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be with him on the hill tomorrow for his first real day back at work and we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00. we thank you for being with us tonight. tucker carlson is up right after this. that's "the story" for tonight, we will see you tomorrow, everybody. at a good night. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. a horrific attack in las vegas has become the single deadliest mass shooting in this country's history. more than 500 are injured after a gunman, a retired accountant perched in the mandalay bay window and opened fire on the country music concert. [indistinct]
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>> tucker: our own trace gallagher is a las vegas semite on top of the developments as they come in. trace. >> we now know there are four crime scenes, the mandalay bay directly behind me, the concert venue as well as the home of the suspect, stephen paddock in mesquite nevada with to mike about 75 miles north of here. reno, nevada, in the process of being rated. the sheriff's department also told us they found 18 guns inside at home in mesquite along with numerous explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition. inside the mandalay bay we now know that they found 17 guns, 16 rifles and a handgun and we should note it is still very unclear how many of those guns were converted to automatic weapons, the sheriff would not say. we should note the sheriff did say that over the course of several days this man was actually bringing suitcases in
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of ammunition and weapons up to the room. remember, he was in that room for four days and this attack took significant planning. it was a two bedroom suite, he hammered holes into of the windows to give him better aim at the concertgoers below. we should also note that he bought some of the guns legally in arizona and others legally and nevada. his family says that stephen paddock has no religious affiliation, no political affiliation and when they were asked about motivations they didn't really say, they described him as a millionaire saying he owns homes in florida, and texas, in nevada and that he owns an airplane he does very well, he's a retired accountant. they also note that the sheriff was asked tonight that he has gambling debts, a severe gambling habit and we know that over the past three or four weeks he made at least four or five separate bets totaling upwards of 20,000 or $30,000. what we do not know is whether or not he won or lost those
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bets. was asked if that might be part of the motivation and he did not comment on that. we should also say that the girlfriend in this whole case, marilou danley, she seemed to be dismissed earlier in the day when the sheriff saying she was not part of this crime at all. and tonight's press conference we learned that she is in tokyo and the sheriff's department would desperately like to talk to her to find out exactly what she knew about all of these guns and any planning that might have gone into this horrific attack, the worst mass shooting in history at the mandalay bay behind me and the concert grounds about 400 yards across the street from the hotel. >> tucker: really quickly, a lot about the story doesn't make any sense at all, at least from our perspective, are the authorities were talking to, they seem as baffled as the rest of us? >> they are baffled at why this happened. they know that there was apparently no tie to terrorism
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here. they kind of rule that out. they might find something but there has been absolutely no trail on social media that links him to any religious group or any political group, so they believe that terrorism is not a motive here so there as baffled as we are is why this man did this. talking about a guy who retired. he came to mesquite, a private pilot. he likes to gamble, everybody what's come in contact with him says that he is -- he's an affable guy and that he is sometimes standoffish but they would never expect this. and his family earlier today said that they think he might have snapped but then the police countered back saying this is not the case of somebody who snapped. you don't meticulously and methodically bought something like this for four days if you snapped. a lot of thought went into this, a lot of hate went into this and this is not the case of just someone going off the deep end suddenly. >> tucker: we are out of motive spirit of
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trace gallagher, thank you for that update, i appreciate it. she was there last night, a witness to this attack and she joins us tonight. angelina, can you hear me? >> i can. >> tucker: there you are. what did you think when you first -- when this first happened, did you know what it was? >> we didn't. we heard the first two shots and saw some smoke and so initially we thought it was fireworks, which made us uncomfortable in itself so we started to walk away from the crowd and then when the rapid gun fire started, that is when we realized it was guns started sprinting and everybody started running. >> tucker: you were in the crowd? >> yes. >> tucker: could you tell where it was coming from? >> no. i thought it was coming from within the crowd. i thought somebody was holding the gun up in the air and shooting.
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so i think everybody thought that, they were getting down on the ground. every time shots were being fired. and we if we had known that the shots were coming from above i don't think anybody would have done that. because that just put them in terrible position. >> tucker: of course. we are getting reports that there was a stampede at points that people were injured during it. did you see any of that? >> i did. as we were running out, a barricade had fallen over and a man in a yellow security shirt had fallen on his face and i watched another man run right over him like he was the pavement. that was probably the only person that i saw get run over but people were pushing and shoving and jumping fences and falling on each other just
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trying to get out as quickly as possible. >> tucker: sounds like the worst. where did you wind up? how did you get out? >> it was just by the grace of god that we were already towards the outskirts of the crowd by the time the rapid gunfire had begun and so we quickly made it out of the gates because they had already fallen to the ground. we ran out the back side of the concert and just kept running up the streets and didn't stop. we ran through the tropicana, the new york, new york, i met with past keynote arena, i think we ended up at monte carlo. we were so far away from where it had happened because we just did not stop, we did not turn back. >> tucker: that's always the right move, especially last night. angelina, thank you for joining us, glad you're okay. >> thank you. >> tucker: brian hopkins is a musician who played at the
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concert last night, he was backstage before the shooting and then he went out to enjoy the fans out in front, the shots began, he ran back and hid in a freezer with several fans, probably why he survived. brian hopkins joins us tonight. where were you when the shots rang out? >> i was actually out front. i had just walked back from backstage and i actually didn't play at this event. i had played the first year and i had come to support friends. i said my hellos and then walked out the front and my best friend and i, my guitar player, we were staring at the stage, literally almost in front of it and i had a couple of friends standing in front of me. when the shots -- when we figured out what it was, a guy went down right in front of us, another guy about 4 feet in front -- next to him. and i turned to see what's going on until girls go down right behind us. ben grabs me and says run and
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you could see people running at us and i grabbed the two girls in front of me and we start running and instead of sprinting, i didn't run towards the crowd the way they were going, i had just left backstage and i separated from ben because he went after one of our friends' wives and he fell and almost got trampled. he got up and said i'm running and he took off. i lost him and i ran through the backstage area and that's when all you hear is bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, it's just coming and you can hear it coming up the rooftops, off the stage above. and i started running and i had them and people were following me and it stopped about four seconds and then it started up again and we run into a fence, a big fence and i could have hopped that fence, i could have
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easily been over it but there was no way, there were screaming people, there were people afraid they can't get over and so there was a freezer, i didn't know it was a freezer but it was a big trailer and the door was propped open and i could see somebody in there and we just started throwing people inside this refrigerator and once everybody got in i jumped in with them and i jumped in the middle and i started comforting the two girls that i was helping, they started -- there were 24-year-old, 23-year-old comforting people older than them, freaking out, screaming. i meant to try and make a video for my parents and this guy started screaming and pounding on the wall and i just stopped what i was doing and had him sit down in front of me and take care of his wife or girlfriend or whatever. and then i went to the door to
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see if we could get out and as soon as i opened it a little bit, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. i shut the door and looked at a friend of mine, who was in there, just a little bit a ways away for me and i said everything is going to be okay and he looked at me and said no it's not. we are just like, this is not where it's going to, not here. we waited until there was silence. we were all cold and we went to open up the door, we popped it open, he and i. one guy jumps over the fence because somebody had put a ramp and then the next guy jumped up and i asked him to stay, can you help the ladies, can you help people jump? it's a tall fence. i can get them over so he started getting them over the fence and they were just climbing, just attacking the fence. and then it came down to the two -- they didn't leave me. i didn't know -- i barely knew them and they stayed with me. and i was trying to help them, i couldn't, so i grabbed them and
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i remember starting to -- we are going to find somewhere else to go and there's a police officer running at me, sweaty face screaming and he said this way, this way and as soon as we got past, that guy took off to wear all the bad was. he took off that direction as he is sending us off to safety and i don't know if there was anyone behind me but i just grabbed the girl's hands and we were running and there's a body and another body and another body and then there's another body in the body, the guy got shot in the stomach and his friends, they were over him like trying to keep him alive and there's no way he was still alive. then that's when the girls with me started to panic and wanted to call their parents and just run, run, run, we are crossing the street and in the middle of the street like this there's a car with people hiding behind it
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and the guy in the passenger seat is shot. i couldn't stop, i'm trying to help people and now have other people following me and i just said run to the dark, which is this right here, right behind us. that alley right there. we were running to this area because it was dark but you could still see mandalay bay, we are not out of harm's way and we are still just running. we don't know, by the way, when we are in that icebox, we had no idea if there were people running around shooting, we are hiding and trying to be quiet. >> tucker: of course. it sounds like the weirdest dream sequence ever, a horrifying one. >> here's the thing, and i said this -- i just called one of the girls, nicole and i said thank you for being -- she didn't ask her age, she didn't freak out. they didn't freak out until they saw that. but it was so methodical, i just
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lets go calmly. >> tucker: what a horrifying horrifying -- thank you for telling us your story. >> yes. >> tucker: take a second for me to digest it, i can imagine how you feel right now. >> you're welcome, i'm sorry for everybody who had to go through it. >> tucker: also there on the tenth floor of the mandalay bay and was trapped there for the duration of the attack. she joins us now. are you there? >> i'm here, can you hear me? >> tucker: yes, you were in the hotel when this happened, how far from where the gunman was? >> i'm a tv presenter and i was therefore a party with kevin harrington, we were actually on the 46th floor in the foundation room and we just decided -- all our guys went downstairs to play poker and we saw this beautiful skyline so we headed out to the skylight and you see the mandalay bay on your right on the left side and you see the entire concert down below and we were just taking photos, all
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kind of lined up there having a great time and all of a sudden these fireworks went off, all the fireworks, we were just kind of laughing and having a wonderful time in the growth taking the photo says oh, my god, i think it's gunfire and we are all having this moment, that can't possibly be gunfire, to rapid, too fast and i just sent photos to your crew, we have video of this. he looked down on the concert, 46 floors up. what we don't know at that moment is where the lowest were left at about 7:00 is the gunma gunman. it's impossible to imagine because it's all glass, there's no balconies, there's no way anybody could be doing that. and she said i think there's bodies all over the ground, people are lying down and we're literally telling her there's gunfire, people are just kind of hitting the ground, it will be fine. it got weirder and weirder, they ushered us into the foundation room and all of a sudden the s.w.a.t. guys come in with big machine guns and start yelling at us, get down, get down and we are thinking of the bad guys, right now we are all thinking that we are under attack. i bolted out back -- i was the only one who ran out to the patio like your friend just that, i'm hiding behind a potted plant thinking oh, my god,
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there's somebody who's going to shoot me any minute. worst moment of my life. fortunately we were nowhere in harm's way, i guess if you turn the gun upwards, but from a vantage point it's hard to believe, we all then got ushered back into the foundation room -- i'm really tired. we were locked down and we were learning news the way you were but for those of us in the room where thinking there's a bomb, we are hearing there's a bomb in the bellagio and the flamingo, 30 gunman, we are hearing all these crazy rumors and nobody freaked out and everybody was very calm but it has been a very, very long night and -- i'm having a hard time. >> tucker: i can't even imagine. the truth is we know not all that much more now than we did 12 or 18 hours ago. we still don't know very much about this man or why he did it but i can imagine your panic when armed men come into your room and start yelling, i can't even imagine.
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thank you for joining us, i'm glad you're okay. >> i'm fine and i'm happy to help out in anyway, i have to tell you, the weirdest moment in my life was walking out this moment, they finally let us go after about ten hours, seeing the las vegas trip with no cars, there's nobody gambling or playing in the mood here is pretty amazingly tragic. >> tucker: something really awful about that. thank you very much. the mayhem at the mandalay bay ended only when stephen paddock killed himself just before the police breached the door to his hotel room, we have sound of that happening, here it is. >> i need everybody in the hallway to be aware of it and get back.
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>> tucker: there it is. one of the things that jumped out at everyone who listened to the audio of this attack last night was that it sounded like automatic weapons fire, which is unusual in this country. what exactly was this man wielding when he killed so many? forensic -- chris is a former marine and active shooter expert and they both join us tonight. chris, first to you, there is usually a lot of focus on the firearms, which may or may not be that relevant, but in this case it may be is relevant because it did sound like automatic weapons fire. it was eight, and if so what does that mean exactly? >> you can tell by the rate of fire, good evening, tucker. i'm sorry to be with you for this reason. the rate of fire is what we call cyclic rate, it's firing as fast as the front gun is capable of firing. to get it to do that it's either functionally automatic weapon from a manufacturer which means while you hold on the trigger it
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will continue to fire until it runs out of ammunition, or as you feed it, or it's a semiautomatic and as fast as you can pull the trigger, or rounds will grow out. if this seems to be a fully automatic sound from the background whether it's .223 or .208 rounds. however, you can make these kits and you can get them and convert them on your own. it's not too far off per se, but the deterrent to do it is horrible. the atf has got a very strong hold on this. >> tucker: you can't do that. right. >> they are legal if you purchase them with a stamp. >> tucker: i know that, but what i don't understand is how hard is it? my understanding is you had to be a relatively talented gunsmith to do that, but you don't? >> no, sir. i'm not going to tell you how on tv but you can basically change a couple pieces within the mechanism near the trigger and turn it semiautomatic weapon
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into a fully automatic. >> tucker: you get in a lot of trouble for that, this guy of course didn't care. doctor, what are pathologists learning as they examined the victims of this tragedy, what will they be looking for? >> one of the things that pathologists will do is remove as many bullets as they can for the police and the police will go around to the coroner's office and to each of the hospitals to get every bullet that is removed from every patient and they will then be able to find out from which weapons the bullets came from. pray that this was to ensure that there wasn't a second shooter with another gun that wasn't present at the scene, an issue that comes up will come up sometimes. the most important thing they are doing right now is to deal with the families who are at the office and they want to know who is dead and they want to get their loved one back in the
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identification of the bodies is the first procedure that goes on in the coroner's office. spirit of course it is, i wish we had more time, we are bumping up against a hard break unfortunately. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: is there any way to protect crowds from events like the ones we saw last night in las vegas? up ahead we will discuss security as we continue our coverage of today's breaking news. plus, many politicians have responded today by demanding gun laws. we will ask a proud gun democrat from texas he thinks what will work. stay tuned. >> he brutally murdered more than 50 people. and wounded hundreds more. it was an act of pure evil.
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♪ >> tucker: it wasn't hours after this event that some politicians in washington called for new gun legislation in the wake of the student. congressman henry cuellar represent the state of texas, he has an a+ rating from the nra, he joins us tonight to assess this, thanks for coming on. >> thank you so much. >> tucker: we don't even know the basic answers to the questions of why this happened.
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does it seem a little premature to you to get into a complex debate of light gun control within hours of his? >> absolutely. i think we need to wait, let the first responders, but the law enforcement find out exactly what happened and then we can have another debate. right now we pray for the families, we thank the first responders for doing a good job but they still have a lot of work because just listen to all those stories, it just doesn't make sense. he doesn't fit the pattern of somebody that would do something like this, especially somebody at that particular age. >> tucker: you grew up on a ranch in texas hunting? you must of been surrounded by guns because renters are filled with guns. because i learned at a very young age from my father how to hunt. i got th ree brothers are peace
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officers so we've been around guns for a very young age. even if you take guns away we know somebody can kill somebody using an airplane, a knife, a truck. exactly. i think we need to just let the law enforcement do the work and we can always have time for political debate. >> tucker: it's when people come out immediately after an event like this without knowing any of the facts, it suggests to the rest of us that they have been kind of waiting for an opportunity to push a pre-existing agenda on the country. it makes people really nervous, can you see why? >> not that there waiting for the next event but i think we have had several events in the past years and i think there are some people who believe in gun-control, i don't believe in gun-control. i think you can have responsible people do the right thing with a gun but unfortunately sometimes you get a situation like this that it's hard to explain but just taking guns away from everybody is not going to solve the issue. >> tucker: why do people keep saying that? can you think of a single place in the united states that has become safe because of gun control? >> no. >> tucker: right.
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i don't think anyone else can think of when either so why do people keep proposing it? >> there are some people just feel that guns are the problem but i think it's a little bit more complicated than that. as you know, i don't believe that. i'm a big believer in the second amendment but there are some people who feel you have to take guns away. >> tucker: a totally nonpolitical and sincere question and i don't know the answer to it. there were no mass shootings when you were a kid, there was one, the university of texas. >> that's right. >> tucker: he had a brain tumor. they want a feature of american life, what has changed, what is going on? >> i don't know. after look at every individual case and let's see what the investigators find out. there has to be something, let's see what happened in this particular case. >> tucker: i just hope that we in the press aren't adding to it, something that we think about a lot, we don't want to be part of the problem. >> the stories we are, incredible. >> tucker: they are incredible, incredibly sad. it's great to see you, i appreciate it. i fox news alert, a mass
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shooting in las vegas has become the single deadliest shooting in american history, at least 59 murder, more than 500 injured. the scale is almost unimaginable. jonathan hunt joins us from las vegas with what we are learning about the victims of this crime. jonathan? >> tucker, tonight we are at the university medical center, the only level one trauma center in las vegas and the recipient therefore of many of the most badly wounded. in the last few minutes we got an update from officials here who say tonight of the 100 for patients they received 12 remain in critical condition. it was a scene of some chaos as you can imagine last night as the ambulance services here in vegas were hard-pressed to get everyone of those 527 wounded to the hospitals. there were stories of people stopping in pickup trucks and other vehicles and bringing those suffering from gunshot wounds to hospitals like this here at umc.
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the officials also told us that some of the gunshot wounds were just terrible, the like of which even with years of experience they had never seen before because of the caliber of the weapons that were used, tucker. because of the severity of many of those wounds, , and urgent appeal went out for blood donations in las vegas responded in an extraordinary fashion, at every single blood donation center set up around the city there have been lines hour after hour. 6-8 hours in some cases and officials say they are now booked up with blood donation appointments through thursday. given the amount of people they are still caring for, they still need more. that was one example of what i saw last week in mexico city as i covered the aftermath of the earthquake there. the worst of times so often brings out the best in the human spirit. >> tucker: that is always true, isn't it, thank you for joining us. last night's attack in las vegas
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and similar attacks in orlando, manchester, nice, france, and also the potential for terrorists to kill massive numbers of people by targeting massive events. concerts and gatherings like that. is there anything we can do to keep these events safe? a former secret service agent, aaron is former counterterrorism expert and they join us tonight. first to you, you can think of ways that you could lock down events like this, but they would basically entail taking it almost impossible to get to the event, is there a way to secure an arena or a place with 20,000 people that is consistent with the way we live now or do we have to change completely in order to be safe? >> i don't think you have to change completely, tucker. in fact, the israeli model, which i think is an extremely applicable to all soft targets here in the united states including our airports, very applicable because the reason why is we don't have people take off shoes at airports.
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one of the most simple security elements that could have been applied here that needs to be applied moving forward with all venues related to soft targets we have large crowds of people, had those bags been checked at the hotel, i know it sounds crazy but bad checks would have kept weapons from being brought up to those rooms. the israeli approach isn't necessarily designed to put a cork in people's lifestyle. there is a way to move security along efficiently but that's also scientific but honest. the security has to be on this. bad checks could have easily kept guns from getting up so that 32nd floor. the guy had to carry ammunition, hundreds of rounds. he had to carry automatic weapons, which is what we know they were. they have to be put in bag so bad checks would have been a very big step and i think that something that needs to be looked at. >> tucker: that's a big deal, spend a week in israel, you go to israel and it's not like the united states at all. if they don't have freedom of movement like we do. that's a different level of
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security, are americans ready for that? it works, but are americans ready for it, dan? >> i don't think so, tucker. if the problem you have with setting up, say, bag checks are not a bag, bad idea but magnetometers defined with bag checks, you have a clean area, sterile and devoid of all weapons but then you have an area right outside where you can just engage people lining up either at a bank check or magnetometers. i think one practical step we can all agree on going forward is police department's are probably going to look at building up their counter sniper teams and any type of big outdoor rally now obviously now that this has been put in the idea of every terrorist in the world watching this will probably see a counter sniper and a spotter at these events looking at these window matrices and keeping them safe.
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>> i don't disagree with your guest, you and i park our cars in the same garage, we both want the best for the country as far as security, but counter snipers are going to keep bags or guns from being brought up into hotels. they're not going to keep them from getting to the 32nd floor, they will not keep weapons and guns or explosives from being brought into the actual event itself. here's the thing that i would be advising president trump at this point with a soft targets if i may, tucker, very quickly. the purpose -- what makes israeli security really work well, we realize you can get total security, it's impossible so we use what is called multi-layers. that means by stacking layers of his many different levels as possible it would take a multi-failure event for this idiot to be able to open fire. i agree that a designated marksman in an elevated position is definitely something you want to have when you have a hotel overlooking 90 floor support 84's or 64's overlooking a crowd of 22,000 people. this is how long it takes me to check a bag. excuse me, could you do me a favor, i need you to open it up and then the valley will take you lack take that up to your
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room. if you could, we will have you -- if you could have your i.d. ready when you're checking out all of your guest, they just need to show i.d. >> tucker: it literally takes a minute. >> tucker: you are the politest security guard i've ever dealt with. i spent a lot of time there. dan, is somebody thinking deeply about why is this happening? before we turn the come down the country into a police state to avoid things like this maybe we should know why these things are recurring. are there big brains working on that question? >> i hope so because the most troubling part of this story since -- i've been up since 5:00 in the morning doing commentary on this, the troubling lack of a motive at this point. at this point in the game. i know it's in its infancy, the investigation but i assure you behind the scenes social media postings, financial transactions, friends and family networks, people are being interviewed. the fact that nothing has leaked out yet about any kind of a substantial motive is deeply troubling.
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but i assure you, yes, the best experts from federal state and local law enforcement are looking at this right now to find out what the heck is going on. >> tucker: something is going on in american society, it has nothing to do with guns, it has to or something and i think it's worth figuring out. thank you for that, i appreciate it. the fbi still trying to determine the motive behind all of this. what exactly are investigators looking for and what do they know already? for that we are joined by retired fbi special agent tim clementi. tim, is this is confusing to you as it is to everyone else watching? >> absolutely. i think it's just as confusing for all fbi agents, anybody possibly involved in the investigation. ordinarily by this point in the investigation hours or minutes in there is some kind of a motive that is evidence. if the person is yelling saying this is for isis and we know it's probably for isis. >> tucker: the authorities say we don't really know what everyone does. is this one of those cases where everyone really doesn't know?
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>> i think this is one of those cases but i don't think we can totally discount what isis has said. i am a terrorism expert, i've worked islamic terrorism for many years around the world. i was in the middle east last week. i can tell you that isis doesn't ordinarily make false claims when it comes to responsibility. they may have done some where they brag a little bit or take him a little more credit than they should have but generally the way isis works is a much more loosely organized infrastructure. it's not like joining the marine corps, my son is down at marine corps boot camp, he joined the marine corps, he goes through a set number of days at parris island, goes through the whole process. you don't do that to join isis. you make a pledge of fealty to abu bakr al-baghdadi. you say one of the five pillars of faith of islam. that's it. you are now a number of isis. you can do it privately, by email, you can do it over a phone call or you can do it over months and years of communication with isis. it is possible, though it is remote, it is possible that this
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individual wanting the fame and fortune of being the most prolific serial killer or mass killer in american history that must have been his goal, it may be he did align himself with isis at the last minute just for that little extra bit of infamy. who knows. >> tucker: hard to believe that someone would go through this level of preparation for that. he would think that there would have to be some ideological or religious commitment, not that there's an obvious one. >> there doesn't appear to be one in this case. ideological, religious or political. doesn't appear that he had any of those motivations, which are common for individuals doing things like this. >> tucker: so what about his girlfriend? not that we know but if you are one of the investigators on this case how closely would you be looking at her? >> no human being exists in a vacuum, this individual did not. if he is living with a woman she's not traveling, she was overseas, quite convenient for the fact that he's doing this heinous act entries overseas, maybe the two facts are unrelated but the fact is she knows a lot about this person. she knows a lot about his
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personality, what may have changed in recent days, weeks or months and what might have led up to him either recently stockpiling additional weapons and ammunition for such an act, or knowing that he had some intentions to do something horrible. she may not have known the act or the time and place but she clearly would have known the man she's living with is evolving in some way. >> tucker: sure. this was not a fit of rage obviously. thank you, really interesting. hillary clinton and other democrats have used the shootings of last night to demand new gun-control legislation. after the break we will talk to one of those democrats, we continue to cover every new development from this baffling and horrifying story out of las vegas. we will be right back. ♪ no, i took some pics with the app and... filed a claim, but... you know how they send you money to cover repairs and... they took forever to pay you, right? no, i got paid right away, but... at the very end of it all, my agent... wouldn't even call you back, right? no, she called to see if i was happy. but if i wasn't happy with my claim experience for any reason,
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leveraging on the attacks las vegas, this morning she tweeted the crowd fled at the sound of gunshots, imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the enemy wants to make it easier to get. clinton then added without a trace of irony, our grief is not enough, we must put politics aside, stand up to the nra and work together to stop this from happening again. a radio show host, what was your response to hillary clinton's tweet? >> it was shocking and it was also ghoulish. she put out that tweet at about 7:15:00 a.m. eastern time. if the police in las vegas were still removing bodies as of 2:00 p.m. pacific time. we also know that not everyone had died, we still have more deaths. this is a moment without any details moving immediately into a political framework and immediately going into the pet issue. americans know as you've discussed your entire show that we have a problem. we are going to be dealing with what caused this and the issue
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of the firearms. but when you go to the element of the guns, what it does is it sucks all the air out of the room to deal with the underlying major issue, which is the human condition that drives this issue. just as one example, mayo clinic says 70% of people in america are on a prescription drug. opioids and antidepressants being the majority of them. over 50% of americans are on at least two prescription drugs, the things that we never discuss, which is the nature of what would push someone over a ledge like this in the modern age never is addressed because we all get moved in by politicians to this issue. we are going to find out what made this an automatic weapon, we will address that. immediately it divides -- it immediately removes the compassion within the nature of what we should be doing today. and i think americans, this is exactly what americans are tired of. >> tucker: flesh that out a
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little bit, i should state the out obvious, i'm hardly a doctor and have no evidence that prescription drug use has anything to do with this. i have long suspected that there probably are effects if you have a huge percentage of the country on mind altering drugs, why wouldn't their behavior change? >> at least we need to begin to ask and because we don't know. we don't ask that question in addition to, as you brought up in your program, the issue of media, the nature of the horrible, bloodied carnage that we have been watching for years since september 11th 2001. we are becoming inured in a certain way. this is the human condition, this is what we have to deal with but then there's also the hypocrisy of washington and of someone like mrs. clinton, who in that tennessee church shooting where one woman was murdered, seven injured, the massacre only stopped because of a heroic usher. she has said -- i found this hard to believe but it's true, nothing about that particular attack and if the issue really is about guns we don't see a consistency in this. in the meantime, we struggle as
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a society to want to find a solution as we elevate the hero's that we see in the midst of something like this and this is also again what americans are seeing about the condition of our society, how politicians are not necessarily saying and doing the right thing and how we are tired of being divided in this regard. >> tucker: i would like to get to the deeper question, i think it's a really smart point. thank you. a democrat representing northern california joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. hillary clinton's tweet was the crowd fled to the sound of gunshots, imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer. i would silencer have made the deaths -- a higher number of deaths? >> first, my heart aches in my hands pray for the victims with deep gratitude for the first responders. they ran into a building not knowing where he was shooting. i think your point is congress is considering not doing more to prevent mass shootings but actually the only legislation around on firearms is to allow
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silencers. >> tucker: what does that have to do with this though? she said imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, do you think she thinks a silencer would make a rifle silent, did she think that because if she thinks that maybe she should be weighing in on it. >> social media has given up thousand of perspectives, a silencer was allowed, if people could buy, maybe they wouldn't have further gunshots and more people would have died. spoon i guess that's what bothers me when policymakers weigh in on things about which they know nothing. silencer would not silence an automatic fire, it might suppress its own but it is loud as hell. you have to wear earplugs even with a suppressor unmanned. most people might not know that but if you are to weigh in on and we are all sort of obligated to take your opinion seriously, maybe you should know what you're talking about, but she doesn't and the reason i'm bringing this up is because it's emblematic of this entire debate. nobody pushing for gun control
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can name a single piece of gun control legislation that would have prevented this or any other shooting unless i'm mistaken i got one. >> it's still early. >> tucker: right! why only democrats jumping up and down about the national tragedy of the nra and we need more gun control, what gun control would have ended this? >> i think when you watch so many people who are helpless and running you think that our lawmakers under the capitol dome, we are not helpless. before the trigger is squeezed you are actually able to do something. whether it's universal background checks, ammunition restrictions, making sure we don't have silencers or of course making sure that a weapon of war is only in the hand of a warrior. >> tucker: you are doing exactly what you just conceded is false and unhelpful. you are so-called silencers into it when we both know that that would have had no effect at all. you are a lawmaker, hillary clinton tried to be the president of the united states, came pretty close. don't people like you want or have an obligation to know what you are talking about before you try and change our laws? >> i know what i'm talking about
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and i look at the fear that people have and i think that they expect us to at least have a dialogue, -- >> shouldn't be a factor-based dialogue? >> of course. >> tucker: this is a soliloquy designed to make the rest of us angry and fearful. dialogue is when i say here is what i believe and here's why. but that's not what she is engaging in, that's not what senator bennet -- we need to ban automatic weapons, they are already banned, they've been banned since the great depression. they still have no idea what they're talking about, why don't they learn something? >> i think a lot of us are tired of being quiet and there are a lot of good republican ideas around mental health in the last guest mention prescription drugs, let's talk about all of that bullets do more than be silent. >> tucker: i'm totally for that. i'm for a real conversation, something strange is going on in america. i'm 48, this was not a feature of my childhood, this is a new thing and something is causing it. but the prescription from the left is always the same come up
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ban certain guns, banned certain bullets, ban certain magazines, silencers. and yet they don't feel an obligation to explain how that would solve a problem because they know it wouldn't because that's not their agenda. that's what scares me. >> tonight congressman john lewis, mike thompson, speaker line, let's just have a bipartisan task force, but every thing on the table and look at the facts of the shooting and others but let's do something that shows we are not helpless, we can actually address this issue. >> tucker: why would i trust someone who points to silencers within hours of the shooting as the cause or an exacerbating factor, that's moronic? >> silencers would make more shootings like this actually easier to accomplish and congress right now -- >> tucker: how exactly does that happen? you are sticking with that talking point? it's not true. have you ever fired a weapon with a suppressor? what kind? >> ar-15. we go out and look at the weapons that were taken off the streets. >> tucker: you fired in ar-15, -- >> suppresses the sound, it makes it harder for victims to
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hear it so it's just another tool. >> tucker: 's eve actually fired a rifle with a suppressor on it you are telling me that you didn't have to wear earplugs when you did that? >> it suppresses some, -- >> tucker: did you have to wear earplugs? >> you should always wear earplugs. >> tucker: that's how loud, it's super loud. i just shot when the other day. you can't look at me straight in the face and say it would be undetectable, are you kidding? >> with a concert blaring like it was it would be a lot less noisy. the point here is let's just convene, let's have a conversation. >> tucker: we have to have a rational conversation. we can have people pointing to silencers or flash suppressors and saying there's a problem. >> republicans imminently will vote to allow silencers. >> tucker: it would have nothing to do with the shooting, that's insane and you know it! you fired a rifle yourself that's not the answer. can we be real? >> dialogue is the answer. >> tucker: dialogue, that's what we're doing. thanks for coming on. looking to continue to provide all the latest developments after the horrible attacks in
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>> tucker: most people have the decency to be horrified when innocent people die and that's their instinctive reaction. there are those who are so ideological, so adult by
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political fervor that a mass killing means nothing if they think the victims voted differently from the way they did. and the hours after the tragedy in las vegas cbs legal executive haley geftman-gold explained on facebook that she had no sympathy for the dead because they were likely republicans. "i'm actually not even sympathetic because country music fans often are republican gun toters, she wrote. after her words ricocheted around the end that she was scanned by cbs earlier today. make no mistake, there is a growing number of people who think as she does even if they are smart enough to keep their thoughts hidden. that may be the real disaster here by the way. this country can survive mass shootings, it has before, but it will not survive having political factions that deny the basic humanity of their opponents. we are seeing that a lot. with more on the ground in las vegas we are joined by fox news' claudia cowan who is there. >> tucker, when you consider the
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scope of this tragedy with so many dead and wounded it's really no surprise that so many people in this community feel the need to grieve and mourn together and that's exactly what happening here at las vegas city hall right now. a group of singers is working to lift spirits. earlier the crowd heard from speakers offering words of support and sympathy and this is one of many prayer rituals happening here and across the country, including in nashville or country singers are paying condolences to the victims of last night's massacre. just out to have a good time at a country music concert. investigators say they are still processing the concert venue as well as three other crime scenes trying to understand why 64-year-old stephen paddock committed what's being called the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. his family seems baffled, the victims and their loved ones are certainly mystified and las vegas has a broken heart. but the city is resilient, tucker. tonight #vegastrong is
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trending. back to you. >> tucker: thanks a lot. that's it for us tonight but of course our coverage here on fox of the shooting in las vegas will continue. there's a lot we don't know. this may be the most baffling crime of its kind in memory. our team is investigating new leads, we will bring you updates throughout the night. truly the people on this case are confused, we cannot overstate that. that never happens. this is quite a story. want to say a word to those very brave first responders last night, they risk their lives and their swift race right into a dangerous situation of saved others and we are grateful for them. our praise of course go up to the victims and their families. we will see you tomorrow night, sean hannity is up next, as our live coverage of all of this continues. good night from washington, we will see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪
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>> sean: welcome to the live breaking news edition of "hannity." america in a state of shock after a madman open fire on a country music festival in las vegas, killing all 59, injuring 527 others in the most deadly mass shooting in american history. authorities are now working round-the-clock to assist the victims and determine a motive, catherine herridge, claudia hunt, callan, trace gallagher all on the grant-in-aid, laura ingraham, sebastian corcoy were on stage just before all this happened and eyewitnesses will all join us, but first here is how it all


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