we always, always, always come back. always. see you then. >> kimberly: i'm kimberly guilfoyle with juan williams, jesse watters, dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five" ." a big show for you tonight. more breaking news on the anthem controversy. the commissioner of the nfl facing the press today on his decision to how to settle the firestorm following a two day meeting with players and owners. you are going to hear from roger goodell. attorney general jeff sessions back on the hot seat in the senate, fielding questions on the firing of james comey. the trump campaign's contact with russia, and more. exchanges with democrats on the
judiciary committee. the attorney general started out defending president trump's decision to oust his fbi director, tying it to comey's mishandling of the clinton email investigation. >> i don't think it's been fully understood the significance of the error mr. comey made on the clinton matter. i don't think i've heard of a situation in which a major case in which the department of justice prosecutors were involved in an investigation that the investigative agency announces the closure of the investigation. he said he thought he did the right thing and would do it again. we were concerned he reaffirmed he would do it again. i think that was our basis that called for a fresh start at the fbi. >> kimberly: sessions rebuffed requests from democrats like dianne feinstein to detail his private conversations with the
president on comey. >> what exactly did president trump tell you was his reason for firing director comey? did the president ever mentioned to you his concern about lifting the cloud on the russian investigation? >> senator feinstein, that calls for a communication i've had with the president. and i believe it remains confidential. >> but you don't deny there was a communication. >> i do not confirm or deny the existence of any communication between the president that i considered to be confidential. >> kimberly: welcome back, greg gutfeld. we will go to you. >> greg: thank you. talk about a hot seat. i am only slightly sick. i get nothing out of these hearings, absolutely nothing. you know how it's going to go. they keep asking the same questions.
they are trying to find the bombshell. it's like a political version of the carnival dunk tank. they are trying to hit sessions and knock him down. then you know it's going nowhere. they are all grandstanding because a lot of them are either going to run for reelection. the hearing is often their audition. it's like "america's got talent" except without talent. as for comey, he's like a state capital. all over the map. >> kimberly: that was certainly worth a two day weight. >> greg: i try. i don't even know who you are. i think there are two of you. >> kimberly: lucky you. dana, what is your take away from house sessions did. do you think he was well prepared for it? >> dana: this was a general oversight hearing. all the cabinet secretaries that served in the executive branch
will eventually have to show up and go through the motions really because there's no answers given. they are not going to be able to out-attorney general of the attorney general. he was a member of the senate. all of his answers were practiced in a way but also he was super careful. one of the things he kept doing when they were asking about russia and in that piece with dianne feinstein he was suggesting there's executive privilege on conversations between him and the president. that is true, but executive privilege has not been involved by the president on this. that's why you saw the senators getting frustrated and you didn't get a lot out of it. the one thing i think he does do in this hearing is he continues to do something that's quite brave for the executive branch to do which is to say for example on daca, you know what. it was illegally done, so now we are asking congress to fix it. we are going to faithfully execute the law but you have to pass the law.
you can't do this with the executive branch. to knock yourself out. happens over and over again, on health care as well. i think there is nothing out of this that's a headline tomorrow. that's a win. >> kimberly: jesse, what did you make of it in terms of the questioning of the panel, of jeff sessions, and do you think he is pleased the president with his responses? >> jesse: i'm sure president trump is very pleased. i thought the best part of the hearing was when the senator accidentally spilled dr pepper on ted cruz. for me, that was a highlight. the rest of it was groundhog da groundhog day. i think they did part two. the only thing i came out of it was democrats still have no agenda. they are still obsessed with russia. they are like 9/11 truther's.
it reaffirmed the fact that comey hatched and is -- an escape plan for hillary clinton. when lynch had the meeting with slick willie, he let tillery skate. then said he would do it all over again if you have the chance. then when he got canned, he illegally leaked. comey didn't come out looking too good this time. the only other thing that i think kind of leaked out of this hearing today which was very, very interesting. the obama fbi new that crooked russians were funneling dirty money and bribing american energy officials and funneling money to the clinton foundation right before hillary clinton's state department approved the uranium deal. she signed off on the deal. holder signed off on the deal. justice department under obama had a smoking gun, sat on it, didn't do anything.
you know who was leading the investigation of the crooked uranium deal? comey and mueller. when senator grassley asked about it, sessions said we are not going to comment on any ongoing investigation which leads me to believe the justice department might actually be investigating dirty money flowing into the clinton foundation. >> kimberly: aha. juan. do you concur? >> juan: if it's true, they can look into it. i don't know if it's anything of substance. the question is what happens. we will find out. what interested me today was a number of exchanges. i thought the exchange with al franken was just hilarious. he's going back and forth. >> kimberly: can i play it for you? let's play more from sessions' testimony. juan wants to hear it. here is his fiery exchange with senator al franken. because the goalpost has been moved. first it was "i did not have medications with russians."
which was not true. then it was "i never met with any russians to discuss any political campaign." now it's "i did not discuss interference in the campaign." >> i conducted no improper discussions with russians at any time regarding a campaign or any other item facing this country. mr. chairman, i don't have to sit in here and listen until -- >> you are the one -- >> without having a chance to respond. give me a break. the lead-in to your question was very, very troubling. >> kimberly: obviously some contention and tough moments between them here. >> juan: that was interesting because that's the way i feel sitting here some days. i don't have to listen to this. >> kimberly: but you do, for an hour. >> juan: it was interesting
because i think the heart and soul of it was you have the senators treating the attorney general as if he is a target of interest in the russia investigation. of course, he's recused himself and angered president trump who, by the way, continues to say where is the justice department in terms of looking into comey. he wants more action from the justice department. today he is tweeting about it. then you get a situation where pat leahy follows up on franken. it's like tag team wrestling. senator leahy is like, have you met with robert miller, the special counsel? he says maybe you should ask mueller, not me. he says no, i'm asking you. i'm asking you. senator blumenthal of connecticut gets involved and finally we understand there's been no contact even with regard to setting up a meeting between mueller and sessions. it's this kind of back-and-forth that leads to a question from
senator amy klobuchar of minnesota who says is it possible president trump could issue preemptive pardons for people who are targeted by the special counsel? and he says, sessions is like, well, it's broad authority. but if that's where we are going, that's really curious. i mean, sessions is saying yes, maybe he will pardon everybody. i don't know. >> kimberly: you thought that was a towel. that line of questioning, maybe they had heard it. something that could come to fruition. >> juan: that's what the democrats are worried about. >> greg: all i can think is the only thing more boring than this whole meeting is having it rehashed by juan. >> juan: you know it's even worse, greg? >> jesse: i thought the amy klobuchar reference was fantastic. >> greg: you are like cliff's notes. >> juan: a lot of this happened in june in front of
senate intelligence. this is the first time it's before judiciary. >> kimberly: dana saying you are a reporter. that's why you do your tick-toc tick-tock. >> juan: benefiting from knowing what happened. see five it's very dramatic. >> dana: i think it's possible the democrats were going on and on about russia because they were trying to get president trump to get mad at attorney general sessions again and to spin it because they benefit when it looks like the administration is in chaos. i don't think that will happen today but that's possible. i also think the democrats missed a real opportunity to be able to put a different set of news with the attorney general on the front burner. one would've been marijuana laws and how he's deciding to prosecute those. and dealing with the states that have legalized marijuana and the federal government hasn't. there's a lot to be set there. and there is so much that could be asked about on criminal justice reform when there is bipartisan support in the house
and senate. isn't necessarily support by attorney general sessions but there might be with president trump and they could've figured out a way to drive a wedge. instead they did the same hearing they did three months ago. >> jesse: all the democrats in the senate watching, don't listen to dana. keep focusing on russia. you are doing a great job. >> greg: is msnbc going to cover this russian stuff with hillary? fair and balanced. no, that's us. >> kimberly: we are going to cover it. president trump's pick for drugs are withdrew from consideration. tom moreno is coming forward to tell his side of the story. plus the nfl anthem protest announcement coming up. ♪ hungry eyes ♪ one look at you and i can't disguise ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪
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he may have helped fuel the crisis as unfair. he says he's proud of a 2016 drug bill he helped get passed without opposition. president obama signed into law. attorney general jeff sessions also addressed the crisis today on capitol hill. >> we are in the midst of it the deadliest drug epidemic this country has ever seen. we've seen nothing like it. our availability of drugs, lower prices, increased purity along with a deadly substance fentanyl that resulted in climbing death tolls across the country. there can be no doubt, colleagues, we need much stricter accountability in the manufacture and prescribing and distribution of addictive opioids. >> jesse: "60 minutes" did a bang up job with this piece because it looks like it might ignite a little change in washington. do you agree? >> dana: possibly.
it's interesting that marino is coming out with the defense when "60 minutes" said they asked for him to respond and didn't get anything. now it's wednesday. so the "60 minutes" piece was previewed saturday, airs sunday. "washington post" article on sunday and monday. he withdraws is the name and now he wants to defend himself. there might be more to defend. not sure he's just commenting on the communications of it. the president is going to sign the national emergency for the opiate crisis next week. that's what he said. i do think there is something to be said for this question. does the country need a drug czar? a lot of people for a long time instead actually that's a position we don't need anymore because it can be handled by the justice department. the attorney general was saying today that there are lots of different laws but the law is not going to be able to solve all of this. i don't know exactly how the emergency plan is going to work and all the different resources that will be brought to bear.
if you have for example 1,000 people a day treated in emergency rooms for this problem, it's a huge deal. >> jesse: it is a huge deal. got failed a lot of companies ur investigation. looks like attorney general 's have issued subpoenas. what do you think about these pharmaceutical companies? >> greg: it is easy to blame them. it's not often true. i'm always suspicious of the whistle-blower aspect on "60 minutes" because you find out that whistle-blower isn't really a whistle-blower. pharmaceutical companies, distribution companies met with the d.a. to provide data on rogue doctors and pharmacies. the dea didn't really want to work with them. people want to blame summative for this because they are either running for office or they are running scared. what company wants their product
to kill their consumers? logically they don't. it's the easiest bogeyman. it absolves everybody from a practical solution. the practical solution with the drugs is the product is externally effective and it helps millions and millions of people just the way firearms help millions and millions of people. in the way automobiles help millions and millions of people. those three things incur a lot of debt. 60,000. 30,000. 40,000. you try to figure out how do you solve it? look at the people driving, look at the people doing drugs. which people are addicted? which people aren't? how are they using it? you don't have to restrict the drug but diluted and monitored. that's not that happen. the worst thing you can do is draconian measures. they are going to hurt people that need these drugs. we are going to sit there and have a stupid reaction. we lost the illegal drug war and i were going to lose the legal drug war because we are freaking
out about something that's going to help millions of people. i don't understand. what was wrong with a bill that marino offered? what was wrong with that? >> jesse: i think they said it made it harder to crack down on these shipments to small towns of opioids. you have the town population 400 in a mining community that get sent a million pills. that seems like a lot. >> kimberly: it removes restrictions. there was no meter to do it. it was like all go. >> greg: i don't think it was all go. >> kimberly: that was the point of the bill. whether or not that's the truth. now who knows. what was he told? what is he know three days later in terms of information. let's hear his explanation as the story developed. what i believe is attorney general jeff sessions taking it very seriously. i think the president is as wel well.
probably likely to appoint another drug czar. christie was there and i'm sure he would love the job because he doesn't really have another job going. he's also passionate about it. >> jesse: president trump in a unique position because he doesn't really need a lot of donations from the pharmaceutical industry like maybe other politicians would. do you think he's positioned himself or he can lead the charge against it? >> juan: ideally he would be the one because what you see is a lot of it isn't poor, rural america that's being devastated. places like senator manchin was talking about in west virginia they got swamped by this unbelievable number of opioids for a small community. let me say i am very curious about the story for a number of reasons. if you are just looking at the surface, guess what. marino got $100,000 in donations from some of these distributors
and drugstores. chief of staff becomes the chief lobbyist for the chain drugstores. today, listen to this. all. all of a sudden, you have senator orrin hatch of utah and senator sheldon whitehouse, democrat of rhode island sang this story is baloney. they say what they are about is making sure americans, and this fits in with what greg was saying, have the ability to access drugs they need, especially experiment a-type drugs. i don't think there's any getting away from the damage being done by the opioid crisis at this moment and i don't find it defensible. >> greg: we are taking the easy way out. we go after the capitalist angle. it's the pharmacies. are the distributors supposed to go to walgreens or a doctor's office and ask why they are prescribing more? no one wants to be blamed for this. >> juan: do you think it might be marketing? they say to doctors, we will reward you for pushing this on your patients?
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>> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is alive. >> al qaeda is on the path to defeat ad on adults, bin laden is dead. my opponent and his running mate are new to foreign policy. they want to take us back to an era of blustering and blundering that cost america so dearly. after all, you don't call russia our number one enemy. not al qaeda. russia. unless you are still stuck in a cold war mind frame. >> greg: that did not age well. should you care if donald trump blows his own horn? i will take a win led by a blowhard over a failure led by a thoughtful academic. for the media, it is always trump's words and not deeds. you must remember when isis sprang from. the first beheading, evil. nothing we had ever seen before.
our commander in charm dismissed them, and they flourished. they graduated diversity. now they are nearly gone and only because we return to a simple truth: annihilation trumps analysis. all this matters in another context. north korea. it's been only trump was gone china's attention on this. it's been only trump who has drawn a redline that few doubt. and so as with isis, it's only trump who has hope of success here. negotiation without leverage isn't negotiation. it's blather. blather got us a nuclear north korea. there are some problems impervious to blather. let the media blather on. this is a street fight on planet earth avenue. ask yourself who would you rather square off against? a a president who promised to
take on isis and does. how can you deny the differences in approach? >> dana: you really can't. i think there are probably some obama administration people who would say we put this in motion in october of 2016 and so therefore we deserve the credit. this is what they say about the economy as well. president trump is using the threat or the actual action of military force in order to make diplomacy more effective. that is the goal. it makes some people feel uncomfortable. i do think it's a moment to celebrate. there's not much time to celebrate. behind this is the vacuum. one of the things that brought people together to fight isis was that we have these different coalitions working together. now they are starting to turn on each other. what's our diplomatic goal from there after the military threat worked? >> greg: terrorists are like
the devil's doritos. we keep eating them and they will keep making more. >> kimberly: don't give doritos a bad name. they're tasty. i feel a food court coming on. we talked about this yesterday as well but the bottom line is president trump does deserve credit for his accomplishments in terms of really responding and listening to the military, listening to the people in the field, on the ground, and actually putting in motion, giving them the ability to run their play which is this is how we want to defeat them. this is what's needed. we need to returned the rules of engagement to what they were before and be strategic. not just rhetoric. actually get it done. people were criticizing president trump and saying where is his plan? where are the specifics? how is he going to get it done? he is saying he's going to crush them but guess what, in fact, he has. the actions, instead of
telegraphing what you're going to do and putting it in place has proved to be much more beneficial and effective. >> greg: the other thing is the way he talked about it. he talked about the wall. that had an effect on the mules business. coyotes? mules are drugs. coyotes are people. >> kimberly: coyotes writing mules. >> greg: his language had an effect on isis before perhaps the bombs did. >> jesse: perhaps. i don't mind when politicians take credit for success. it's when they point fingers at failure. everybody does that. trump has been saying the stock market record highs, all his responsibility. when it crashes, i'm sure he'll be pointing fingers. then you have obama, i killed bin laden but then isis crept up and it is the cia's fault. fine. he ran on knocking the hell
out of isis. he can accomplish a lot when congress is not involved. if congress was involved, they would probably be controlling the entire middle east. when obama came out and said we don't have a strategy and they are jv. the media said you know what, the rise of isis, that is bush's fault. when he took a week approach to the war there was a stalemate, the media said great job, president obama. then he sends boots on the ground. the media is silent. trump says he's going to wipe them off the face of the earth. the media calls him naive and a warmonger. then trump actually wiped them off the face of iraq and the media hasn't said anything. >> greg: juan, i saw you nodding in agreement with everything jesse said. >> juan: imsa the parts i disagree with all of you about g different. he essentially continued obama's
strategy. let me point out that when obama said we are going to go into mosul and support the kurdish forces, guess who opposed it? donald trump. he comes in and says i have a secret plan. i have secret plan. i'm going to get rid of vices. secret plan. his secret plan was following obama. >> jesse: isn't bush's fault isis took over a third of iraq. >> kimberly: you are following. >> juan: obama had a strategy. trump continued it. where credit is due to president trump is that president trump was willing to go and not with additional forces so much as additional firepower from above that wiped out these places. sponsored a lot of immigration flight we are now concerned
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understanding teams have indicated they will discipline their own players for not standing will not discipline that. >> we didn't discuss it. >> dana: when asked if he spoke to president trump, he said this. >> what we are trying to do is stay out of politics. >> have you communicated with president trump? >> i have not. >> dana: the president shared his thoughts. "the nfl has decided that it will not force players to stand for the playing of our national >> kimberly: i think president trump after he's done being president is going to be commissioner of the nfl. they tried to massage this little bit with the public perception. having meetings about meetings to try to work it out. they're going to have to run out the clock on this. they are going to have to try to find a way to get through the rest of the season. people not airing the anthem.
i don't know. they could offer to maybe kneel during the coin toss if they want to do that. i don't know. pick another spot. >> juan: i was impressed by goodale. he said he wanted to communicate to the players that the nfl and the advertisers really care about what they are talking about which is social injustice and the relationships between police and the black community. he said they are going to do something about it and basically put himself in a position where he said the nfl is not here, he said, to get involved with politics. donald trump continues to use this to divide the country. he tweeted today that it was an active total disrespect for our great country for roger goodell not to impose punishment on players. >> jesse: i think the kneelers have divided the country and i think the country supports the president on this issue. the nfl is like the u.n. they have a lot of meetings but nothing ever gets accomplished.
i am afraid they have criticized goodell too much. i will have to say he has botched this. they should have come down on kaepernick last year from the jump. it would have solved these problems. everything this guy touches has not turned out well. the ray rice beating in that elevator situation. everything -- >> dana: touchdown dancing in the end zone seems pretty tame. >> jesse: let them dance. >> juan: can i quickly say. >> dana: i have to get out in 30 seconds. >> greg: the protest is only catching on with people who are scared of dismissing it. they are afraid of being seen as racist or whatever. or insensitive to social injustice. tell me the inference between social justice and injustice. you can't. i listen to the professor walter
williams. juan, you know him well. he says you have to focus on the reality, not showboating. less than 13% of homicides in chicago are cleared. that means they are the only ones that are solved. the other ones go unsolved. that's what should be focusing on. that's what the players should be focusing on. 25% of all homicides in chicago, baltimore, washington, d.c. you have to think about. it's all about symbolic gestures. it's not about anything in reality. it's not about head injuries, murder, corruption, steroids. it's about adults turning themselves into children and they are worried about belonging or upsetting their peers. identity politics, where ever infects, it rots. that's what you're saying. you're going to see this wherever it happens. it's going to rot from the core inside. >> dana: the best symbolic gesture is standing for the national anthem. we have to run, juan.
>> juan: a student body at cliffside park high school in new jersey has orchestrated a walkout over comments made by a teacher demanding consider class "speak american." >> they are not fighting for your right to speak spanish. they are fighting for your right to speak american. [all speaking] >> juan: teenagers waved flags from puerto rico, brazil, the dominican republic on the steps of the high school in protest. >> kimberly: you feel like there are more and more of the stories every day. now everyone's become a reporter with the phone. students are reporting on teachers. teachers reporting on students. faculty, et cetera. i find -- we find one of these
stories every day. the point is to try to dig behind and find out exactly what happened. i believe it is "speak english." i'm sure she will regret the choice of words. >> juan: you think she regrets it? >> kimberly: i think so. look what happened. i don't think she's happy with the outcome. >> juan: i don't know. the school board says they are meeting on it but they won't tell us what they are deciding. i read an editorial that said she was wrong but she should not be fired. she overreacted. >> kimberly: she probably didn't want the controversy. >> juan: over half the students in this school are in fact people who speak spanish at home. they said they were discussing a baseball game. what do you think? >> jesse: i think the teacher might need to go back to school to learn how to speak english. i don't know what "speak american" means. it's a new jersey public school. she's a sub apparently. maybe she needs to brush up on her english. i don't mind of students, if they are from a hispanic background speak spanish.
they are having a conversation about a baseball game, who cares. it sounds like gossip. maybe they shouldn't be speaking during the teacher's lecture. during the lesson. but if they are having a side comment in spanish, their native language or if they are bilingual. being bilingual is good. doesn't matter to me. i think they are taking it too far with the walkouts on the flag. it's not like these civil rights issue of their time. maybe looking for an excuse to get out of the next class. but i think the students are right. they shouldn't be criticized for that. >> juan: dana, i remember when president trump said to jeb bush he should speak english. in this country, be respectful. is this along the same lines? >> dana: this is an issue that goes back. i remember this is one of the debate topics when i was in high school. this is not new. i do think school boards and principles should stand behind their teachers. if they have a problem with it, people can have a conversation.
i also don't think students should be encouraged to walk out if they disagree with something. sit down and argue about it and do it respectfully and you will succeed. >> juan: greg, one of the student said as he was walking out "you are being racist. i know how to speak english." >> greg: i think they were speaking in spanish, whispering in spanish during class. three things wrong with this. i don't care who was right or wrong. you walk out of class, you should be suspended. that's an excuse to skip class. number two, when a principal asks an assembly or gets an assembly and asks students what he should do, he's a pathetic principal. you don't ask students what to do. you are the principal. we should have an american language. it should be based on the trump vocabulary and merle haggard lyrics. everybody should know it because people love our culture. let's decide to have an american language. it will unite all of us. esperanto was the earth
language. let's have an american language. >> kimberly: how fascinating. >> greg: it is fascinating. it's right. a bunch of babies. >> juan: i think canada would like to have an official language. "one more thing" up next. >> greg: true. growing up, we were german. we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna.
brian kilmeade had his wonderful book party. "new york times" best-selling author and his latest book "andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans." coming out officially at bookstores october 24. be sure to look for that, getting rave reviews. we all sauntered over there yesterday. kennedy took the snapshot. it was a lot of fun. getting support from the colleagues. kill mead and hannity together and ainsley pretty a lot of fun. happy and proud of him. you, greg. >> greg: all right. i hate these people. you know who i hate? the people who write up the instructions for medical devices. i've been sick for three or four days. i got this thing. advair.
i've been using it. you press this thing and then you put it to your mouth. i've been doing it for three days and nothing is happening and i realized i have not been putting it over the mouth hole. i have been sucked took out sucking in at the handle. i was supposed to do it over here. for three days, i've been not taking my medicine and getting sicker and sicker because you can't do good instructions. you could have pointed at this thing and say put your mouth there, you moron. i hate these people. >> dana: just when you think your boss has stepped it up, you got a new coffee pot or something. microsoft will outdo you every time. they have new tree houses where you can have meetings. 13 feet off the ground. they have ceilings, skylights. >> greg: that is insulting to the trees. we have your dead friends here. >> kimberly: wow.
>> greg: building a tree house in a tree says here are the corpses of your friends. >> kimberly: take another hit of that medicine. jesse. >> jesse: florida woman found a excellent activity to do with her chicken. >> greg: what the cluck? >> jesse: she has paddle boarding with her chicken in the keys and it's relaxing. >> kimberly: he said i don't know if i can pull this off. >> juan: firefighters trying to gain control of the california wildfires they continue to blaze. over 200,000 acres burned. 100,000 people fleeing. you can see a woman and her pony in the backseat. stardust is safe and waiting out the fire. she said that car will never smell the same again.
>> kimberly: set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is next. >> bret: president trump sense mixed signals about a plan to keep obamacare on life support and denies what are being called insensitive remarks to the widow of a fallen soldie. a judge says americans like you are not qualified to decide public health policy. this is "special report" ." good evening. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. considerable confusion in the capital tonight about just where president trump stands on a bipartisan senate proposal that would keep obamacare health exchanges going for the time being. yesterday the president signaled support. now not so much. the