot more serious because that is a weak link right now in terms of actually bringing down north korea. >> and even though dontravious talking about military action when you talk to officials at the pentagon of state department there pretty candid about the realities of a military action. they do not see that is where this is going right now.>> i want to turn to another big story and that is how aggressively we found out this week that special counsel robert mueller is pursuing his investigation into russian interference and the election. we learned that the fbi agents did not, they picked a lock when they stormed into the office of paul manifort. the former campaign chairman for donald trump while paul manifort was asleep in his home and then prosecutors told paul manifort that they planned to indict him. we ask you for questions for the panel in here is what we got on facebook from rhonda warren. she writes, i know that
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investigations like this can start with one thing. and they often lead to others but what kind of controls are in place to make sure that it is not a witchhunt?this is someone who is the subject of a probe in the -- case how would you answer this? >> in this particular instance with the fbi, they had to have specific permission to pick the lock and had to go before a judge and get a warrant and justify that action. and they would basically have to prove to the judges there was a high expectation that paul manifort if they knocked on the door would be destroying evidence. if they did not have immediate access that there could be a risk. >> are you okay with that? >> i feel the judge had to be convinced. let's step back. i do not think the president has much exposure. i don't think he is an exposure on collision. i find it hard to believe that robert mueller would try to make the case that it was
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obstruction to buy the fbi director. the president can fire anybody but i do think that paul manifort and michael flynn in real exposure. not on things that currently connected with the campaign. paul manifort has to do with his work on behalf of the ukrainians and russian influencers. and michael flynn has levels of having taken money from foreign governments. so paul manifort is quickly in the crosshairs. >> i don't think there's anything to flip on. donald trump jr. has a problem. i do not think it gets him into legal difficulties that he has an optics problem with saying that took the meeting with the russians it will give his best stuff and there is mention of government official or government officials in there but they give nothing from it. but i do not think that -- classes have the president dealt with the russian controversy during the rally in the alabama. >> russia did not help me. that i can tell you.
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any russians in the audience? are there any russians in the audience? i do not see too many russians. he does know how to make a speech. >> let me tell you, he is great! one of the odd things the speeches that he is at the nfl's having trouble people are working me. >> your thoughts on how aggressively robert mueller is pursuing this? >> is very aggressive and do not forget in addition to the incident that paul manifort has a lock picking of increased demand for documents from the white house by this team. the documents seem to relate directly to the environment of paul manifort and the firing of michael flynn peer potential for obstruction of justice in terms of how the description, the rollout on this meeting that took place on june 2016 and how it was handled. you have that ending of the white house. maybe this is lewis look at it chris. they have been attacking james comey's credibility pretty aggressively suggesting that
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because of the leaked documents he violated some kind of confidentiality and maybe the justice department should go after him. >> to be continued. thank you panel we will see you next week. up next the exclusive interview with microsoft founder bill gates.on the foundations remarkable efforts to save millions of lives. we will also find out what kind of smart phone he uses. anges and over-the-counter treatments, anges but my symptoms keep coming back. it turns out i have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that's really frustrating. that's why i talked to my doctor about viberzi... ...a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both abdominal pain and diarrhea at the same time. so i can stay ahead of my symptoms. viberzi can cause new or worsening abdominal pain. do not take viberzi if you have no gallbladder, have pancreas or severe liver problems, problems with alcohol abuse, long-lasting or severe constipation, or a bowel or gallbladder blockage.
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foundation is the world's largest charitable fund. since it started back in 2000, the foundation has given more than $41 billion in grants for public health and development. and more than 100 countries including the us. it is no overstatement to say they have saved millions of lives. this week while the un general
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assembly is meeting in york the gates foundation held his first goalkeepers summit to track what it has gotten for each dollar spent so far and to enlist volunteers including world leaders to help reach goals out to the year 2000. i sat down with the microsoft cofounder to discuss with the gates foundation has done and the challenges it still faces. >> mr. gates, welcome to "fox news sunday". >> thank you. >> one of the keys to your foundation is that you push a business model. measurable goals return on investments, returned in this case being lives saved. by this kind of metrics important? >> i have been lucky enough to my success and the unbelievable generosity to be at a foundation with my wife where we have a lot of resources but it is nowhere near what the government has but we have a responsibility to make sure this morning as the impact that
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we partner with governments taking on hiv, tuberculosis, malaria. all of these things that explain the inequity that a child in africa is 100 times more likely to die than a child in the us or europe. >> let's talk about child mortality because it is such a dramatic and clear example. in your goalkeepers report you to have this chart which shows that over the -- the children under the age of five that dies goes from 11 million to 5 million. then you project up to 2030 under three different scenarios. explain the significance of those three different outcomes and in terms of lives lost or saved. >> this is the first time that the field has been able to take our progress and not only track where we are but also look at the possibilities for where we will be 15 years ahead.
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so we said it is all of the countries adopted the best practices, they stay very generous in giving and we show this is the best case. then we take just business as usual and then we take a case where people pull back. where they are saying that they do not care as much about other countries and things there and that there is less money, less r&d, less adoption best practices. we show that it is quite a range. >> it is more than a million young people in 2030 that either live or die. specifically the difference in terms of the various scenarios. what is it that would not be getting there if people do not continue to contribute or even act? >> the best example is vaccines. they're fairly expensive. about $10 per child to get vaccinated. it is money that denies this and you taping the most
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generous that by the vaccines at the lowest possible price and get them out to all of the world's children. and so the coverage keeps going up and if we can get some new vaccines into the mix and at the coverage level which is 80 percent up to 90 percent then we achieve that very best case where more than a million lives per year of less kids will be dying by 2030. >> that brings us to us government funding.which president trump is proposing to cut by almost 1/4 in terms of global health funding. what would that mean in terms of either lives saved or lives lost? >> we took hiv and we modeled with even just a 10 percent cut would mean. it is an additional 5 million deaths between now and 2030. >> 5 million deaths?
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>> 5 million total over that time. you're either winning by getting less and less people to be infected and they infect less people or you are losing and in fact, the aids cohort at risk is age 16 to 25. there is twice as many kids now in that population range as there was back when hiv first hit. and so the miracle of getting those drugs out, if that is not fully funded until you get a vaccine then the death rate will go back up and reach new records. >> in his speech to congress in february, the president said this. >> america must put his own citizens first because only then can we truly make america great again. >> and in his budget announcement he added that it is time to prioritize the security and well-being of
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americans and ask the rest of the world to step up and pay its fair share. given that us taxpayers at this point are basically putting up one third of the government funding around the world, the global public health does not, doesn't the president have a point and isn't there a case to be made that the us should cut back and other countries should step up? >> the united states is not given percentagewise as much as the european, germany, sweden, norway, they get three times as much as a percentage of their economy. >> total dollars but a percentage? >> of the economy. yes which is used as the metric. us has a huge economy and what we have given is phenomenal. we also find a lot of research. that is very important into
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creating new tools. if we back off, from the commitments that we made under the president bush. the hiv and malaria work come from his initiatives. then it would be tragic for these countries, for the stability, for having a health system to be able to stop -- so people like secretary james mattis said if you cut development budget you have to spend more on bullets because you are simply not they are averting these problems of instability. >> one more question about president trump. you have met with him as president-elect in december. you met with him again in march. just after he had put out his budget. how do those conversations go? >> had an opportunity in november and march to share with him my optimism that innovation in many areas,
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particularly lily's global health issues and also on energy, that the us could benefit and trying to see if the intervention was something that resonated with him because i think it is such a good deal both domestically and for all of humanity. we talked about vaccines and how they are miraculous. talked about different programs. i am hopeful that it was enlightening to him. >> but did not have the impact that you hoped. >> in terms of the first budget, that he came out with no. that was a disappointment. it was taking a medical research budget, bring that down fairly dramatically, taking the aids programs. including an ongoing hiv commitment. definitely i was disappointed in that. >> and he explained that to you? >> i've not seen him since that came out. they were rumblings that was
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happening. he encouraged me to meet with various aids including the office of management of the budget. you think the administration, i do not think that they understood how difficult hiv is and what it means if you cut it back.we will see both in terms of the acceptance of what congress does and their budget i am told it is much more generous in these areas. >> want to talk about congress because you're not pushing them to put this morning back into the budget. you admit that you and other folks like you have not done as good a job as you could in making the case for this product in a moral sense that you have. would you say not necessarily the practical sense? event terms of national security. so explain why you think this is so important in terms of what you call solvable human misery. >> is always a problem when
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this is far away. visa malaria and hiv in the neighborhood people would volunteer the resources. that is why it was so phenomenal when president bush said these drugs cause $100 per year. this is going to work to try and make sure no one dies because they lack those drugs. whether this is instability that leads to migration lake central america not being stable and so that creates huge pressure on the borders, a challenge for everyone. for africa itself where the population will more than double peers stability in the world can either be done militarily or it can be done by making sure that the food and health and education is there, all these countries want to be self-sufficient.they do not in the long run want a piece of countries like india are now reaching out that they are not a significant they'd recipient. many have graduated and so now
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we need to take the tougher case is a ladder, and africa and continue to uplift them until they get out of the poverty trap. >> we do not speak you often so take advantage of this and do a lightning round. quick questions and answers. you are the leader of the giving pledge. getting billionaires to donate at least half of their wealth to charity. to causes like this. how many people have the dr. sign on and how much money are we talking about? >> it is 170 people. it is amazing. you never expected to get that many. the vast majority are from america. we spent more time talking to people. they are giving to a number of causes. education, scientific research, but we need or we share experiences. we learn from each other in the goal is to have the quality and the amount of charity go up. many countries are envious of
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how strong the prediction is in the united states. >> finally, you had a famously contextualized relationship with steve jobs. 20 think of the new iphone and what kind of phone do you use? >> actually, the relationship i had with steve was at every aspect you can imagine. particularly in the last few years. our friendship which had always been there was greatly strengthened. he was dealing with cancer, he had done such wonderful work at both pixar and apple and you know he and i have a lot in common. we were different in some ways. and so you know steve was a genius, absolutely amazing!it is great that apple is continuing to do good work. i happen to use all windows-based pcs. the phone that i have i actually did switch to an android phone with a lot of microsoft software. but the competition in the software and it space that steve helped to foster, it is
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phenomenal and microsoft is a big part of that. it has been a miraculous industry that we got to work in. >> no iphone? >> no iphone. thank you. >> thank is a pleasure talking to you. please keep up the good work, sir., our power players of the week. it is one thing to say that you want to save millions of children. but how do you get life-saving medicine to some of the most remote places on earth? you will meet the innovators who came up with amazing solutions.
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>> one thing that we learned at the gates foundation conference is how hard it is to match good intentions with practical
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solutions. since the year 2000, the foundation has helped immunize more than 600 million children. but how do you keep vaccines at the right temperature, 40 degrees fahrenheit to be effective in remote parts of the world?we met an inventor and engineer should came up with remarkable solutions. and they are our power players of the week. >> i've met mothers who carry their children several climbers to be there to get vaccines. but all too often, they find out when they get there the refrigerator is broken. the vaccines are spoiled and they wasted their time. his of problems i want to address and we did that by building a better refrigerator. we call this the better fit in here it is. >> the first child wanted to address was how to keep vaccines called when the power is going out.the whole top of the fridge is full of ice. our innovation was to add this. when it is activity you can see this heat being sucked out of the vaccine chamber moved up
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through this into the icebox where it stays over a long period of time. this technology allows us to keep the vaccines at exactly the right temperature really stable without power at all. >> what happens when children can't get to a clinic? the gates foundation had to come up with a way to deliver vaccines to the 50 percent of children that they serve in africa who live in villages with no electricity and no cars. >> was really need is vaccine carriers that have no need for any ice at all. this is the indigo vaccine cooler. it does but nothing else in the world currently does. this will keep vaccines at the right temperature for long periods of time with actually no ice, no batteries and no electricity needed during cooling. no infrastructure at all. it's really easy to use. when you want to make the cooling start, open the chemical valve like this. and the cooling starts. waves, cooling, pull it out.
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but how do we do this? we start with something like this. it limits the method of heat that comes into the unit. and then instead of adding us to make a call, we actually have an internally built layer of water on the inside that we give it a very low pressure which makes the water evaporate at a very low temperature. five degrees celsius. the perfect temperature for vaccine storage. >> glenn is a nurse and vaccinate her where only eight of 21 health -- where they have any form of refrigeration. >> -- now this month, in september they expect to be able to reach 120 vaccination size to to the capabilities of this cooler. our goal is to reach all investigators and give them this point technology in order
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to vaccinate all kids. >> if you want to learn more about the gates foundation and an x extra nerve work please go to our website "fox news sunday".com thank you for joining us we will see you next sunday. >> the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. "rocket man" is on a suicide mission for himself. and for his regime. >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. that was president trump tuesday in his first address to the united nations general assembly. when he took on north korea and other rogue regime


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