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"the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. ♪ >> martha: tonight jemelle hill, espn anchor suspended for another controversial tweet. just one month ago that she went after president trump saved us on twitter. "donald trump, a white supremacist was largely surrounded himself with other white supremacists. despite widespread outrage over those comments, espn at that point took no action. they gave her basically a slap on the wrist for that. fast forward one month later. she now took to twitter going against cowboys owner jerry jones and his mandate that all of his players would stand for the national anthem. she tweeted this. "change happens when advertisers are impacted. if you feel strongly about jerry jones' statement, boycott his advertisers."
this latest week, the one that takes on the nfl and the people who put money in the networks pockets had elicited a slightly different response from espn this time around. in a statement earlier today the network posted this. jemelle hill has been suspended for a couple of weeks, two weeks, for the second violation of our social media guidelines. she's letting her colleagues, and your company down with impulsive tweet so that's where we are today. brian kilmeade, host a fox and friends, also hosting "box tonight" at 10:00 eastern. >> i would've come in for you. if this is unbelievable, the story. here's an anchor who has a show at 6:00 with mike hill. having reasonable success at espn. dodged a bullet so to speak when she did not get suspended the first time around but now she doubles down and when she says this what you expect espn to do? they spend $15 billion to get the nfl contract and she suddenly, indirectly calling for a boycott of dallas cowboys goods, tickets.
you have to be kidding me. up to being an anchor calling out the cowboys on the network effect $15 billion to carry teams like the cowboys, it makes absolutely no sense. if anyone in our business knows that will be troubled or does she want this? >> martha: she was criticized all the way from the pressroom, sarah huckabee sanders basically saying that white house felt it was a fireball offense to call the president a white supremacist without any basis and now this. she's going to get two weeks -- she might be getting paid, we don't know. >> we don't know. think progress actually have a story that has not been refuted after she came out with a tweet against president trump they said to her stay off the air, you are off the earthly. her cohost that if she's off there i'm up there. they said fine you are both off the yard, they went into the newsroom to get another african-american host and they said no, we are not going on either. that was a crisis averted perhaps. now what's going on in that newsroom? now with the backlash outsider. now jemelle hill sits back and she says okay about hosting my show for two weeks and then
who's going to? was going to step in the right now? >> martha: i believe her cohost has said she's not going to do the show while she's gone either. >> that i'm not sure about. al sharpton has already weighed in with a tweet. he tends to be a rabble-rouser. he says the suspension of jemelle hill has been in out minutes and not go unanswered. espn advertisers will hear from us. what a mess. >> martha: it's all a debate that has been going on for the last month or so. she's very upset that jerry jones is essentially forcing his players to stand for the infant and she saying everybody should boycott jerry jones for that. it's her choice but it's espn's choice whether or not they want to keep her on their especially now that they're going after their own purse strings. >> maybe i'm old-fashioned but if espn hires you and they spend $15 billion you do what they want. if you don't want that i'm sure there's a way to get out of the contract. if the cowboys owner jerry jones tells his players who work for him, even though they own 55% of the revenues, i need you to
stand up and salute because people looking at this as anti-american, that hurts our products. you do it. and the cowboys data. a few fists were in the air saying black power. he says if i see someone not standing or showing a demonstration i bench them. what if all the cowboys taken a? do not take any? does jerry jones and we do not play today? >> martha: it could come to that. he could lose a large number of players. the cowboys all stood for the last one, right? >> i believe one or two fists were in the air. symbolizing black power. we don't 23 san francisco 49ers that appeared about a third as many as two weeks ago when president trump called him s.o.b.'s. >> martha: just getting ready for monday night football, it felt like it was going to dissipate a bit. >> had his number retired and decided to walk out when it was offended by the 23 players that took any. people say that was a stone.
he said not really, my son is in the marines, i'm the vice president of the united states, i cannot stay for this. if it's a stunt someone should have told mrs. pence. she was wearing a peyton manning jersey. i'm sure she wanted to get a halftime because he so much more than a football player, especially to the people of indianapolis. this is getting bigger from the nfl to the individual teams and now as networks. >> martha: we will see what happens tonight and monday night football. we will look for you tonight at 10:00. some very big news tonight. moments ago sheriff joe lombardo giving an update on the las vegas shooting vegas investigation, listen to this. >> upon being injured, notified security of the situation. in close proximity of him being shot there was also a maintenance worker that presented himself on the 30 second-floor and he prevented him from receiving any injuries. we know he attempted the fuel
tanks. we know that he had some personal protection equipment in the room. we have uncovered no evidence to show there was a second shooter. we have uncovered over 200 instances of the suspect traveling throughout las vegas and he has never been seen with anyone else. no evidence or intelligence that the suspect was linked or had affiliation with any known terrorist groups or ideologies. in coordination with the fbi's behavioral analysis unit, a comprehensive picture is being drawn as to the suspect mental state and currently we do not believe there was one particular event in the suspect life for us to key on. >> martha: incredible. they are still having a very tough time figuring out the trigger that set him off, stephen paddock. joining me now colonel michael welch, former special forces operator, an expert on what it takes to execute this kind of
shooting. also a fox news contributor fox news contributor. candace delong back on the story tonight, former fbi agent and criminal profiling. good to have both of you here. you have a story of campos, who was wounded and stayed outside in the hallway during the course of this entire shooting until it was clear where it was going. just unbelievable what that man went through. you talk, colonel about the difficulty of civilians pulling off with this guy pulled off, it's remarkable. >> am still astounded as i'm sure so many others are that this individual with no military background, no law enforcement training, with no help, could pull something this sophisticated, this type of what we are in the military call a phone ambush, off like this. just a bit in the geometry of it. we call it a kill box for the bullets are going to fall and paddock was essentially on full
auto down at a thousand foot, the length of a hypotenuse triangle where you could have just 1 degree variance in those bullets are then going to fly outside of what we call the kill box. able to stay on full auto, change multiple weapons, multiple magazines, the barrels get hot when you put that many rounds through so the rounds become inaccurate and was still able to strike several hundred targets. if i just find it astounding. i don't unfortunately have any more conclusions than the investigators but i have a heck of a lot of questions that we did this by himself. >> martha: those calculations written down in the notepad so he was clearly trying to figure out the dynamic of exactly what you're talking about an unfortunately deadly consequences. >> he had just been engaged and intercepted by campos, who was incredibly brave. at the fact he didn't have his adrenaline going, he wasn't
sweating, he wasn't really kind of worked up and was able to stay that calm and collected and to keep pouring that much fire into -- it's kind of like a spotlight going from the building and able to keep it concentrated, really just unbelievable. >> martha: awful. candace, we know a few more things, he was on valium for anxiety. he had a doctor steven winkler and las vegas who was supplying him with that medication. prostitutes on a regular basis. he said that because of his bank robber father he told one of those prostitutes had a bad streak in his blood and he spent 14 hours a day and video poker machines in las vegas. at what you of all that? >> this is not a normal guy. we know that. one of the more concerning links for me, most interesting things is that he appears to have been taking valium off and on for a number of years, three to four years.
valium is not meant for long-term use, it can be a dangerous drug because it can build up a toxicity in the brai brain. i'm wondering -- this is the kind of thing a patient on long-term anxiety medication should be being managed by a psychiatrist, not a family practitioner. i'm hoping some more information comes forward about that. >> martha: i would imagine they will do an autopsy of him, right? is not something they could figure out looking at him and looking at his brain in terms of how long the valium was in his body? >> absolutely. one of the parts of an autopsy would be the toxicology study, they take 4-6 weeks to return and that will reveal did he have any valium, which is an antianxiety agent in his blood at the time and if so was it a therapeutic level? wasn't really, really high? was it not there at all?
if somebody is used to taking a lot of valium and then they suddenly stop when the anxiety returns it can be worse than it was in the beginning before, plus depression. >> martha: on top of that you have this incredibly focused ability to pull off the horrific crime that he did as colonel walters pointed out. thank you both, good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up next president trump and senator bob corker in an epic feud. this is gotten really ugly. it senator corker firing the latest shot tweeting "it is shameful that the white house has become an adult day care center, he writes. somebody obviously missed their shift this morning. ed henry and peter king our next is the white house promises they are not finished dealing with senator corker. what does that mean? plus the president going into a deal -- a dealmaker mode over immigration and health care reform. karl rove joins us to break down the whirlwind 48 hours at 1600 pennsylvania, or they're doing doing really in terms of policy?
will tell you. harvey weinstein out from his own company after a glowing list of sexual harassment allegations that get uglier by the minute. new details claimed that it wasn't just hollywood who helps keep this a secret for your. if the press was involved as well. we will explain next. >> i think is a definite possibility that this will be a watershed moment in hollywood. ♪ are you on medicare?
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sfx: mnemonic >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. >> martha: that was what kind of sparked this whole thing off, that was tennessee senator bob corker last week, he took a shot of president trump and the white house drama there and then yesterday president trump hit back in a series of tweets igniting a feud with bob corker from tennessee, who has decided not to run again so he's pretty much unleashed. chief national correspondent ed henry life at the white house with more on this that has gotten pretty ugly. >> it sure is. it knew tonight, are vice president mike pence jumping in, defending president trump in a big way even though he and his aides are
not characterizing it as a rebuke of senator bob corker, you can really read it no other way. all this starting yesterday as you noted the president growing furious about that comment from corker a few days ago suggesting that the only thing separating the country from chaos is rex tillerson, james madison, chief of staff john kelly pulling the president back from rash decisions. the president unleashed your twitter barrage declaring he begged me to re-endorse for election for tennessee and he dropped out when i said no. said he could not win without my endorsement. he also wanted to be secretary of state, i said no thanks. he's also largely responsible for the horrendous iran deal. corcoran says the president called him last week to save you what endorsement if he reconsidered his decision to retire from the senate at the end of next year. corker tweeting a pretty fiery response. "it's a shame the white house
has become an adult day care center, someone obviously missed their shift this morning." he's talking about sunday morning. then he decided to vent to new york times going even further. just posted the audio, listen i in. >> sometimes i feel like he's on a reality show of some kind. foreign policy issues. he doesn't realize that we could be heading towards world war ii iii. >> world war iii, strong talk there. vice president pence didn't stand for that offering a full throated defense of the president in a statement tonight saying "while critics engage in empty rhetoric and baseless attacks under the president's leadership isis is now on the run, north korea has isolated like never before and our nato allies are doing more to pay their fair share for our common defense. also top republicans on the hill today taking sides. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell: mcconnell calling corker an
important player on key issues on the president's agenda while congressman mark meadows, he lashed out. he leaves the freedom caucus and he said corker is just being bold now because he's planning to retire and basically it's easy to take the shots when you were leaving town. >> martha: ed, thank you very much. you're not with more, peter king. he sets on the house homeland security and house intelligence committees. good to see you tonight. want to make of this whole thin thing? >> it doesn't help entity to mike anybody. what he said last week about the president, i think is an outstanding senator and a real outstanding public servant, he shouldn't have made the remark but the president shouldn't allow himself to get dragged into these fights. he's doing an excellent job against isis. i believe he is isolating north korea and he's rebuilding the military, standing with the police, i'm on his side with the national anthem and he shouldn't get involved in fights with senator corker or the mayor of san juan or cnn about the size of the crowd at the inauguration.
he's the president of the united states, he is doing a good job, he should focus on that. >> martha: you know as well as anybody who watches this president that he cannot help himself. he does not like to let any comments go unanswered and bob corker really got down in the mud with him with a day care center, and all of that, he knows that that will lead of the president and he will keep going. what do you think his motive is here? >> and must be something personal, something must've happened between the two of them because on policy issues he's pretty close to the president, they played golf together, was being considered for secretary of state. >> martha: i don't think they are going to play golf together anymore, do you? >> somebody may end up throwing clubs at the other. >> martha: they had a lot of differences too. with we all know something, some things can be ironed out on the golf course. bob corker basically said there's a lot of people here on the republican side were with me on this, they are all sharing my
concern. they all hoped that tiller seen ann matus and kelly can keep the president in the middle-of-the-road and not let him sway off. is he right about that, are the rest of the congressman on the hill with him on this? >> there are some people get concerned because the president and outspoken, the fact is he's getting results. north korea, he's got more results than any other presiden president. he became president of the united states and so far after nine months when you look at the record, it's a good record he's moving the country forward. i have great regard for general mattis and general kelly. the president points to them and he worked with him and i think bob corker is overreacting orbit. i hear some republicans get nervous, some nervous guys in the party but for the most part people standing with the president, and they should. >> martha: do you think that corker -- j.d. vance spoke out saying he was madder corker and he's the south as well. he said he's part of a problem, part of the establishment,
fighting hard to hold onto what they've got on the hill and they don't like the fact that the president is trying to mix it u up. >> the president has a different style. i'm more understanding of the president, i grew up in queens, i knew guys like him all my life. that's the way we talk. i've learned to tone it down a bit. he's the president, he can say what he wants. i'm not that offended by it, i've seen this all my life but bob corker is more of a gentleman i guess. he's not used to that type of barroom type brawl which we see all the time in new york. again, on serious matters and addressing the issues like the president's speech to the u.n., the state of the union speech, as far as dealing with -- he's getting results, that's the bottom line. >> martha: congressman peter king, always good to see you, thank you very much. still had tonight, the vice president stage as protest of his own as an nfl game this weekend. former press secretary for the price to make vice president joins me in a moment to answer
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>> martha: the nfl's national anthem debate regions a new political height. vice president pence was in indianapolis sunday to see the colts take on the 49ers. and to also see peyton manning's number get retired. one more than 20 san francisco players took a knee during the anthem vice president stages own protest and he and his wife walked out. he later explained on twitter i left because the colts game because potus and i will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our flag, or our national anthem. president trump added "i asked vice president pence to leave the stadium if any players nailed, disrespecting our country. i'm proud of him and secondly to karen. mark lauder's former print stomach press secretary to parents these here with some of the details. good to have you, welcome to the
program tonight. talk to me a little bit about this because the backlash is that because of what you read in most weeks that this was planned, but it was a stunt for the vice president to be there and they had to have known that a number of 49ers players where colin capra kaepernick started this whole thing. >> absolutely the height of hypocrisy that liberals and democrats celebrate the players who disrespect our flag, disrespects the national anthem and first responders and our troops who defend the fleet until my freedom of the flag represents while at the same time questioning the vice president whether he claimed it played a a stunt and in some corners they are actually questioning whether he should have even gone to the game knowing that they might have taken a knee. obviously folks who support our freedoms and support that fligh flight, support the national anthem aren't even welcome. i think that's one of the reasons why president trump won back in november. for too long too many americans were told not to show up, to be
quiet while their jobs were sent overseas, we were looking the other way in terms of fighting our enemies and confronting the threats that remain in president trump really resonated with the message that said enough, we will put america first and americans first. >> martha: i want to play this for you, from the 49er safety eric reed responding to the vice president leaving the game on sunday. watch. >> i have the utmost respect for the military, the anthem in the flag so i would say that every time in an interview. this is about systemic oppression that has been rampant in this country for decades on top of decades. it's really disheartening when everything you were raised on, everything i was raised on was to be the best person i can be to help people that need help in the vice president of the united states is trying to confuse the message that we are trying to put out there. i don't know what else to say about it.
>> martha: talked in the beginning about how many members of his family, including his mom, served in the military, what do you say about that? >> what i would tell you is the vice president is using the same platform to say that we stand for our flag, we stand for our national anthem and as the vice president set on twitter yesterday we respect the right of everyone to express their opinions and that there are times and places to have very serious discussions, the president, the white house welcome that but while the american flag is on display, while we are playing our national anthem that's not necessarily the time when we should be taking a knee and staging must protest. everything has a time and place and that's just not the right one for many americans. >> martha: when does this and? >> i think you are seeing change take place right now. there are a number of teams, the indianapolis colts during that came yesterday, my personal team that i root for, none of them took any yesterday. we've seen that going on at stadiums across the country and yet we can still have that discussion. but we are saying is let's have this discussion, let's do it in a way where we can also respect
the culture, the nature and everything that that flag represents from the people who have sacrificed their lives in defending those freedoms. >> martha: got to leave it there, thank you, but as you say they have a right to take any, which they have expressed their ability to do and the vice president had a right to leave in his own protest against that. thank you very much. good to have you here tonight. also developing this evening, the trump white house making significant moves on three big policy priorities. earlier the epa announcing the repeal of president obama's signature climate change regulation, the clean power plan, cole is back is the way they put it. i was earlier they laid out their conditions for any deal that would allow illegal immigrant dreamers to stay in the country and this weekend new details about the president's outreach to democratic leader chuck schumer working on a fix to obamacare. karl rove is a fox news contributor. you can sort of see the way these pieces are all being laid out on the table and the president would like to see
movement on all three of these things. he's kind of pushing them forward and saying here's where i stand. what do you think? >> i think it's less well organized than you might anticipate. the epa action has been in motion for months. it's very difficult to repeal a regulation, you have to do it in a very deliberate fashion. this is actually got two parts to it, one is to withdraw the clean power rule and the second of all is to open up a public comment session on things that could be done reasonably to control pollution and some of these coal-fired plants. this has been underway for a long period of time. i would say that's being done in regular order if you will. as has been planned, they've been working on it, it simply came to fruition at this time. the immigration thing i think is a reaction. president trump cut the deal on daca comments that i want to have a deal on daca in a meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and it's starting to get a life of its own at the white house realized he better have a negotiating position here
so they put out this list of things that they want to see in return for daca deal. i think this is their open bed but this is reactionary. think started to move, they needed to act, and they did. the impulse is to call to schumer over the weekend and maybe nancy pelosi to say let's get a deal going on health care reform. i don't think they have a plan on that, it's dangerous to open a negotiation with chuck schumer unless you do have a plan but i think that was just sort of impulse the president said when on a call of truck, a good visit with he and nancy in the office, let me see if i can get the democrats to agree. >> martha: he's clearly antsy to get that done. he doesn't want to leave it off the table, he doesn't like that it's considered a failure and he wants to go back and try and get the win on that. it's possible they might go back to the alexander murray negotiation, which didn't really go anywhere but it was a bipartisan negotiation. perhaps they want to reopen that, do you think there's any hope for that? >> there might be but when you go into something like that you better have a deliberate plan of what you are going to do, first of all, because otherwise you're
going to give the momentum, the initiative to the people that you are talking to and second about you better make certain that that plan has some support among your allies. don't surprise your allies by doing something impulsive. i hope the president and the white house have a plan, i hope they've been discussing that plan with the significant players in the housing and the senate, because they are going to have to rely upon them to actually do the negotiation, craft legislation and vote for. my sense is there wasn't that much thought on it. this i think ought a lot of people in washington by surprise. i talked to a couple members on the house and senate side and their bosses knew nothing about it and that's a problem. you have to do this a little bit more deliberately if you hope to move it forward. >> martha: they definitely work in different ways. congress likes to do everything very deliberately and sometimes they fail. only 23 days, i don't think they can start that now, we will have to wait until next year and the president likes to get in there like a bowl and a china shop sometimes and that isn't always
well received but that's the way it is right now. thank you very much. go ahead. >> one quick note. they have more than 23 days. if that's 23 days of votes on the floor, a lot of work in congress gets done outside. >> martha: i think it's 30 something until the end of the year. for normal people it's plenty of time. >> 90 some odd days of work until the end of the year so they could be working on this. if they do have only a few number -- much smaller number of days to vote on it. >> martha: thank you, always good to see you. stunning allegations mount against now-fired mega producer harvey weinstein. >> there was no remorse, noise and acknowledgment of the type of behavior that was going on. >> martha: new, weinstein is desperate and unsuccessful plea to fellow hollywood bigwigs to try and get them to help him keep his job. it will have the clintons and the obama's continue to remain silent about all of this so far? holly and mark weigh in on this
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kind of violation is that he tried to intimidate his staffers into not cooperating with the investigation and just hours before he was dismissed harvey weinstein sent a letter to hollywood ceos asking for their support so he could "take a leave of absence and get into heavy therapy and counseling to resurrect himself." weinstein went on to ask to write a letter on his behalf saying "i'm desperate for your help, just give me the time to have therapy. if the industry supports me that's all i need." since "the new york times" broke the story, three more accusers have come forward including former fox news channel anchor lawrence yvonne, who now works for fox 11 here in los angeles. meryl streep and julia mark joined a long line of actors and actresses condemning his behavior with moore tweeting coming forward about it is scary and women have nothing to be gained personally by doing so
but through their bravery we move forward as a culture and i think them, stand with ashley judd, rose mccowan and others, but other stars like the self-described champion of female empowerment, gwyneth paltrow, have remained silent. as for the late-night host, their sexual harassment overage appears to be somewhat selective. watch. >> why are we suddenly out there? two weeks ago, a week ago he was on. this is huge. >> hewed when bill o'reilly was facing allegations, not two euros for harvey weinstein. granted colbert and jimmy kimmel have tweeted negative wide stream comments but the subject has been having trouble making it into the model. "snl" prepared a joke and then cut it out. finally we should note lisa bloom, who made a career of going after alleged sexual predators is now being attacked from social media for defending
one. even her mom, gloria allred was critical. bloom has since resigned from representing harvey weinstein. >> martha: pretty amazing. we talked about that on friday night. thank you very much. here with more, former prosecutor, welcome, could you have your domain. as far as "snl" goes, they poke fun at almost everybody and being edgy and provocative and going places where most people won't go is what they do, so why did they shy away from taking on one of their own? >> are not buying explanation that they did the jokes before a studio audience, they fell flat because harvey weinstein is a new york guy. the guy got fired for the company that has his name on it. his brother fired him. he could have found something per week and up to, same thing with the late-night comedians. they basically built their brands this year -- and president trump and republicans and somehow they didn't see fit to touch this. come up very different story
when it involves fox news. >> martha: weigh in on this part of the story? the sort of double standard for how this is covered. either it's reprehensible behavior, no matter what your political ideology has or who is supportive of your industry, or not. if that doesn't seem to be happening from hollywood. >> right. with the "snl" thing, clearly the image of impropriety is there. you make fun of all the major issues in this when you left out so it really looks bad. their job is also to make it funny and apparently it wasn't. i can buy into that just as easily. he is also not donald trump, to possibly analogize him to trump isn't necessarily fair. weinstein isn't as well-known so i can buy meka's explanation. >> martha: the explanation was that it was too new york and people didn't get it donald trump us from new york too! >> the joke wasn't funny. they cut a lot of stuff, it just
wasn't funny. >> martha: what do you think? >> look, this thing just screams double standard. everyone knows who harvey weinstein's. >> martha: everybody does. everyone knows shakespeare in love, good will hunting, there's a million ways that you could make it understandable to people who might not know who harvey weinstein is, who they are talking about. in terms of the legal side of this, let me stay with you for a moment, fired by his own company, pushed up for breaking their own code. thoughts? >> that was the right thing to do from every perspective but here's the problem, my biggest problem with this is what happened? most of us know, eight lawsuits were settled, three decades of abuse allegations, but we were told just last week i accept responsibility, i've angered a lot of people, i've heard a lot of people and i'm going to go get therapy. we also heard don't believe everything you read, with
"the new york times" put out there is false, defamatory and we are going to sue. which one is a? pick one so we know where you're going with this. >> martha: lisa bloom, who everybody is very familiar with, one of the lead attorneys against bill o'reilly and against many people out there who these accusations, stood up for harvey weinstein, was tutoring him to teach them how not to be a dinosaur and now her own mother said that she would defend the people who were accusing harvey weinstein even if her daughter was involved. she has changed her mind. >> i spoke to lisa bloom today and she says one thing "new york times" published was flat-out false, it was a lie, the notion that she was suggesting putting out pictures of some of the women accusing harvey weinstein in friendly encounters with him. she was just think those pictures are out there, the media have them, they are going to be out there. as far as the larger point and you mention what traits mentioned about the democrats, hillary clinton, barack obama, he held fund-raisers for them, haven't heard a word and it
really reinforces the point that some people just get a pass if they are part of the sort of liberal hollywood movie backslapping culture. >> martha: double standard, thank you very much gentlemen, good to see you tonight. coming up next, columbus day comes to a close, tension surrounding the holiday and what it symbolizes them to a head. we will hear from both sides of that debate next. ♪ liberty mutual saved us almost eight hundred dollars when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey. oh. that's my robe. is it? you could save seven hundred eighty two dollars when liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance.
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>> martha: today is columbus day, he used to mean a parade and a day off from school but now many are wondering if today was maybe the last one. are we saying goodbye to columbus? and hello to indigenous peoples day? from boston to chicago to l.a. christopher columbus conjures up been toppled, splattered with blood like that one, vandalized as people object to the explorers treatment of indigenous people of her hundred years ago. the latest in the long way of cultural battle in the history and it complicates the history as we observe. fox news political analyst and richard fowler, a nationally syndicated talk show host and fox news contributor, welcome to both of you. are we going to say goodbye to columbus? >> certainly not. i think it's important that we must know the entire history
when it comes to christopher columbus. i definitely get that in here in l.a. they chose the name today, indigenous people day, so that's pretty interesting. what i must say, when it comes to the defacing of the statures, which is american history, we have to be honest about that, i see this is another opportunity for people to continue on the momentum of charlottesville where they are taking down statures all over the country. it's illegal, against the law, they shouldn't do that. in 2016 there were about 718 statues and monuments of the confederacy and since charlottesville there have been dozens of local towns that have removed those things illegally. i'm thinking that this is more some of the groups that want to take the law in their own hand and destroy public property. >> martha: in new york they have 24/7 surveillance, they have to dedicate police officers to protecting columbus circle, a huge circle in new york city,
tremendously huge statue, there it is in the middle of it. i'm wondering why they don't just put a candle on it and if anybody touches that they should be arrested for defacing public property. you can't go down the street breaking windows in manhattan and you can't write down the statue. how is this a logical way to go about doing this? >> it isn't a logical way. i have for the violence against these type of statures. i think it's important to separate this for the fight over the civil war statures because when christopher columbus came to the new world, so they called it, there was already people here. he really didn't discover much because there were indigenous folks already living here who were already discovering the land. we can find middle ground. whether we like it or not. in salt lake city utah they actually celebrate columbus day and indigenous people date where the people, the native americans came together with the city council and said let's celebrate both, there are those who want to celebrate the heritage of christopher columbus. there are actually those that
want to celebrate indigenous people day. >> martha: executed spaniards because they mistreated the native americans. it was really the american and the english really who gave the indians the most violence and pushback. columbus was basically here on a religious mission. it became complicated obviously but if you like sometimes we want to make a repository for anger into a person and i think we need to take a step back and look at the history. >> christopher columbus, he was said to be an individual who would deliver christianity throughout parts that didn't know christianity so that's one part of the history we don't normally hear. what we see now more than ever this people really taking the law into their own hands. it's no longer going to the legal process to get things don done, it's like hey we hate trump so we are going to do whatever it takes to discredit trump or whatever people that agree with trump think. i think that's where it's come
from, there's anger everywhere and i won't say the president isn't at fault for some of the things, but certainly not all. >> martha: final thought? >> i think this indigenous people movement goes barbie on president trump and this is a movement 20 or 30 years in the making same christopher columbus came to the country, people would argue, he brought smallpox, scholars that argue he sort of brought over because he came first, the europeans came after and did horrible things to the indigenous people here but i think with the indigenous folks are saying is we discovered this land first and we deserve a day too. >> martha: we will be right back with more. the only bed tn both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. you can even see how well you're sleeping and make adjustments. does your bed do that? the most amazing part is they start at $699. that's $200 off our queen c2 mattress. and free home delivery on select beds only during our fall sale. ends monday.
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>> martha: will leverage met with this quote from explorer as he set up on a mission for queen isabella from spain. 1492 from what he described as the indies. "i assure your highness is that these lands are the most fertile, temperate, level and beautiful countries in the world." indeed he was right. he was in the caribbean at the time but at the arrest of the americas did turn out to be beautiful as well, historians
say that the interactions with the native people was "benign" and that he did not seek to push them out. that is our story tonight. we will see see you back here tomorrow night for more at 7:00 p.m. tucker carlson is up next. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ." the left has finally found the only immigrant in history who had no right to come to america. the only one who didn't improve the place by his presence, his name, christopher columbus. his crime? violating the sovereignty of the people who lived here already. plus he was the wrong ethnicity. try making that argument about any other immigrant to america and see how long you keep your job. but whatever, happy columbus day anyway, enjoy it while you can. her grandchildren won't even know it existed. progressives had dla